[LincolnTalk] Send your (brief) reactions to the Special Town Meeting

[Alice Waugh]

Hi Lincoln,

As I noted a couple of days ago, I'm out of the country and wasn't able to
attend Saturday's funfest, and though I've been informed as to the general
outcome, I'm not going to be able to watch seven hours of video anytime
soon (darn!). so I invite you to submit your thoughts about the results of
any or all of the three votes. I'll collate them into a single longer "My
Turn" post to be published (hopefully) during the day Monday.

Please keep your responses to *no more than 150 words*. Many thanks!

Alice Waugh

Editor, The Lincoln Squirrel  and The
Lincoln Chipmunk 

lincolnsquirreln...@gmail.com

617-710-5542 (mobile)

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Re: [LincolnTalk] What was outcome of vote?

[Caitlin Hogue]

Thank you Andy!

On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 5:08 PM Andy Wang  wrote:

> Article 1 (correction): passed
> Article 2 (CC): 100% option will move forward
> Article 3 (Commons): passed
> Article 4 (HCA): Option C will move forward
>
> 645 voted, option C 55% of the vote
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 4:30 PM Anne Warner  wrote:
>
>> For those of us who could not attend, what was outcome of vote?
>> Anne Warner
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Re: [LincolnTalk] What was outcome of vote?

[Andy Wang]

Article 1 (correction): passed
Article 2 (CC): 100% option will move forward
Article 3 (Commons): passed
Article 4 (HCA): Option C will move forward

645 voted, option C 55% of the vote




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> For those of us who could not attend, what was outcome of vote?
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[LincolnTalk] Congrats to proponents for option C

[Scott Clary]

Prponents of E should be proud as well.

Kind Regards,

Scott Clary
617-968-5769

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[LincolnTalk] Free wicker garden set

[Britta Das]

Loveseat and Chair, off white wicker with outdoor cushions (2 cushions had some 
squirrel damage along the top). 

Please email me directly if interested, with a time you can pick up and a cell 
number to coordinate. 
Thanks ! 
Britta




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[LincolnTalk] fyi: about town meeting

[K Mierz via Lincoln]

something to remember when you attend town meetings...
if you are sitting next to microphones that are used during the meetings,they 
don't turn all of them off during the pauses.
so those of you in the vicinity of those microphones are possibly having your 
voices (and what-you-think-are-private conversations) not only being heard by 
those listening online, but also recorded into the final video-audio file of 
the meeting.
something to remember the next time...   

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[LincolnTalk] Dentist

[j m via Lincoln]

Wondering if there are any recommendations for a dentist that may specialize in 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Possible to vote early today?

[Sara Mattes]

Yes you must be in the roomSent from my iPhoneOn Dec 2, 2023, at 8:41 AM, Nicole Kaplan  wrote:* But you do have to be present in the room when voting begins in order to cast your ballot. And, we don’t know exactly what time that will be….Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 2, 2023, at 8:17 AM, Nicole Kaplan  wrote:Hi Sarah,I just spoke to a friend of mine who is doing voter check in today, and she confirmed you can show up anytime and collect your ballots. Nicole Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 2, 2023, at 8:09 AM, ٍSarah Postlethwait  wrote:Sarah Cannon Holden,Just to clarify with those unfamiliar with the town meeting process. Can people show up anytime today and check in? Or is there a designated time period to check in to be given a ballot? Thank youSarah Postlethwait On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 7:40 AM Sarah Cannon Holden  wrote:When you check in this am you will be given two ballots. One is for Community Center ~ Article 2. The other is for Housing Choice Act ~ Article 4. Voting will take place for each article after the presentation and discussions of each article. There is no early voting. 

Sarah Cannon Holden
Town Moderator

> On Dec 2, 2023, at 7:06 AM, Pat Gray  wrote:
> 
> Can someone confirm if a resident can register this morning and at the same time get a ballot and vote? I hope so, because it would allow many people to have their voices heard.
> Pat Gray 
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[LincolnTalk] What was outcome of vote?

[Anne Warner]

For those of us who could not attend, what was outcome of vote? 
Anne Warner
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Adam M Hogue]

Sara that is so easy to fix we have been talking about this forever we can make updates and change stuff before the vote happens through forums and debate.  Then the final votes are done via ballot.  Other states do this. Be open to change and be a little progressive so everyone has a vote. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 1, 2023, at 11:09 PM, Sasha Golden  wrote:So the seriously disabled, medically frail, and immune-compromised don't deserve democracy, then? OK, then.On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:54 PM Adam M Hogue  wrote:Well Sara, you can also have direct democracy on the ballot with early voting and absentee voting.  Just saying. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:50 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:This is the law in most towns in New England.Every registered voter has an opportunity to vote on all issues, but you must be present and counted.The alternative is to turn that opportunity to elected officials to make all decisions.If that a more open, democratic way.I chose the former where I have a chance to participate in direct democracy rather than handing my vote to a second party.SaraSent from my iPhoneOn Dec 1, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Adam M Hogue  wrote:Unfortunately they can’t vote.  Our voting laws in this town do not allow for all voices to be heard and do not allow equal access to voting. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:27 PM, Terri via Lincoln  wrote:Hello Friends,Does anyone know how residents such as the  elderly or disabled are able to vote tomorrow? I am pretty sure we can all agreetheir voices are most important.  I see the question was asked several times here on LT.but no answer. I do not see it on  Town Web site (?) Thank you,Terri K-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.-- 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Possible to vote early today?

[Nicole Kaplan]

* But you do have to be present in the room when voting begins in order to cast your ballot. And, we don’t know exactly what time that will be….Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 2, 2023, at 8:17 AM, Nicole Kaplan  wrote:Hi Sarah,I just spoke to a friend of mine who is doing voter check in today, and she confirmed you can show up anytime and collect your ballots. Nicole Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 2, 2023, at 8:09 AM, ٍSarah Postlethwait  wrote:Sarah Cannon Holden,Just to clarify with those unfamiliar with the town meeting process. Can people show up anytime today and check in? Or is there a designated time period to check in to be given a ballot? Thank youSarah Postlethwait On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 7:40 AM Sarah Cannon Holden  wrote:When you check in this am you will be given two ballots. One is for Community Center ~ Article 2. The other is for Housing Choice Act ~ Article 4. Voting will take place for each article after the presentation and discussions of each article. There is no early voting. 

Sarah Cannon Holden
Town Moderator

> On Dec 2, 2023, at 7:06 AM, Pat Gray  wrote:
> 
> Can someone confirm if a resident can register this morning and at the same time get a ballot and vote? I hope so, because it would allow many people to have their voices heard.
> Pat Gray 
> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Voting on incomplete options

[Debra Daugherty]

Thank you for that information Margaret. The financial considerations I was
talking about were those associated with the functioning of the housing
complex after it is built.

On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 8:25 AM Margaret Olson  wrote:

> Debra,
>
> On the town's side, almost every development with significant levels of
> affordable housing in Lincoln has been subsidized either through donation
> of the land to be developed or direct cash contributions to the effort.
> Attached is a recounting from the Lincoln Housing Coalition (
> http://www.lincolntown.org/documentcenter/view/35196) of the various ways
> that the Town has contributed to the development of affordable housing.
> Battle Road Farm was supported by a $3 million land purchase.  Three group
> homes were supported by $250,000 each providing 15 additional affordable
> units.  The RLF provided $27,000 that purchased 3 acres of land from the
> State and the Housing Trust financed the construction of three new
> affordable homes (with two of the acres adjacent to Minuteman Park put into
> conservation). The RLF also contributed the land upon which Lincoln Woods
> was developed.  And, as has been noted frequently in this discussion,
> Lincoln put in $1 million to the development of Oriole Landing which added
> 60 units to Lincoln's Subsidized Housing Inventory (51 over the 9 required
> by our zoning bylaw).
>
> Once the subsidized housing is built the owner of the unit is responsible
> for it - collecting rent, maintenance, etc. Applicants must document their
> income. For rental units the income is re-verified every year.
>
> Margaret
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 8:02 AM Debra Daugherty 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm glad someone is asking about the financial situation for housing
>> complexes with affordable housing units. I feel like people have been
>> talking a lot about what they want in the way of affordable housing without
>> discussing any of the details about how that program works financially. I
>> think you are asking about a rental situation (apartment complex) and
>> whether the town would be subsidizing the affordable housing rent. Although
>> my guess would be no (subsidies or grants would come from the State and/or
>> the rent for any market rate units could be set to offset the cost of the
>> affordable units), I'd be very interested to hear how it actually works
>> from someone that knows the facts.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 10:49 PM Diana Smith 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We are told that to qualify for the affordable units, tenants income
>>>  can be at 80% of the town's median income which was $145,833 in 2021.  So
>>> is it correct to assume that we will be subsidizing tenants with incomes up
>>> to $116,666?
>>> Diana
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 9:43 PM Robert Ahlert 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ok, not technical site plans. How about some 2D “design concepts” which
 include the full site?

 The real answer as to why they don’t have them is because they don’t
 need to have them. And they don’t need to have them because the plan is to
 get HCA zoning and then sell the property for top dollar. Then let the new
 owner/developer come up with actual site plans which only the PB sees
 because it’s HCA zoning. And the PB can’t control costs of what is built so
 the owner/developer will look to pass their higher costs to consumers by
 building luxury condos that only the top 1% can afford.

 It just doesn’t seem very progressive to me at all but maybe we’ll get
 a super nice developer.

 Rob

 On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 9:06 PM Sara Lupkas 
 wrote:

> There are no basic site plans for the mall because there is no
> redevelopment plan for the mall right now. The HCA options that we will be
> voting on tomorrow are to decide where to put the multi-family zoning
> districts, that's it. There is no development plan for the mall at this
> time, and no developer bidding on any project. Putting forward any site
> plans under these conditions would be extremely premature.
>
> Sara Lupkas
> Staff member of the Lincoln Land Conservation Trust, but these are my
> personal views and not an official statement
> Sandy Pond Rd
>
> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 8:03 PM Robert Ahlert 
> wrote:
>
>> I can imagine a person that votes for C now in December, but then
>> feels hoodwinked because he or she later learns about other details in 
>> the
>> bylaws, that he or she which switch their vote to No in March.
>>
>> It would’ve been much cleaner if the planning board had published
>> their draft bylaws by now. It would also be much cleaner if we had some
>> basic site plans for the Mall. It would also have been much cleaner if we
>> had a better traffic study which included 5 corners.  Etc.
>>
>> Let’s take another year to figure this out with some fresh sets
>> of eyes.
>>
>> Sorry, I’m on repeat now.
>>

Re: [LincolnTalk] Possible to vote early today?

[Caitlin Hogue]

So then what is the point of a paper ballot? From my experience at prior
town meetings, our votes were counted by voice or standing up.

Katy

On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 8:29 AM Margaret Olson  wrote:

> Yes, you can show up at any time but you can only vote if you are checked
> in and in the auditorium when the question is called.
>
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 8:26 AM Caitlin Hogue 
> wrote:
>
>> To confirm, does this mean you can show up at say, 2 pm, and get a
>> ballot?
>>
>> Katy
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 8:18 AM ٍSarah Postlethwait 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Nicole, I appreciate you checking on this!
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 8:17 AM Nicole Kaplan  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Sarah,

 I just spoke to a friend of mine who is doing voter check in today, and
 she confirmed you can show up anytime and collect your ballots.

 Nicole
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 2, 2023, at 8:09 AM, ٍSarah Postlethwait 
 wrote:

 

 Sarah Cannon Holden,

 Just to clarify with those unfamiliar with the town meeting process.
 Can people show up anytime today and check in? Or is there a designated
 time period to check in to be given a ballot?

 Thank you
 Sarah Postlethwait

 On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 7:40 AM Sarah Cannon Holden <
 sarahcannonhol...@gmail.com> wrote:

> When you check in this am you will be given two ballots. One is for
> Community Center ~ Article 2. The other is for Housing Choice Act ~ 
> Article
> 4. Voting will take place for each article after the presentation and
> discussions of each article. There is no early voting.
>
> Sarah Cannon Holden
> Town Moderator
>
> > On Dec 2, 2023, at 7:06 AM, Pat Gray  wrote:
> >
> > Can someone confirm if a resident can register this morning and at
> the same time get a ballot and vote? I hope so, because it would allow 
> many
> people to have their voices heard.
> > Pat Gray
> >
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Possible to vote early today?

[Margaret Olson]

Yes, you can show up at any time but you can only vote if you are checked
in and in the auditorium when the question is called.

On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 8:26 AM Caitlin Hogue 
wrote:

> To confirm, does this mean you can show up at say, 2 pm, and get a ballot?
>
> Katy
>
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 8:18 AM ٍSarah Postlethwait 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Nicole, I appreciate you checking on this!
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 8:17 AM Nicole Kaplan  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sarah,
>>>
>>> I just spoke to a friend of mine who is doing voter check in today, and
>>> she confirmed you can show up anytime and collect your ballots.
>>>
>>> Nicole
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 2, 2023, at 8:09 AM, ٍSarah Postlethwait 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Sarah Cannon Holden,
>>>
>>> Just to clarify with those unfamiliar with the town meeting process. Can
>>> people show up anytime today and check in? Or is there a designated time
>>> period to check in to be given a ballot?
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>> Sarah Postlethwait
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 7:40 AM Sarah Cannon Holden <
>>> sarahcannonhol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 When you check in this am you will be given two ballots. One is for
 Community Center ~ Article 2. The other is for Housing Choice Act ~ Article
 4. Voting will take place for each article after the presentation and
 discussions of each article. There is no early voting.

 Sarah Cannon Holden
 Town Moderator

 > On Dec 2, 2023, at 7:06 AM, Pat Gray  wrote:
 >
 > Can someone confirm if a resident can register this morning and at
 the same time get a ballot and vote? I hope so, because it would allow many
 people to have their voices heard.
 > Pat Gray
 >
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Possible to vote early today?

[Caitlin Hogue]

To confirm, does this mean you can show up at say, 2 pm, and get a ballot?

Katy

On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 8:18 AM ٍSarah Postlethwait  wrote:

> Thank you Nicole, I appreciate you checking on this!
>
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 8:17 AM Nicole Kaplan  wrote:
>
>> Hi Sarah,
>>
>> I just spoke to a friend of mine who is doing voter check in today, and
>> she confirmed you can show up anytime and collect your ballots.
>>
>> Nicole
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 2, 2023, at 8:09 AM, ٍSarah Postlethwait  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Sarah Cannon Holden,
>>
>> Just to clarify with those unfamiliar with the town meeting process. Can
>> people show up anytime today and check in? Or is there a designated time
>> period to check in to be given a ballot?
>>
>> Thank you
>> Sarah Postlethwait
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 7:40 AM Sarah Cannon Holden <
>> sarahcannonhol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> When you check in this am you will be given two ballots. One is for
>>> Community Center ~ Article 2. The other is for Housing Choice Act ~ Article
>>> 4. Voting will take place for each article after the presentation and
>>> discussions of each article. There is no early voting.
>>>
>>> Sarah Cannon Holden
>>> Town Moderator
>>>
>>> > On Dec 2, 2023, at 7:06 AM, Pat Gray  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Can someone confirm if a resident can register this morning and at
>>> the same time get a ballot and vote? I hope so, because it would allow many
>>> people to have their voices heard.
>>> > Pat Gray
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Possible to vote early today?

[ٍSarah Postlethwait]

Thank you Nicole, I appreciate you checking on this!

On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 8:17 AM Nicole Kaplan  wrote:

> Hi Sarah,
>
> I just spoke to a friend of mine who is doing voter check in today, and
> she confirmed you can show up anytime and collect your ballots.
>
> Nicole
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 2, 2023, at 8:09 AM, ٍSarah Postlethwait  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Sarah Cannon Holden,
>
> Just to clarify with those unfamiliar with the town meeting process. Can
> people show up anytime today and check in? Or is there a designated time
> period to check in to be given a ballot?
>
> Thank you
> Sarah Postlethwait
>
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 7:40 AM Sarah Cannon Holden <
> sarahcannonhol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> When you check in this am you will be given two ballots. One is for
>> Community Center ~ Article 2. The other is for Housing Choice Act ~ Article
>> 4. Voting will take place for each article after the presentation and
>> discussions of each article. There is no early voting.
>>
>> Sarah Cannon Holden
>> Town Moderator
>>
>> > On Dec 2, 2023, at 7:06 AM, Pat Gray  wrote:
>> >
>> > Can someone confirm if a resident can register this morning and at the
>> same time get a ballot and vote? I hope so, because it would allow many
>> people to have their voices heard.
>> > Pat Gray
>> >
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Possible to vote early today?

[ٍSarah Postlethwait]

Sarah Cannon Holden,

Just to clarify with those unfamiliar with the town meeting process. Can
people show up anytime today and check in? Or is there a designated time
period to check in to be given a ballot?

Thank you
Sarah Postlethwait

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sarahcannonhol...@gmail.com> wrote:

> When you check in this am you will be given two ballots. One is for
> Community Center ~ Article 2. The other is for Housing Choice Act ~ Article
> 4. Voting will take place for each article after the presentation and
> discussions of each article. There is no early voting.
>
> Sarah Cannon Holden
> Town Moderator
>
> > On Dec 2, 2023, at 7:06 AM, Pat Gray  wrote:
> >
> > Can someone confirm if a resident can register this morning and at the
> same time get a ballot and vote? I hope so, because it would allow many
> people to have their voices heard.
> > Pat Gray
> >
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[LincolnTalk] Free cat bed

[Judith Wong]

Our cat is not interested.

Judy 

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Voting on incomplete options

[Debra Daugherty]

I'm glad someone is asking about the financial situation for housing
complexes with affordable housing units. I feel like people have been
talking a lot about what they want in the way of affordable housing without
discussing any of the details about how that program works financially. I
think you are asking about a rental situation (apartment complex) and
whether the town would be subsidizing the affordable housing rent. Although
my guess would be no (subsidies or grants would come from the State and/or
the rent for any market rate units could be set to offset the cost of the
affordable units), I'd be very interested to hear how it actually works
from someone that knows the facts.

On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 10:49 PM Diana Smith 
wrote:

> We are told that to qualify for the affordable units, tenants income  can
> be at 80% of the town's median income which was $145,833 in 2021.  So is it
> correct to assume that we will be subsidizing tenants with incomes up to
> $116,666?
> Diana
>
> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 9:43 PM Robert Ahlert  wrote:
>
>> Ok, not technical site plans. How about some 2D “design concepts” which
>> include the full site?
>>
>> The real answer as to why they don’t have them is because they don’t need
>> to have them. And they don’t need to have them because the plan is to get
>> HCA zoning and then sell the property for top dollar. Then let the new
>> owner/developer come up with actual site plans which only the PB sees
>> because it’s HCA zoning. And the PB can’t control costs of what is built so
>> the owner/developer will look to pass their higher costs to consumers by
>> building luxury condos that only the top 1% can afford.
>>
>> It just doesn’t seem very progressive to me at all but maybe we’ll get a
>> super nice developer.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 9:06 PM Sara Lupkas  wrote:
>>
>>> There are no basic site plans for the mall because there is no
>>> redevelopment plan for the mall right now. The HCA options that we will be
>>> voting on tomorrow are to decide where to put the multi-family zoning
>>> districts, that's it. There is no development plan for the mall at this
>>> time, and no developer bidding on any project. Putting forward any site
>>> plans under these conditions would be extremely premature.
>>>
>>> Sara Lupkas
>>> Staff member of the Lincoln Land Conservation Trust, but these are my
>>> personal views and not an official statement
>>> Sandy Pond Rd
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 8:03 PM Robert Ahlert 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I can imagine a person that votes for C now in December, but then feels
 hoodwinked because he or she later learns about other details in the
 bylaws, that he or she which switch their vote to No in March.

 It would’ve been much cleaner if the planning board had published their
 draft bylaws by now. It would also be much cleaner if we had some basic
 site plans for the Mall. It would also have been much cleaner if we had a
 better traffic study which included 5 corners.  Etc.

 Let’s take another year to figure this out with some fresh sets of eyes.

 Sorry, I’m on repeat now.

 Rob



 On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 7:31 PM Karla Gravis 
 wrote:

> With the approach taken, the PB will decide the ONE set of bylaws that
> will be up for vote in March.
>
> Let's see if an example helps. Height restrictions are an important
> part of the bylaws. Right now, the PB is considering allowing up to 48' (4
> stories) in the Village Center.
>
> In March, the only two options might be: 1) Vote for the bylaws that
> include 48' heights or 2) do not comply with HCA. For many, either of 
> those
> will be pretty bad options, and people will be forced to pick between the
> lesser of two evils.
>
> Another example, the PB is considering including a clause that says
> the PB can override any of the restrictions by special permit. Again, the
> vote in March might be 1) give the PB decision rights to override any
> restrictions or 2) do not comply with the HCA. What if most people don't
> agree with either? We are forcing residents into false choices.
>
> Tomorrow, we are voting on options but have no idea about any of these
> considerations. We could (should) have been presented with the option to
> choose 36' or 48' height restrictions, for example. Instead, we are 
> letting
> the PB decide what to bring to the March town meeting.
>
> This is very much internally consistent.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 19:19 DJCP  wrote:
>>
>>> What you're saying isn't even internally consistent. How does the
>>> Planning board keep decisions to itself AND put things up to vote at 
>>> town
>>> meeting?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023, 6:03 PM Karla Gravis 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I am confused with this answer.

 No one i

Re: [LincolnTalk] Possible to vote early today?

[Andy Wang]

[Adding the Selects directly to see if they would consider]

Why not?

The articles as presented in the Warrant are actually not the vote.
Article 1 (correct clerical error) and Article 3 (Oriole Landing) are 'To
see if the Town will vote...' whereas Article 2 (CC) and Article 4 (HCA)
are 'To hear a report from...' and 'To see if the Town will vote to hear a
report from...'  The vote today for both of these items is not actually an
'official' vote in that we're not discussing budgetary items or making a
zoning change. Both of these articles are reports.  The "vote" is
structured as a sense of what the Town wants to do.  In that case, it's
really just a complicated way to get feedback from the town (and not
binding) and if I'm reading that correctly, that wouldn't follow under the
same voting rules as a typical Town Meeting since the vote is NOT the
article in question.

Given that, it also seems like we could have done this as a register at
Town Hall and pick up/fill out a ballot situation early if we wanted to.

Granted, this would not allow voting in subsequent rounds, but I think
people would be happy to just have their voices heard in the first round if
they could not stay the whole time.

I would appreciate it if the Selects / Moderator would confer with Town
Council.

- Andy



‪On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 7:46 AM ‫ٍSarah Postlethwait‬‎ 
wrote:‬

> The way town meeting is now, you have to be present in the room during the
> voting to be able to cast your ballot. Voting happens after the debate on
> the topic. When the vote is called, the doors will be closed and only those*
> present in the **room *are able to cast a ballot.
>
> It would be wonderful if town meeting were more inclusive in the future,
> however that is not how it is set up now.
>
> Sarah Postlethwait
> Lewis St
>
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 7:06 AM Pat Gray  wrote:
>
>> Can someone confirm if a resident can register this morning and at the
>> same time get a ballot and vote? I hope so, because it would allow many
>> people to have their voices heard.
>> Pat Gray
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Possible to vote early today?

[ٍSarah Postlethwait]

The way town meeting is now, you have to be present in the room during the
voting to be able to cast your ballot. Voting happens after the debate on
the topic. When the vote is called, the doors will be closed and only those*
present in the **room *are able to cast a ballot.

It would be wonderful if town meeting were more inclusive in the future,
however that is not how it is set up now.

Sarah Postlethwait
Lewis St

On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 7:06 AM Pat Gray  wrote:

> Can someone confirm if a resident can register this morning and at the
> same time get a ballot and vote? I hope so, because it would allow many
> people to have their voices heard.
> Pat Gray
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Possible to vote early today?

[Sarah Cannon Holden]

When you check in this am you will be given two ballots. One is for Community 
Center ~ Article 2. The other is for Housing Choice Act ~ Article 4. Voting 
will take place for each article after the presentation and discussions of each 
article. There is no early voting. 

Sarah Cannon Holden
Town Moderator

> On Dec 2, 2023, at 7:06 AM, Pat Gray  wrote:
> 
> Can someone confirm if a resident can register this morning and at the same 
> time get a ballot and vote? I hope so, because it would allow many people to 
> have their voices heard.
> Pat Gray 
> 
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[LincolnTalk] Possible to vote early today?

[Pat Gray]

Can someone confirm if a resident can register this morning and at the same 
time get a ballot and vote? I hope so, because it would allow many people to 
have their voices heard.
Pat Gray 

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