Re: [License-discuss] proposal to revise and slightly reorganize the OSI licensing page [revisited]
Tzeng, Nigel H. scripsit: Frankly, if you aren't going to tackle the categorization issue then I'd just update the links to insure they are accurate and leave it alone because you're going to have contention over what belongs in that list of popular, widely used or have strong communities on the revised landing page. Okay, you're against the change; the rest is off-topic for this thread. -- BALIN FUNDINUL UZBAD KHAZADDUMUco...@ccil.org BALIN SON OF FUNDIN LORD OF KHAZAD-DUM http://www.ccil.org/~cowan ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss
Re: [License-discuss] proposal to revise and slightly reorganize the OSI licensing page [revisited]
Count my vote as NO for the same reason that Nigel gave. Count me also as frustrated that OSI continues to silence the arguments against your license categorizations! /Larry Lawrence Rosen Rosenlaw Einschlag, a technology law firm (www.rosenlaw.com) 3001 King Ranch Rd., Ukiah, CA 95482 Office: 707-485-1242 -Original Message- From: John Cowan [mailto:co...@mercury.ccil.org] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 10:40 AM To: license-discuss@opensource.org Subject: Re: [License-discuss] proposal to revise and slightly reorganize the OSI licensing page [revisited] Tzeng, Nigel H. scripsit: Frankly, if you aren't going to tackle the categorization issue then I'd just update the links to insure they are accurate and leave it alone because you're going to have contention over what belongs in that list of popular, widely used or have strong communities on the revised landing page. Okay, you're against the change; the rest is off-topic for this thread. -- BALIN FUNDINUL UZBAD KHAZADDUMUco...@ccil.org BALIN SON OF FUNDIN LORD OF KHAZAD-DUM http://www.ccil.org/~cowan ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss
Re: [License-discuss] proposal to revise and slightly reorganize the OSI licensing page [revisited]
Incorrect. The only part I'm specifically against is the section: The following OSI-approved licenses are popular, widely used, or have strong communities: [Insert the current list of popular/widely used/strong community licenses] The reason I am opposed to this specific part is because in my opinion it is PART OF the categorization issue. That itself cannot be made off-topic unless someone is inclined to pull shenanigans. I don't believe this to be the case but the inclusion of this section into the proposal changes it from a simple small edit to the website into something more, ESPECIALLY with the suggestion that the alphabetical list could safely be done away with. Given the issues with categorization the more neutral position would be to ONLY retain the alphabetical list. On 11/12/12 1:39 PM, John Cowan co...@mercury.ccil.org wrote: Tzeng, Nigel H. scripsit: Frankly, if you aren't going to tackle the categorization issue then I'd just update the links to insure they are accurate and leave it alone because you're going to have contention over what belongs in that list of popular, widely used or have strong communities on the revised landing page. Okay, you're against the change; the rest is off-topic for this thread. -- BALIN FUNDINUL UZBAD KHAZADDUMUco...@ccil.org BALIN SON OF FUNDIN LORD OF KHAZAD-DUM http://www.ccil.org/~cowan ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss
[License-discuss] proposal to revise and slightly reorganize the OSI licensing page [revisited]
Hi, all- This is a deliberately small, unambitious proposal to simplify and improve how the OSI-approved licenses are presented on the OSI website. The goal of the proposal is to make http://opensource.org/licenses/ more useful for newcomers who are trying to learn about open source licensing and our current approved licenses. This email reopens the discussion of a few months ago that got derailed by (1) my vacation and (2) a massively off-topic discussion. It incorporates the on-topic feedback from the last thread- many thanks to Chad Perrin, John Cowan, and McCoy Smith for their three on-topic emails. What This Is Not This proposal does not address the problem of changing and updating the licensing categories. **Email about that problem is off-topic for this thread. If you must discuss it, please change the thread title.** Those questions are on the table, but they will inevitably involve months of careful discussion and planning. They will not be allowed to block this quicker, smaller discussion. The Proposal = 1. REORGANIZE: Reorganize the left-side navigation. What is currently Open Source Licenses, with sub-points Licenses by Category, Licenses by Name, License Review Process, and License Proliferation, would simply become a single page: Open Source Licensing (content of that page discussed below). License Review Process and License Proliferation would be moved to bullets under The Open Source Definition, because those pages are primarily about OSI's process and standards rather than about specific licenses or about open source licenses more generally. By slightly hiding the by category and by names pages, we'd be funneling people (particularly newcomers) to a slightly more informative page (and one that can be improved over time), while not losing the master lists altogether for the times when those are needed. 2. REVISE /LICENSES/ : The Open Source Licensing page (replacing the current http://opensource.org/licenses/) would say (hopefully all changes self-explanatory): Open source licenses are licenses that comply with the Open Source Definition[link] - in essence, they allow software to be used, modified, and redistributed without restriction. To be approved by the Open Source Initiative, a license must be go through the Open Source Initiative's license review process[link]. The following OSI-approved licenses are popular, widely used, or have strong communities: [Insert the current list of popular/widely used/strong community licenses] Many other licenses are also OSI-approved. Complete lists are available: sorted by name (alphabetical) sorted by category For more information about open source licenses and in particular about the Open Source Initiative's approval process, see: The Open Source Definition (annotated version) [link] The OSI License Review Process [link] Information on License Proliferation and the 2006 License Proliferation Report [link] Miscellany * We'll of course clean up any dangling links caused by changed URLs and set up proper redirects before changing any URLs. (Not entirely clear it makes sense to change /licenses/ to /licensing/, which would be the primary URL change based on the previous suggestions). * In the longer term, once Drupal is upgraded, it will likely make sense to generate http://opensource.org/licenses/alphabetical and http://opensource.org/licenses/category programatically, rather than through the current manual listing, which is of course error-prone. (Some people have suggested doing away with the alphabetical list altogether, which I personally would be fine with.) That may cause some more tweaks in URLs and layouts, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Again, I welcome on-topic feedback for the proposal, which I will otherwise probably implement in the next week or two. Thanks- Luis ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss
Re: [License-discuss] proposal to revise and slightly reorganize the OSI licensing page [revisited]
Happy to take suggestions on the in essence part- trying to capture the basics in one sentence. On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Richard Fontana rfont...@redhat.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 04:01:03PM -0800, Luis Villa wrote: 2. REVISE /LICENSES/ : The Open Source Licensing page (replacing the current http://opensource.org/licenses/) would say (hopefully all changes self-explanatory): Open source licenses are licenses that comply with the Open Source Definition[link] - in essence, they allow software to be used, modified, and redistributed without restriction. I don't agree with the in essence part. * In the longer term, once Drupal is upgraded, it will likely make sense to generate http://opensource.org/licenses/alphabetical and http://opensource.org/licenses/category programatically, rather than through the current manual listing, which is of course error-prone. (Some people have suggested doing away with the alphabetical list altogether, which I personally would be fine with.) I've actually found the alphabetical list useful at times, FWIW. - Richard ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss
Re: [License-discuss] proposal to revise and slightly reorganize the OSI licensing page [revisited]
Seconding Richard's comments regarding the usefulness of the alphabetical list here. G. On Nov 11, 2012, at 5:40 PM, Richard Fontana wrote: On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 04:01:03PM -0800, Luis Villa wrote: 2. REVISE /LICENSES/ : The Open Source Licensing page (replacing the current http://opensource.org/licenses/) would say (hopefully all changes self-explanatory): Open source licenses are licenses that comply with the Open Source Definition[link] - in essence, they allow software to be used, modified, and redistributed without restriction. I don't agree with the in essence part. * In the longer term, once Drupal is upgraded, it will likely make sense to generate http://opensource.org/licenses/alphabetical and http://opensource.org/licenses/category programatically, rather than through the current manual listing, which is of course error-prone. (Some people have suggested doing away with the alphabetical list altogether, which I personally would be fine with.) I've actually found the alphabetical list useful at times, FWIW. - Richard ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss
