radio.linux.org.au looking for graphics designer
There must be a ham out there who uses The Gimp on a regular basis... We are looking for a skilled graphics designer, who can give the web interface of our hamsoft database on http://radio.linux.org.au a major facelift. Please reply to this group, or fill out the feedback form at: http://radio.linux.org.au/feedback.phtml Thanks, Joop -- Joop Stakenborg - Debian GNU/Linux developer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --> Woody is as hard as a Frozen Potato? (More woody jokes at http://pa4tu.penguinpowered.com/woody)
Re: no sign of radio.linux.org.au?!
On Tue, Apr 25, 2000 at 12:08:56AM +, Terry Dawson wrote: > Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > > > radio.linux.org.au seems to have disappeared from the DNS! > > Does anyone know where it's gone? I can't remember TerryD's email address. > > Sorry. Yes we're experiencing DNS problems. It's a bit of a cock-up > frankly, our primary failed and that wasn't a good time to discover that > our secondary had never actually been configured! > > We're working on getting it back again, but the Easter weekend isn't > making it easy with people away. No problem, Terry. I discovered a way to access it anyway, not that I recommend it -- since radio.linux.org appears to be a virtual host of www.linux.org.au (which IS in the DNS), I added an entry for radio.linux.org.au to my /etc/hosts with www's IP. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: no sign of radio.linux.org.au?!
Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > radio.linux.org.au seems to have disappeared from the DNS! > Does anyone know where it's gone? I can't remember TerryD's email address. Sorry. Yes we're experiencing DNS problems. It's a bit of a cock-up frankly, our primary failed and that wasn't a good time to discover that our secondary had never actually been configured! We're working on getting it back again, but the Easter weekend isn't making it easy with people away. regards Terry
Re: no sign of radio.linux.org.au?!
On Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 08:56:01PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > radio.linux.org.au seems to have disappeared from the DNS! > Does anyone know where it's gone? I can't remember TerryD's email address. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have cc'd this message to him > > thanks > Hamish > -- > Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Joop -- Joop Stakenborg - Debian GNU/Linux developer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --> Is that a woody distro in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me? (More woody jokes at http://pa4tu.penguinpowered.com/woody)
Re: no sign of radio.linux.org.au?!
This is interesting -- www.arrl.org has disappeared, as well. The last address I saw for Terry Dawson was [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bob On Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 08:56:01PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > radio.linux.org.au seems to have disappeared from the DNS! > Does anyone know where it's gone? I can't remember TerryD's email address. > > > thanks > Hamish > -- > Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Bob Nielsen, N7XY (RN2)[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ DM42nh QRP-L #1985 SOC #77http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen
no sign of radio.linux.org.au?!
radio.linux.org.au seems to have disappeared from the DNS! Does anyone know where it's gone? I can't remember TerryD's email address. thanks Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: radio.linux.org.au
Hi there. >> Can any kind reader tell me if the little goldmine that is >> the radio.linux.org.au box also has an ampr.org 44 network >> address... I can't help with that query... >> ...and if so, is it accessible via the encap wormholes ? ...but that has me curious: What exactly is "the encap wormhole" ? If it's some sort of Ham <=> Internet gateway, how does a licenced ham like me get to use it? Best wishes from Riley GM7GOD / KB8PPG. * Copyright (C) 2000, Memory Alpha Systems. * All rights and wrongs reserved. +--+ | There is something frustrating about the quality and speed of Linux | | development, ie., the quality is too high and the speed is too high, | | in other words, I can implement this feature, but I bet someone | | else has already done so and is just about to release their patch. | +--+ * http://www.memalpha.cx/Linux/Kernel/
Re: radio.linux.org.au
Terry Dawson wrote: > On 11 Dec, Gareth Rowlands wrote: > > Can any kind reader tell me if the little goldmine that is the > > radio.linux.org.au box also has an ampr.org 44 network address, > > and if so, is it accessible via the encap wormholes ? > > It doesn't yet, but I'm seriously considering it, especially if there > is serious demand for it. Terry, I reckon it would be a very worthwhile addition to the site Thanks for all your hard work. Blayne
Re: radio.linux.org.au
On 11 Dec, Gareth Rowlands wrote: > Can any kind reader tell me if the little goldmine that is the > radio.linux.org.au box also has an ampr.org 44 network address, > and if so, is it accessible via the encap wormholes ? It doesn't yet, but I'm seriously considering it, especially if there is serious demand for it. Terry -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
radio.linux.org.au
Can any kind reader tell me if the little goldmine that is the radio.linux.org.au box also has an ampr.org 44 network address, and if so, is it accessible via the encap wormholes ? 73, Gareth. -- http://www.rat.org.uk/
ANNOUNCE: hamsoft, client for radio.linux.org.au
Hamsoft is a reader for new hamradio linux software at radio.linux.org.au.
When you select an entry in the list and click on read, the link will be
opened in a netscape window. Netscape has to be running already.
You need to have gtk and libgtk-perl installed on your system, this comes
with most distributions.
The client will show packages which have been entered in the last month.
Hope you like it.
Joop
--
Joop Stakenborg PA4TU, ex-PA3ABA
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Linux Amateur Radio Software Database
http://radio.linux.org.au
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
#hamsoft, version 0.1.1, Oct 29, 1999
#
# Copyright (c) 1999 Joop Stakenborg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
# This code is distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License.
#
# This is a hacked up script from Alex Shnitman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, who
# wrote 'slashes.pl' for reading slashdot news, I fixed a couple of things
# and wrote support for the hamsoft db.
#
# You need to have gtk and libgtk-perl installed on your system, this comes
# with most distributions.
#
# Hamsoft is a reader for new hamradio linux software at radio.linux.org.au.
# When you select an entry in the list and click on read, the link will be
# opened in a netscape window. Netscape has to be running already.
#
# If you leave the program idle, it will refresh every 'REFRESH_TIMEOUT'
# seconds. You might also have to set the $PROXY string and the path to your
# netscape executable in the configuration section below.
#
# TODO:
# - Make window come up before the connection is made
# - Detect if netscape is running
# - Distribute with debian
#
#Send me your remarks/improvements, I will try to add them!
use Gtk;
init Gtk;
use Socket;
use IO::Handle;
use strict;
Start of configuration ###
# You can tell the script to use a proxy. If $PROXY is empty it will not use
# one. By default the script takes the value of the http_proxy environment
# variable.
my $PROXY = "";
my $PROXYPORT = 0;
if($ENV{http_proxy}) {
$ENV{http_proxy} =~ m$http://(.*?):(.*?)/$;
$PROXY = $1;
$PROXYPORT = $2;
}
# Number of seconds before a refresh is performed.
my $REFRESH_TIMEOUT = 3600;
# Path to netscape executable.
my $BROWSER_CMD = "/usr/X11R6/bin/netscape -remote 'OpenURL(##, new_window)'";
End of configuration #
# $clist and $status hold the references to the Gtk CList holding the
# articles, and the status line which is actually a label. @articles
# holds the URLs of the articles.
my($clist, $status, @articles);
sub MainWindow {
my $mainwin = new Gtk::Window;
$mainwin->set_title("Linux Hamsoft Database");
$mainwin->signal_connect("destroy", \&Gtk::main_quit);
$mainwin->signal_connect("delete_event", \&Gtk::false);
$mainwin->set_usize(640,200);
$mainwin->set_policy(1,1,1);
# vertical box with scrolled window and clist
my $scrolled_win = new Gtk::ScrolledWindow(undef, undef);
$scrolled_win->set_policy('automatic', 'automatic');
my $vbox = new Gtk::VBox(0,5);
$vbox->border_width(5);
$clist = new_with_titles Gtk::CList("Link", "Title", "Version", "Date");
$clist->column_titles_passive;
$clist->set_selection_mode("browse");
$clist->set_column_width(0, 290);
$clist->set_column_width(1, 150);
$clist->set_column_width(2, 65);
$clist->set_column_width(3, 65);
$clist->signal_connect("button_press_event",
sub {
my $event = $_[1];
if ($event->{button} == 2) {
$event->{button} = 1;
Gtk::Gdk::event_put($clist, $event);
}
return 1;
});
$clist->signal_connect("button_release_event",
sub {
my $event = $_[1];
my $button = $event->{button};
my $x = $event->{"x"};
my $y = $event->{"y"};
my ($r, $c) = $clist->get_selection_info($x, $y);
if ($button == 2 && defined $r && defined $c && $r!=-1 && $c!=-1) {
$clist->select_row($r, $c);
&Browse($articles[$clist->selection]);
}
return 1;
});
$scrolled_win->add($clist);
$vbox->pack_start($scrolled_win, 1, 1, 0);
$clist->show;
$scrolled_win->show;
$mainwin->add($vbox);
$vbox->show;
# horixontal box with 3 buttons
my $hbox = new Gtk::HBox(0,0);
my $but;
$but = new_with_label Gtk::Button(" Refresh ");
$but-&
Re: radio.linux.org.au
On 7 Aug, Riley Williams wrote: > > Quick apology on my part - it's not you that's the problem... That's ok. > Not with that 25-27 second lag en route, no... There are some things we can do to make life a little easier though. We can muck with some http headers that relate to proxy/cache behaviour. I'll think about what might be some good settings. Terry -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: radio.linux.org.au
Just for the record, your site refreshes with 4-5 seconds here in the US. Nice Job Dennis A. Lauzon (kd1ca) North East TCP Association / Vice President IP Address Coordinator 44.56/16 44.44/16 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: radio.linux.org.au
Hi Terry. >> One obvious reason would be to make it more attractive to people >> using it, as many people give up on a site that regularly times >> out on them. I've so far tried three times, and each time, you >> time out on me!!! Since I don't get to set the timeout - that's >> built into the proxy we are forced to use - you are effectively >> closed to me... > What sort of timeout are you experiencing? Your proxy is timing > out? Quick apology on my part - it's not you that's the problem... I just did a traceroute to radio.linux.org.au and it shows horrible transit times earlier in the route, and that's clearly where the transit times are... Here's a summary... 1. From me, across ja.net and through above.net to 202.61.200.62 (fe0-0.core0.paix.paradox.net.au) takes between 160 and 180 ms. No problems there. That's 12 steps. 2. The next two steps are shown as "* * *" so I can't comment on them. 3. Step 16 is hssi3-0.1.core0.per.paradox.net.au (202.61.225.234) and is showing times in the 25000-27000 ms range (25-27 SECONDS) so there's obviously problems by this stage. I then get three more rows of "* * *" followed by 203.27.235.254 (per-border-gw1.wantree.com.au) then karatewa.wantree.com.au and finally digital.linux.org.au at step 22... > The page takes single digit seconds to generate. I doubt the > timeouts have much to do with the page being generated > dynamically. > A complete, uncached refresh takes about 6 seconds from request > to completion of rendering here, via a 33k6bps dialup and 10 > network hops. > It's safe to assume that the dynamic building of the page is > completed well within the 6 seconds. Do you think saving a > couple of seconds is going to make much difference? Not with that 25-27 second lag en route, no... > What are your network latency times like to the server? See above... Best wishes from Riley. +--+ | There is something frustrating about the quality and speed of Linux | | development, ie., the quality is too high and the speed is too high, | | in other words, I can implement this feature, but I bet someone | | else has already done so and is just about to release their patch. | +--+ * ftp://ftp.MemAlpha.cx/pub/rhw/Linux * http://www.MemAlpha.cx/kernel.versions.html
Re: radio.linux.org.au
On Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 09:45:04AM +0100, Riley Williams wrote: > > One obvious reason would be to make it more attractive to people using > it, as many people give up on a site that regularly times out on them. > I've so far tried three times, and each time, you time out on me!!! > Since I don't get to set the timeout - that's built into the proxy we > are forced to use - you are effectively closed to me... What sort of timeout are you experiencing? Your proxy is timing out? The page takes single digit seconds to generate. I doubt the timeouts have much to do with the page being generated dynamically. A complete, uncached refresh takes about 6 seconds from request to completion of rendering here, via a 33k6bps dialup and 10 network hops. It's safe to assume that the dynamic building of the page is completed well within the 6 seconds. Do you think saving a couple of seconds is going to make much difference? What are your network latency times like to the server? regards Terry -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: radio.linux.org.au
Hi Terry. >> It looks like that the default php3 page queries to the mySQL >> engine for New Software... (checking the date i guess!) every >> time the page is asked... is that right? > yes, that is correct. >> It will be a good idea to have the first page as a static one >> and updated with a crontab or every time that new software >> appears into the database... i will be very please to write some >> PHP3 code if it is needed... > Why would we want to do that? One obvious reason would be to make it more attractive to people using it, as many people give up on a site that regularly times out on them. I've so far tried three times, and each time, you time out on me!!! Since I don't get to set the timeout - that's built into the proxy we are forced to use - you are effectively closed to me... Best wishes from Riley. +--+ | There is something frustrating about the quality and speed of Linux | | development, ie., the quality is too high and the speed is too high, | | in other words, I can implement this feature, but I bet someone | | else has already done so and is just about to release their patch. | +--+ * ftp://ftp.MemAlpha.cx/pub/rhw/Linux * http://www.MemAlpha.cx/kernel.versions.html
Re: radio.linux.org.au
On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 12:20:18PM +0200, alberto escudero wrote: > It looks like that the default php3 page queries to the mySQL engine for New >Software... (checking the date i guess!) > every time the page is asked... is that right? yes, that is correct. > It will be a good idea to have the first page as a static one and updated with a >crontab or every time that new > software appears into the database... i will be very please to write some PHP3 code >if it is needed... Why would we want to do that? > I also agree with Julian comments to include docs into the database... One thing at a time. Terry -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: radio.linux.org.au
Each time that http://radio.linux.org.au main page is downloaded i guess that a query to the mySQL database is made... It looks like that the default php3 page queries to the mySQL engine for New Software... (checking the date i guess!) every time the page is asked... is that right? It will be a good idea to have the first page as a static one and updated with a crontab or every time that new software appears into the database... i will be very please to write some PHP3 code if it is needed... Hard work have been done and i do not want my comments look like i am asking you to do it... i am just offering to help if it is needed...;-) I also agree with Julian comments to include docs into the database... Thanks again to those that have been involved in the Linux Amateur Radio Database for this work for the community Alberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] EB4GLO
Re: radio.linux.org.au
Joop Stakenborg said: > How the heck do I grep for '_' in a filename? > find . -name '*_*' - Craig -- Craig Small VK2XLZ, PGP: AD 8D D8 63 6E BF C3 C7 47 41 B1 A2 1F 46 EC 90 Eye-Net Consulting http://www.eye-net.com.au/ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIEEE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Debian developer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: radio.linux.org.au
On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 10:57:40AM +0300, Tomi Manninen OH2BNS wrote: > Hi! > > Am I the only one that gets an error message when trying to look at the > package description: > > 1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax near '§pat=packet' at line 1 > Warning: 0 is not a MySQL result index in /home/pa4tu/radio/pkgdetail.phtml on >line 22 > > Manually changing the '§' in the URL to a '&' fixes th problem. A typo > somewhere? > Hmm, don't see it here... Don't see any strange characters in pkgdetail.phtml. Tomi, do you see this with every package? How the heck do I grep for '§' in a filename? > -- > --- Tomi Manninen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / OH2BNS @ OH2RBI.FIN.EU --- > Joop -- Joop Stakenborg PA4TU, ex-PA3ABA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Linux Amateur Radio Software Database http://radio.linux.org.au
RE: radio.linux.org.au
On Thu, 5 Aug 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > is § a defined SGML/HTML entity? I'm betting if we renamed the > > variable to something else it wouldn't happen. > > > > I'm betting also it's a browser bug. That would make sense. My dictionary describes § as section mark... Clearly a browser bug. > Try it now, I reordered the variables so § doesn't appear. > If my hunch is correct it will work ok now. Works fine now. Thanks! -- --- Tomi Manninen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / OH2BNS @ OH2RBI.FIN.EU ---
RE: radio.linux.org.au
On Thu, 5 Aug 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > is § a defined SGML/HTML entity? Yep. From my HTML reference, § is § and displays as § > I'm betting also it's a browser bug. I'd agree. Andrew, G8FSL -- Andrew Benham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nortel Networks Plc, London Road, Harlow, Essex CM17 9NA, United Kingdom Tel: +44 1279 402372Fax: +44 1279 405746 I speak for myself, my views are not necessarily the views of Nortel Networks or any other corporation.
RE: radio.linux.org.au
On 5 Aug, To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > is § a defined SGML/HTML entity? I'm betting if we renamed the > variable to something else it wouldn't happen. > > I'm betting also it's a browser bug. Try it now, I reordered the variables so § doesn't appear. If my hunch is correct it will work ok now. Terry -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: radio.linux.org.au
On 5 Aug, Tomi Manninen OH2BNS wrote: > Hmm... It seems to be dependent on he browser version. Just tested with > Nescape 4.61 (Linux) and viewing the document source (the first item on > the first page): > > 7plus/FBB > > This link works without any problems. But with Netscape 3.04 Gold (HP-UX): > > 7plus/FBB I wonder if it is a browser bug? I'm thinking that the browser is mistakenly translating: § into that funny squiggly character .. is § a defined SGML/HTML entity? I'm betting if we renamed the variable to something else it wouldn't happen. I'm betting also it's a browser bug. Terry -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: radio.linux.org.au
On 5 Aug, Tomi Manninen OH2BNS wrote: > Am I the only one that gets an error message when trying to look at the > package description: You're the second person to report this. What browser are you using? Terry -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: radio.linux.org.au
On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, BBAGGER wrote: > I didn't get it when I looked at PB/PG for Linux. Hmm... It seems to be dependent on he browser version. Just tested with Nescape 4.61 (Linux) and viewing the document source (the first item on the first page): 7plus/FBB This link works without any problems. But with Netscape 3.04 Gold (HP-UX): 7plus/FBB This gives the error I mentioned before. I don't know what's going on but maybe this can be fixed somewhere...? Other than that radio.linux.org.au looks very nice! Thanks Joop and Terry. -- --- Tomi Manninen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / OH2BNS @ OH2RBI.FIN.EU ---
RE: radio.linux.org.au
I didn't get it when I looked at PB/PG for Linux. Best 73 de Bent/OZ6BL -Original Message- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 5. august 1999 10:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: radio.linux.org.au Hi! Am I the only one that gets an error message when trying to look at the package description: 1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'ºpat=packet' at line 1 Warning: 0 is not a MySQL result index in /home/pa4tu/radio/pkgdetail.phtml on line 22 Manually changing the 'º' in the URL to a '&' fixes th problem. A typo somewhere? -- --- Tomi Manninen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / OH2BNS @ OH2RBI.FIN.EU ---
Re: radio.linux.org.au
Tomi Manninen OH2BNS wrote: > > Hi! > > Am I the only one that gets an error message when trying to look at the > package description: > > 1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax near '§pat=packet' at line 1 > Warning: 0 is not a MySQL result index in /home/pa4tu/radio/pkgdetail.phtml on >line 22 > > Manually changing the '§' in the URL to a '&' fixes th problem. A typo > somewhere? > > -- > --- Tomi Manninen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / OH2BNS @ OH2RBI.FIN.EU --- I just browsed through the site but did _not_ get any errors. 73, Arno pe1icq
radio.linux.org.au
Hi! Am I the only one that gets an error message when trying to look at the package description: 1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax near '§pat=packet' at line 1 Warning: 0 is not a MySQL result index in /home/pa4tu/radio/pkgdetail.phtml on line 22 Manually changing the '§' in the URL to a '&' fixes th problem. A typo somewhere? -- --- Tomi Manninen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / OH2BNS @ OH2RBI.FIN.EU ---
RE: radio.linux.org.au and AX25-HOWTO and software licenses and getwith it for goodness sake.
Well, since my email address was left in Terry's response, I think I owe the list at least an explanation of my position. My position was simple confusion, based on many postings to the list, reading the current docs, etc. I fully understand how the GPL works, I do software development on a daily basis using GPL software, tools, OSes, etc, and agree with Terry in what he's said. My confusion was purely logical - the Howtos are GPL'd so I didn't understand why Terry would have problems with someone wanting to help out. All I did was ask a question, maybe too short and it could possibly be confrontational, but that's why the emoticon was added to the end - hopefully to show that it wasn't flamebait! I am interested in updating the AX.25 Howto. I can do parts of it, but not all - there's just a wide variety of tools that can be used, and I don't know how Terry managed to cover it all in the first place. Terry spoke volumes, not just about Linux-Hams, but for amateur radio as well - all the reasons why I don't attend club meetings, RACES/ARES anymore. It's the same story - show up to a few meetings, introduce yourself to some people, and then pretty much be ignored for the rest. Happens a lot! Don't know if it's my age, gender or hair color, it just happens. Gone are the days of Elmering, etc. I just wanted to make things straight and hopefully I have. 73 .mark Mark Schoonover KA6WKEIS Manager Trail Runner,HAM[EMAIL PROTECTED] ka6wke@wb6dgr.#sca.ca.usa.noam http://www.qsl.net/ka6wke ka6wke-1 145.05 Mobile: 146.52 & 28.470 Long: 32.85380 Lat: -117.00980 Grid: DM12LU = >On 12 Jul, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Wow! Does this offer include updating the AX25 Howto?? :) > >(Not a personally directed messsage, just a general gripe) > > ... snipped .. > >
RE: radio.linux.org.au and AX25-HOWTO and software licenses and get with it for goodness sake.
Dear Terry, I have been following the chatter regarding the AX25-HOWTO, and I've been wondering why there was this perceived "problem" with updates, etc. To say the least, I've been surprised at some of the comments regarding this issue. I just want say that your remarks on this issue could not be better stated! Thank you for spending your time constructing a reasoned response that integrates the GPL concept into what Amateur Radio should be all about. Best Wishes, Dave On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > You know, one of the things that annoys me most about the Amateur > Radio community is that it has almost zero appreciation of one of the > key factors behind the success of Linux - licensing. The AX25-HOWTO is > covered by the GPL, I made that decision, and I made it on purpose. I > wasn't a lamb following behind everybody else, I used the GPL because I > believed it was the appropriate license to use. > etc > > > Terry > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
RE: radio.linux.org.au and AX25-HOWTO and software licenses and get with it for goodness sake.
>On 12 Jul, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Wow! Does this offer include updating the AX25 Howto?? :) > >(Not a personally directed messsage, just a general gripe) > > snip...snip >Terry > >-- >[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the spirit of Terry's "rant" I have attached a couple of files which some will find interesting and useful.These files have come about just through learning the hardway i.e. " have a go ". When installing ax25 I did not wish to utilise the rc files as in the event of a stuffup wud make it that much harder.So I just started up a bash file initially and got each bit up and running then started the next bit.So the attached file " ax25run " is the result. I also wished to shut the ax26 system down gracefully so " ax25fini " was the result. Both files are continually being modified as I alter or modify the system ( of course I keep an emergency floppy in case I really stuff things up ). AX25FINI AX25RUN Have a G'day Regards John vk3bcq e-mail:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] snail mail:- J.D.Bird,136 Railway Crescent,Dallas,Vic,Australia,3047 phone:- (03) 9309-5613
Re: radio.linux.org.au and AX25-HOWTO and software licenses and get with it for goodness sake.
Well said, Terry! ...from a non programmer, desperately trying to learn. Ian (ve3iem) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 8:41 PM Subject: RE: radio.linux.org.au and AX25-HOWTO and software licenses and get with it for goodness sake. >On 12 Jul, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Wow! Does this offer include updating the AX25 Howto?? :) > >(Not a personally directed messsage, just a general gripe) > > >You know, one of the things that annoys me most about the Amateur >Radio community > .snip. >Terry > >-- >[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >
RE: radio.linux.org.au and AX25-HOWTO and software licenses and get with it for goodness sake.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > ... lots clipped ... > Great rant Terry ;-) -- John Melton n6lyt/g0orx (( (|~~| `--' JAVA
RE: radio.linux.org.au and AX25-HOWTO and software licenses and get with it for goodness sake.
On 12 Jul, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Wow! Does this offer include updating the AX25 Howto?? :) (Not a personally directed messsage, just a general gripe) You know, one of the things that annoys me most about the Amateur Radio community is that it has almost zero appreciation of one of the key factors behind the success of Linux - licensing. The AX25-HOWTO is covered by the GPL, I made that decision, and I made it on purpose. I wasn't a lamb following behind everybody else, I used the GPL because I believed it was the appropriate license to use. The GPL allows you to take the work, use it for whatever you will, modify it, redistribute it. If anybody has ever wanted to do that with the AX25-HOWTO, they always could have, they don't need to seek my permission, I have already granted it for goodness sake. If the ham community were even half as smart as the majority of the Linux community, amateur radio would be growing, not dying. Just working on the software database has been almost enough to put me off it completely. Just take a look at the variety of licenses with all sorts of arbitrary restrictions on use, redistribution etc. Software developers: if you want your software used, then use an open license that allows people to contribute to it. Can any of you imagine what Linux would be like if its license were something like "Computer Hacker use only, no commercial use, redistribute only in original form". Gad, barely any of you would even be here to discuss it if it had. Linux is about "just doing it". Don't talk about it, do it. Do something, anything, just don't whinge/whine/complain. Contribute, add, suggest, modify, plan, write, give .. The community isn't here for your benefit, people do things because they want to do them for their own reasons, you should do the same. If you don't like the way something works then find a way of making it work the way you want, or find a replacement. It's all survival of the fittest. DO DO DO. It isn't good enough to say you're not a programer, or not a this or not a that. Do you guys sit on your local repeater saying things like "Gee, I wish someone would come around and give me a better antenna, I don't know anything about antennas", or "Gee, I can't help out with installing the clubs new repeater because I don't know anything about repeaters" ? Of course not. You know damn well that you can learn if you want to. Linux/Computers are no different to soldering irons or pliers in the shack. They're just tools that assist you in doing amateur radio. To get any benefit from it you need to learn how to use the tool. The best way to learn is to DO. Some idea for people who want to actually help: - Learn shell script. There are heaps of useful things that could be done in shell script such as scripts to assist in the configuration of the ax25-utils for example, or other major pieces of software. There are small scripts that could be usefully deployed and used behind Tomi's node software for example. - Write some updates to existing documentation and send them off to whoever owns the document. At no time has anyone ever actually submitted an update to the AX25-HOWTO to me. If you know what needs updating in the HOWTO but don't want to involve yourself in teh nitty-gritty of dealing with SGML or the LDP then write the changes that are required and send them to me, or didn't you read that bit in the HOWTO? - Write some new documentation. Just a plain text file is heaps better than nothing as you all no doubt well know. That piece of plain text could be written by you. - Test software. Take a piece of software that interests you. Use it and document, simply, the troubles you have with it and email that to the *author* of the software. Don't send bug reports to this list, authors are probably too damn busy to read lists like this, they're probably already on bundles of others and life is short. Make sure you include relevant details like the version of the software you are using, the name and version of the Linux distribution you are running the software on, and cut'n'pasted sections showing the errors or problems you encountered. - Suggest ideas for new software or documentation. Convince others to help you in working on it and produce them. I'm sure there are lots of people on the list wanting to do something but just don't have the ideas that you might have. Your suggested idea might inspire someone to do something useful. - Learn about licensing, now theres an interesting idea. Go read the GPL, think about what it means and why it is like it is. Go read about OpenSource licensing and why it is like it is. Consider the differences. Then convince the authors of the software you like of the benefits to them and all of us, or them changing their licensing terms to something more free and open. - Package software for Debian, RedHat, SuSE, . If you want Linux used for amateur radio then make it easy for your peers. Put in some effort and help with packaging the
Re: radio.linux.org.au
On Mon, Jul 12, 1999 at 12:10:04PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Wow! Does this offer include updating the AX25 Howto?? :) Absolutely, if someone wants to take over the AX25-HOWTO, they're welcome to it. Terry -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: radio.linux.org.au
Wow! Does this offer include updating the AX25 Howto?? :) 73 .mark >-- >From: Terry Dawson[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Sunday, July 11, 1999 10:41 PM >To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: radio.linux.org.au > >On Thu, Jul 08, 1999 at 08:38:45PM -0400, Benedict P. Barszcz wrote: > >> A new ham software database has been up for a few days now. It is to >>replace >> www.casema.net which served its porpose quite well. Personally I must say >>that >> the new one is a far cry from what on casema server we were offerred. > >and just as soon as we finish it we'll announce it, then people can have >a look. What you've seen is about 20 minutes work, give us a chance. >Joop probably doesn't even know I've built the backend yet. > >Put up or shut up. If you think you can do better, then DO BETTER, keep >your pointless criticism to yourself. > >Terry > >-- >[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: radio.linux.org.au
On Thu, Jul 08, 1999 at 08:38:45PM -0400, Benedict P. Barszcz wrote: > A new ham software database has been up for a few days now. It is to replace > www.casema.net which served its porpose quite well. Personally I must say that > the new one is a far cry from what on casema server we were offerred. and just as soon as we finish it we'll announce it, then people can have a look. What you've seen is about 20 minutes work, give us a chance. Joop probably doesn't even know I've built the backend yet. Put up or shut up. If you think you can do better, then DO BETTER, keep your pointless criticism to yourself. Terry -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: radio.linux.org.au
On Fri, 09 Jul 1999, Joop Stakenborg wrote: > Tell us more. Where did you get it? What is it. Here is some information on what WDBI is: --- WDBI stands for 'Web DataBase Interface'. WDBI is a program written in Perl that lets you use a Web browser to interact with a database. You can search your data, enter new data, and update or delete existing data using your favorite Web browser. WDBI is built on top of other Perl modules written specifically for the database you want to use. The master database interface controller is called DBI. DBI controls a variety of database drivers that let you use Perl programs to hit against your favorite database. The database drivers are called DBD::mysql, DBD::Sybase, DBD::Postgres, etc. The idea is to let programmers write database programs once that can be used against any database that has a Perl DBD module to support it. Databases Supported: MySQL Sybase mSQL 1,2 PostgreSQL Oracle (coming soon!) Informix (coming soon!) The above can be found here: http://www.wdbi.net/ Dbengine is easier to install. Like I said, it worked for me out of the box. Here is an exerpt from postgres-howto: -- 14.2 WWW Web interface for PostgresSQL - DBENGINE dbengine a plug 'n play Web interface for PostgreSQL created by Ingo Ciechowski. It is at http://www.cis-computer.com/dbengine/ About DBENGINE : dbengine is an interface between the WWW and Postgres95 which provides simple access to any existing database within just a few minutes. Hope it helps. kb2qzv
Re: radio.linux.org.au
On Thu, Jul 08, 1999 at 08:38:45PM -0400, Benedict P. Barszcz wrote: > Hi, > A new ham software database has been up for a few days now. It is to replace > www.casema.net which served its porpose quite well. Personally I must say that > the new one is a far cry from what on casema server we were offerred. > It looks ugly and is unreadable. I don't want to descourage the authors, who > kill themselves doing stuff for us, but if things remain the way they are now > then we are doomed to total failure: out of date ax25how-to, liquidation of > ham-how-to and ugly software database. Jee, is this a kind of alien aggression > on the ham community or what? > Let's wait a while and see what will happen. The site is up for only a few days now. I am sure it will improve! Like you say, people kill themselves doing stuff for the hamradio community. You cannot expect to get what you want 100% of the time. We do this in our spare time. Maybe you would like to pay one of us, to get all this work finished? Or maybe you would like to spend some of YOUR spare time and start working on something? > Anyway, I grabbed WDBI, installed it. And felt so elated to see my database > look like a bird. You can update, delete, insert remotely. Perhaps this would > be the way? > > Also, I got dbengine and it looked even prettier than WDBI. It is a web > interface to many database engines. It uses perl and DBI, DBD drivers. More > importantly, it worked out of the box! > Tell us more. Where did you get it? What is it. > Unfortunately I am not a database expert:- > Neither am I. Neither is terry. But at least he found the courage to start learning about it and he even got something going now. I say he did very well ! > > kb2qzv > Joop -- Joop Stakenborg PA4TU, ex-PA3ABA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Linux Hamradio Applications and Utilities Homepage http://www.casema.net/~aba
radio.linux.org.au
Hi, A new ham software database has been up for a few days now. It is to replace www.casema.net which served its porpose quite well. Personally I must say that the new one is a far cry from what on casema server we were offerred. It looks ugly and is unreadable. I don't want to descourage the authors, who kill themselves doing stuff for us, but if things remain the way they are now then we are doomed to total failure: out of date ax25how-to, liquidation of ham-how-to and ugly software database. Jee, is this a kind of alien aggression on the ham community or what? Anyway, I grabbed WDBI, installed it. And felt so elated to see my database look like a bird. You can update, delete, insert remotely. Perhaps this would be the way? Also, I got dbengine and it looked even prettier than WDBI. It is a web interface to many database engines. It uses perl and DBI, DBD drivers. More importantly, it worked out of the box! Unfortunately I am not a database expert:- kb2qzv
