Re: System resource monitoring and reporting utility ?
I've worked with tons of programs that do this - none of them have filled all my requirements. One thing, though - I didin't want to rely on SNMP - My ultimate solution would be a system that will ssh to a machine and run commands, process the output. In no particular order: 1. Monit is good for status - not history. If you want to know what's running NOW, or get en email when disk usage goes above 80% - things that can be checked remotely (ping, HTTP/S, Mysql) then monit is great. No pretty graphs, though. 2. Nagios is the best for all-around monitoring - but configuration is a pain. Installing the Groundwork framework makes this a cinch, though installing groundwork itself is slightly painful and pretty invasive on the host machine. If you have a machine to dedicate to this, this is probably the best solution for most cases. 3. mrtg is good, especially if all your devices speak SNMP. It's cute an simple - you cron a perl script to run every, say, 5 minutes. It outputs a bunch of graphs. I don't think it does warnings/emails, etc. 4. Orcallator. Some large companies I know use this. I tried it once - I seem to remeber that I liked it, though I couldn't online any of the features that I thought I liked :-) 5. Zabbix - Very robust, but requires their agents to be installed on all non SMTP machines. If you are willing to do this, then this is a Great option. Really - Zabbix is a mature system that works great. 6. Zenoss - compatible with nagios plugins. I would say this solution reminds me of a mach-up of zabbix and nagios. 7. Cacti - Non recommended. I don't remember why. On 8/9/07, Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oren Held wrote: A friend of mine (Amnon) found Munin (http://munin.projects.linpro.no/), which is a great system resource grapher tool which has plugins for almost everything from swap, ntp time drifts, disk temperature - to mysql queries per second. However, it draws graphs, I'm not sure it can send alerts. You can set limits (like highest cpu temperature or free disk space) which tag the whole node as red, maybe it's even capable of notifying.. worth a check I guess. I don't know about alerts, but I find that it is the best tool I know for getting the general health of a system. That is something no graph specific test can tell you, because it often involves measurements you did not think of before they happened. For anyone who is interested in seeing it in action, Hamakor's new server has it running, open for all to see: http://hamakor.org.il/munin/ Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: System resource monitoring and reporting utility ?
Oh - I forgot. Nagios let me do my whole check-through-ssh thing. meaning: I put the nagios-plugins somewhere on the remote machines and create a nagios user on each. Configure key authentication for this user on all the machines. Then I configured nagios to check_by_ssh all the things I wanted checked. Configuration would have killed me had I not used the Groundwork Framework. On 8/9/07, Mike Tewner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've worked with tons of programs that do this - none of them have filled all my requirements. One thing, though - I didin't want to rely on SNMP - My ultimate solution would be a system that will ssh to a machine and run commands, process the output. In no particular order: 1. Monit is good for status - not history. If you want to know what's running NOW, or get en email when disk usage goes above 80% - things that can be checked remotely (ping, HTTP/S, Mysql) then monit is great. No pretty graphs, though. 2. Nagios is the best for all-around monitoring - but configuration is a pain. Installing the Groundwork framework makes this a cinch, though installing groundwork itself is slightly painful and pretty invasive on the host machine. If you have a machine to dedicate to this, this is probably the best solution for most cases. 3. mrtg is good, especially if all your devices speak SNMP. It's cute an simple - you cron a perl script to run every, say, 5 minutes. It outputs a bunch of graphs. I don't think it does warnings/emails, etc. 4. Orcallator. Some large companies I know use this. I tried it once - I seem to remeber that I liked it, though I couldn't online any of the features that I thought I liked :-) 5. Zabbix - Very robust, but requires their agents to be installed on all non SMTP machines. If you are willing to do this, then this is a Great option. Really - Zabbix is a mature system that works great. 6. Zenoss - compatible with nagios plugins. I would say this solution reminds me of a mach-up of zabbix and nagios. 7. Cacti - Non recommended. I don't remember why. On 8/9/07, Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oren Held wrote: A friend of mine (Amnon) found Munin (http://munin.projects.linpro.no/), which is a great system resource grapher tool which has plugins for almost everything from swap, ntp time drifts, disk temperature - to mysql queries per second. However, it draws graphs, I'm not sure it can send alerts. You can set limits (like highest cpu temperature or free disk space) which tag the whole node as red, maybe it's even capable of notifying.. worth a check I guess. I don't know about alerts, but I find that it is the best tool I know for getting the general health of a system. That is something no graph specific test can tell you, because it often involves measurements you did not think of before they happened. For anyone who is interested in seeing it in action, Hamakor's new server has it running, open for all to see: http://hamakor.org.il/munin/ Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: System resource monitoring and reporting utility ?
On 09/08/07, Mike Tewner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've worked with tons of programs that do this - none of them have filled all my requirements. One thing, though - I didin't want to rely on SNMP - My ultimate solution would be a system that will ssh to a machine and run commands, process the output. Why not SNMP? With SNMP v3 there is adequate authentication/encryption, the standard snmp daemon on linux makes it very easy to add SNMP interface in front of any new measure you want to watch, snmp traps can serve the purpose of alerts and the standard protocol means that you can access the info using a multitude of tools. So why not? --Amos
Re: System resource monitoring and reporting utility ?
SNMP in Solaris is pain. Installation is a pain. Configuration is a pain. Maintenance is less of a pain. On 8/9/07, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 09/08/07, Mike Tewner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've worked with tons of programs that do this - none of them have filled all my requirements. One thing, though - I didin't want to rely on SNMP - My ultimate solution would be a system that will ssh to a machine and run commands, process the output. Why not SNMP? With SNMP v3 there is adequate authentication/encryption, the standard snmp daemon on linux makes it very easy to add SNMP interface in front of any new measure you want to watch, snmp traps can serve the purpose of alerts and the standard protocol means that you can access the info using a multitude of tools. So why not? --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Printing Photos in Israel
Hi, Does anybody know of a site in Israel in which you can upload your photos and get them printed? It should 1. Work with a non-IE browser 2. Have decent prices 3. Good service level and attitude. I am looking for standard printing, in standard sizes, nothing special. Thanks, --yuval pgpBZ9s4Hrktd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Memory undectable on Intel server board S5000VCL
annoying! I just figured out why my posts to the list have disappeared in the last couple of months... the @iglu.org.il alias no longer points to huji. why is that? Uff... NM, here is the question again... - Forwarded message from Ira Abramov To: IGLU [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Memory undectable on Intel server board S5000VCL Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:30:22 +0300 Howdie folks. I just transplanted my server to a new 1U Pizza. An amazing bargain. A Quad-core Xeon on a dual-CPU Intel board (room for enhancement!) with 4G of FBDIMMs, and two 500GB disks, all came to just over 10K NIS after taxes. The problems I see so far: hardware raid doesn't work in Debian (There are binary-only drivers for RHEL and SuSE EL), there are special editions of the e1000 drivers that are supposed to speed up the network through some partial off loading, I haven't read what they do yet. but the problem I am having is the PCI memory mapping. It's set at 2.5GB by default in the BIOS, and Debian Etch comes up and indeed sees only 2.5GB. I have set it up to 3.5G to lose less RAM, but I would still like to use the rest of the RAM! I tried booting with ram=4G but still the kernel sees only 3.5. I guess I need to use memmap= as well, but I don't have that information. the only clue is this tiny line in the BIOS docs: -PAE mode and the equivalent Linux mode must be set to see 2.5GB of memory. but running the debian bigmem kernel with 4G or less has an unwanted penalty on speed, doesn't it? any advice? -- Another brick in the wall Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOB for freelancer] need a freelancer to take over a customer
howdie folks! I have this small customer I need to find a solution for. they need support for 1-2 hours a month tops and I just never get around to give them propper response times they need with my current schedule. The outfit is a tiny company in the RG bursa area, they have about 10-15 mailboxes on one machine with pop3+imap+squirrelmail access, that machine is also firewall, router, dhcp, etc. running Debian Etch. All accessible via SSH of course. There is a second Etch machine which is a static mail server. I have long streaks of quiet uptime, the backup is automatic, the disks never overflow, the problems with the ISP are few. however just in the last month they had a spam attack that drained the SMTP connections, then clamd started dying in the mornings because of locked databases, I just installed monit to patch the problem instead of solving it, and in a third case a mail polling problem ended up being an outlook problem... (they keep thousands of items in their inboxes) In short, they need a helping hand, they will pay the $50 an hour they have payed me for the last few years and they pay on time, they just have to have the system stable because it's the heart of their business, and I'm not available enough, not even on SSH. can anyone take over from me? Please contact offlist of course, to my business address preferably: ira.abramov at scso dot com -- Leader of the free world Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Memory undectable on Intel server board S5000VCL
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 11:23:09AM +0300, Ira Abramov wrote: the problem I am having is the PCI memory mapping. It's set at 2.5GB by default in the BIOS, and Debian Etch comes up and indeed sees only 2.5GB. I have set it up to 3.5G to lose less RAM, but I would still like to use the rest of the RAM! I tried booting with ram=4G but still the kernel sees only 3.5. I guess I need to use memmap= as well, but I don't have that information. the only clue is this tiny line in the BIOS docs: -PAE mode and the equivalent Linux mode must be set to see 2.5GB of memory. but running the debian bigmem kernel with 4G or less has an unwanted penalty on speed, doesn't it? For all intents and purposes, you have more than 4G of RAM. More accurately, some of your RAM is only addressable using addresses that are over 4G. The reason why is that your physical memory addresses look like this (simplified): 0---RAM---3.5G---PCI HOLE--more RAM over 4G--- Because some PCI devices cannot deal with addresses over 4G. To be able to map the RAM that has physical address over 4G in the CPU's page tables, you need a PAE kernel. As for the penalty on speed, I doubt you'll be able to measure it, and it will be offset by the extra RAM. Cheers, Muli = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Memory undectable on Intel server board S5000VCL
Huh? your mail has been received well (this and the first one you sent) Thanks, Hetz On 09/08/07, Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: annoying! I just figured out why my posts to the list have disappeared in the last couple of months... the @iglu.org.il alias no longer points to huji. why is that? Uff... NM, here is the question again... - Forwarded message from Ira Abramov To: IGLU [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Memory undectable on Intel server board S5000VCL Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:30:22 +0300 Howdie folks. I just transplanted my server to a new 1U Pizza. An amazing bargain. A Quad-core Xeon on a dual-CPU Intel board (room for enhancement!) with 4G of FBDIMMs, and two 500GB disks, all came to just over 10K NIS after taxes. The problems I see so far: hardware raid doesn't work in Debian (There are binary-only drivers for RHEL and SuSE EL), there are special editions of the e1000 drivers that are supposed to speed up the network through some partial off loading, I haven't read what they do yet. but the problem I am having is the PCI memory mapping. It's set at 2.5GB by default in the BIOS, and Debian Etch comes up and indeed sees only 2.5GB. I have set it up to 3.5G to lose less RAM, but I would still like to use the rest of the RAM! I tried booting with ram=4G but still the kernel sees only 3.5. I guess I need to use memmap= as well, but I don't have that information. the only clue is this tiny line in the BIOS docs: -PAE mode and the equivalent Linux mode must be set to see 2.5GB of memory. but running the debian bigmem kernel with 4G or less has an unwanted penalty on speed, doesn't it? any advice? -- Another brick in the wall Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Memory undectable on Intel server board S5000VCL
Quoting Muli Ben-Yehuda, from the post of Thu, 09 Aug: Because some PCI devices cannot deal with addresses over 4G. To be able to map the RAM that has physical address over 4G in the CPU's page tables, you need a PAE kernel. As for the penalty on speed, I doubt you'll be able to measure it, and it will be offset by the extra RAM. According to Marc (who is a man I don't like to disagree with) it's a hit of 3-5% on average on grid machines if I recall. welp... we'll wait for the need for that extra 1/2 a gig to arrive and then reconsider using it. for now it's doing OK :) -- Late bloomer Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Webmail like Gmail + encryption
I know that Zimbra did a gmail clone skin to their webmail recently called Zmail. http://www.zimbra.com/blog/archives/2007/06/we_call_it_zmail.html but I haven't tried it, and I don't know how well the search works for example. also it doesn't AFAIK have the conversation mode of gmail, which is what i like most about it. On 8/9/07, Kfir Lavi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I would like to keep company emails secure and encrypted. I'm looking for a webmail program that is similar to Gmail. It don't have to own all the stuff, just to be productive. I would also want encryption. I want all the emails be encrypted automatically. What is the procedure for a user? should he take with him a usb private key? I'm looking for your comments on the idea. Tnx, Kfir
Re: Webmail like Gmail + encryption
Quoting Kfir Lavi, from the post of Thu, 09 Aug: Hi, I would like to keep company emails secure and encrypted. I'm looking for a webmail program that is similar to Gmail. It don't have to own all the stuff, just to be productive. I would also want encryption. I want all the emails be encrypted automatically. What is the procedure for a user? should he take with him a usb private key? I'm looking for your comments on the idea. webmail is done at the server, and therefore the encryption can either be done on the server (and you must use SSL at the minimum) and have the user enter the passphrase for each mail he sends and recieves or else (caching the key) is no security at all. the other option is encrypting/decrypting at the browser level (with a DoK) and that's a neucense in itself. the easiest and possibly safest is on a Portable version of Thunderbird, a local key with an S/MIME or similar extension. I have not seen an encryption solution on a webmail product that is both conveniant AND secure... one almost contradicts the other. the only GOOD solution would be a combination extension/greasemonkey script that will automatically decrypt incoming mail and force you to encrypt outgoing one at the browser's end and that also means it's accessible only from a machine that has been set up for it. -- Networking washing machines since 1999 Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Memory undectable on Intel server board S5000VCL
Hi Ira, I bumped into the same question some time ago - sending to iglu.org.il silently failed. Here's why: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg48796.html Boaz. Ira Abramov wrote: annoying! I just figured out why my posts to the list have disappeared in the last couple of months... the @iglu.org.il alias no longer points to huji. why is that? Uff... NM, here is the question again... - Forwarded message from Ira Abramov To: IGLU [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Memory undectable on Intel server board S5000VCL Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:30:22 +0300 Howdie folks. I just transplanted my server to a new 1U Pizza. An amazing bargain. A Quad-core Xeon on a dual-CPU Intel board (room for enhancement!) with 4G of FBDIMMs, and two 500GB disks, all came to just over 10K NIS after taxes. The problems I see so far: hardware raid doesn't work in Debian (There are binary-only drivers for RHEL and SuSE EL), there are special editions of the e1000 drivers that are supposed to speed up the network through some partial off loading, I haven't read what they do yet. but the problem I am having is the PCI memory mapping. It's set at 2.5GB by default in the BIOS, and Debian Etch comes up and indeed sees only 2.5GB. I have set it up to 3.5G to lose less RAM, but I would still like to use the rest of the RAM! I tried booting with ram=4G but still the kernel sees only 3.5. I guess I need to use memmap= as well, but I don't have that information. the only clue is this tiny line in the BIOS docs: -PAE mode and the equivalent Linux mode must be set to see 2.5GB of memory. but running the debian bigmem kernel with 4G or less has an unwanted penalty on speed, doesn't it? any advice? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
@iglu list address no longer working
Quoting Boaz Rymland, from the post of Thu, 09 Aug: Hi Ira, I bumped into the same question some time ago - sending to iglu.org.il silently failed. Here's why: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg48796.html unclear why this influences the spam filtering but still there's a question - why is it that sending to the old addresses no bouncing with an explanation message? -- Not that innocent Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Memory undectable on Intel server board S5000VCL
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 02:59:02PM +0300, Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Muli Ben-Yehuda, from the post of Thu, 09 Aug: Because some PCI devices cannot deal with addresses over 4G. To be able to map the RAM that has physical address over 4G in the CPU's page tables, you need a PAE kernel. As for the penalty on speed, I doubt you'll be able to measure it, and it will be offset by the extra RAM. According to Marc (who is a man I don't like to disagree with) it's a hit of 3-5% on average on grid machines if I recall. I would like to understand this better, if you or Marc could shed more details? In general, I believe you know what they say about lies, damn lies, and performance numbers. See some numbers from Ingo Molnar which give the PAE overhead at a round 0.0% here: http://kerneltrap.org/node/2891. YMMV. 100Hz100.00% 100Hz + PAE: 0.00% 1000Hz: -1.08% 1000Hz + PAE: -1.08% Cheers, Muli = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Webmail like Gmail + encryption
On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 15:07 +0300, Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Kfir Lavi, from the post of Thu, 09 Aug: Hi, I would like to keep company emails secure and encrypted. I would also want encryption. I want all the emails be encrypted automatically. I have not seen an encryption solution on a webmail product that is both conveniant AND secure... one almost contradicts the other. the only GOOD solution would be a combination extension/greasemonkey script that will automatically decrypt incoming mail and force you to encrypt outgoing one at the browser's end and that also means it's accessible only from a machine that has been set up for it. One might also say that the email is accessible on any machine where it has been setup for it, including public terminals - so its not that secure unless you have tight control of the clients, which kind of beats the point of having webmail. -- Oded = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Memory undectable on Intel server board S5000VCL
isnt' there a bigmem kernel for situations just like these? On 8/9/07, Muli Ben-Yehuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 02:59:02PM +0300, Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Muli Ben-Yehuda, from the post of Thu, 09 Aug: Because some PCI devices cannot deal with addresses over 4G. To be able to map the RAM that has physical address over 4G in the CPU's page tables, you need a PAE kernel. As for the penalty on speed, I doubt you'll be able to measure it, and it will be offset by the extra RAM. According to Marc (who is a man I don't like to disagree with) it's a hit of 3-5% on average on grid machines if I recall. I would like to understand this better, if you or Marc could shed more details? In general, I believe you know what they say about lies, damn lies, and performance numbers. See some numbers from Ingo Molnar which give the PAE overhead at a round 0.0% here: http://kerneltrap.org/node/2891. YMMV. 100Hz100.00% 100Hz + PAE: 0.00% 1000Hz: -1.08% 1000Hz + PAE: -1.08% Cheers, Muli = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Webmail like Gmail + encryption
Never used it but there's www.hushmail.com. Kfir Lavi wrote: Hi, I would like to keep company emails secure and encrypted. I'm looking for a webmail program that is similar to Gmail. It don't have to own all the stuff, just to be productive. I would also want encryption. I want all the emails be encrypted automatically. What is the procedure for a user? should he take with him a usb private key? I'm looking for your comments on the idea. Tnx, Kfir -- Gadi Cohen aka Kinslayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wastelands.net Freelance admin/coding/design HABONIM DROR linux/fantasy enthusiast KeyID 0x93F26EF5: 256A 1FC7 AA2B 6A8F 1D9B 6A5A 4403 F34B 93F2 6EF5
Re: Memory undectable on Intel server board S5000VCL
Last I used PAE kernels (ages ago) - I saw 1-5% degradation in performance. It was a while ago and I am not even sure I remember the versions any more. What I remember is NOT scientific data. M - Muli Ben-Yehuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to understand this better, if you or Marc could shed more details? In general, I believe you know what they say about lies, damn lies, and performance numbers. See some numbers from Ingo Molnar which give the PAE overhead at a round 0.0% here: http://kerneltrap.org/node/2891. YMMV. 100Hz100.00% 100Hz + PAE: 0.00% 1000Hz: -1.08% 1000Hz + PAE: -1.08% Cheers, Muli = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ---MAV Marc A. Volovic Swiftouch, LTD [EMAIL PROTECTED] +972-544-676764 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printing Photos in Israel
Hi, Does anybody know of a site in Israel in which you can upload your photos and get them printed? It should I never used them myself, but my sister is a routine user of tzamtzam.co.il . 1. Work with a non-IE browser I think she only uses it with FF 2. Have decent prices I do not know but think they are decent. Prices are generally much lower than what they were last time I printed anything myself. 3. Good service level and attitude. I think she only got her pictures at the Mevaseret shop and is satisfied with them. Their site lists 10 shops, most at or around Jerusalem. I am looking for standard printing, in standard sizes, nothing special. Thanks, --yuval -- Didi
Re: Printing Photos in Israel
2007/8/9, Yuval Hager [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Does anybody know of a site in Israel in which you can upload your photos and get them printed? It should I never used them myself, but my sister is a routine user of tzamtzam.co.il . 1. Work with a non-IE browser I think it works with FF 2. Have decent prices I do not know but think they are decent. Prices are generally much lower than what they were last time I printed anything myself. 3. Good service level and attitude. I think she only got her pictures at the Mevaseret shop and is satisfied with them. Their site lists 10 shops, most at or around Jerusalem. I am looking for standard printing, in standard sizes, nothing special. Thanks, --yuval -- Didi
Re: Printing Photos in Israel
ביום שישי 10 אוגוסט 2007, 00:04, נכתב על ידי Yedidyah Bar-David: 2007/8/9, Yuval Hager [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Does anybody know of a site in Israel in which you can upload your photos and get them printed? It should I never used them myself, but my sister is a routine user of tzamtzam.co.il . 1. Work with a non-IE browser I think it works with FF Are you sure? I got to a page where they tell me to accept the ActiveX installation and remove the pop-up blocker... --y pgpNTD4NZ3clX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Printing Photos in Israel
Hi Yuval, On 2007-08-09 03:57, Yuval Hager wrote: Does anybody know of a site in Israel in which you can upload your photos and get them printed? It should 1. Work with a non-IE browser 2. Have decent prices 3. Good service level and attitude. I am looking for standard printing, in standard sizes, nothing special. My best photo printing experience has been with simply going to a friendly neighborhood photo shop/lab in Rehovot. They were very friendly and professional, offered reasonable prices, were glad to accept the photos in any reasonable format via e-mail or CD, didn't mind tweaking their setup to produce custom-size panoramas, do (optional) manual photo-by-photo color adjustment for free, and would refund (a reasonable fraction of the) printouts if you don't like them. Plus, they ended up asking me for one of those Linux live CD things to try out. Beat *that* with a website. Eran = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: @iglu list address no longer working
On Thursday August 9 2007, Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Boaz Rymland, from the post of Thu, 09 Aug: Hi Ira, I bumped into the same question some time ago - sending to iglu.org.il silently failed. Here's why: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg48796.html unclear why this influences the spam filtering but still there's a question - why is it that sending to the old addresses no bouncing with an explanation message? I'll make it as short as possible: if iglu.org.il accepts and forwards all incoming mail to a certain alias to to [EMAIL PROTECTED], which considers iglu.org.il a somewhat trusted host, that effectively turns iglu.org.il to almost an open relay, while simultaneously reducing the effectiveness of spam filtering at huji and putting an additional load on the servers and moderators, due to the fact they have to accept the email initially and then filter it, rather than graylisting/checking against BLs and rejecting before starting the delivery. At this stage, I trust you to drive your own conclusions. We carefully thought this over during a number of evenings and I made a list of pros and cons of the existing situation. It wasn't a one-minute decision. In fact, the way it was implemented shows exactly how disorganized the system was. I think I made myself clear enough. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Linux-IL moderator The following statement is not true. The previous statement is true. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printing Photos in Israel
Are you sure? I got to a page where they tell me to accept the ActiveX installation and remove the pop-up blocker... Seems you are right. I guess my sister actually brings the camera/memory card and prints there. Sorry :-) -- Didi
