Linux-Hardware Digest #737

2001-05-07 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Hardware Digest #737, Volume #14Mon, 7 May 01 09:13:13 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com  (J.Teo)
  Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com  (Cobalt 
servers)? (Mike N)
  Re: ProSavage PM133 (Tim Roberts)
  Re: Framegrabber recommendations? (Louis Boyd)
  Re: how to use MOD (Magneto Optical) drive under redhat 7.0? (Dave Stanton)
  Re: Onboard video and eMachines (larry)
  Re: CONFIG_USB_UHCI vs. CONFIG_USB_UHCI_ALT (a.k.a. JE) (Kenneth Rørvik)
  Webcam ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: CONFIG_USB_UHCI vs. CONFIG_USB_UHCI_ALT (a.k.a. JE) (Georg Acher)
  Ethernet PCMCIA Adapter (Martin Strasser)
  Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com  (Cobalt 
servers)? (C. Newport)
  Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com   (Cobalt 
servers)? (Harri Haataja)
  Buffalo LPC4-TX pcmcia nic (Nick De Roeck)
  Re: No logitech mouse works with any distribution of linux... (Harri Haataja)
  ELSA Microlink Modem (sfer)
  Re: digital camera (Jef Peeraer)
  Re: CONFIG_USB_UHCI vs. CONFIG_USB_UHCI_ALT (a.k.a. JE) (Kenneth Rørvik)
  Re: BP6 + Mandrake + reboot problem (Jonadab the Unsightly One)
  where are the modem settings held? (stevek)



From: J.Teo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com 
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 05:18:10 GMT


 There are a lot of cool things happening in Linux, and Sun is right to
 realise it should get involved and make use of these things. After all
 the Linux sparc port has been around a while and people like me are
 scooping up old Sun equipment to run it on because we know it's going to
 be much better than on a PC, and much cheaper than Solaris!

Would you be kind enough to explain to me why buying old Sun equipment and
putting Linux on it would make it cheaper than Solaris?

--

From: Mike N [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com  
(Cobalt servers)?
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 05:28:49 GMT

On Mon, 07 May 2001 01:03:53 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip
Brown) wrote:

On Mon, 07 May 2001 01:28:28 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
As for your question about why they didn't start producing Cobalts with
sparc processors, well maybe the writing is on the wall for the
traditional sparc OS[...blah blah]

the reason is because intel hardware is cheaper, and one of the main
selling points about cobalt boxes is that they are CHEAP.

I recently spoke to a fellow at ISPCON whose title at Sun/Cobalt is
Evangelism Manager (Kick ass title IMHO!) His take is that the
switch to x86 hardware is due to the more readily available base of
code for the x86 arch. The MIPS arch. while very good performing has
to have the code ported to it which costs time and money in the
development department. So why reinvent the wheel? So the descision
was made to go to X86.

Sigh.


[yes, I know they used to be MIPS based. same reason; they got a good
 deal on the processor they needed. but now it is more cost-effective
 to use intel hardware]

Mike N


--

From: Tim Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: jaring.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: ProSavage PM133
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 22:30:44 -0700

goolias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,all
For those having problems with ProSavage PM133
( Pro Savage KM133 is for Athlon system ) built in VGA in Via
chipset, goto download driver from www.s3graphics.com
( I can't find this url registered in google, however it really exist )
it's s3savage-1.0-13.tar.gz, those listed in s3 nextmill site doesn't work
for me until this driver ( in s3 nextmill it was in earlier version 1.0-6 )

The most recent version is 1.1.15, and is downloadable from
http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html.  

However, I can get it start in 640x480 16 bppmode only, I can get it work
in 800x600 16 bpp.

You should be able to get whatever fits in the memory you've allocated to
graphics.
--
- Tim Roberts, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Providenza  Boekelheide, Inc.

--

From: Louis Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Framegrabber recommendations?
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 06:14:44 +

Steve Snyder wrote:
 
   Hello.
 
 I am looking for hardware/software advice for a framegrabber in Linux.
 While I am very familiar with Linux, I know roughly zero about
 framegrabbing.  Since I am just getting my feet wet, I'm looking for a
 simple setup, just a cheap parallel-port-based color camera and the
 software to use with it.  (Yes, I'm sure USB would be better, but this old
 machine lacks a USB port.  It does have an ECP parallel port, though.)
 
 I don't care about 

Linux-Hardware Digest #738

2001-05-07 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Hardware Digest #738, Volume #14Mon, 7 May 01 14:13:08 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com   (Cobalt 
servers)? (C. Newport)
  Re: ELSA Microlink Modem (Chris Howells)
  Re: NEC 3.5 1.2MB Floppy support (Jonadab the Unsightly One)
  Re: Pentium I 133 +32 MB enough ? (Jonadab the Unsightly One)
  RH 7.0 + Maestro.o +USB on Toshiba Laptop (Charlene Hanselman)
  Re: kppp problems... (Jonadab the Unsightly One)
  Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com  (Cobalt 
servers)? (Harri Haataja)
  Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com   (Cobalt 
servers)? (Harri Haataja)
  Re: ASUS A7M266 motherboard incompatible? (Jonadab the Unsightly One)
  Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com  (Mathew 
Kirsch)
  Backing up Windows on Linux (Steve Smith)
  Help... terminal server (Ramesh K)
  VIA 686B bug fix (jay)
  Re: High availability webserver (Jonadab the Unsightly One)
  Re: High availability webserver (Jonadab the Unsightly One)
  Re: newbie Req: PCI Audio Vortex on Mandrake 7.2 (Francisco Galvan)
  Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com  (Cobalt 
servers)? (Abe Lian)
  reiserfs for new kernel (Homer)
  Sound Blaster 16 PCI (Marc Rosen)
  Re: linux kernel 2.2.12 and DAC-960 (Steve Wolfe)
  Re: reiserfs for new kernel (Kwan Lowe)
  Re: Backing up Windows on Linux (Kwan Lowe)



From: C. Newport [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com   
(Cobalt servers)?
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 14:11:54 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Harri Haataja wrote:
 
 Sriranga Veeraraghavan wrote:
 
 If you are interested in an alternative OS on older Sun hardware, I
 would recommend you try either NetBSD or OpenBSD instead of Linux.
 
 In my personal experience, having run Sparc-Linux on everything from
 an IPC to a Ultra1, Sparc-Linux is not nearly as stable or fast as the
 BSDs. Things may have changed now, but it used to be quite difficult
 to get stable kernels and glibc's on Sparc-Linux. About the only
 reason I know of to choose Sparc-Linux over one of the BSDs is SMP
 support.
 
 This has been the case ages ago. Unfortunately it's really hard to
 find a recent distribution that easily installs on sparcs. N/O BSD's
 works fairly nicely.

Take a look at http://www.slackware.com/ for a decent Sparc linux
which runs OK on anything from an IPC to an Ultra.
No bloat, 96Mb iso image.

-- 
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm
not sure about the universe.  [Albert Einstein].

--

From: Chris Howells [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ELSA Microlink Modem
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 14:13:03 +0100

sfer wrote:

 I try different things, linmodem driver etc but not work

If the Linmodem driver doesn't work then it looks like it's time to buy
a proper modem. Soft-modems are in effect nothing more than a glorified
sound card.

-- 
Chris Howells 
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 93699029
Web: http://www.chowells.uklinux.net

--

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonadab the Unsightly One)
Subject: Re: NEC 3.5 1.2MB Floppy support
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 13:34:03 GMT

Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a NEC FD1231T 3.5 floppy disk drive (mode 3)
 using 1.2MB diskettes. Does the Linux (RedHat 7, Kernel v2.2.17)
 support this kind of disk drives?

Are you *certain* about the disk size?  1.2MB diskettes
are usually 5.25 (the kind that are _visibly_ floppy).
3.5 diskettes are normally the kind with the stiff case,
and they generally come in 720K and 1.4M sizes.  

- jonadab

--

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonadab the Unsightly One)
Subject: Re: Pentium I 133 +32 MB enough ?
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 13:44:27 GMT

Johan Kullstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 32MB is enough to run X, a reasonable sized window manager like
 fvwm-1.24r, and emacs.  netscape is a hog, but it will run ok too.

The original poster asked about KDE.  Older versions of KDE
can run with 32MB of RAM (as long as you give them some swap
space), but KDE2 prefers to have more, or there'll be a lot
of swapping going on.  

I don't know which version of KDE comes with any particular
release of SUSE.  I know that Mandrake 7.1 uses the older
(smaller) KDE, but Mandrake 7.2 uses the newer (bigger)
KDE2, which likes to have more RAM.  

I *have* run KDE2 with as little as 16MB of RAM, given 
adequate swap space; however, it's quite sluggish.  

Gnome's memory requirements are at least as great as KDE2.

fvwm, of course, doesn't consume as much.

Adding big apps on top, like WINE or StarOffice, increases 
the memory requirements substantially, which is why they're 
asking what apps you intent to use.

- 

Linux-Hardware Digest #739

2001-05-07 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Hardware Digest #739, Volume #14Mon, 7 May 01 19:13:05 EDT

Contents:
  lilo version 21.7.5 update (John in SD)
  Re: Supported largest IDE hd size? (rascal)
  Re: Backing up Windows on Linux (Juergen Sauer)
  Re: reiserfs for new kernel (Homer)
  Linux  AMD--from LHD (Tim)
  Re: Backing up Windows on Linux (Steve Smith)
  Re: Networking -- switches vs hubs ?? (Jonadab the Unsightly One)
  Re: reiserfs for new kernel (Bjørn T Johansen)
  Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com   (Jim 
Wallis)
  Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com   (Jim 
Wallis)
  Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com  (Jim Wallis)
  Re: reiserfs for new kernel (Chris Howells)
  Re: Gilat 360 Satellite Modem (freedman)
  Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com   (Jim 
Wallis)
  Re: Webcam (Peter)
  Re: Webcam (olgnuby)
  Re: Backing up Windows on Linux (Brett I. Holcomb)
  Re: Backing up Windows on Linux (Kwan Lowe)
  Re: reiserfs for new kernel (BetrOffDed)



From: John in SD [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: lilo version 21.7.5 update
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 18:34:09 GMT

LILO release 21.7.5 is based upon Werner Almesberger's LILO version 21.

Version 21.7.5 is a bugfix release.

Version 21.7 adds support for higher serial line rates.

Version 21.6 is an upgrade for users of the Reiser File System, and adds
new diagnostic capabilities.  Internal changes allow booting kernels with
larger real-mode setup codes (2.4.0 and later).

Source code is available for download from:

   ftp://brun.dyndns.org/pub/linux/lilo  (developer's site)

Or from the main distribution site:

   ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/boot/lilo(please use)


See the distribution file 'CHANGES' for details of the differences between
21.7.5 and prior releases.


--John Coffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]


LILO version 21.7 (24-Feb-2001) source at
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/system/boot/lilo
patches to -2 at ftp://brun.dyndns.org/pub/linux/lilo

--

From: rascal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Supported largest IDE hd size?
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 18:44:05 GMT

As far as I know, linux now is capable of  tera-byte drives even though they
do not exist.

rascal


Axel Roehken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 I have 2 Maxtor hard disk each with 81 GB up and running.

 a.

 NTK wrote:

  What is the supported largest IDE harddrive size in the current linux
  2.2.x?
 
  THanks
 
  --
  Posted via CNET Help.com
  http://www.help.com/




--

From: Juergen Sauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Backing up Windows on Linux
Date: 7 May 2001 17:29:21 GMT

Steve Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb
am Mon, 07 May 2001 09:14:06 -0500 in comp.os.linux.hardware:

 This seemed like an obvious idea until I got to the part about file
 names with spaces, like My Documents.

 I want to write a script to back up all the directories *except* certain
 ones, like Windows and Recycled. I'm using ls to generate a list of file
 names, and tar tries to interpret My Documents as two file names,
 neither of which exist.

 I can figure out some hard ways to do this; anyone know any easy ones?

http://www.arkeia.com
Not a script, but a complete and customizeable backup solution.
mfG
Jojo

-- 
Jürgen Sauer - AutomatiX GmbH, +49-4209-4699, [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
** Das Linux Systemhaus - Service - Support - Server - Lösungen **
http://www.automatix.de to Mail me: remove: -not-for-spawm- **

--

From: Homer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: reiserfs for new kernel
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 21:22:00 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Kwan Lowe wrote:

 Homer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Dear newsreaders,
  I am woking on a new kernel for a machine on reiserfs.
  I could'nt find the option for reiserfs in menuconfig, I found this one
  with xconfig only the text was grey, now I need to find the option (?)
  to open the reiserfs option.
  Does anyone know wich one this must be?
 
 If you are using a stock 2.2.x kernel you'll need to patch the ReiserFS
 stuff. To do this, grab the patches from
 http://www.namesys.com/download.html. Run the patch by cd'ing to
 /usr/src/linux and type patch -p1  /patch-file.
 Replace patch-file with the actual file you downloaded.  Then you can do
 the make config and see it under the filesystem options.
 
 Kernel 2.4 already has ReiserFS included.

Thanks. No I'am working an a 2.4.4 kernel and I can't fin the option
to open reiserfs support. I have found it in a grey text(make xconfig), 
now I need to now wich option I also have to open so that the text becomes 
black and get the possibillity to set this to yes

Peter
-- 

Linux-Hardware Digest #740

2001-05-07 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Hardware Digest #740, Volume #14Mon, 7 May 01 22:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: avoiding USB support at start-up (Michael Meissner)
  Re: linux machine croaked :( (Dan Stromberg)
  3Com HomeConnect USB webcam and RHL7.1: no driver? (Ronald Cole)
  Re: Backing up Windows on Linux (Ronald Cole)
  Re: Backing up Windows on Linux (Brett I. Holcomb)
  NIC setup Please Help (John Leita)
  Re: Sound Blaster 16 PCI (arthur)
  Re: NIC setup Please Help (Rinaldi J. Montessi)
  Re: BP6 + Mandrake + reboot problem (Jerry Broszkowski)
  Re: Linux  AMD--from LHD (arthur)



Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: avoiding USB support at start-up
From: Michael Meissner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 07 May 2001 19:22:36 -0400

Massimo Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Dear community,
 
 Some time ago I have upgraded my linux distribution to include USB support,
 with kernel 2.2.16 from the Red Hat 7.0 distribution. Then I bought a USB
 Iomega Zip Drive, 100 Mb, that I planned to use on my Toshiba Tecra 720 CDT
 laptop. Later on I was told that in order to use the usb-storage module I
 needed  to upgrade to kernel 2.4.x, so I compiled 2.4.2 with kgcc and making
 sure that all the packages needed were up to date.
 
 Despite the support received from several newsgroups, I have had little
 success, as I am still unable to mount my zip drives.
 
 The main problem is that, approximately 70% of the times, my laptop would
 not boot at all, freezing when loading the usb-ohci module (I have a NEC
 Corporation USB controller, rev 01) or, if that step is passed, it
 freezes when mounting the USB filesystem, or later, when checking for new
 hardware. Some times I have to try booting my laptop 6 times and more before
 I can start working. If the machine boots, I can work happily but loading
 all
 the relevant modules and mounting the drive has no effect.
 
 I have decided that, on a temporary basis, before I manage to dedicate some
 time to study what is needed to sort out al these problems, I should let my
 laptop boot smoothly, thus I would like to remove USB support completely at
 start-up. I am sure there is a way out, but I have invested so much time to
 date that is time now to meet the deadlines for the work that I have got to
 do.
 
 I don't know whether this has to be done by Kudzu, by chkconfig or what.
 
 Could anyone please help by telling me how to control hardware support at
 start-up?

(Note, I work on GCC, not on Linux, so take what I say about Linux as being
personal opinions).

Assuming you built the USB controller as a module, I believe what you want to
do is edit /etc/modules.conf (it might be under the old name of
/etc/conf.modules) and delete the following line:

alias usb-controller usb-ohci

That would allow you to still load the USB controller by hand, using modprobe.
If you have compiled the USB controller directly into the kernel, you will have
to rebuild the kernel with the USB support either compiled as modules, or not
compiled at all.  You probably should remove the lines that refer to the zip
drive from /etc/fstab if they exist.

-- 
Michael Meissner, Red Hat, Inc.  (GCC group)
PMB 198, 174 Littleton Road #3, Westford, Massachusetts 01886, USA
Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   phone: +1 978-486-9304
Non-work: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   fax:   +1 978-692-4482

--

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Stromberg)
Subject: Re: linux machine croaked :(
Date: 7 May 2001 23:43:40 GMT

Ok, at first I had a dell powersupply, so that of _course_ didn't
work.  But later I tried again with a real ATX powersupply, and that
still didn't work.

I also tried shorting out the power switch connector with a bent
paperclip, and that didn't start anything up.

So I got a new motherboard, cpu, case and PS without much regret.  I'm
running much faster, and it only set me back about $260.

I'm inclined to say it's the motherboard.  The board will power up
without a CPU, it'll just beep at you.  Since you're talking about
having SIMMs, I'd say it's time for you to just get a new computer.

My mistake.  It's pretty contemporary memory - a mix of pc100 and
pc133, mostly pc133.  When I moved to the new motherboard, I tossed
the pc100 and kept the pc133.

I would guess that what happened is when you were changing your drive
you sparked and fried the motherboard with some static.  Did you have
the P/S unplugged when you were in the case, or just off?  You're
supposed to only have it off so that the case is still grounded.  (But
you're also supposed to wear an anti-static wrist strap, which I've
never seen anyone actually do.)

I had the PS plugged into the wall while doing the initial cdrom work,
but I wasn't using an antistatic wrap.

You can bet that when I did the work of switching over to the new
parts, that I used an antistatic wrap!

So now I'm mostly up and running, but I'm having a little trouble with
the 

Linux-Hardware Digest #741

2001-05-07 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Hardware Digest #741, Volume #14Mon, 7 May 01 22:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  turn $6 into $40,000 in ONE month! (Matt Warren)
  Re: CD writers (Christopher Wong)
  Re: that PCMCIA question (Linksys PCMPC100 V2/Dell Inspiron 4000) (Jerry McBride)



From: Matt Warren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: turn $6 into $40,000 in ONE month!
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 20:41:57 -0500

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Step 3) Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do =
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