Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux
On Sunday, 30 בAugust 2009 07:52:18 Boaz Rymland wrote: ... or, go for sure on the Linux pre-installed ones. Just a general warning (don't know if it applies to this specific model). Many devices on the market with Linux pre-installed have some binary components that make them worthless -- install your own version and many important features will stop working. As an example you can take all netbooks with Intel GMA-500 graphics chipset (Poulsbo) which needs binary blobs to function. AFAIK, many of Dell's netbooks are equipped with this chipset, so although they are pre-installed with Ubuntu your install/upgrade options are very restricted. This is an example of really bad move from Intel who otherwise has excellent free software support for its hardware. -- Oron Peled Voice: +972-4-8228492 o...@actcom.co.il http://users.actcom.co.il/~oron Microsoft gives you windows, linux gives you the whole house. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux
On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:06:43 +0300, Oron Peled o...@actcom.co.il wrote: On Sunday, 30 בAugust 2009 07:52:18 Boaz Rymland wrote: ... or, go for sure on the Linux pre-installed ones. Just a general warning (don't know if it applies to this specific model). Many devices on the market with Linux pre-installed have some binary components that make them worthless -- install your own version and many important features will stop working. and isn't there a way, if it can be generalized at all, to: get a linux preinstalled laptop, install your own linux, then install the manufacturer packages/updates separately? Alternatively, can one, with little effort, collect those binaries from his pre-installed linux prior to installing other linux and put them on the new installation? (I guess this can be done, but the question is how much resources are needed to fully move all). Thanks, Boaz. As an example you can take all netbooks with Intel GMA-500 graphics chipset (Poulsbo) which needs binary blobs to function. AFAIK, many of Dell's netbooks are equipped with this chipset, so although they are pre-installed with Ubuntu your install/upgrade options are very restricted. This is an example of really bad move from Intel who otherwise has excellent free software support for its hardware. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: an open phone from nokia ?
Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: ... Will it be totally open? I don't think so because they have to support their DRM'd music/video which you buy, and their DRM is from .. Microsoft, but OTOH writing/porting an app to N900, is IMHO way easier then to Android/WebOS/iPhone. ... By the way, don't forget that: 1. Android is Linux. 2. WebOS is Linux (Palm left their proprietary OS). 3. iPhone is BSD. 4. ...and not only Nokia's Maemo is Linux/UNIX based (iPhone is half closed, thanks for the liberal license of BSD, but even iPhone is much more UNIXish than the old proprietary OSes - PalmOS, Windows Mobile, etc.). With Microsoft giving up their Mobile (they gave their OFFICE sources to Nokia to help the Maemo to win against Apple/Google), UNIX/Linux is gaining a world domination in a yet another field, with all of the four favorite OSes based on UNIX/Linux (I assume that it's only a matter of time till Symbian is replaced officially by Maemo. Maybe years, but we are not in rush, and can't wait even 2-3 years for the world domination). -- Eli Marmor mar...@netmask.it CEO, Netmask (El-Mar) Internet Technologies Ltd. __ Tel.: +972-9-766-1020 8 Yad-Harutzim St. Fax.: +972-9-766-1314 P.O.B. 7004 Mobile: +972-50-5237338 Kfar-Saba 44641, Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: an open phone from nokia ?
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote: Umm, actually, pretty open.. Read this: http://flors.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/software-freedom-lovers-here-comes-maemo-5/ Also, within the last few days, they signed and sumbitted new drivers to be included in the standard kernel. The technology that they use is open and it's right there on your linux desktop: Xorg, gstreamer, pulse audio, bluez, telepathy, they use upstart instead of sysinit, matchbox window manager, X terminal, busybox, GLX. Will it be totally open? I don't think so because they have to support their DRM'd music/video which you buy, and their DRM is from .. Microsoft, but OTOH writing/porting an app to N900, is IMHO way easier then to Android/WebOS/iPhone. I'm excited about N900 because it's the closest thing in terms of technology to my CentOS and Fedora machines I have here at home. Watch this Flors guy's blog, he'll post some info next week specially for Developers. i quote one of the replys on flor's page: Nokia has an unfortunate track record of marketing Maemo as “open” or “free” and later shipping devices (N770,800,810) with a variety of proprietary (closed source, binary only) drivers (e.g. wifi on the N770) and other components (dsme, bme, etc.) without which the devices won’t even have essential functionality such as basic power management (in the sense of charging the battery). The corresponding bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1584 has been closed as FIXED without an actual resolution. The wiki page http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages indicates that the situation hasn’t changed significantly and won’t change in the foreseeable future for strategic reasons (”differentiation”). when i got my n95, and could download C software development kit from nokia, i was thrilled, until i found there was no ping utility on the phone, or one that i can download from the net (at that time). and nokia blocked me from writing one (privileged packets), so i was left without a basic network debugging tool to check why my wifi didn't work in certain situations ... (and nokia's error messages sucked). also, do you think i will be able to use openvpn on the n900 ? what about iptables ? having a root shell doesn't mean i can use a firewall if i can not build iptables for the kernel. Thanks, Hetz 2009/8/29 Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz: Erez D wrote: nokia is realeasing the N900 smartphone. which is using maemo (linux) as it's os. will this be a de-facto open phone, or could nokia keep it closed ? In all likelyhood, the system will be more or less open (i.e. - there will be some closed drivers), but the actual phone software will be pretty close. Then again, a port of OpenMoko (or, for that matter, android) to that phone is, likely, not far away. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting Ltd. http://www.lingnu.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux
On Sunday, 30 בAugust 2009 10:15:51 Boaz Rymland wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:06:43 +0300, Oron Peled o...@actcom.co.il wrote: Just a general warning (don't know if it applies to this specific model). Many devices on the market with Linux pre-installed have some binary components that make them worthless -- install your own version and many important features will stop working. and isn't there a way, if it can be generalized at all, to: get a linux preinstalled laptop, install your own linux, then install the manufacturer packages/updates separately? Alternatively, can one, with little effort, collect those binaries from his pre-installed linux prior to installing other linux and put them on the new installation? (I guess this can be done, but the question is how much resources are needed to fully move all). Obviously the amount of effort to do this depends on many factors and may range from trivial to a major pain -- and because there's no source for these components, the help you can get from other people is also limited. I normally follow your original method -- put some effort *before* buying to have an idea about good/problematic hardware. I also make sure that the people who sell stuff will know *why* I chose their hardware (because its vendor is cooperating with the Linux community and as a result the hardware just work out of the box). As I haven't checked any of the recent netbook offerings, I cannot give any specific advice -- sorry. However, it would be very nice if you share your experience with the rest of us after you buy. Bye, -- Oron Peled Voice: +972-4-8228492 o...@actcom.co.il http://users.actcom.co.il/~oron Free software: each person contributes a brick, but ultimately each person receives a house in return. -- Brendan Scott ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: an open phone from nokia ?
Eli Marmor wrote: Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: ... Will it be totally open? I don't think so because they have to support their DRM'd music/video which you buy, and their DRM is from .. Microsoft, but OTOH writing/porting an app to N900, is IMHO way easier then to Android/WebOS/iPhone. ... By the way, don't forget that: 1. Android is Linux. 2. WebOS is Linux (Palm left their proprietary OS). 3. iPhone is BSD. 4. ...and not only Nokia's Maemo is Linux/UNIX based While technically true, it is also totally irrelevant. When you write a phone application, you rarely interact with the kernel. Your main interaction is with the GUI. As such, which are the toolkits and what languages can you use: Neo: C/C++/Python/Anything. GUI is ETK, GTK, QT, wxWidgets or whatever. WebOS: I don't know what language (C?). GUI is Palm OS iPhone: I don't know what language (Objective C?). GUI is iPhone Android: Java. GUI is Android Windows Mobile: C, GUI is Win32ish Nokia: C/C++. GUI is QT. Of this list, only the first and the last provide you with a development environment that is the same for the phone and for you (or, at least, my) desktop. In some cases I literally run the same software on my laptop and on the phone. With Windows mobile, the framework is somewhat the same (but it is a horrendous framework to develop desktop applications with, and it's even worse for phones). Then again, after spending the past two months doing Android development, there are also advantages. On the Neo, by far the best environment to actually send and receive phone calls is QTopia, which specifically deviates from the standard your desktop is running. I have two SIMs connected to one number. With most environments, my dumb phone would ring first. The exceptions were QTopia (if the phone was not asleep while the phone call came) and the Android device, both would actually ring before my dumb phone would. In all honesty, I would rather have a phone that works than have a phone that runs my applications. I am much more worried about Android's lack of friendliness to third party applications (unless they come through the Market) than I am about the fact it is running a non-standard environment. I am sad to say that, in that respect, Windows Mobile is better. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting Ltd. http://www.lingnu.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: an open phone from nokia ?
On Aug 30, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: In all honesty, I would rather have a phone that works than have a phone that runs my applications. I am much more worried about Android's lack of friendliness to third party applications (unless they come through the Market) than I am about the fact it is running a non-standard environment. I am sad to say that, in that respect, Windows Mobile is better. The iPhone is similar. While people say that the Mac is UNIX and it is very heavily BSD based, the average user has no contact with it. I have several terminal windows open, run X windows applications (on the Mac and from remote clients), etc. 99% of the users never open a terminal window, never use X windows (except for OpenOffice, which no longer uses it) and their only contact is with the GUI and the closed source (sub)systems it invokes. The iPhone is the same type of thing, with a closed source GUI on top of a BSD kernel. The current iPhone uses an ARM processor, the development environment is X86 based, and while there is a compatability GUI, there is no X86 to ARM emulation. This does two things, one it forces the developer to test on the iPhone itself before release and two it makes a future device with an X86 processor will have a large library of tested applications. Apple also took the path that Nintendo started with the Gameboy and Sony follows with the PSP. You can't sell an application for the iPhone without going to the Apple store. (look up Google voice and the iPhone for the details). According to a friend of mine who is an iPhone user, they can easily be jailbroken to allow you to run non approved applications, but how many people on the street will do it? My point is that while Shachar states that Windows Mobile is a better development enviornment, and I think the iPhone is one too, this is a case where you have to decide if you want to develop a FOSS application or a closed one. 14 years ago when I started using Linux, it was a rare thing, even in free systems BSD was popular, and the GPL was something new and not common or understood. I think that the day after the iPhone is actually released to Israel, there will be 10,000 startups started to make iPhone apps. So if you are looking for fame and fortune, fast return (or fast loss) of your efforts, go with the iPhone. If you are looking to make a contribution to the FOSS family, look for a Linux based phone and stick with it. Geoff. -- geoffrey mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM Jerusalem Israel geoffreymendel...@gmail.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: an open phone from nokia ?
geoffrey mendelson wrote: My point is that while Shachar states that Windows Mobile is a better development enviornment I said no such thing! I said it was a horrible environment made even more horrid by the move to slim appliance. What I said was that it is a more open one. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting Ltd. http://www.lingnu.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: an open phone from nokia ?
Shachar Shemesh wrote: I am much more worried about Android's lack of friendliness to third party applications (unless they come through the Market) than I am about the fact it is running a non-standard environment. What do you mean by Android's lack of friendliness to third party applications (unless they come through the Market)? Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef Chief Coffee Drinker CTO Codefidence Ltd. Web: http://codefidence.com Cell: +972-52-8260388 Tel: +972-8-9316883 ext. 201 Fax: +972-8-9316884 Email: gi...@codefidence.com Check out our Open Source technology and training blog - http://tuxology.net Now the world has gone to bed Darkness won't engulf my head I can see by infra-red How I hate the night. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: an open phone from nokia ?
Hi, You have been severly misinformed. All you need to install using USB is the free as in speech Google SDK and USB cable that comes with the phone. Adb is running on all phones and you don't need to be root to install applications. More important, you can install application by simply downloading an .apk file with the built in browser, assuming you check one checkbox in the GUI settings for security purposes. And last, Google does not validate apps in the market and the developer fee is one time 25$. Not exactly a big barrierr. In other words: what you're talking about, Willis^H^HShahar? Gilad Shachar Shemesh wrote: I am much more worried about Android's lack of friendliness to third party applications (unless they come through the Market) than I am about the fact it is running a non-standard environment. What do you mean by Android's lack of friendliness to third party applications (unless they come through the Market)? I mean that anyone can develop for the android, but if you actually want to install something on the actual phone, you are up to the mercy of whoever sold it to you (unless you root it, of course, in which case even the iPhone is open). I am not sure what is required to be able to do adb install from a PC, but it certainly requires that adb be running, possibly also requires root. Without that, if it's not in the Market (approved by Google, pending a yearly fee), it doesn't exist. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting Ltd.http://www.lingnu.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux
Boaz Rymland wrote: Hi all, Can anyone provide feedback on the following Acer laptop, or any other Acer Linux based laptops? (Interestingly, searching for linux word in laptop section in zap.co.il shows almost exclusively only Acer results: http://zap.co.il/models.aspx?sog=C-PCLaptopkeyword=linux). In specific - how well all hardware goodies work in linux - power management/scaling, wifi, bluetooth, card reader, X, etc etc... The model is *Acer Aspire AS5738Z-422G25MN*. It comes with Intel Dual Core T4200 and Intel GMA 4500. Thanks, Boaz. I had access for several Acer based laptops (the Asprie 51XX Aspire). As for wifi: The model started with broadcom chipset that work relatively ok , now Acer switched to Atheros Both are supported but when using new kernels the power usage is high and there are lots of deassoactions (the 3 timeouts isuue) only with Atheros. AFAIK it related only to the kernel (never used windows so don't know). Kernels 2.6.30 , 2.6.31 The worst thing in thous laptops is the Graphics: When there is use of the RS48X until few months ago there was no support for the 3D acceleration. Also there still lots of bugs in the X when using it (Hangups , memory of the last picture etc). X version 7.4+4 Bluetooth. The one that came with blue tooth dongle works fine. Card reader: After 2.6.22 work fine. Multimedia keys: Works using acerhk (don't use it in 2.6.30! there is a bug that hangs). WebCam: I can say in one word it is a BUG. There is use of gspca drivers (RE based driver) there bugs in it (Kernel tempting , power usage etc). Battery: The worst thing in the laptop , died after 4 months (twice) don't know if it is only mine bad experience but should be noted. Plastics: In the Aspire series there are the chrom colored laptops, Do to wear and tear the color falls off (And it isn't under the warranty). Nasty but not so bad. The text is for : Acer Aspire 5102 , 5102 WLMI , 5100). The 5102 Wlmi had been in the laboratory 7 or 8 times in less then a year. Problems (hardware) that i noticed : Battery (died) Hard drive (the electronic card died) very important thing with it who will give you the warranty test it before beyng. When my laptop died (each time) i had to call a lawyer to make them fix it. In the end i got a new laptop (from the box). Hope this is ok. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: an open phone from nokia ?
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Shachar Shemesh wrote: I am much more worried about Android's lack of friendliness to third party applications (unless they come through the Market) than I am about the fact it is running a non-standard environment. What do you mean by Android's lack of friendliness to third party applications (unless they come through the Market)? I mean that anyone can develop for the android, but if you actually want to install something on the actual phone, you are up to the mercy of whoever sold it to you (unless you root it, of course, in which case even the iPhone is open). I am not sure what is required to be able to do adb install from a PC, but it certainly requires that adb be running, possibly also requires root. Without that, if it's not in the Market (approved by Google, pending a yearly fee), it doesn't exist. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting Ltd. http://www.lingnu.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?
2009/8/24 Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz Michael Vasiliev wrote: The power of the signal is inversely proportional to the square of distance. That is not precisely accurate. An undirected point source of EM radiation (or any other type of energy) transmits energy that expands on a sphere from the point of transmittal. The surface area of the sphere expands proportionally to R^2. Therefor, the law of conservation of energy dictates that the energy received over a constant area receiver (say, a 1 cm^2 energy receiver) will decline proportionally to the square of the distance from the transmitter. As a side note - does that prove that our universe only has three dimensions? It only means that your problem has a symmetry of 3 dimensions. Consider an ideal omnidirectional antenna on the plane - sends an identical signal to the same height, and nothing above and below. Then the energy loss would indeed be 1/R. This only means that the omnidirectional antenna is a problem with 2D symmetry, not that the world has less dimensions. Flatland phylosophy is always clearer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatland However, if our transmitter is directional, and you keep the transmitter beam focused, so that it does not expand, there is no reason for the energy to almost not discard at all. Of course, the medium through which you transmit the energy may absorb some of it (assuming it is not a vacuum), and it may disperse some more of it, but there is no reason to get 1/R^2, or even 1/R. In order not to lose energy at all, you will need an ideal wave guide ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waveguide). If we stick to the air as our media, then you will need a unidirectional antenna. This is also an idealization, as an antenna which points to one direction, projects energy to the opposite direction as well, and there is also significant power loss to the sides. Orna. Shachar ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?
On Aug 30, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda wrote: If we stick to the air as our media, then you will need a unidirectional antenna. This is also an idealization, as an antenna which points to one direction, projects energy to the opposite direction as well, and there is also significant power loss to the sides. Often it can be only omnidrectional in 2 dimensions and only if you want to power a circular area. If you want to power all the devices in your apartment for example, you can place an omnidirectional antenna in the center, or a narrower beam antenna in a corner. The advantages of a center one is obvious, you get more power in more all of the apartment. A corner antenna placed in the corner where the demand is greater, e.g. kitchen, laundry, etc and farthest from where the demand is the least, e.g. in a bedroom where you want lights, a clock and maybe a TV or radio has a distinct advantage in power levels output and the radiation the residents are exposed to. This has a practical application in the world of computers as you want to place a WifI transmitter close to your computers if they are clustered and as far away as possible from anyone else's. So I place mine where they leak out of the building about 5 meters into a common entrance yard, but don't reach the street, instead of at the other end of the apartment where they would. Either way, I have no desire to radiate WiFi, or if I could electrical power, down into the ground or up into my neighbor's or the street. Geoff. -- geoffrey mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM Jerusalem Israel geoffreymendel...@gmail.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: an open phone from nokia ?
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Adb is running on all phones and you don't need to be root to install applications. The Samsung Galaxy, at least as sold by Cellcom, does not run ADB by default. Even when I set USB debugging, I cannot see the phone when I do adb devices, and cannot connect to it (let alone install anything on it). More important, you can install application by simply downloading an .apk file with the built in browser, assuming you check one checkbox in the GUI settings for security purposes. I have to admit I was not aware of that option. After checking, I stand corrected. It is, indeed, possible to install 3rd party applications, fairly freely. Why Samsung (or Cellcom) decided to cripple the installation from PC is beyond me, then. Maybe they thought this will prevent people from rooting the machine (which is strange, because the rooting instructions for the device do not require adb). And last, Google does not validate apps in the market and the developer fee is one time 25$. Not exactly a big barrierr. Enough of a barrier that most of the free (of charge) applications you actually see there are various variations on the crippleware/adware models, and not so many free (speech). In other words: what you're talking about, Willis^H^HShahar? Who is this WillShahar, then? Allow me to sell you a couple of tips: * Ctrl-W erases a whole word. * My name is spelled with a c Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting Ltd. http://www.lingnu.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: an open phone from nokia ?
Shachar Shemesh wrote: Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Adb is running on all phones and you don't need to be root to install applications. The Samsung Galaxy, at least as sold by Cellcom, does not run ADB by default. Even when I set USB debugging, I cannot see the phone when I do adb devices, and cannot connect to it (let alone install anything on it). Not sure, but I'm guessing it might be a problem with your setup, rather then a Smasung imposed limit. Are you sure you have set up the ADB udev rules correctly? Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef Chief Coffee Drinker CTO Codefidence Ltd. Web: http://codefidence.com Cell: +972-52-8260388 Tel: +972-8-9316883 ext. 201 Fax: +972-8-9316884 Email: gi...@codefidence.com Check out our Open Source technology and training blog - http://tuxology.net Now the world has gone to bed Darkness won't engulf my head I can see by infra-red How I hate the night. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: an open phone from nokia ?
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Shachar Shemesh wrote: Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Adb is running on all phones and you don't need to be root to install applications. The Samsung Galaxy, at least as sold by Cellcom, does not run ADB by default. Even when I set USB debugging, I cannot see the phone when I do adb devices, and cannot connect to it (let alone install anything on it). Not sure, but I'm guessing it might be a problem with your setup, rather then a Smasung imposed limit. Are you sure you have set up the ADB udev rules correctly? I'm connecting to other Android devices without a problem. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting Ltd. http://www.lingnu.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: an open phone from nokia ?
Shachar Shemesh wrote: The Samsung Galaxy, at least as sold by Cellcom, does not run ADB by default. Even when I set USB debugging, I cannot see the phone when I do adb devices, and cannot connect to it (let alone install anything on it). Not sure, but I'm guessing it might be a problem with your setup, rather then a Smasung imposed limit. Are you sure you have set up the ADB udev rules correctly? I'm connecting to other Android devices without a problem. That's because the USB vendor/product properties for the Samsung are different then your HTC made ones (different vendor), which means the udev rule needs to be different. You also need to patch the adb client soruces with the different vendor ID. RTFG, for example: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/msg/ae589dcd4ce8810d?pli=1 Gilad :-) -- Gilad Ben-Yossef Chief Coffee Drinker CTO Codefidence Ltd. Web: http://codefidence.com Cell: +972-52-8260388 Tel: +972-8-9316883 ext. 201 Fax: +972-8-9316884 Email: gi...@codefidence.com Check out our Open Source technology and training blog - http://tuxology.net Now the world has gone to bed Darkness won't engulf my head I can see by infra-red How I hate the night. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: an open phone from nokia ?
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Shachar Shemesh wrote: The Samsung Galaxy, at least as sold by Cellcom, does not run ADB by default. Even when I set USB debugging, I cannot see the phone when I do adb devices, and cannot connect to it (let alone install anything on it). Not sure, but I'm guessing it might be a problem with your setup, rather then a Smasung imposed limit. Are you sure you have set up the ADB udev rules correctly? I'm connecting to other Android devices without a problem. That's because the USB vendor/product properties for the Samsung are different then your HTC made ones (different vendor), which means the udev rule needs to be different. That would be true had I needed to do anything to get udev to support the HTC. As things stand, I am mounting the relevant usbfs file system with write permissions for my user, so I can mount USB devices inside my VirtualBox machines. You also need to patch the adb client soruces with the different vendor ID. My adb sources already had the Samsung Vendor ID. RTFG, for example: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/msg/ae589dcd4ce8810d?pli=1 Just to be sure, I made the udev change and used their binary of adb, and deviec still wouldn't show up. It shows up in lsusb: Bus 004 Device 008: ID 04e8:6640 Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd Usb Modem Enumerator but not in adb: /tmp$ ./adb devices List of devices attached Either I am missing something else (which is possible), or Cellcom did remove adb from the device. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting Ltd. http://www.lingnu.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: an open phone from nokia ?
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Not sure, but I'm guessing it might be a problem with your setup, rather then a Smasung imposed limit. Are you sure you have set up the ADB udev rules correctly? Of course not :-) All I know is that, on my setup, the HTC worked with me having to actually set up anything (and I explained before why that makes sense, based on my system), and that adb seems to be one that should work. Just to be sure this is not the udev permissions problem, I just tried running adb as root. The phone is still not visible. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting Ltd. http://www.lingnu.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Israeli online sources for Tellico?
Hi All, Any of you know of online sources I can add to the Sources List in Tellico to update Hebrew books, for instance? I'd like to perform ISBN or Dana Code searches for books published in Israel... Thanks! .::. Amichai Rotman UIN#: 6401746 Registered Linux User#: 201192 [http://counter.li.org/] Registered Ubuntu User #12851 [http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net] PLEASE READ: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html .::. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Drupal or Joomla for Heb-Eng Site?
Which is preferred for building a Hebrew-English site, Drupal or Joomla? The management interface can be in English. I will need content and menus in He and En though. Thanks in advance. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Drupal or Joomla for Heb-Eng Site?
Chaim Keren-Tzion wrote: Which is preferred for building a Hebrew-English site, Drupal or Joomla? The management interface can be in English. I will need content and menus in He and En though. Thanks in advance. I don't know Drupal very well. Lingnu's site is built with Joomla (http://www.lingnu.com), using joomfish for the actual translations. We didn't manage to get IE6 is to support the Hebrew site (things look bad, but you get redirected to http://www.lingnu.com/ie6-not-supported.html the first time). The site has Hebrew and English mode. Each (translated) article is available as a base URL (http://www.lingnu.com/solutions.html), as well as language specific URLs (http://www.lingnu.com/he/solutions.html and http://www.lingnu.com/en/solutions.html). There were quite a few important incoming links left over from the static HTML site that was there earlier, and we managed to simply place the new, dynamic site over the same URLs as the old one (all the pages have .html extension - an SEO plugin, of course). Now for the bad news. Getting this took a lot of work. Tailoring the template to look the way we wanted, and to get it working on (almost) all browser took a lot of tweaking and work. Joomfish took a lot of getting used to, but frankly, a lot of it were bugs in joomfish that have, since, been resolved. The same goes for the SEO plugin - getting friendly URLs took some getting used to. As far as I'm concerned, I'm happy with the choice of technology, and very happy with the end result. It allows me to have some of the site bilingual, others only in English/Hebrew, and mix in static elements where applicable. Most importantly, it allows me to make changes without thinking twice about it when I need to. Hope I've helped. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting Ltd. http://www.lingnu.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Drupal or Joomla for Heb-Eng Site?
Chaim Keren-Tzion wrote: Which is preferred for building a Hebrew-English site, Drupal or Joomla? The management interface can be in English. I will need content and menus in He and En though. Thanks in advance. I got Eng-Ru set up of drupal-5.x + localizer working fairly well, although it took some effort.. Menus, content, all translated properly. I added Hebrew just for fun in test set up, and it did work, although I didn't test it extensively. Never tried Joomla.. Can't say anything about it. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Drupal or Joomla for Heb-Eng Site?
Hi, * The specified requirements list was much too slim to judge (how much does a suite for an orphan cost? Is there such a sentence in English? :-) * This is a hot debate between enthusiasts from both camps. * Here are some links that try to address this issue: o http://www.topnotchthemes.com/blog/090224/drupal-vs-joomla-frank-comparison-ibm-consultant o http://www.alledia.com/blog/general-cms-issues/joomla-and-drupal-which-one-is-right-for-you/ o http://mydrupal.com/joomla-versus-drupal o http://drupal.org/node/563294 o and there are many many more... Boaz. Chaim Keren-Tzion wrote: Which is preferred for building a Hebrew-English site, Drupal or Joomla? The management interface can be in English. I will need content and menus in He and En though. Thanks in advance. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: an open phone from nokia ?
On 08/30/2009 11:52 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Eli Marmor wrote: Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: ... Will it be totally open? I don't think so because they have to support their DRM'd music/video which you buy, and their DRM is from .. Microsoft, but OTOH writing/porting an app to N900, is IMHO way easier then to Android/WebOS/iPhone. ... By the way, don't forget that: 1. Android is Linux. 2. WebOS is Linux (Palm left their proprietary OS). 3. iPhone is BSD. 4. ...and not only Nokia's Maemo is Linux/UNIX based While technically true, it is also totally irrelevant. When you write a phone application, you rarely interact with the kernel. Your main interaction is with the GUI. As such, which are the toolkits and what languages can you use: Neo: C/C++/Python/Anything. GUI is ETK, GTK, QT, wxWidgets or whatever. WebOS: I don't know what language (C?). GUI is Palm OS iPhone: I don't know what language (Objective C?). GUI is iPhone Android: Java. GUI is Android Windows Mobile: C, GUI is Win32ish Nokia: C/C++. GUI is QT. Of this list, only the first and the last provide you with a development environment that is the same for the phone and for you (or, at least, my) desktop. In some cases I literally run the same software on my laptop and on the phone. snipped AFAIK, Nokia's (actually Maemo) running Hildon [1] - a gnome/gtk based env for handhelds. One can install Qt and apps from the repos. Next version of maemo will be Qt based (while gtk+ apps still working, but relagated to community). Other languages [2] (e.g: Python) can be used as well. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildon [2] http://maemo.org/development/documentation/programming_languages/ Cheers -- Meir Kriheli ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
