Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Weekly Report (W42-2016)
Thank you Xisco, for this nice human-readable report! A real advancement for LibO-QA, I believe :) Nino On 24.10.2016 09:34, Xisco Fauli wrote: What have happened in QA in the last week? [...] ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] bug #75554
Hi, just had a glance at #75554 - could not reproduce the hanging, but kind of a slow rendering of some of the elements in the given test document (they look like ranges or graphic elements without content - or whatever those white areas are). Therefore it seems to take rather long for LibO for initial rendering/computing the whole document (or whatever LibO does when loading a file). During this rendering phase, LibO appears a bit impaired (slow/no reaction to keystrokes). Total document length stucks at 68 pages for half a minute or more, then jumps to 70, stays again for a while, and finally reaches 150 after several minutes (estimated). Caution: I tested with 4422 and master from 2015-03-31_09:12:20 (b024e36ddb3b53163d7a01f6f7b5aadb7a858cd9) both Locale: de_DE *BUT* with OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=none because of bug # 86636 [1]. So my results are not representative and I won't report them, but rather thought to discuss them here. Nino [1] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86636 ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Advanced Triaging - Tutorials?
On 12.04.2015 21:25, Joel Madero wrote: There is a bug that needs some advanced QA work on it and I'm curious if anyone wants to take a stab at it and try to document the process (including screenshots and/or screen captures). https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75554 Comment 6 describes what Michael needs. AFAICS there are three major techniques addressed: 1) bibisecting the problem 2) reducing the document 3) stack tracing with debugging symbols Techniques 1 + 3 are described in detail in the wiki: 1) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Bibisect 3) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/How_to_debug and also for Windows: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/How_to_get_a_backtrace_with_WinDbg Technique 2, reducing the document, should be easy to do IMHO (though tedious for big/complex documents): just remove all the objects from the document one by one and at each step look if the problematic behavior is still reproducible. As a first test, you can copy all contents from the problematic document into a new document to exclude that there is some (old/inherited) flaw in the document structure. Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] DLP Projects as products?
On 13.02.2015 02:02, Robinson Tryon wrote: (I made the words BIGGER) https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/enter_bug.cgi nice :) The only I'd change is the wording of the titles: - The projects you are looking for: + The projects you are probably looking for: - These are not the projects you are looking for: + There are also several other projects hosted here: Regards, Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] New bugzilla instance: Version information
Hi, browsing through Thommy's UNCO bug list I felt the wish to know which was the - First (oldest) known version containing the bug - Last (youngest) version tested still containing the bug. So my question is: is it possible - does it make sense - or is it already planned to have these two version informations as separate fields in the bug table? (didn't find it in the wiki) Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Fwd: LibreOffice underline problem
Hi Sooraj, Am 24.10.2014 um 11:01 schrieb sooraj kenoth: While using the LibreOffice, I have some problems with the the underline. In Malayalam we have a lot of stacked characters. In the current way of drawing underline, it strikes the stacked letters. It is annoying and it kills the legibility. Please find the screen-shot here https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=102053 I have reported the bug here. But they didn't accept. I don't know what to do. https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=80724 IMHO, here you are right and Joel is wrong: The described behavior is obviously unwanted and therefore clearly *is* a bug. Though in this case it might be better characterized as an enhancement request as seemingly nobody did think about a solution until now and therefore the requirement make underlining independant from font has not been considered yet. (At least this is what I am thinking when looking at the problem). So I would change it to NEW and Enhancement Request and you should try to get it fixed. But be patient: probably a completely new underline functionality must be implemented, which looks like a rather complex task to me - but I'm not a dev, maybe there exist simpler solutions/workarounds. my2¢ Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice Has Been Reviewed at ListOfFreeware
The search on your website does not work. Regards, Nino Am 16.10.2014 um 07:44 schrieb Ubaid: Hello, I am Ubaid from www.listoffreeware.com http://www.listoffreeware.com/. This is a popular tech blog that lists best free software out there. I am sending this mail to let you know that we recently reviewed LibreOffice on our website here: http://listoffreeware.com/best-free-software-convert-powerpoint-pdf/ Congrats! If you want to flaunt this review on your website, feel free to use the badge that I have attached with this email, or you can also use the code I have added below: a href=http://listoffreeware.com/best-free-software-convert-powerpoint-pdf/; title=9 Best Free Software To Convert PowerPoint To PDFimg border=0 src=_http://listoffreeware.com/wp-content/uploads/Reviewed_At_ListOfFreeware.png http://listoffreeware.com/wp-content/uploads/Reviewed_At_ListOfFreeware.png_//a Feel free to get back to me with any questions. Have Fun, Ubaid Collaboration Manager w: http://www.listoffreeware.com/ http://www.listoffreeware.com/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] request for more boilerplate responses to bug report
Am 10.09.2014 um 02:55 schrieb Terrence Enger: I have noticed that Urmas has been abruptly closing bug reports that are in languages other than English. What an arrogant behavior :-( How about first putting them into NEEDINFO state and asking for translation here or in the l10n list? There were several localization bugs written in German I remember - they were perfectly handled by the NL-Team in their native language without any need to translate them back and forth. This might be true for other bug reports too as there are still many people in the world not speaking english. A NEEDSTRANSLATION keyword could also help if we could somehow report those bugs to an appropriate list (l10n would be my choice if people there agree but qa might even be better as most qa-interested NL-folks at least lurk here). just my2¢ Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] PT EN translation needed for bug report
Could please someone understanding Portuguese have a look at these bugs and translate them: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83681 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83673 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83629 Thanks, Nino (proof of concept, QA + l10n lists) ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] PT EN translation needed for bug report
I received a translation by PM and added it to the bugs. Though, the reports don't look very clear to me, therefore the whole action was of little value I fear. But perhaps now somebody of the QA experts is able to sort out what the reporters wanted to say. Nino Am 10.09.2014 um 18:26 schrieb Nino Novak: Could please someone understanding Portuguese have a look at these bugs and translate them: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83681 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83673 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83629 Thanks, Nino (proof of concept, QA + l10n lists) ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] bug 80220
Hello Christian, Am 26.06.2014 10:06, schrieb Christian Lohmaier: But again @whoeverstartsathread: use telling summaries, give a link to click on and a small abstract about what is all about (in this case: inserted date-field loses locale/langauge-property on document reload). It makes life so much easier for others... ups... you're so right... I'll do my very best :-) Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] bug 80220 (was: Are there any germans in the house)
Am 25.06.2014 08:47, schrieb Jay Philips: Hi All, I was going through bug 80220 and not able to reproduce it with the instructions provided bug the reporter mentions it effect writing english documents in a german system environment/localization. If someone could look at it, that would be great, as its the only unconfirmed bug left in writer since the 1st of may. I'm going to give it a try. Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] bug 80220
Am 25.06.2014 10:56, schrieb Nino Novak: Am 25.06.2014 08:47, schrieb Jay Philips: Hi All, I was going through bug 80220 and not able to reproduce it with the instructions provided bug the reporter mentions it effect writing english documents in a german system environment/localization. If someone could look at it, that would be great, as its the only unconfirmed bug left in writer since the 1st of may. I'm going to give it a try. done. well, in my case it was easy to reproduce, as I'm using the same localization and the report is rather well done. However, I cannot estimate the importance/implications as I rather seldom use writer myself. Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LIbreOffice 4.2.5 RC2 available
On 21.06.2014 11:56, Jay Philips wrote: I assume 4.2 cant become stable until 4.3 becomes fresh. :) which may be pragmatic but nevertheless sounds strange: it does not make 4.2.x more stable when 4.3.x is released. If the naming would follow quality criteria, like at least 95% of the reported bugs have been fixed or similar, it would sound more reliable, IMHO. Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice Bugzilla (migration) Proposal // Acronym
Am 10.11.2013 07:24, schrieb Tommy: On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 07:28:36 +0100, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote: Hiya, As mentioned at the QA Meeting, I've provided a first draft of the proposal to migrate from FDO to our own install of Bugzilla: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/LibreOffice_Bugzilla_Proposal very and complete overview regarding Abbreviation We need an abbreviation for the new bug tracker that we can use instead of FDO. Suggestions: lo (LO) - e.g. lo#12345 (The lower-case L is ambiguous...) libo bz - e.g. bz#12345 bgz I vote for libo lo makes me think about J.Lo :-) https://twitter.com/JLo my preference would be blo (acronym for bugs.libreoffice.org - if this is the correct URL for the new tracker) Regards, Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-users] Re: QA Triage Contest
Am 15.07.2013 19:18, schrieb Tom Davies: Errr, that graph is rather confusing me. It's good when it dips lower, right? Although could that be bad in some way? Does it mean less bugs being reported? That's correct, so ideally the chart should simultaneously show the # of bugs reported. Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Triage Contest
Am 11.07.2013 16:36, schrieb Joel Madero: Hi All, So as you all know the contest is over and it was a great success. Just under 25% of the bug count dropped but substantially more bugs were triaged as we kept up with the daily demand on top of tackling older bug reports. Joel, can we see the effect graphically? Cheers, Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] BSA Versions - Update
Am 27.06.2013 21:44, schrieb Bjoern Michaelsen: On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:57:44AM -0700, Joel Madero wrote: I have added Bjoern to this as he's the one who might be impacted most because of the Ubuntu issue. Can we maybe make the wording more explicit e.g. reached EOL at TDF(*)? 1) I'd even prefer a positive wording (3.5 Ubuntu or similar) - if something short + appropriate can be found. 2) just another thought: does it matter *why* we list the 3.5? Why not leaving it just 3.5 all versions like the other 3.x Versions? @ Robinson (quoting 27.06.2013, 22:04): Where do we want these bugs to end up? another consideration might be: Do we want offer a platform to a Joe Average bug reporter to report bugs against these versions? (Why?) My suggestion from a QA perspective: We should. At least we should try. If we get overwhelmed with NOTOURBUGs or FIXED in all other versions, we should reconsider. Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Release configuration QA builds for Windows from 4-1 branch
Am 30.05.2013 09:31, schrieb Fridrich Strba: ... we set a tinderbox ... Hi, where can I find these builds? Thanks, Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Cleaning up QA Nabble and Archive folders from Spam?
Am 13.05.2013 00:03, schrieb Thorsten Behrens: That's why we run it on fdo - such that you don't have to worry. ;) But in this case, IMHO we /have/ to worry a bit as there has been increasing spam impact in the last week or so. (For me personnaly it's even a bit more annoying as I'm reading the list via gmane/nntp where I cannot delete individual spam messages). So I'd tend to set the qa list to moderated as we obviously seem to have several moderators for the list. Of course, that would cause a certain delay in case of high frequency postings by (non-subscribed) devs in a heaty discussion. However, devs could be added to allowed senders list, so this problem could be reduced. At least, we could give it a try. My 2 cents Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Wiki pages cruft cleanup
Am 02.04.2013 11:45, schrieb Bjoern Michaelsen: Hi, I cleaned up: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA a big +1 Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Moztrap: Test case export?
Hi, is there an test case export feature from Moztrap? In what kind of database are the cases stored? I'm asking because I somehow feel the necessity to organize the cases according to my own preferences. Therefore I thought it would be fine to export them and experiment locally. With Moztrap filters it does not seem possible to get fine grained views as unfortunately I was not able to tell the filter to use AND as operand for the same criterion type (i.e. tag). It always seemed to use OR. So tags do not provide enough selection power for now. Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Page for BSA process in other languages
Am 21.03.2013 18:59, schrieb Sophie Gautier: This is a process, not intended for users of the BSA but dedicated to the NL QA teams and its organization, of course l10n of the page will follow so moving the page after will be more difficult. So I would like to follow the QA project rules here. IMO the Wiki is a bit messy as we did not care too much about content organisation in the beginning. Personally I'd prefer to have a hierarchically organized Page tree like there was in the ooowiki, with a clear hierarchy like QA QA/Tools QA/Tools/BSA ... Though, with the localized subpages feature (QA/xy...), it's a bit difficult to organize a content based page hierarchy. But we should try, at least IMHO. Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Moztrap rights
Thank you, Yifan. and as for your question, Am 21.03.2013 05:22, schrieb Yifan Jiang: In addition, take my question as from a curious mind, how come you need 3 different ids for different roles :) Actually the manager role will automatically cover all the permissions of Tester and Creater. Are they for the purpose of testing Moztrap itself? I always try to work with the lowest possible rights. I've just got used to do so since I've started to use linux a while ago. Kind regards, Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Manual testing: Litmus or Moztrap?
Hi Sophie, thanks for the quick answer :-) further remarks/explanations: Am 20.03.2013 14:46, schrieb Sophie Gautier: On 20/03/2013 14:09, Nino Novak wrote: Q1: Is it correct that Moztrap is ready and should be used for manual testing? Is Litmus definitively obsolete? (there are several links from the wiki to Litmus) Yes, the link to Moztrap on the wiki (ok, that was my most important question.) Q2: I did not find a localized UI in Moztrap - is there a possibility to localize it? We have a 2700 € budget from TDF for that, but not the Django dev yet, and I didn't have the time to progress on this, so any help is welcome :) Currently the handling of localization is not possible for UI and for the tests themselves is quite a mess if there is several languages (however we can begin with 2 or 3 languages to be able to improve and check the process even when the localization with be available). Moztrap is on my next step after the BSA :) ok, fine. Q3: Is it planned to support localized bug tags? What do you mean by bug tags? sorry, I meant test case tags, those little buttons which you can press for filtering test cases. ATM, the tags contain only the very basic categories (LibO components and p1-p4 test priorities), so they don't need localisation. But if we plan to have some more elaborated tags, it might be helpful to have them localized. Even more (*dream*) I'd really love to have a possibility to tag test cases with personal tags in order to create test case collections for my own specific purposes. Q4: What is tested automatically - and what needs to be tested manually? Is there a list of all automatic tests? or at least a rough concept or somesuch? The tests should be in git repo, the page on the wiki for Automated Tests is here https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Automated_Tests As I'm not a developer, I'm not familiar with git. Maybe someone knowledgable can extract the what is tested by this test info? Thanks, Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Moztrap rights
Hi Sophie (or whoever has Admin rights over Moztrap), long ago I created 3 users to test Moztrap, nnino nnino2 nnino3 But none of them seems to have Manager rights. Could you please re-assign rights to these users and grant them the following: nnino - Tester nnino2 - Creator nnino3 - Manager So I can try to do some constructive pieces of work. I don't know how far I will get - but thought I'll give it a try. Thanks :-) Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 10,000th Bug Report!
Am 08.10.2012 19:43 schrieb Joel Madero: I just randomly did a pull on FDO of all bugs reported under LibO and saw that we've hit the 10,000 (exactly) number. Sure? Isn't it just the maximum number of bugs bugzilla lets you export in a normal query? ;-) Nino AFAIR I counted ~14k Bugs a couple of days ago. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Statement draft (was: minutes of the LibreOffice QA call 2012-09-26 1300UTC)
Am 27.09.2012 00:13 schrieb Bjoern Michaelsen: - better mission statement for QA: proposals? - postponed Though postponed, I drafted a first proposal on [1]. Feel free to change it according to your *own* ideas, intentions goals, as it's up to every single QA activist to bring in his/her special attitude and motivation. In the end, the sum will make the difference :-) Nino [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Talk:QA ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Triage Project Update
Hi Joel, Am 04.09.2012 19:18 schrieb Joel Madero: I have done a complete update of the google document, this being said, if you named a sheet to your name, it's gone. Noel pointed out that a lot of the bugs on the sheet were already triaged so I just started from scratch. I'm still hoping the web team can help us move this away from google docs and get it automated a bit but for now, it is what it is. I'm not sure to understand what you want to have automated, could you elaborate just a little bit (or - if you have done so already - point me to the archived mail)? Thanks, Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Triage Project Update
Am 04.09.2012 21:52 schrieb Joel Madero: Basically it would be really nice to be able to group and assign bugs the way that the document does. I think bugs are much more manageable this way and we've seen a relative spike in QA triaging activity since starting the process this way. Ok, I see: it makes the process a bit more transparent/obvious. And thus is more pleasant and possibly invites more contributors. Not sure if you looked at the document but it's basically manual everything, I looked at it but could not see what is so special with it... I'll try to compare (please comment if you find this inadequate): I download FDO bugs to Calc, group them based on Component, can be done by a bugzilla query then manually copy and paste into groupings of no more than 50. (is this really that important? for crowdsourcing, it might suffice to do coordination by e-mail) It would be incredibly nice to have the list updated automatically based on FDO, group the bugs based on component and then group each of those to a max of 50 bugs per group. if it's a live query, it's current every time you run it If each group of 50 could then be assigned to a user it would be easy for members of QA to get involved with this project and get this back log taken care of. Ok, I don't know how to build such chunks of 50 bugs using a query - but - is it so important? Couldn't we use e.g. time periods (weeks or months) to group the bugs? Then the number would not be constant but who cares? I'm not sure if this is possible or incredibly time consuming (if it is, probably not worth it). I don't know either but wanted to understand what exactly is needed and if it's possible to find (slightly) different solutions which can be implemented more quickly (or are already existing but not thought of) It would be even better if we, as the QA team could do a custom group and then it could assign us bugs based on that. For instance, I'm a QA member and I want to do 20 bugs that are either Writer, Calc or Presentation, and I want the oldest bugs (in terms of those that have been left UNCONFIRMED for the longest period of time). It could then give me the list and allow me to assign myself to the group, and thus prevent other QA members from getting those bugs in their list when they do a custom search. There is a QA Contact field which has not been used extensively (at least according to my recent search). Could it be used for this purpose? (Rainer? Björn?) Sorry I felt like that was a bit of rambling, let me know if you need it clarified, I can hardly understand it myself ;) So let me be a bit of a devil's advocate, aka clarification helper :-) (I've been working in a project as QA helper years ago for several months, they used excel sheets, so I think I understand the need to master the bugs, and to make the processes transparent and obvious. And thus lower the entry barrier for noobs, too btw.) So my present guess would be: - asking for a web tool is ok but - if there's no better tools ATM, let's stay with google docs for the time coming - but let's also try to use bugzilla itself as much as possible - we have also the wiki, but I do not see much advantage of using it compared to a google spreadsheet as it does not support storing/handling structured data. But it's a web, so we can document all processes nicely and link the documents in the wiki. Regards, Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Disquieting Writer bug report -- has anybody ever faced such problems?
Hi Roman, Am 23.08.2012 13:13 schrieb Roman Eisele: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53898 Even if we ignore all of the reporter's (IMHO completely understandable) anger, this bug report is disquieting. At least it could deserve some sorting out what could be caused by bugs (real/UX) and what are mere features ,-) My question to all: has anybody ever seen such things in Writer? A little bit, yes. Especially when I'm tired and start to do something I never did before. Some automatisms drove me crazy. But fortunately I've learned pretty well to google for switching them off :-) Have you got an idea how to fix the reporter's problems? IMHO he deserves a good and very polite answer, but the most important thing is probably the question how to help him. It's in the first place a bug tracker, so helping him would be my second thought. My first thought would be to get him to give us more information. Therefore, my suggested answer is about: It would be extremely informative and valueable to have you here and look at what you are exactly doing. Software sometimes thinks too much and default behavior can be counter-intuitive and irritating. On the other hand, there is rather active development at present and thus bugs and regressions could have been introduced. Therefore it would be very nice if you could give a step by step explanation what you exactly intended to do, what you did, and what the (intended/unintended) outcome was of every step. So we can address them one by one. Thank you. Regards, Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] A little confused re: QA and help from users
Not really an answer but rather some related questions/thoughts: Am 19.06.2012 09:47, schrieb Marc Paré: Like the title says, I am a little confused over QA and help from users. Do people who are on this list participate in any QA? Don't know if I understand your question - I'd assume that people subscribed to this (libo-qa) list are particularly interested in doing QA work plus organizing it. For example, I usually download any LO Beta series on up. Is there anything that I could do to help with QA? Testing? I cannot do very long QA tests but even short tests? No sense in downloading the pre-releases and not helping out when I can. I'd assume that this is exactly what many people do: downloading a young version from time to time (or even regularly) and trying to perform some of their usual daily work with it. This might be called some kind of silent QA, because nobody ever learns about the results of these attempts. However - hopefully - they'll report back to a list or to bugzilla if they encounter any blockers or strange behavior (at least I do). My personal thought is that we should try to better coordinate such silent testing as it might be the case that some functions get tested thousandfold and others not at all. My hope is that with Litmus/Moztrap a more/better coordintated/systematic testing can be achieved. But I don't know what the progress is as I've not been following the list for quite a while now. Do we need more help from users specifically for QA on this list? It looks like the process is pretty much automated or am I wrong? This question shows that the available info about this part of the QA is still incomplete (or not visible enough): What exactly is tested autmatically - and what needs (additional) manual testing? However - personally I'd say that QA needs as many qualified people as possible, but that's not enough: the QA work needs better coordination/synchronization, too. Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Bug Lifecycle diagram (was: Re: minutes of the LibreOffice QA call 2012-05-04 14:00 UTC)
Hi, On 07.05.2012 20:47, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: Hi all, here are the minutes of the QA call on 2012-05-04 1400UTC. Thanks. bug wrangling (Rainer): - handling needinfo bugs Question: Do we have a bug lifecylce illustration? For not-so-trained people this can be of real help in understanding QA. I found a generic one at [1], but our friends at AOO do also have a nice one[2] on their QA web[3] which might be worth having a look at ;-) [1] http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/4.2/en/html/lifecycle.html [2] see PDF on http://www.openoffice.org/qa/ooQAReloaded/ooQA-IssueRules.html [3] http://www.openoffice.org/qa/ Regards, Nino - conclusion: more liberal use of assigned should be ok if in status NEEDINFO (only) AA - send a proposal for liberal assigned use in NEEDINFO to Rainer for review (Bjoern) - change version master to release branch on branch off? see: http://rrbd.wordpress.com/2012/05/03/how-can-we-allow-more-purposeful-queries-for-version-master/ AA - create a QA EasyHack Gather own bugzilla requirements (Bjoern) - create a wikipage with what we have so far and link to it (Rainer) community building/communication (Cor?) - the QA dashboard needs some love - we should identify top-priority action items after each call, those should be done ASAP/to the next call. The are marked AA+ in the minutes (Cor) AA+- blog about QA EasyHacks (Cor/Bjoern) AA+- blog about daily build changes/bugs/features from git log (Cor) - this should happen best once every 1-2 weeks - Rainer looking into this too - if git log messages are unparseable to mere mortals, dont hestitate to email the author about this, this should also encourage good commit messages (Bjoern) - this should also go out to the QA-List and social media - To grow the QA community and get more people to run and test master we should ask people to verify issues once they are marked fixed by dev AA - blog about bug verification (Bjoern) - the goal is not so much to supervise developer fixes, but the side effects like: - more people running master - more people getting involved/started with an easy task on QA - verification is positive/uplifting, while confirming bugs might be more demotivating bibisect for 3.5 release branch and 3.6 master (Bjoern): - no bibisect for 3.5 still (no urgent calls that it is needed yet) - there is a up-to-date 3.6 bibisect up until 2012-04-28 with more than 60 full libreoffice installs based on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS AA - also rebuild the old ~50 3.5 bibisect installs for the next update (Bjoern) - we should grow bibisect knowledge wide and far to get a stable pool of people who can mentor it Next call will be on 2012-05-18 1400UTC. Top priority action item as hinted to me by Cor. Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] voortgang issue 46250 Libre office 3.5.3
On Friday 04 May 2012, 15:42:00 Frank van Lier wrote: Dear all, I want too check the issue 46250 if it is by everybody, so it can help to solve the issue in 3.5.4??? Do you help me here to solve the issue by confirm the issue. Kind regards, Frank van Lier Frank, there's no point in confirming a confirmed issue. What's necessary in my eyes is giving evidence, i.e. describing Real Life situations, where it's nearly impossible to work around the bug, then pushing it to most annoying (37361) and hoping a dev can fix it and backport the fix to 3.5. My personal opinion: it IS annoying (but I don't need the function often, so I'm not the right person to engage with the bug). Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Glitch in fdo Bugzilla? (attachmend assigned to wrong account)
On Wednesday 25 April 2012, 15:37:43 dE . wrote: File a bug, but probably this's a upstream problem. done: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49139 Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.3 RC1 test builds available
Hi, On Tuesday 24 April 2012, 10:46:16 Petr Mladek wrote: klaus-jürgen weghorn ol píše v So 21. 04. 2012 v 10:49 +0200: Am 20.04.2012 12:44, schrieb Fridrich Strba: Builds are now being uploaded to a public (but non-mirrored - so don't spread news too widely!) place, as soon as they're available. Grab them here: The above paragraph explains why we do not spread the information too much. BTW - do you have actual numbers? How many downloads do we actually have and how many does the server allow maximally? And about how many bugs have been reported in the 24-h-period in the past? Thanks, Nino (just curious) ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bug Triage best practice: Change or not change assignee?
Hi Guys, can we have a decision in this matter? Do we/you need more information/ more time - or is it just different heart feelings? Shall we make an operational tradeoff by defining a test period of, say, one year? For me, the matter itself is not that important, I can arrange with both procedures, but I'd really like to test Bjoerns hypothesis of community empowerment ;-) So, please, for meritocratic reasons, Bjoern and Rainer, I believe it's up to you to decide. (Or is ESC or whatever tdf Board the right gremium? I don't know) Thanks, Nino PS - just one thing: (*) You should never think of QA as I, even if it sometimes feels that way: It will be a selffulfilling prophecy and hamper community growth. or - to say it positive: Think of QA as * qualified constructive feedback for the devs and * important contribution to enhance and sustain quality and thus acceptance of the software ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Glitch in fdo Bugzilla? (attachmend assigned to wrong account)
On Monday 23 April 2012, 12:38:40 Nino Novak wrote: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48329 another similar looking phenomenon: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48509 here, 2 times the same attachment upload in comments. Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] pls a look at issues 48333 and 48869
On Thursday 19 April 2012, 22:25:05 Cor Nouws wrote: Bug 48869 - Crash when dragging selected column to the left (edit) Can't ALT+drag a column under KDE as this combo moves the whole window by default. Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [TESTED] Re: 3.5.1 Online Update testing
On Friday 09 March 2012, 03:57:48 Pedro wrote: ol klaus-jürgen weghorn wrote Works now officially with RC2. It does indeed. But the Update message is still confusing... LibreOffice 3.5.1 RC2 is available. The installed version is LibreOffice 3.5.1. Why would someone who already has version 3.5.1 would want to update to an RC release? :) It should report 3.5.1.2 is available. No, it should do nothing - from the end user point of view. For a 3.5.1 instal it should only report when a 3.5.2 (final!) update is available. (So the test is not passed in my eyes) Or does the notifyer behave different in RCs? (If so, it's not an RC!) Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [TESTED] Re: 3.5.1 Online Update testing
Hi Christian, On Friday 09 March 2012, 15:17:26 Christian Lohmaier wrote: it is the server that makes the decision whether there is an update, not LibreOffice. LibreOffice just displays the server's response. ah, ok, I see! thanks for clarification ;-) Bye, Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA call 2012-03-09 15:00 UTC
On Wednesday 07 March 2012, 08:42:10 Nino Novak wrote: Some ideas/wishes/comments from an interested layman: just an additional thought: is there a possibility to define certain test paths? Mean, some kind of sophisticated test case which - if passed - contains a couple of simple test cases? Thus, result entry could be simplified a lot. E.g. if there is a testcase, print monthly expenses report from CSV data using data pilot, it would encompass opening a file, CSV import, data pilot function, data grouping, table printing. Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA call 2012-03-09 15:00 UTC
Hi Bjoern, all, On Wednesday 07 March 2012, 12:48:25 Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 08:42:10AM +0100, Nino Novak wrote: [test case tagging] Noted. Thanks :-) We will discuss that on the call. If time allows, fine. But on the call you should (IMHO) focus on strategic questions as identifying the actual QA bottlenecks :-) And of course, bringing all those thoughts from you, Cor and Yifan into an adequate coherence :-) [Bug Review Weeks] Go ahead and organize! Dont ask for permission to get started, just do and see what works. Wasn't meant as question just as idea sharing :-) [community test case gathering] ... Are you interested in contributing to this? (I am a bit hesitant - as my skills are not very prominent in this area. But my personal preference ATM is the Review Week. ) Such things should never be one-way, but an exchange: You write one test you care about and let others test it for you, in exchange for you testing the stuff that _others_ care about. If we could manage to put together a system that supports such mutual hand washing, it would be fine. But without, I'm a bit lost, how to organize this. OTOH, pure Test Case gathering could simply be started in the wiki. So I'd tend to start with gathering first and add mutuality later? Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA call 2012-03-09 15:00 UTC
Hi, On Wednesday 07 March 2012, 02:45:13 Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: I would like to set up a LibreOffice QA call to streamline our QA efforts. I propose to make our first call on: Great! Some ideas/wishes/comments from an interested layman: structured manual testing: - oneshot populating Ubuntu checkbox for LibreOffice 3.5? (Nicholas Skaggs) - syncing checkbox from litmus for LibreOffice 3.6 (Yifan Jiang) I'd like to add a typical requirement/wish from an occasional tester: - to have an easy way to set up an individual collection of test cases which can be reused (first idea: e.g. by tagging them), so that everybody sees, who is subscribed to a test case (and also on which platform). Thereby, manual release testing can be kind of self-coordinated without big effort. upstream bugwrangling: - 1000 NEEDINFO bugs, what can we do about it? (Rainer Bielefeld, Cor Nouws) - general bug stats (Rainer Bielefeld) idea/proposal from the German discuss list: to organize Bug Review Weeks (in contrast/addition to Bug Hunting Sessions) as community events, preferably in native languages and only later on international level, so the learning curve / barrier can be kept smooth. An additional (possibly somewhat crazy) idea: To gather test cases from the community by asking What functionality do *you* want to be tested? Provide a well-thought-out testcase for your personal most needed function (or most annoying regression ;-) . Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] test cases quality; was: Ubuntu/Canonical doing more manual testing for LibreOffice?
On Monday 05 March 2012, 10:41:06 Petr Mladek wrote: No, we already have a support for translating the test cases. I am sure that we will be able to do it even more cleanly in the future. Is it correct that the Litmus UI is not localized yet? (Is it localizable at all?) Is there (or will there be) a possibility to tag a test case by a tester? So that tests can be grouped deliberately? (I'm dreaming about an individual set of test cases which I'm sort of subscribed to: thus a great coverage could be achieved, if there are a few people and everybody subscribes to a different - individual - set). Thanks, Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Thread on QA done by l10n teams
On Friday 02 March 2012, 18:26:32 Sophie Gautier wrote in libo-l10n: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/msg04226.html Hi Sophie, all, I'm not subscribed to the l10n list, so I'm trying to answer here. Also, I don't know about others, I just can tell what I'm doing myself: - Are you doing manual tests on the builds? yes, if time allows on most of Beta and RC builds . using Litmus? No, just for lack of time. - Are you running other types of tests yes .which one? en passant silent testing :-) Means: I just install the release in parallel and try to use it as much as possible for my daily tasks. With critical documents, I work on a sandbox copy and replace the original later (only if all went smooth) That way, testing does not take much time (just installing the version and creating a testing copy each time I want to work on a critical document) but is very effective as I perform real tasks (and not artificial test cases) with real data (i.e. sometimes large old documents). BTW, nobody will notice this kind of testing (of course unless a problem or bug comes up). That's why I've suggested to implement some kind of simple logging ability into test builds but unfortunately, this seems to be too complicated for the devs. BTW, I'm doing functional testing only but as I use the localized (German) Version, I hope I will notice l10n problems, too (and have so in past). (I believe, that many many people do such personal silent testing without anybody knowing how many tests were performed on what platform and with which kind of documents) Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Relase_Criteria wiki page change request
On Thursday 16 February 2012, Petr Mladek wrote: Nino Novak píše v Čt 16. 02. 2012 v 02:01 +0100: [Transclusion] Sounds wonderful! I was not aware of such feature. oh, there are still many unused wiki features left ;-) For conveniance, I've attached a patch, hopefully it works ;-) I have done the changes. I hope that correctly ;-) Yepp, thanks, works fine :-) Anyway, feel free to do such changes yourself. If it works as you say, it is just a great improvement. There must have been a (cache?) problem with exactly this page as I was not allowed to edit it (always getting the browse source response only, telling me that my email has not been verified yet). Now I tried again and it finally worked :-) Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] bibisecting HowTo published on the wiki
Hi Bjoern, could you provide a md5sum of the tar package? I'm on slow internet and after downloading more than 7 hours I get nino@chef:~/liboqa/Material/bibisect tar --lzma -xf bibisect-3.5.tar.lzma lzma: (stdin): File format not recognized tar: Child returned status 1 tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now Is the size correct? nino@chef:~/liboqa/Material/bibisect l b* -rw--- 1 nino users 785268428 16. Feb 13:08 bibisect-3.5.tar.lzma Thanks, Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Relase_Criteria wiki page change request
Hi Petr,
could you please update the ReleasePlan wiki page[1] and add onlyinclude
tags around the table under Blocker Bug Nomination?
I'd like to transclude the table into the German translated page so that it
gets updated automatically there.
(I've just tried it with a test page so it has been proved to work)
For conveniance, I've attached a patch, hopefully it works ;-)
Thanks,
Nino
[1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Release_Criteria--- Release_Criteria.txt 2012-02-16 01:35:03.256719428 +0100
+++ Release_Criteria-modified.txt 2012-02-16 01:45:51.616725867 +0100
@@ -17,7 +17,7 @@
== Blocker Bug Nomination ==
-Set '''severity''': ''blocker'', add comment and dependency to the '''meta bug''':
+Set '''severity''': ''blocker'', add comment and dependency to the '''meta bug''':onlyinclude
{| width=100% class=wikitable border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2
|-
! Release Version !!Task Meta Bug !! Blocker bugs !! Most annoying bugs !! Remarks
@@ -70,7 +70,7 @@
|[https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDfield0-0-0=blockedproduct=LibreOfficequery_format=advancedtype0-0-0=anywordssubstrvalue0-0-0=6order=bug_severity%2Cpriority%2Cbug_idquery_based_on= annoying bugs] (**)
|
|}
-
+/onlyinclude
(*) Check also [https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_severity=blockerquery_format=advancedbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDproduct=LibreOffice all blocker bugs].
:
(**) Check also [https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?negate0=1keywords=regression%2C%20query_format=advancedkeywords_type=allwordslist_id=36720field0-0-0=blockedtype0-0-0=anywordssubstrvalue0-0-0=6%2037361%2035673resolution=---product=LibreOffice regressions not handled in most annoying bugs] and [https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20keywords_type=allwordslist_id=36698resolution=---query_format=advancedproduct=LibreOffice all regressions].
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] credits for people doing QA
Hi Cor, Am Samstag, 4. Februar 2012, 23:39:02 schrieb Cor Nouws: Today with my little QA presentation at FOSDEM, one person asked about how we give credits to people doing this work. Well, not structural/in a visible place, as far as I know. What about adding something here: http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/credits/ ? We need to have some rule of course, based on which people get mentioned. Suggestions remarks? Good question! (It's IMHO the question, how we measure meritocracy.) We have the commit count for devs, the edit count for wiki contributions, so what if we start with the number of reported bugs in a first approximation? (In my eyes, not only the count but also the value of a contribution should count, but how to define the value? So, the count should be a good start) Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] preparing QA talk for FOSDEM
Am Samstag, 28. Januar 2012, 14:14:15 schrieb Luc Castermans: Op 27-01-12 16:17, Cor Nouws schreef: Hi Nino, Nino Novak wrote (27-01-12 15:09) Personally I have the impression / concern that Quality is getting one of the main challenges of LibreOffice as it seems to decrease more and more I disagree with you. And it's not an answer to my serious question. Sorry about that. Seems you guys talk opinion wise. Could we have some facts ? No hard facts from my side, only feelings, impressions, concerns. I'm using LibO myself and watching mailing lists, so my feelings are simply based on what I experience and what I read in the lists. However, my wish to monitor bug-free usage comes exactly out of the desire to collect some (hard) facts. Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] preparing QA talk for FOSDEM
Am Freitag, 27. Januar 2012, 00:05:48 schrieb Cor Nouws: Ideas, things to add? Personally I have the impression / concern that Quality is getting one of the main challenges of LibreOffice as it seems to decrease more and more - and software acceptance to a good deal depends on quality (especially in corporate environments). So anything that /really/ raises quality is good ;-) My own ideas go into the direction of monitoring bug-free usage, e.g. by logging main user actions (module used, opening/closing files, menu path, toolbar icon klicks and so on) into a simple text file. But I really don't know if this is a good subject to talk about at FOSDEM. Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 3.5.0 QA ... from BHS 1 to BHS 2
Hi, please keep in mind that I'm by no means a QA expert, but sometimes I'm good in expressing thoughts and fears of ordinary people ;-) On Tuesday, January 10, 2012 09:58:48 AM Michael Meeks wrote: On Mon, 2012-01-09 at 16:20 +0100, Nino Novak wrote: ... So - I'd love to understand this desire for less frequent releases better :-) After all, we have tinderboxes churning out at least daily releases (in theory), perhaps several a day if we are lucky. I think, people simply need enough time as daily spare time window might be small: imagine about 2-3x weekly 1-2 hours, but often there's much less. So in good times they can install one release per week and test it for one or two 1-2 hours periods in the same week. That's it. As for the frequency: I for my part prefer to have a most-recent build for testing, so no - the release frequency should IMHO *not* decrease. But somehow I'd also like to have the feeling of having enough time to test in depth. Here a clearer prioriritization might be helpful. I don't know if it's important, but I just wanted to mention that I very rarely take the time to test a release according to a fixed testing plan (Litmus etc) but most often just try to do my usual office work on copies of my original documents in a sandbox (and if nothing suspicious happens, after 3-4 weeks those sandbox document copies become masters again and replace the original documents). And my impression is, that many people do this en passant testing and thereby discover problems or bugs. What is the concern about having new RC's ? is it that you think developers will not care about and/or test any bugs that appear in something one release-candidate old ? [ that seems unlikely if it is a serious bug ], or ? ... For /serious/ bugs, well, ok, but what if they are not-so-serious? Where's the threshold? And, to raise a different issue: People might well feel overwhelmed by the release frequency. Lost in release fusillades, so to speak. I personally have decided to concentrate on testing the most recent code line whenever possible. But many people still do not understand the release plan, and in addition do not know, how they can be (or make) sure that their test install will not interfere with their productive version. The QA-FAQ does not address this issue, you have to search for infos in the wiki... So in summary, it may be a little bit the Mohammed - mountain problem. Cor's activities are a good starting point and most appreciated :-) In the end, we have the common goal to make the software working as smoothly as possible. Fourth, which is more an open question, how the success of Release QA could be monitored intelligently. My (naive) wish would be to have usage numbers, let's say - how often a Release has been launched on which OS platform without failure We have some download statistics of those that can be extracted (I suspect), and we have the on-line update statistics too which may give some yard-stick for successful launch ;-) usually the app has to stay alive for a little while to do that request. (I'd appreciate if something like that could be implemented, but the effort should be kept low) - how often which module has been started - how many documents have been created/edited/viewed successfully - which particular functions have been called how often successfully These other phone-home things are more tricky, needing coding support, but it's of course a good idea to ensure good code coverage. Ideally - I'd like to reduce the burden on human QA though, so we're investing and encouraging (where we can) fast automated test that run during the compile: so you should never get a build that has pathaological failures [ assuming our test are complete enough ;-]. Hopefully that makes the process of QA more difficult rewarding ;-) but of course there is always room for lots of improvement, and some things are hard to test. All the above written does not relate to machine tests, only to manual tests. We should keep these two different approches well separated in discussion as they have different needs each one. For automated tests, you need skilled people. Manual testing can be done by Joe Average, at least in theory. One thing that is really nasty to test is the new header/footer/page-break stuff. I get intermittent leakage of page-breaks in documents (with several rendered on the screen); -but- while (after editing a document) I can reproduce them nicely, if I save re-load in another instance - I cannot ;-) so - there is a real need for some from a clean document reproduction steps for those issues - some of which may be races too ;-) help there much appreciated. (others have to step in here, as I didn't test header/footer much yet - except that I wondered that deleting header/footer cannot be undone :-( ) Nino ___ List Name
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA-Team Web page
Hi Rainer, Am Donnerstag, 5. Januar 2012, 15:22:41 schrieb Rainer Bielefeld: I started a new QA-Team Page [2] why didn't you just update the existing page? (just wondering - so we now have two pages, and nobody will know which is the actual one?) Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
