Re: Domino for Linux S/390?
How do we know if we want to buy, if we can't kick the tyres? Why not produce a developer release (like Oracle) and gather feedback? If we are to believe all the marketing rhetoric about Linux, it should be a matter of just re-compiling the existing Domino for Linux-Intel code-base shouldn't it? Mark: Sorry, to be more clear: We are looking for customers who would buy the product if it met their needs (e.g. performed the way they wanted). That is, we are looking for customers with real interest. Oracle did not produce a developer release until they had a LOT of firm customer interest, and the same is true will almost all ISVs we have worked with. While a port is for the most part just a re-compile, there is a LOT of testing required before any vendor will ship a product. Regards, Jim
Re: Domino for Linux S/390?
Being OS/390 R10 with many AS400's and looking for means to cut cost--Linux is being looked at, but if was support on or current platform--even under OMVS we would be interested..This would hold true to many Intel/Unix based products.. Ronald: Domino is fully supported on OS/400 and OS/390. In many cases, OS/400 will provide the most scalable solution for Domino servers. Regards, Jim
Re: Domino for Linux S/390?
Being OS/390 R10 with many AS400's and looking for means to cut cost--Linux is being looked at, but if was support on or current platform--even under OMVS we would be interested..This would hold true to many Intel/Unix based products..
Re: Domino for Linux S/390?
Ronald, I'm not really sure what you're saying here. If you're talking about Domino specifically, it is supported on OS/390. If you're not talking about Domino specifically, there are very few Intel Linux packages that are not available on Linux/390, in the Open Source world. Many of the commercially available Intel Linux products are also available on Linux/390. Which Intel Linux products would you like to see on Linux/390 that aren't there yet? Mark Post -Original Message- From: Ronald Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Domino for Linux S/390? Being OS/390 R10 with many AS400's and looking for means to cut cost--Linux is being looked at, but if was support on or current platform--even under OMVS we would be interested..This would hold true to many Intel/Unix based products..
Re: Domino for Linux S/390?
Being OS/390 R10 with many AS400's and looking for means to cut cost--Linux is being looked at, but if was support on or current platform--even under OMVS we would be interested..This would hold true to many Intel/Unix based products.. Well, Domino *is* available on z/OS, but it's: a) a rather heavyweight product in terms of care and feeding and footprint b) it's a CPU hog if you have extensive custom scripting (LotusScript assumes that CPU is not a resource that needs conservation, but bandwidth and disk I/O are, mostly due to it's Intel roots) c) hard to scale -- MVS thinks best with small numbers of images doing lots of work; Domino is architected for larger numbers of images doing small amounts of work. Item C is one of the major reasons why many of us want Domino on Linux for 390. In terms of application architecture, it's a natural fit for Linux in virtual machines, and most, if not all, the hard work to make it work that way is already completed. Much of the discussion I've heard about Domino on Linux appears to be that it performs poorly with large numbers of users -- well, split them up into multiple server images, take advantage of the backplane network to do replication of common data, and _keep the images small_. Sounds like a perfect match for Linux in virtual machines... -- db
Re: Domino for Linux S/390?
It's all a matter of business opportunity. If everyone here can show IBM that they are willing to shell out the dubloons for the software, IBM will listen up. Voice your opinion here, but better yet collect your prose and sent it off to IBM. If you don't have a local rep, call a branch office and ask for one. Rich: A good summary of the requirement. Lotus/IBM is still reviewing the business case for Domino on zSeries Linux. At this time no decision has been made, but it is seriously being looked at. All I can say is that if you really would buy this (not just kicking the tires) please let your Lotus rep know. If you want to make sure the zSeries side of IBM knows of your interest copy your IBM zSeries rep and myself. Regards, Jim
Re: Domino for Linux S/390?
All I can say is that if you really would buy this (not just kicking the tires) please let your Lotus rep know. How do we know if we want to buy, if we can't kick the tyres? Why not produce a developer release (like Oracle) and gather feedback? If we are to believe all the marketing rhetoric about Linux, it should be a matter of just re-compiling the existing Domino for Linux-Intel code-base shouldn't it? Regards, Mark Darvodelsky, Royal SunAlliance Australia - Data Centre. Phone: +61-2-99789081 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CAUTION - This message is intended for the addressee named above It may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone other than the addressee. If you have received this message in error please return the message to the sender by replying to it and then delete the message from your computer. Internet emails are not necessarily secure. Royal SunAlliance does not accept responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent
Re: Domino for Linux S/390?
I've no luck in searching for Domino to run on an S/390 Linux virtual machine. Does anyone have information on whether there is a Domino platform available to run there? Domino is NOT available for Linux on S/390. IBM is investigating whether to provide this, but it is not available at this time. Regards, Jim
Re: Domino for Linux S/390?
It's all a matter of business opportunity. If everyone here can show IBM that they are willing to shell out the dubloons for the software, IBM will listen up. Voice your opinion here, but better yet collect your prose and sent it off to IBM. If you don't have a local rep, call a branch office and ask for one. On Monday 10 June 2002 06:05 pm, you wrote: Matt, This topic comes up from time to time. Although IBM ran a survey sometime back, I never heard whether they had any serious intent to port Domino to L/390. If someone knows what is up IBM's sleeve, I would love to hear their answer. Regards, Paul -- Rich Smrcina Sytek Services, Inc. Milwaukee, WI [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Catch the WAVV! Stay for Requirements and the Free for All! Update your S/390 skills in 4 days for a very reasonable price. WAVV 2003 in Winston-Salem, NC. April 25-29, 2003 For details see http://www.wavv.org
Re: Domino for Linux S/390?
I raised this question about 8 months ago, and IBM fessed up that they are working on something but are not ready to announce yet. Search the archives, as I posted IBM's response. You can probably get on-board with a beta test if you are willing to sign non-disclosure statements(at least that's what they led me to believe), but we were/are not ready yet. Another thing that has changed for us, is that we are already looking at aquiring a Z800 for a D/R machine, not licensing OS?390 or Z/OS. With the recently announced pricing of z/OS.e at 90% off of list, it is now not unreasonable to consider licensing it, and running Domino under USS, where IBM claims it is more robust, and has a better max users/MIPS ratio. They seemed to imply that the LINUX/390 version of domino would NOT be as robust. We are still working towards doing LINUX/390 on the Z800(if, and when) we get one, and if we don't go the Z800 route, but maybe a 9672 G5/G6 route, I will be back to looking at Domino on Linux as the lowest cost alternative. Dave __ Dave Jousma Lead Systems Programmer - Information Technology Spartan Stores, Inc. PO Box 8700 Grand Rapids, MI 49518 (616) 878-2883 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Domino for Linux S/390?
Matt, This topic comes up from time to time. Although IBM ran a survey sometime back, I never heard whether they had any serious intent to port Domino to L/390. If someone knows what is up IBM's sleeve, I would love to hear their answer. Regards, Paul
Re: Domino for Linux S/390?
Hello from Gregg C Levine usually with Jedi Knight Computers Good question. I don't know. Jim Elliot implied that a port was due out soon, in one of the several messages that came out last week But I do not remember which one. As for knowing what is up IBM's sleeve, you will have to ask Bullwinkle the Moose about it. Sorry!! Bad joke. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of paultz Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 7:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Domino for Linux S/390? Matt, This topic comes up from time to time. Although IBM ran a survey sometime back, I never heard whether they had any serious intent to port Domino to L/390. If someone knows what is up IBM's sleeve, I would love to hear their answer. Regards, Paul
Re: Domino for Linux S/390?
Hi Matt, Domino for Linux/390 is not available...yet. We've heard only that something might be available next year. Others on this list will no doubt provide some more details for you. In the meantime the recommended course of action is to express your interest to IBM-Lotus. The more customers who do this the quicker we are likely to get it! Regards, Mark Darvodelsky, Royal SunAlliance Australia - Data Centre. Phone: +61-2-99789081 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CAUTION - This message is intended for the addressee named above It may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone other than the addressee. If you have received this message in error please return the message to the sender by replying to it and then delete the message from your computer. Internet emails are not necessarily secure. Royal SunAlliance does not accept responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent
