Re: Go-Linux 2005
Eli Marmor wrote: Except for these narrow minded fixes, I agree. I've kept my mouth shut so far, because although the *facts* of the criticism were incorrect, as you well pointed out, the conclusion was not. The interest groups were to the point and non-marketirish, but they died. I tried to organize a second one, and nobody within PC would bother. As we have Haifux, Telux, JLC and the rest, I didn't bother too much myself. I couldn't help but notice that your interest group didn't conveen in the past year too. Ilan from Oracle, while being a great guy, and doing this Linux activity for all the right reasons, is still a marketing guy. I think the fact that Go-Linux 2004 was so lame, and that Go-Linux 2005 was postponed no less than 4 times already (and I fully expect a fifth) has something to do with the fact that Go-Linux 2003 was NOT just a marketing thing, but something with actual substance, and that PC know that, they would like to repeat that, *but they don't know how*. Some of the sponsors didn't like the way they were pushed aside for less important (and non-paying) things, and the result is a bit of a mess. Ilan tried to get Go-Linux 2005 to be a client oriented thing, something that is like a marketing conference with sponsors and everything, but would actually have CONTENT and be INTERESTING. He tried to dictate to the sponsors that they should all bring one of their clients on stage, rather than attempt to talk themselves. From the lack of a Go-Linux conference in August you can infer how successful that was. I have not heared from them since, despite trying a couple of times. No one there wants me to talk to sponsors (and they may be right, after all). Judging from the amount of preperations done for Go-Linux 2004 and Go-Linux 2003, I predict that should Go-Linux 2005 take place in November (as currently indicated), it will not have more substance than the 2004 version. Shachar P.S. For the 2004 conference, I was asked to give a lecture. The problem was that I wanted my lecture to be right for the audience. I thought the result was anemic and lacked real substance. On the other hand, most of the feedbacks I received were very positive. I guess it's all relative. Sh. -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up today's work? http://www.lingnu.com/backup.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Go-Linux 2005
On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 07:40 +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: ce, despite trying a couple of times. No one there wants me to talk to sponsors (and they may be right, after all). Judging from the amount of preperations done for Go-Linux 2004 [snip] Attempts by your truly to offer a lecture (for the tech track, not the buy my product, I am cute! track) about Linux in Bioinformatics failed (or - rather - stalled) for the simple reason that PC said - you wanna talk, pay NIS 14k (which I am not about to do ;-)... It seems that the GL2k5 will be staffed (or stuffed, whichever you prefer) with corpo-sponsors (which is OK) but lack a tech track altogether. Marc = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Go-Linux 2005
Marc A. Volovic wrote: [snip] Attempts by your truly to offer a lecture (for the tech track, not the buy my product, I am cute! track) about Linux in Bioinformatics failed (or - rather - stalled) for the simple reason that PC said - you wanna talk, pay NIS 14k (which I am not about to do ;-)... It seems that the GL2k5 will be staffed (or stuffed, whichever you prefer) with corpo-sponsors (which is OK) but lack a tech track altogether. Marc See, usually that wasn't such a big problem. The operators would give the answer you got, but when actual planning took place, I was asked to fill in a technical track. Then I would try and recruite interesting and technical talks. This year, the conference is almost here, and I have not heard from anyone. Maybe someone else did. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up today's work? http://www.lingnu.com/backup.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Go-Linux 2005
Quoting Eli Marmor, from the post of Thu, 20 Oct: Ira Abramov wrote: The Linux Users' group is a similar initiative (though if memory serves it's less tightly affiliated with PC, it's a joint marketing gimmick of Sun, SGI, IBM, Emet and a few others where the users in the title actually You forgot Oracle, the life and the soul behind this organization. Cynical remark of the year award? :-) means companies that try to make a few more thousand dollars by waving To the best of my knowledge, they PAY a few more thousand Dollars, rather than MAKE them. But this is only my own opinion. well, then you have to ask yourself WHY they keep doing it for several years now. there's a chasm to cross here (pardon my new Marketoid Jargon) and even the biggest players in the market can't make the market's majority join in, so what gives? a tux flag. In fact, AFAIK the only member of the community that ever witnessed one of their meetings (were there more than one?) Is Shachar Shemesh, And Doron Ofek. And Eli Marmor. And some others. s/some/many - if you use the language ever witnessed one of their meetings (Yonatan Ben-Avraham, Shlomi Fish, etc., to name some witnesses). OK, I stand corrected. That does not change the fact it's a marketing co-op and not a not a USER group! At least not more than in the sense that Oracle is Using Linux to sell more products and break away from Microsoft dependency. In the last two conferences, there were about 18 lectures of members of the community, while Oracle and PC, together, had one or zero. In the first conference, there was a plenary, and 4 sessions; 3 of the 4 (IIRC) were directed by members of the community, and most of the lecturers were members of the community. All of the 7 lecturers and panelists in the session that I directed were of the community. well, I won't argue here. community people donated their time and patience to give substance to an otherwise marketing-only conference. The ad this year says the speakers are Ness (who are trying to start a Linux department with some difficulty), Pini from STKI (who can mostly only quote the needs of Enterprise IT in Israel, because those are his clients), and Doron Ofek as the soul fig leaf of tech content. As I said before, I'll be speaking there too and I am paying dearly from my department's budget for 20 minutes on the podium. I want to use that to push my company, because that's my job there, and on the other hand as a community member I want to add some content to the event, however with barely 20 minutes, I am going to have to make some major concessions. In the meantime between the conferences, there were 4 meetings of KAHAT, three of them directed by members of the community (me, and Gilad and Shachar IIRC. Actually, even the fourth - Zvi Bruner - is far from being called non-member). Except for these narrow minded fixes, I agree. well, those are my points exactly, all the sessions you counted were a mini-confference by itself, organized by the community, and not anything to do with the marketoid ilug -- Common people Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Go-Linux 2005
Part of the reason Go-Linux was initially postponed because another group (in conjunction with AM) planned a similar (but much larger) Linux event for January 2 months later and suddenly all the vendors became confused as to which to sign up with. Then I suspect that they couldn't get vendors to sign up because the last one was kind of lame (I didn't sign up on the one that kept getting delayed because they couldn't give me the name of any other vendor who had signed up). Another time they canceled it again because they screwed up the dates: once on 17 of Tamuz, another time also had a conflict with something else. It got very disorganized. Stephen Leavitt סטיבן לויט Sales Director מנהל מכירות MainStream Solutions, Ltd. www.mainstream.co.il Tel: ++[972] - 2 - 561-2262 Fax: ++[972] - 3 - 725-6036 Cell: ++[972] - 52 - 277-6374 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shachar Shemesh Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 7:41 AM To: Eli Marmor Cc: Linux-IL Subject: Re: Go-Linux 2005 Eli Marmor wrote: Except for these narrow minded fixes, I agree. I've kept my mouth shut so far, because although the *facts* of the criticism were incorrect, as you well pointed out, the conclusion was not. The interest groups were to the point and non-marketirish, but they died. I tried to organize a second one, and nobody within PC would bother. As we have Haifux, Telux, JLC and the rest, I didn't bother too much myself. I couldn't help but notice that your interest group didn't conveen in the past year too. Ilan from Oracle, while being a great guy, and doing this Linux activity for all the right reasons, is still a marketing guy. I think the fact that Go-Linux 2004 was so lame, and that Go-Linux 2005 was postponed no less than 4 times already (and I fully expect a fifth) has something to do with the fact that Go-Linux 2003 was NOT just a marketing thing, but something with actual substance, and that PC know that, they would like to repeat that, *but they don't know how*. Some of the sponsors didn't like the way they were pushed aside for less important (and non-paying) things, and the result is a bit of a mess. Ilan tried to get Go-Linux 2005 to be a client oriented thing, something that is like a marketing conference with sponsors and everything, but would actually have CONTENT and be INTERESTING. He tried to dictate to the sponsors that they should all bring one of their clients on stage, rather than attempt to talk themselves. From the lack of a Go-Linux conference in August you can infer how successful that was. I have not heared from them since, despite trying a couple of times. No one there wants me to talk to sponsors (and they may be right, after all). Judging from the amount of preperations done for Go-Linux 2004 and Go-Linux 2003, I predict that should Go-Linux 2005 take place in November (as currently indicated), it will not have more substance than the 2004 version. Shachar P.S. For the 2004 conference, I was asked to give a lecture. The problem was that I wanted my lecture to be right for the audience. I thought the result was anemic and lacked real substance. On the other hand, most of the feedbacks I received were very positive. I guess it's all relative. Sh. -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up today's work? http://www.lingnu.com/backup.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Go-Linux 2005
Michael Vasiliev wrote: On Wednesday October 19 2005 19:41, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 07:23:31PM +0200, Lior Kaplan wrote: Hi, I saw at http://www.pc.co.il/linux2005 that there is a logo for Israel Linux User Group (IGLU ?!). No, ILUG, Israeli Linux User Group. No relation to IGLU or Hamakor or anything else that is community oriented. I have to admit that I found that confusing explanation quite...confusing. It's very simple. People and Computers have created together with Sun a group called JUG (or something similar) for the Java Users Group. JUG is basically an israeli Java users club sponsered promoted and driven by Sun and other commercial vendors. PC then tried to pull the same stunt with Linux, with Oracle in the lead. ILUG is basically a group of marketing people from various commercial entities and some CTOs and the like of big organizations using Linux. The leader of this group is a certain marketing executive from Oracle which is a nice eniough person but wouldn't recognize a Linux if one bit it in the behind. As far as I could tell, this group only exists for the single purpose of participating in the People and Computer events sponsered by the vendors. They don't seem to have any other activity, web site or forum/mailing list except some sporadic mailing between the organization once a year to organize the event. In the past attempts of helping this group gain some substance lead by Shachar Shemesh and Eli Marmor by organizing lectures and such has died out for lack of interest, depite their best efforts. Gilad. -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] Codefidence. A name you can trust(tm) Web: http://codefidence.com | SIP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IL: +972.9.8650475 ext. 201 | Fax:+972.9.8850643 US: +1.212.2026643 ext. 201 | Cel: +972.52.8260388 I am Jack's Overwritten Stack Pointer -- Hackers Club, the movie = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Go-Linux 2005
On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 02:08:30PM +0200, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: As far as I could tell, this group only exists for the single purpose of participating in the People and Computer events sponsered by the vendors. They don't seem to have any other activity, web site or forum/mailing list except some sporadic mailing between the organization once a year to organize the event. However if you do see past records about mails and such of ILUG related to Linux in Israel, this is because this ILUG was the previous name of IGLU. http://www.hackers.org.il/mediawiki/index.php?title=A_Brief_History_of_Linux_in_Israel#The_Linux-IL_Mailing_List -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il | | a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | best ICQ# 16849755 | | friend = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Go-Linux 2005
Quoting Shachar Shemesh, from the post of Thu, 20 Oct: Amazing though it may sound, I do belive that they simply did not start planning it yet. I am (usually) on their notification list for planning, and I have not heared anything from them. What you see on the site is a random list of lectures they picked, some (most) of them were probably paid for. Indeed, My department has paid for me to speak there. I have yet to recieve from them a list of the other speakers and subjects. I'm writing my lecture hoping Not to find out in the last minute it conflicts with another talk and have to rewrite it. Such amatures. -- Just got bought by AOL Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Go-Linux 2005
Quoting Michael Vasiliev, from the post of Thu, 20 Oct: I saw at http://www.pc.co.il/linux2005 that there is a logo for Israel Linux User Group (IGLU ?!). No, ILUG, Israeli Linux User Group. No relation to IGLU or Hamakor or anything else that is community oriented. I have to admit that I found that confusing explanation quite...confusing. PC have all sorts of clubs they organize to make the invited people feel exclusive. http://www.itclubs.co.il/ The Linux Users' group is a similar initiative (though if memory serves it's less tightly affiliated with PC, it's a joint marketing gimmick of Sun, SGI, IBM, Emet and a few others where the users in the title actually means companies that try to make a few more thousand dollars by waving a tux flag. In fact, AFAIK the only member of the community that ever witnessed one of their meetings (were there more than one?) Is Shachar Shemesh, and the only thing I think that came out of it was that Logo you saw that is pulled once a year, dusted and pasted on the Go Linux invitation. -- Fresh off the boat Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Go-Linux 2005
I also don't know anything about ILUG despite having maintained a booth at every Go-Linux conference there's been, but what exactly is wrong with PC running professional forums for Linux corporate users, or other clubs in other areas. Some of the clubs are exclusive. So what? They're tailored for specific audiences. A CFO isn't likely to go to a Linux hackers meeting to learn some new technique for a adapting some obscure graphic card to Linux, and a Linux hacker isn't likely to go to a CFO meeting to discuss which accounting methods is best used to determine the cost-benefits of managing Linux vs. Unix in an enterprise-scale environment. The corporate environment isn't the same as the enthusiast environment, and many times groups/organizations are created for the sole and simple purpose of letting other corporations know that they are in the game. That is how the corporate market works. Stephen Leavitt סטיבן לויט Sales Director מנהל מכירות MainStream Solutions, Ltd. www.mainstream.co.il Tel: ++[972] - 2 - 561-2262 Fax: ++[972] - 3 - 725-6036 Cell: ++[972] - 52 - 277-6374 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ira Abramov Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:30 PM To: Linux-IL Subject: Re: Go-Linux 2005 Quoting Michael Vasiliev, from the post of Thu, 20 Oct: I saw at http://www.pc.co.il/linux2005 that there is a logo for Israel Linux User Group (IGLU ?!). No, ILUG, Israeli Linux User Group. No relation to IGLU or Hamakor or anything else that is community oriented. I have to admit that I found that confusing explanation quite...confusing. PC have all sorts of clubs they organize to make the invited people feel exclusive. http://www.itclubs.co.il/ The Linux Users' group is a similar initiative (though if memory serves it's less tightly affiliated with PC, it's a joint marketing gimmick of Sun, SGI, IBM, Emet and a few others where the users in the title actually means companies that try to make a few more thousand dollars by waving a tux flag. In fact, AFAIK the only member of the community that ever witnessed one of their meetings (were there more than one?) Is Shachar Shemesh, and the only thing I think that came out of it was that Logo you saw that is pulled once a year, dusted and pasted on the Go Linux invitation. -- Fresh off the boat Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Go-Linux 2005
Disclaimer: I am not Hamakor member, I am not GO-Linux organizer, everything I write down here is my own thoughts, and express only my own foolishness, bad English, and really bad temper. If you continue to read after this point - don't expect any pity from me: There is of course no problem with having thousands of forums about Linux, Oracle, or any product. There is also no problem if these forums (or initiatives) compete, as competition is good for everyone(TM by Charles Darwin). The only question is when there are cases people look for the official forum. Then saying that some forum is the official would require the person who says this to prove the saying. I think the main problem was that the invitations to the GO-Linux can easily lead the reader to think that ILUG is the only official body, and between the two of us (and the precious list) and that ILUG is not too active... If Hamakor suggested help, and you declined it, that is one thing. If Hamakor suggested help and you said Don't call us we'll call you, that's another, and finally, we can still collaborate. Sometimes you do find hackers walking around in dignified environments (sometimes they were invited to enter the building, and didn't had to social engineer their way in). Sometimes you see CTOs/CEOs/CFOs and even UFOs wandering into hackers' events (sometimes they are spotted and are forced to wear I'm a fed T-shirt). So all in all, I think the nice thread can be summarized as: Go-linux is a commercial initiative, Hamakor is not. -- Orr Dunkelman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] If it wasn't for C, we'd be writing programs in BASI, PASAL, and OBOL, anon Spammers: http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~orrd/spam.html GPG fingerprint: C2D5 C6D6 9A24 9A95 C5B3 2023 6CAB 4A7C B73F D0AA (This key will never sign Emails, only other PGP keys.) On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Jobs - MainStream wrote: I also don't know anything about ILUG despite having maintained a booth at every Go-Linux conference there's been, but what exactly is wrong with PC running professional forums for Linux corporate users, or other clubs in other areas. Some of the clubs are exclusive. So what? They're tailored for specific audiences. A CFO isn't likely to go to a Linux hackers meeting to learn some new technique for a adapting some obscure graphic card to Linux, and a Linux hacker isn't likely to go to a CFO meeting to discuss which accounting methods is best used to determine the cost-benefits of managing Linux vs. Unix in an enterprise-scale environment. The corporate environment isn't the same as the enthusiast environment, and many times groups/organizations are created for the sole and simple purpose of letting other corporations know that they are in the game. That is how the corporate market works. Stephen Leavitt ñèéáï ìåéè Sales Director îðäì îëéøåú MainStream Solutions, Ltd. www.mainstream.co.il Tel: ++[972] - 2 - 561-2262 Fax: ++[972] - 3 - 725-6036 Cell: ++[972] - 52 - 277-6374 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ira Abramov Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:30 PM To: Linux-IL Subject: Re: Go-Linux 2005 Quoting Michael Vasiliev, from the post of Thu, 20 Oct: I saw at http://www.pc.co.il/linux2005 that there is a logo for Israel Linux User Group (IGLU ?!). No, ILUG, Israeli Linux User Group. No relation to IGLU or Hamakor or anything else that is community oriented. I have to admit that I found that confusing explanation quite...confusing. PC have all sorts of clubs they organize to make the invited people feel exclusive. http://www.itclubs.co.il/ The Linux Users' group is a similar initiative (though if memory serves it's less tightly affiliated with PC, it's a joint marketing gimmick of Sun, SGI, IBM, Emet and a few others where the users in the title actually means companies that try to make a few more thousand dollars by waving a tux flag. In fact, AFAIK the only member of the community that ever witnessed one of their meetings (were there more than one?) Is Shachar Shemesh, and the only thing I think that came out of it was that Logo you saw that is pulled once a year, dusted and pasted on the Go Linux invitation. -- Fresh off the boat Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail
Re: Go-Linux 2005
Ira Abramov wrote: The Linux Users' group is a similar initiative (though if memory serves it's less tightly affiliated with PC, it's a joint marketing gimmick of Sun, SGI, IBM, Emet and a few others where the users in the title actually You forgot Oracle, the life and the soul behind this organization. means companies that try to make a few more thousand dollars by waving To the best of my knowledge, they PAY a few more thousand Dollars, rather than MAKE them. But this is only my own opinion. a tux flag. In fact, AFAIK the only member of the community that ever witnessed one of their meetings (were there more than one?) Is Shachar Shemesh, And Doron Ofek. And Eli Marmor. And some others. s/some/many - if you use the language ever witnessed one of their meetings (Yonatan Ben-Avraham, Shlomi Fish, etc., to name some witnesses). In the last two conferences, there were about 18 lectures of members of the community, while Oracle and PC, together, had one or zero. In the first conference, there was a plenary, and 4 sessions; 3 of the 4 (IIRC) were directed by members of the community, and most of the lecturers were members of the community. All of the 7 lecturers and panelists in the session that I directed were of the community. In the second conference, there was a plenary, and one session - directed by me. It was long, so I could bring 6 lecturers and panelists from the community, and yet had the time to bring Yossi Vardi and Zeev Suraski (PHP co-developer and the ZE of ZEND. He described the difference between the business model of MySQL - dual license based on GPL - and ZEND - much more complex model, because PHP license is BSD. So you may count him too as member). Of course, there were lectures of members of the community also in the plenary. In the meantime between the conferences, there were 4 meetings of KAHAT, three of them directed by members of the community (me, and Gilad and Shachar IIRC. Actually, even the fourth - Zvi Bruner - is far from being called non-member). Except for these narrow minded fixes, I agree. -- Eli Marmor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Netmask (El-Mar) Internet Technologies Ltd. __ Tel.: +972-9-766-1020 8 Yad-Harutzim St. Fax.: +972-9-766-1314 P.O.B. 7004 Mobile: +972-50-5237338 Kfar-Saba 44641, Israel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Go-Linux 2005
Orna Agmon wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Lior Kaplan wrote: Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:23:31 +0200 From: Lior Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux-IL linux-il@linux.org.il, Ha'makor Discussions list discussions@hamakor.org.il Subject: Go-Linux 2005 Hi, I saw at http://www.pc.co.il/linux2005 that there is a logo for Israel Linux User Group (IGLU ?!). I didn't hear anything about this event from the community, and it seems we are not involved. Any one interested in changing this? (Keep in mind that the audience is for business and not philosophy). I talked to them some a couple of months ago, identified myself as a board member of hamakor, explained what hamakor is (yes, I needed to) and offered to cooperate. The person said they would get back to me. They did not. You are welcome to take it from here. Amazing though it may sound, I do belive that they simply did not start planning it yet. I am (usually) on their notification list for planning, and I have not heared anything from them. What you see on the site is a random list of lectures they picked, some (most) of them were probably paid for. Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Go-Linux 2005
On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 07:23:31PM +0200, Lior Kaplan wrote: Hi, I saw at http://www.pc.co.il/linux2005 that there is a logo for Israel Linux User Group (IGLU ?!). No, ILUG, Israeli Linux User Group. No relation to IGLU or Hamakor or anything else that is community oriented. I didn't hear anything about this event from the community, and it seems we are not involved. Any one interested in changing this? (Keep in mind that the audience is for business and not philosophy). Speaking for myself only, not particularly, but don't let that stop you ;-) Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Go-Linux 2005
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Lior Kaplan wrote: Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:23:31 +0200 From: Lior Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux-IL linux-il@linux.org.il, Ha'makor Discussions list discussions@hamakor.org.il Subject: Go-Linux 2005 Hi, I saw at http://www.pc.co.il/linux2005 that there is a logo for Israel Linux User Group (IGLU ?!). I didn't hear anything about this event from the community, and it seems we are not involved. Any one interested in changing this? (Keep in mind that the audience is for business and not philosophy). I talked to them some a couple of months ago, identified myself as a board member of hamakor, explained what hamakor is (yes, I needed to) and offered to cooperate. The person said they would get back to me. They did not. You are welcome to take it from here. Orna. -- Orna Agmon http://ladypine.org/ http://haifux.org/~ladypine/ ICQ: 348759096 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Go-Linux 2005
On Wednesday October 19 2005 19:41, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 07:23:31PM +0200, Lior Kaplan wrote: Hi, I saw at http://www.pc.co.il/linux2005 that there is a logo for Israel Linux User Group (IGLU ?!). No, ILUG, Israeli Linux User Group. No relation to IGLU or Hamakor or anything else that is community oriented. I have to admit that I found that confusing explanation quite...confusing. -- Sincerely Yours, Clueless If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy people? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
