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A Flatpack or Snap could be a solution.  These formats are becoming universal
installers.

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--- Comment #30 from Hans Deragon  ---
At least, could the website http://www.libreoffice.org point users of major
Linux distribution on how to get the latest version on their distribution,
without resorting to the terminal?

For instance, for Ubuntu users, a link to the Ubuntu PPA and nice, grandma
compatible list of instructions on how to get the latest version?

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--- Comment #29 from V Stuart Foote  ---
+1 on the WONTFIX as not worth dev effort to try to unify an installer--and
most distros provide their own packaging as they see fit. 

Ubuntu has PPA option, and otherwise DEB or RPM TDF build packaging as noted.

And for the hardcore, source is available to build.

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--- Comment #28 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
Though i'm in favour of its implementation, i dont see any libreoffice or linux
distribution devs bothering with implementing this as most linux users get
libreoffice from their distro and with the availability of snap, flatpak, and
appimage versions of libreoffice, users will be able to easy install/run
libreoffice without a tradition windows-like GUI installer.

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--- Comment #27 from MarjaE  ---
(In reply to Jean-Baptiste Faure from comment #20)
> I disagree with wasting resources to design a GUI installer for Linux. 
> 
> If the user is not an advanced user, he should rely on the version provided
> by its distribution. If this version is too old, he should upgrade its
> distribution or learn the means provided by its distribution to follow the
> most recent version of LibreOffice (ad-hoc ppa in Ubuntu for example).

And this is one reason I had to stop using Linux. I used Ubuntu 11.04, in
Classic, and restoring and widening scrollbars. I couldn't go back to 10.10 lts
because it didn't support the kernel patch for the Alps touchpad on my
computer. I didn't go forward to 11.10 because of reports that it went further
in disabling scrollbars. I think Shuttleworth had commented that "everyone" can
use scrollwheels and gestures, so no one needs scrollbars any more. (Well, I am
not everyone, and I use special scrolling software now but would like wider
scrollbars too.)

It's probably better for different distros to work out how to make a common
installer for multiple distros.

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--- Comment #26 from Bastián Díaz  ---
I think here Flatpak help solve the problem. Gnome Software offer native
support for Flatpak packages in the next stable release
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/ftp-release-list/2016-May/msg00089.html. It is
likely that other software stores offer support for Flatpak in the future.

Another solution is to provide a portable version of LibreOffice. This issue is
discussed here: Bug 97269

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--- Comment #25 from Dan Dascalescu  ---
I'm an advanced enough user to mess with dpkg and install gdebi-core in hopes
of solving the dependency hell, but I'm still stuck with a borked installation.
Details at https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100284

Point is, please think of users who just don't have the time or knowledge to
mess with command-line installations, and provide either an easy install script
in the .deb archive, or a graphical installer.

I have some knowledge, definitely not the time, and want the 5.2.0 version
because it solves a compatibility problem with wildcards
(https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.2#Support_wildcards_to_be_compatible_with_XLS.2FXLSX_and_with_ODF_1.2).
I've wasted over two hours by now trying to get 5.2 to run.

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--- Comment #19 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to Michael Stahl from comment #14)
 by the way, installing any number of different versions of the RPM
 packages is already possible, i've got about 100 of them on my
 build box, just use the bundled install script, it works even
 on dpkg based systems...

Would be good to bundle the install script with the DEB zip file if it works on
dpkg systems.

The problem ultimately comes down to how linux distributions handle updating
packages and even with a GUI installer, it wont solve all the problems that
users feel that it will solve, which is why we encourage users to find suitable
means provided by their distribution to update LibreOffice (e.g. using PPA for
Ubuntu and its derivatives). An example of what the GUI installer wont be able
to fix when comparing it to a updated repo or PPA is that when an update comes
a long, a user who used the GUI installer while have to go to the website to
get the latest version, while a user on an updated repo or PPA can open up
synaptic or their update manager and easily update.

We should likely include the necessary instructions on how a linux user can get
the latest updated versions through their distro on the libreoffice download
page, similar to how Wine does it ( https://www.winehq.org/download/ ).

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--- Comment #21 from Michael Stahl mst...@redhat.com ---
(In reply to Yousuf (Jay) Philips from comment #19)
 Would be good to bundle the install script with the DEB zip file if it works
 on dpkg systems.

i'm afraid you are missing the point - it is possible to install
the *RPM* packages into an arbitrary directory as non-root on a DEB-based
system, and the install script *only* works with RPM packages.

i do not know if it is possible to write a similar script for DEB packages,
nobody has tried it yet, you are welcome to give it a try.

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--- Comment #22 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
@JBF - this is not at all how we judge enhancements. I don't think we should
waste our time is not a valid argument for closing an enhancement request -
maybe some volunteer thinks this isn't a waste of time at all...we're not
paying anyone so it's not wasting anyone's time (because things are taken by
choice not dictated).

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--- Comment #23 from Jean-Baptiste Faure jbfa...@libreoffice.org ---
(In reply to Joel Madero from comment #22)
 @JBF - this is not at all how we judge enhancements. I don't think we
 should waste our time is not a valid argument for closing an enhancement
 request - maybe some volunteer thinks this isn't a waste of time at
 all...we're not paying anyone so it's not wasting anyone's time (because
 things are taken by choice not dictated).

I think you don't take into account the time spent by reviewers, QA testers and
translators that is required by a new development.

Best regards. JBF

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--- Comment #20 from Jean-Baptiste Faure jbfa...@libreoffice.org ---
I disagree with wasting resources to design a GUI installer for Linux. 

If the user is not an advanced user, he should rely on the version provided by
its distribution. If this version is too old, he should upgrade its
distribution or learn the means provided by its distribution to follow the most
recent version of LibreOffice (ad-hoc ppa in Ubuntu for example).

If the user is an advanced user, he will not find any gain using a GUI to do
what he certainly already does with a script (== only one command). I build LO
several times a day in release configuration and each time I make a standard
installation, I only need to type a command like sudo ./install_LO5. It is
far easier than using a GUI because in my script I make 4 installations,
LibreOffice, fr localization, fr help and en-us help. How many clicks to do the
same in a GUI?

If the user is not an advanced user but want to make QA-test, I think that this
user need to become an advanced user and be able to repair its LibreOffice
installation and even its system. For him, command line installation is an
easier task than losing time with a GUI.


Best regards. JBF

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--- Comment #17 from tommy27 ba...@quipo.it ---
is this bug still valid with up to date LibO releases?

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Still valid.

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--- Comment #12 from Maxim Monastirsky momonas...@gmail.com ---
*** Bug 81911 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #13 from Björn Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com ---
For Ubuntu, there is a GUI to install LibreOffice, namely Ubuntu software
center. Fedora (and all other distros also targeting endusers) have something
comparable. And as others noted Ubuntu has very up-to-date versions of
LibreOffice in the PPAs. So for Ubuntu at least, this is a non-issue and I
fully trust Davids Comment 4 on the situation for Fedora.

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--- Comment #14 from Michael Stahl mst...@redhat.com ---
by the way, installing any number of different versions of the RPM
packages is already possible, i've got about 100 of them on my
build box, just use the bundled install script, it works even
on dpkg based systems...

the reason why LO has so many individual RPM/DEB packages is to
appease the obsessive-compulsive there must not be any package
that depends on GTK+ / Qt / Java / Python / [whatever else my religion
disallows] installed on my system, and i don't *need* Draw so
want to save 5MB by not installing that crowd.

perhaps we should just stop distributing binary builds for Linux from TDF,
and just rely on downstream distributions to take care of that?

basically upstream distribution is always going to suck, until
something like http://lwn.net/Articles/562138/ is widely
available - but since Linux distros currently can't agree
even on which low level package manager to use, it's going
to take some years...

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--- Comment #15 from Björn Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com ---
(In reply to comment #14)
 perhaps we should just stop distributing binary builds for Linux from TDF,
 and just rely on downstream distributions to take care of that?

Well, distributing no builds at all wouldnt be too good for QA and early
testing. But yes, using these builds in production isnt a wise choice in
general.

FWIW, I would suggest to just make one binary Linux tarball available upstream.
That would allow testing, but wouldnt suggest to promise proper packaging (e.g.
with dependency resolution etc.) as RPMs/DEBs do. Also proper packaging cant be
provided generically (distro independant) and sanely anyway, as every attempt
at that so far shows.

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--- Comment #16 from Björn Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com ---
(In reply to comment #5)
 Current version of LibreOffice for Ubuntu 12.04 LTS is LibreOffice 3.5.7.2. 
 Ubuntu LTS 12.04 will be supported until April 2017.

FWIW, this Ubuntu support includes LibreOffice. Note though, that for most
issues this means that you have to have a support contract (either at
Ubuntu/Canonical or another certified provider:
http://www.documentfoundation.org/certification/developers/ ). If you dont want
that thanks to open source and early releases, you have another option (both at
Ubuntu and at LibreOffice -- or any other open source project): You can
download alpha and beta releases or daily builds and make sure you report your
issues early. As you are not paying for support, you have no assurance that the
issue will be fixed, but reporting early certainly will improve your chances.

 And even so, the version of LO for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS is probably now frozen
 and not being updated anymore.

Wrong. LibreOffice is updated timely on Ubuntu 14.04. If you are overeager to
get updates, I suggest to enable the LibreOffice PPA, which will give you
updates even quicker.

 If I report bugs about LibreOffice on this version, the first thing LO
 people tell me is to try it on the latest version; bug reports from 3.5.7.2
 are not accepted.  Also, even if they were, there is no mean to test the bug
 fix since the repository version of LO is not updated.

As suggested above: All certified LibreOffice providers can provide you with
custom fixes and long term support.

recommended further reading:
http://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2014/05/20/train-stops/
http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21942/client-1308-rolling-libreoffice/

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--- Comment #11 from Hans Deragon h...@deragon.biz ---
Here are some requirements I believe should apply to all OS:

1) Easy GUI to install the application.  Must pass the computer neophyte test.
2) Allow the installation of multiple version of LibreOffice.

#2 is harder.  I could open a new bug report for that one.

As for #1, there is no need to try to support all Linux distributions.  Only
the main ones are required as most distributions are derivatives of the main
ones, which are Suse, Fedora and Debian.  Ubuntu, as a derivative of Debian,
should work if a Debian solution is provided.  Else, since this is still the #1
Desktop distribution and many others famous distribution derive from it
(including Mint), if the Debian solution does not work on Ubuntu, then work
should be done for a working solution on Ubuntu.

For Debian base distribution, would a single meta .deb file do the job?  Click
on the .deb and the OS will show you a nice GUI to install it (at least, that
is what happens on Ubuntu).  The .deb adds the PPA if not already there and
then calls apt-get to another meta .deb which contains all the dependencies
required.

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--- Comment #7 from Foss f...@openmailbox.org ---
While I understand what Joel and others say, I tend to agree with Hans saying
that software should be easily manageable via GUI. That is not the case for
Linux. Frm the little experience I've had with Ubuntu, software management is
very confusing. While devs and experienced linux geeks might laugh at that, it
isn't so laughable for unexperienced users.

Why linux doesn't take this more serious (as many distributions are looking for
wider adoption) is a mystery to me. But since this is getting very much OT:

Is this solvable for LO to have easy GUI install / uninstall options on Linx?
If not, I tend to set this to NOTOURBUG. Because maybe it really is for the
distros to provide better software managing options, that the average user can
better grasp.

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--- Comment #8 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
Well the problem is there are little tweaks in many of the distros packages
that we can't just push to everyone. For instance, the Ubuntu ppa version of
LibreOffice is in fact different from the debian package that you get from
libreoffice.org - and we generally recommend using the ppa because of this.

I really think it's just the consequence of choice - when we have hundreds of
distros running their own setup, really hard to make a standardized GUI. I'll
poke one more person before closing as NOTOURBUG

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--- Comment #9 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
FWIW - QA has been pretty active in trying to figure out an upgrade mechanism
inside of LibreOffice but fixing the current one will take quite a bit of
developer time. Our thoughts (which is perhaps enough for this enhancement
request):

Inside of the software itself you select what branch of LibreOffice you want
to be on - Fresh/Stable/Pre-Release, then you set that you either want to
manually install it or have it auto install, then when release happens, you're
either notified (if you select manual) or it automatically upgrades if you
select auto.

If this is acceptable, we're already trying to determine if it's possible and
to find a developer to handle it (which is hard to do as they are volunteers
and this is no small task).

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--- Comment #10 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
I personally wish that a simple installation GUI was available, as LibO has a
GUI installation on windows and mac. The main problem is that libreoffice comes
with a large number of DEB files that all have to be installed, while with
other software, you download a single DEB file and you run it and it opens in a
GUI installer app (ubuntu software center or gdebi), then you click install and
walla, its done. Hopefully ubuntu's click packages might solve this issue, when
its integrate into the system.

I think having one is a real positive for LibO, as it shows that LibO cares
enough about their linux users to make it easy for them to install it, the same
care that LibO shows to their windows and mac users. Imagine how many windows
or mac users would install it if they had to go to the commandline and install
LibO that way. This would also reduce the amount of FUD about linux, that its
not an OS for beginners, as sometime or another, you'll have to go to the
terminal, something which is quite scary for many users. LibO should be aiming
to remove all barriers to users attempting to install it, especially when it
can be achieved quite easily (referring to DEB installations).

The funniest thing that i found out during my terminal installation attempts in
linux is that there is a bash installation script in the RPM installer file.

I think PPAs do solve some of the issue, but of course that is limited to only
Ubuntu and its derivatives. The other issue with PPAs is that there still inst
a fresh and stable PPA, so users can always stay in that particular branch. I
personally have stable (4.1) through the PPA on my Linux Mint 13 (ubuntu 12.04)
pc, and fresh (4.2) installed from LibO's website. And any time there is a new
version of fresh, i run this batch script from within thunar or caja to
simplify the installation

---

#!/bin/bash

echo my_super_user_password | sudo -S dpkg -i DEBS/*.deb
rm -rf DEBS
zenity --info --text=DEBs Installed

---

Of course this script is primitive as it solves my specific needs, but the RPM
included bash script is quite extensive with error checking, prompts, etc. I
think having atleast a bash script is a step in the right direction, but think
a simple python GUI installation script could easily be created. I think a
simple uninstallation script should also be created, as when you upgrade from
one stable or fresh branch to other (e.g. 4.1 to 4.2), uninstalling the old
version would be useful.

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--- Comment #6 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
For Ubuntu 12.04 you can easily install the ppa which will keep you up to date

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--- Comment #4 from David Tardon dtar...@redhat.com ---
(In reply to comment #2)
 Packages from their distributions are always obsolete, never up to date.  

Citation needed. E.g., Fedora normally has bugfix releases available in updates
repository a few days after official release (and sometimes on the same day).
And really impatient users can update from testing repository.

 So
 users are forced to install the version provided by the website.

Forced? Really? That sounds almost like the old version stopped working when
there is a new release... And I am pretty sure that does not happen...

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--- Comment #5 from Hans Deragon h...@deragon.biz ---
Current version of LibreOffice for Ubuntu 12.04 LTS is LibreOffice 3.5.7.2. 
Ubuntu LTS 12.04 will be supported until April 2017.

And no, people should not be forced to upgrade their OS to get a more recent
version of their desktop application.  And even so, the version of LO for
Ubuntu 14.04 LTS is probably now frozen and not being updated anymore.

If I report bugs about LibreOffice on this version, the first thing LO people
tell me is to try it on the latest version; bug reports from 3.5.7.2 are not
accepted.  Also, even if they were, there is no mean to test the bug fix since
the repository version of LO is not updated.

Given that exporting to MS format is crucial for many, having the latest
version is a must for many to ensure that the least formating is lost during
the conversion.  That is my reason why I have to get the latest version of LO.

Why do Windows and Mac, proprietary OS, get so easy installer from the website,
but not Linux, an ally of LibreOffice in the open source movement?  Think of
the non computer savy user who just wants the latest version.

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--- Comment #1 from David Tardon dtar...@redhat.com ---
 This is bad.  It should be much easier than that and should be all GUI based
 for all OSs.

IMHO the users who want easy installation should use the packages provided by
their distribution.

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--- Comment #2 from Hans Deragon h...@deragon.biz ---
Packages from their distributions are always obsolete, never up to date.  So
users are forced to install the version provided by the website.

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--- Comment #3 from Urmas davian...@gmail.com ---
...because it so-o damned hard to add an installation script as the grown-up
software does.

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