Re: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting)
On Mer, 2003-06-18 at 15:03, Ryan Ware wrote: I don't think IBM is going to dump AIX for a long time. Linux can't scale vertically as well as any of the commercial Unices. Eventually it probably will, but it will take years before you'll be able to buy a 64 bit version of Redhat loaded on a 64 processor system. SGI will sell you such a system right now, not Red Hat but based on it with their own additional work.
Re: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting)
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003, Alan Cox wrote: On Mer, 2003-06-18 at 15:03, Ryan Ware wrote: I don't think IBM is going to dump AIX for a long time. Linux can't scale vertically as well as any of the commercial Unices. Eventually it probably will, but it will take years before you'll be able to buy a 64 bit version of Redhat loaded on a 64 processor system. SGI will sell you such a system right now, not Red Hat but based on it with their own additional work. Made me go looking;-) http://www.sgi.com/servers/altix/ I presume that since SGI makes much of the fact those run Linux, these don't: http://www.sgi.com/origin/3000/ -- Cheers John. Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb
Re: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting)
It occurs to me that I may have been wrong when I speculated that SCO wants to be bought by IBM. I am starting to think that SCO just wants IBM to support AIX (and pay more royalties). It sounds a lot like IBM is planning to drop AIX, which would hurt SCO. IBM has described its UNIX license as fully paid up - sounds like a lump sum deal. What they would REALLY like are license revenues from IBM's Linux operations. Of course, IBM doesn't actually _distribute_ Linux itself. The comments made by and about Linus Torvalds regarding the difficulty of ensuring that contributed code is free of IP restrictions highlight this. I wonder if this explains why IBM stayed out of the distribution business? -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785 302 803
Re: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting)
I don't think IBM is going to dump AIX for a long time. Linux can't scale vertically as well as any of the commercial Unices. Eventually it probably will, but it will take years before you'll be able to buy a 64 bit version of Redhat loaded on a 64 processor system. -Original Message- From: Phil Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting) It occurs to me that I may have been wrong when I speculated that SCO wants to be bought by IBM. I am starting to think that SCO just wants IBM to support AIX (and pay more royalties). It sounds a lot like IBM is planning to drop AIX, which would hurt SCO. IBM has described its UNIX license as fully paid up - sounds like a lump sum deal. What they would REALLY like are license revenues from IBM's Linux operations. Of course, IBM doesn't actually _distribute_ Linux itself. The comments made by and about Linus Torvalds regarding the difficulty of ensuring that contributed code is free of IP restrictions highlight this. I wonder if this explains why IBM stayed out of the distribution business? -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785 302 803
Re: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting)
You could interpret fully paid up in a couple of different ways I suppose. I think that IBM still pays royalties. At least one statement by SCO indicates that only SUN has a royalty free agreement. They also indicated that SUN has the only clean distribution. Sounds like HP may be the next target. I think that the liability is one reason that IBM stayed out of the distribution business. On the griping hand, it didn't work, did it. -Original Message- From: Phil Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting) It occurs to me that I may have been wrong when I speculated that SCO wants to be bought by IBM. I am starting to think that SCO just wants IBM to support AIX (and pay more royalties). It sounds a lot like IBM is planning to drop AIX, which would hurt SCO. IBM has described its UNIX license as fully paid up - sounds like a lump sum deal. What they would REALLY like are license revenues from IBM's Linux operations. Of course, IBM doesn't actually _distribute_ Linux itself. The comments made by and about Linus Torvalds regarding the difficulty of ensuring that contributed code is free of IP restrictions highlight this. I wonder if this explains why IBM stayed out of the distribution business? -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785 302 803
Re: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting)
will, but it will take years before you'll be able to buy a 64 bit version of Redhat loaded on a 64 processor system. AMD64 version: SuSE Mandrake now, Red Hat real soon now. Rod (just read the article in Linux Format)
Re: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting)
-Original Message- From: Rod Furey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting) will, but it will take years before you'll be able to buy a 64 bit version of Redhat loaded on a 64 processor system. AMD64 version: SuSE Mandrake now, Red Hat real soon now. Rod (just read the article in Linux Format) How many processors do they support?
Re: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting)
How many processors do they support? Oooh - I think that they're up to 8 at the moment. Mind you it's just been released. There's a 64 bit version of the Linux code though. http://www.suse.de/us/company/press/press_releases/archive03/sles_amd64.html Rod
Re: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting)
On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Rod Furey wrote: will, but it will take years before you'll be able to buy a 64 bit version of Redhat loaded on a 64 processor system. AMD64 version: SuSE Mandrake now, Red Hat real soon now. I suspect that AMD64 is really easy to DIY. I think I'd install for an Athlon, build a new kernel and (maybe) glibc. What do you need to do to L/390 to exploit the benefits of a zBox without VM? Rod (just read the article in Linux Format) -- Cheers John. Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb
Re: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting)
On Iau, 2003-06-12 at 14:44, Lionel Dyck wrote: SCO's president and chief executive Darl McBride told Reuters that IBM had until midnight tomorrow to come to an agreement or it would revoke its licence. They've been threating that for a while, and IBM have been saying the license is non-revokable for a similar length of time
Re: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting)
Could it be possibly because by now there is _no_ specifically SVR4 code in AIX? If so, IBM parted company with ATT a while back and it still hasn't got through to the ninnies^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hexecutives at SCO. It is a possibility. Wesley Parish On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:18, you wrote: On Iau, 2003-06-12 at 14:44, Lionel Dyck wrote: SCO's president and chief executive Darl McBride told Reuters that IBM had until midnight tomorrow to come to an agreement or it would revoke its licence. They've been threating that for a while, and IBM have been saying the license is non-revokable for a similar length of time -- Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting)
SCO's president and chief executive Darl McBride told Reuters that IBM had until midnight tomorrow to come to an agreement or it would revoke its licence. They've been threating that for a while, and IBM have been saying the license is non-revokable for a similar length of time Well, there's messing with IBM and there's messing with IBM. This comes in the latter category. One of my colleagues and good friends at Amdahl was their European Corporate Counsel. He defined his job as: a) Not sueing IBM. b) Not being sued by IBM. c) Repeat for the rest of the industry.
Re: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting)
$US1 billion for allegedly using code from SCO Group's Unix platform in AIX, as well as IBM's Linux distribution. IBM's linux distribution, right. If we don't have a resolution by midnight on Friday the 13th, the AIX world will be a different place, An interesting turn of events, kinda sounds like a Friday the 13th movie pitch: Undead monster slashes and burns everything it can, turning your world into their nightmare! that IBM had until midnight tomorrow to come to an agreement or it would revoke its licence. I suppose agreeing to disagree isn't on the table. ~ Daniel --- This message is the property of Time Inc. or its affiliates. It may be legally privileged and/or confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). No addressee should forward, print, copy, or otherwise reproduce this message in any manner that would allow it to be viewed by any individual not originally listed as a recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying or the taking of any action in reliance on the information herein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this message. Thank you.
Re: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting)
This would appear to be the last weak grasp for life of a company with a fatal sickness (inept management). Lionel B. Dyck, Systems Software Lead Kaiser Permanente Information Technology 25 N. Via Monte Ave Walnut Creek, Ca 94598 Phone: (925) 926-5332 (tie line 8/473-5332) E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sametime: (use Lotus Notes address) AIM:lbdyck
Re: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting)
It occurs to me that I may have been wrong when I speculated that SCO wants to be bought by IBM. I am starting to think that SCO just wants IBM to support AIX (and pay more royalties). It sounds a lot like IBM is planning to drop AIX, which would hurt SCO. -Original Message- From: Lionel Dyck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SCO ups the ante (this is getting interesting) From http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,6584026%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html SCO ups ante against IBM Staff writers JUNE 12, 2003 SCO has upped the ante in its Linux/Unix intellectual property litigation, reportedly threatening to revoke IBM's licence to use its software in its own version of Unix, AIX. SCO's president and chief executive Darl McBride told Reuters that IBM had until midnight tomorrow to come to an agreement or it would revoke its licence. Unix distributor SCO announced in March it was suing IBM for more than $US1 billion for allegedly using code from SCO Group's Unix platform in AIX, as well as IBM's Linux distribution. . Lionel B. Dyck, Systems Software Lead Kaiser Permanente Information Technology 25 N. Via Monte Ave Walnut Creek, Ca 94598 Phone: (925) 926-5332 (tie line 8/473-5332) E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sametime: (use Lotus Notes address) AIM:lbdyck
