[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 87684] UI: Calc sheet tabs and horizontal scroll bar are now wasting twice the space

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Yousuf Philips (jay)  changed:

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113113
[Bug 113113] [META] Sheet tabs bar bugs and enhancements
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 87684] UI: Calc sheet tabs and horizontal scroll bar are now wasting twice the space

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--- Comment #26 from helplibreoff...@mailcatch.com ---
Just to propose an elegant solution (from a UX point of view, not a programming
point of view): have Calc use separate lines for scrollbars and tabs when the
user has the scrollbars set to be very thin, and have Calc use the same
horizontal line for scrollbars and tabs when the scrollbars are thick and
juicy.  No options needed; screen real estate is automatically maximized.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 87684] UI: Calc sheet tabs and horizontal scroll bar are now wasting twice the space

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--- Comment #27 from Tomaz Vajngerl qui...@gmail.com ---
I don't think we want tabs to depend on scrollbar in any way - tab height
should be constant regardless of the scrollbar height. Also what is considered
thin and what thick scrollbar?

In LO 4.5 it is possible to turn the old inline tab and scrollbar view back
(via expert settings), but the tabs are still the same size. I myself prefer
inline tabs and scrollbar now in all scenarios.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 87684] UI: Calc sheet tabs and horizontal scroll bar are now wasting twice the space

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V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords|regression  |
Summary|UI regression: Calc sheet   |UI: Calc sheet tabs and
   |tabs and horizontal scroll  |horizontal scroll bar are
   |bar are now wasting twice   |now wasting twice the space
   |the space   |

--- Comment #17 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu ---
(In reply to Andy from comment #16)
 To those who showed some irritation towards my comments, implying that it
 was too late to raise the issue now, I am soory for that but I would like
 only to point out that as a user I am not involved in the engineering
 discussions that take place about every detail (nor I could be, I have
 another job), so that very often I am only aware of a change that has been
 discussed for a long time when it reaches RC stage (that's normally the
 moment when I update my install of LO).

Frankly, that is a very selfish position. With a few exceptions, work on
LibreOffice is done by unpaid volunteers--and even those who are paid to work
on it often have other responsibilities to their employers.

With minimal effort or investment of your time, you could easily stay current
and relevant to development of the project. The Design and UX-advise mail lists
and project Wikis are freely available. Nabble--
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-f1639495.html even
consolidates the ML for you.

Daily builds containing the latest commits are readily available--
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/
With clear instructions for installing in parallel so as not to impact your
full release install --
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel

That said, while Tomaž has provided a working configuration, given your comment
11, you will not now find it to your liking. It requires using Tools -
Advanced: Expert Configuration and locating the TabbarInlineWithScrollbar
property.

Also, at present it is only applied to the Scroolbar/Tabs on Calc, it does not
impact Impress. Work on bug 73077 will resolve that.

@Foss -- the new default was designed and implemented as such to permit scroll
bars to integrate better by OS and DE. It was never a regression.

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--- Comment #18 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu ---
My final comment on this:

Open Calc and move to the Tools - Options - Calc - View panel (panel
selection is stateful -- it will be there next launch).

Then issue the following from the keyboard whenever you need to toggle

alt+T+O+Zenter

Aren't accelerators wonderful ;-)

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--- Comment #19 from Cor Nouws c...@nouenoff.nl ---
Hi Stuart,

(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #17)

 Also, at present it is only applied to the Scroolbar/Tabs on Calc, it does
 not impact Impress. Work on bug 73077 will resolve that.

From the description there it doesn't look as it is related. But let's see ;)

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--- Comment #22 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu ---
I did, on Windows 7 sp1, 64-bit en-US with 
Version: 4.5.0.0.alpha0+
Build ID: 90d8f4fca566e46171b260ee3aadc655871c92ba
TinderBox: Win-x86@39, Branch:master, Time: 2015-01-10_00:27:09
Locale: en_US

Tomaž's TabbarInlineWithScrollbar Expert configuration property does not
affect Draw's horizontal scrollbar and horizontal tabs (Layout, Controls,
Dimension lines).

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--- Comment #24 from Andy silva...@katamail.com ---
Dear Stuart,
I can easily agree that I - as generally everybody - could do more to be
involved in LO development. And I was not implying that I was the only
volunteer dealing with paid professionals, of course.
However, I must say that I would find it impossible, at least at the moment, to
find more time to spare to do this. 
As a academic dealing with statistics and data management, I teach all my
courses with LO software; make all exams with it; have pressed and succeeded in
having it installed everywhere in PC labs and classroom all over the 3000
students Campus, so that all users - teachers and students alike - have always
the option to choose it; I advice and counsel anybody interested in LO on any
issue regarding it and ts adoption.

Doing this is not without costs, since promoting LO and especially Calc in such
a strong and pervasive way, requires a substantial effort - consider that every
time an update is applied, I have to check if any problem has surfaced that
affects the work I am doing in various courses, and I must do it quickly and
thoroughly, both to report the bug ASAP, and to try and find some workaround
that is simple and does not cause students to protest it is too complicated or
absurd. 

Sometimes this process turns out to be a big stress test!
This fall, for example, the equation editor was missing all lowercase greek
letters: you can imagine how difficult this was for us. Or just a couple of
weeks later, we had to deal with a significant change in the way the user has
to interact with matrix formulas, again something that I use everyday in
classrooms, which was undocumented and quite dubious in its rationale.
Right now I have two other critical (for the work we do) Calc bugs that I have
to live with in classes everyday, still to be solved: copy and paste of matrix
formulas in multiple cells does not work anymore; and formula input cells
visualization that has partially disappeared, when the same cell is involved
more than once in a formula,
Sorry for not being able to do more, but that's it. thanks anyway

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--- Comment #20 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu ---
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #19)
 From the description there it doesn't look as it is related. But let's see ;)

Design and implementation to address fdo#73077 is related only in the sense
that it was raised here as an example of a widget consuming vertical space in
the UI. It is not linked to its horizontal scrollbar. From OOo it has always
been positioned at top as a horizontal tab bar, but there is no reason it could
not be converted to a vertical tab bar, and positioned right or left--or even
placed as content panel on the Sidebar.

Your note on comment 13 kind of suggested differently, wanted to clarify that
nothing has been done that affects Impress, and that there has never has been
linkage between its tabs and horizontal scrollbar.

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--- Comment #25 from Andy silva...@katamail.com ---
Just to explain: I knew the issue was present for Draw also, but I did not
mention it because work on data in calc is to me usually more vertically
oriented that that in Draw and I am not a drawing specialist, so I was not
sure to be able to speak on that with competence.

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--- Comment #21 from Cor Nouws c...@nouenoff.nl ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #20)

 Your note on comment 13 kind of suggested differently, wanted to clarify
 that nothing has been done that affects Impress, and that there has never
 has been linkage between its tabs and horizontal scrollbar.

I expect that the code for Calc is also used in Draw. Take a look ;)

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--- Comment #23 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu ---
@Tomaž,

Might we impose on you to go have a look at feasibility of adding a similar
expert configuration property to duplicate for Draw, what was done for Calc
with its TabbarInlineWithScrollbar?

Samuel's and your work in September on LayerTabBar and viewshell for bug 36772
in 
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=20800ebc7ef05637134c3915798e13a272663341

Thanks!

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