Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How to report double used and/or not working as expected mnemonics?
Hi Thomas, Thomas Hackert wrote (28-10-13 04:54) As far as I know, there are mnemonics that are added in the code and ones that are auto-generated. O.K. For the first ones, I would make an issue for those that are in the same menu or window combined. But how do I know, if they were added in the code or were auto- generated? Hmm, I think most default buttons work like that and part of the menu's But it can be seen in the source of course. Unless you know who is working on that area, then an issue may be superfluous? I have not the faintest idea, sorry ... :( Me neither most of the time. Thus just ask on irc or the list, I would say. (Also, since regular localisers are working in this erea too, there must be some among them that have experience, I would expect.) Cheers, Cor -- - Cor Nouws - http://nl.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How to report double used and/or not working as expected mnemonics?
Hello Cor, *, On Montag, 28. Oktober 2013 09:37 Cor Nouws wrote: Thomas Hackert wrote (28-10-13 04:54) [mnemonics auto-generated or added by code?] But how do I know, if they were added in the code or were auto- generated? Hmm, I think most default buttons work like that and part of the menu's But it can be seen in the source of course. But only, /if/ you can read the code ... ;) And I cannot, sorry ... :( Unless you know who is working on that area, then an issue may be superfluous? I have not the faintest idea, sorry ... :( Me neither most of the time. Thus just ask on irc or the list, I would say. O.K. Maybe someone else here on the list can tell me/us ... ;) (Also, since regular localisers are working in this erea too, there must be some among them that have experience, I would expect.) O.K. Thank you for your answer Thomas. -- NP: Soul in Sadness – Irritation ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How to report double used and/or not working as expected mnemonics?
Hi Thomas, *, Am 28.10.2013 05:13 schrieb Thomas Hackert thack...@nexgo.de: Good morning Cor, *, On Sonntag, 27. Oktober 2013 18:37 Cor Nouws wrote: Thomas Hackert wrote (18-10-13 10:10) […] Is there a possibility to report this as fast and easy as possible? Fastest one would be to skip the bug report and instead push a patch to gerrit. Should I open a new bug for every found one? No, that doesn't make sense. You would need to create a list of the menu items to decide what entry will get the most natural one and what entries get second choice or autogenerated one. From my POV it is also important to keep familiar keystrokes intact, so newly added items should get an automatically assigned one unless there is a reason not to. Finding the place in the source code is not different from finding bad mnemonics in a translation. Look up the entry in pootle and there you have the reference. Or grep in the sources. Search in opengrok might also be possible, but not sure whether you need to escape the mnemonic marker/whether it includes the character in the search index. Ciao Christian ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How to report double used and/or not working as expected mnemonics?
Hi Thomas, Le 28/10/2013 16:19, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Hi Thomas, *, Am 28.10.2013 05:13 schrieb Thomas Hackert thack...@nexgo.de: Good morning Cor, *, On Sonntag, 27. Oktober 2013 18:37 Cor Nouws wrote: Thomas Hackert wrote (18-10-13 10:10) […] Is there a possibility to report this as fast and easy as possible? Fastest one would be to skip the bug report and instead push a patch to gerrit. Should I open a new bug for every found one? No, that doesn't make sense. You would need to create a list of the menu items to decide what entry will get the most natural one and what entries get second choice or autogenerated one. From my POV it is also important to keep familiar keystrokes intact, so newly added items should get an automatically assigned one unless there is a reason not to. Finding the place in the source code is not different from finding bad mnemonics in a translation. Look up the entry in pootle and there you have the reference. Or grep in the sources. Search in opengrok might also be possible, but not sure whether you need to escape the mnemonic marker/whether it includes the character in the search index. If you grep, just be aware that now there is two kinds of mnemonics: [~] for the previous dialogs, [_] for the ported to .ui dialogs. AFAIK, only the main menus are scripted, the others are placed by the dialog creator or the translators. Kind regards Sophie ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How to report double used and/or not working as expected mnemonics?
Hi Christian, *, On Montag, 28. Oktober 2013 16:19 Christian Lohmaier wrote: Am 28.10.2013 05:13 schrieb Thomas Hackert thack...@nexgo.de: On Sonntag, 27. Oktober 2013 18:37 Cor Nouws wrote: Thomas Hackert wrote (18-10-13 10:10) […] Is there a possibility to report this as fast and easy as possible? Fastest one would be to skip the bug report and instead push a patch to gerrit. do I not need commit rights to do it ;? The other prob is, that I have no programming experience, so I am not really sure, if I am able to help ... :( Should I open a new bug for every found one? No, that doesn't make sense. O.K. You would need to create a list of the menu items to decide what entry will get the most natural one and what entries get second choice or autogenerated one. But how should I know, which one will get the most natural one? And again, how should I know, which one are autogenerated and which one are coded? From my POV it is also important to keep familiar keystrokes intact, so newly added items should get an automatically assigned one unless there is a reason not to. O.K. Finding the place in the source code is not different from finding bad mnemonics in a translation. Look up the entry in pootle and there you have the reference. Or grep in the sources. Search in opengrok might also be possible, but not sure whether you need to escape the mnemonic marker/whether it includes the character in the search index. Do I remember it right, that there are two different mnemonics? ~ and _? Or are there more, which I do not know yet? Have a nice evening Thomas. -- We have ears, earther...FOUR OF THEM! ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How to report double used and/or not working as expected mnemonics?
sophi wrote If you grep, just be aware that now there is two kinds of mnemonics: [~] for the previous dialogs, [_] for the ported to .ui dialogs. AFAIK, only the main menus are scripted, the others are placed by the dialog creator or the translators. Yes that is correct. Unfortunately the legacy assignments with ~ pulled from the various .xcu configurations are not being fully ported to their _ counter part for .ui configurations. That currently leaves things in a bit of a mess. Frankly, we no longer are maintaining HIG and accelerators/shortcuts long established from OOo and our LibreOffice practices. The template manager and start center are two examples of things breaking as we've implemented GTK based UI. The current documented short-cuts and accelerators are published to Wiki help, some UX-advise and Dev discipline is now needed to see that we reestablish our published norms under the .ui configurations--or republish user guides that match the new implementations (what ever those evolve into). Also, a gentle reminder that accelerator/short-cut implementation really should be consistent cross platform. Also, getting this right has considerable impact on Accessibility and Assistive Technology support. So, please review these published guides and consider the issue in that context. https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/General_Shortcut_Keys_in https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Shortcuts_Accessibility https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Shortcut_Keys_for_Writer https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Navigating_and_Selecting_With_the_Keyboard -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-How-to-report-double-used-and-or-not-working-as-expected-mnemonics-tp4078583p4080253.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How to report double used and/or not working as expected mnemonics?
Hi Thomas, Thomas Hackert wrote (18-10-13 10:10) [...] When I opened opt/libreofficedev4.2/program/soffice and press Alt+t to open the Tools menu, the Template Manager opens, as it has the same mnemonic (this underlined character in the Start Center, menu bar, etc. ... ;) ). Is there a possibility to report this as fast and easy as possible? Should I open a new bug for every found one? You are talking about the English ones, do you? As far as I know, there are mnemonics that are added in the code and ones that are auto-generated. For the first ones, I would make an issue for those that are in the same menu or window combined. Unless you know who is working on that area, then an issue may be superfluous? [...] I find it a little bit disturbing to have to type it more than once ... :( An interesting observation in this window is, if you press the keys O (the letter O) M, J (and maybe some others well) there, without clicking in one of the fields... ;) Probably a different subject, buttons in active state? Cheers, Cor -- - Cor Nouws - http://nl.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How to report double used and/or not working as expected mnemonics?
Good morning Cor, *, On Sonntag, 27. Oktober 2013 18:37 Cor Nouws wrote: Thomas Hackert wrote (18-10-13 10:10) [...] When I opened opt/libreofficedev4.2/program/soffice and press Alt+t to open the Tools menu, the Template Manager opens, as it has the same mnemonic (this underlined character in the Start Center, menu bar, etc. ... ;) ). Is there a possibility to report this as fast and easy as possible? Should I open a new bug for every found one? You are talking about the English ones, do you? yes, otherwise I have mentioned it ... ;) As far as I know, there are mnemonics that are added in the code and ones that are auto-generated. O.K. For the first ones, I would make an issue for those that are in the same menu or window combined. But how do I know, if they were added in the code or were auto- generated? Unless you know who is working on that area, then an issue may be superfluous? I have not the faintest idea, sorry ... :( [...] I find it a little bit disturbing to have to type it more than once ... :( An interesting observation in this window is, if you press the keys O (the letter O) M, J (and maybe some others well) there, without clicking in one of the fields... ;) Probably a different subject, buttons in active state? O.K. Thanks for your answer Thomas. -- Give me a sleeping pill and tell me your troubles. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
