Re: KRUD
On Mon, 22 May 2000, Ira Abramov wrote: ssh needs to generate a host key on installation, and do it in /mnt/etc instead of /etc if done in the CD install stage. does it do that correctly? No. The installer runs chrooted at that stage. The issue is a bit different. For some strange reason the openssh-servver package is installed before the openssl package. Thus its install script fails, spitting out something about libssl not found. I have not figured why this happens - openssh-server depenends on openssh, which depends on openssl . This means that openssl should have been installed earlier. If you want to see this happen: uninstall all the openss[lh] pacckages, and then run: rpm -iv openssl rpm openssh rpm openssh-server rpm Any ideas? -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KRUD
Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm looking over it, and I'm not too sure what they do "better". they include a few useful RPMs like ssh and ssl that can't come from RHAT (and I have no idea how they can ship it on CD to non-US destinations, but they seem to do). IIRC, ssh is developed and maintained from Finland. I am sure the company has a US presence, in all probability in SIlicon Valley, but I don't think ssh ever was a purely US product. Therefore, there should not be a problem with shipping it outside of US. Besides, there are 2 versions, commerciall and non-commercial. I suspect there is a difference in encription, and I don't know which is shipped by KRUD. -- Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Inventions ... cannot, in nature, be a subject of property." T. Jefferson. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KRUD
On 21 May 2000, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: IIRC, ssh is developed and maintained from Finland. I am sure the company has a US presence, in all probability in SIlicon Valley, but I don't think ssh ever was a purely US product. Therefore, there should not be a problem with shipping it outside of US. Besides, there are 2 versions, commerciall and non-commercial. I suspect there is a difference in encription, and I don't know which is shipped by KRUD. if it was that simple redhat and everybody would have sold it too. Mandrake, which is in France, doesn't include it on the CD either. there ARE legal problems with it. whatever :-) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KRUD
Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if it was that simple redhat and everybody would have sold it too. Mandrake, which is in France, doesn't include it on the CD either. there ARE legal problems with it. I suspect it's licensing (not GPL, free for "non-commercial" use) that precludes distribution, not USA vs. the rest of the world. whatever :-) So stipulated ;-) -- Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Inventions ... cannot, in nature, be a subject of property." T. Jefferson. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KRUD
On Sun, 21 May 2000, Ira Abramov wrote: On 21 May 2000, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: IIRC, ssh is developed and maintained from Finland. I am sure the company has a US presence, in all probability in SIlicon Valley, but I don't think ssh ever was a purely US product. Therefore, there should not be a problem with shipping it outside of US. Besides, there are 2 versions, commerciall and non-commercial. I suspect there is a difference in encription, and I don't know which is shipped by KRUD. The ssh packages come in two versions: a "us" one, that users RSAREF, and an "international" one, that doesn't. ssh1 is freely distributable (IIRC). Butt there is also openssh, which has no commercial issues. Anybody here tried openssh 2.1 (the added ssh2 protocol support to that recent version)? But I remeber seeing an advisory on RedHat's updates list about a problem with an ssh package (that was incorrectly packaged by RH staf, IIRC) if it was that simple redhat and everybody would have sold it too. Mandrake, which is in France, doesn't include it on the CD Mandrake is in Fance, or the US? either. there ARE legal problems with it. Mandrake makes it availble for download from a seperate site. If you manage to set up an internet connection at install time you have the option of downloading all of those packages at install-time. Anyway - this is one of the things I added to my modified Mandrake image. whatever :-) -- Tzafrir Cohen http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KRUD
On Mon, 22 May 2000, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: The ssh packages come in two versions: a "us" one, that users RSAREF, and an "international" one, that doesn't. and neither is allowed to be exported from the USA. although they were first IMported to begin with, doesn't matter (yes, weird law) ssh1 is freely distributable (IIRC). Butt there is also openssh, which has no commercial issues. but has the same re-export problem (it's not developed in the US either) if it was that simple redhat and everybody would have sold it too. Mandrake, which is in France, doesn't include it on the CD Mandrake is in Fance, or the US? like I wrote, Mandrake is a French company. although I heard rumors they want to open a dev center in Israel. anyone knows who their local contact is? Mandrake makes it availble for download from a seperate site. If you manage to set up an internet connection at install time you have the option of downloading all of those packages at install-time. works nice, but lets you choose only from a limited list of European sites. if you figure out how to edit that list when making a distro, please add the one on IGLU. Anyway - this is one of the things I added to my modified Mandrake image. ssh needs to generate a host key on installation, and do it in /mnt/etc instead of /etc if done in the CD install stage. does it do that correctly? -- Ira Abramov ; Penguinophile ; www.linux.org.il "Linux poses a real challenge for those with a taste for late-night hacking (and/or conversations with God)." (By Matt Welsh) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KRUD
Again, I didn't ask anybody to read the information at the URL that I mentioned and to copy it to here, even with interpretations, etc. I just asked if anybody had any experience with it. P.S. If people are so curious to know why it is better than Mandrake, then nobody ever said it is better. I guess that each one has its own advantages. If you ask me, I would say that KRUD's advantages are: 1. More up-to-date (KRUD is based on the April 2000 versions of the various packages, while Mandrake 7 is based on MUCH older versions). 2. For RH lovers, KRUD is more synchronized with RH (it's synchronized with 6.2, while the latest synchronization of Mandrake with RH was 6.0, IIRC). Of course, Mandrake has its own advantages, too. People also asked what is the difference between KRUD and RH6.2. If I understood correctly, then the main differences are: 1. Various crypto packages (OpenSSL, etc.). 2. The packages are updated to end of April, including all of the RH errata (and security!), etc. 3. Other useful packages that KRUD believes are useful (e.g. VNC). But again, advantages over Mandrake and/or RH was not the question; The question was only about experience. Thanks, -- Eli Marmor = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KRUD
On Fri, May 19, 2000, Eli Marmor wrote about "KRUD": Does anybody have any experience with this distro? Is it better/safer to install and use the latest version of it in comparison with the original RH6.2? I don't know this distribution. Can you give us a reference? Krud.com and Krud.org are not Linux distributions. Or is this a code name of one of Redhat's distributions (in which case, where do I find it?) ? Anyway, I couldn't resist making fun of the name of this distribution. From Merriam-Webster's online dictionary (www.m-w.com): Main Entry: crud Function: noun 2 a : a deposit or incrustation of filth, grease, or refuse b : something disagreeable or disgusting : RUBBISH c slang : a despicable or contemptible person Yes, this was a wisely-chosen name for a distribution :) -- Nadav Har'El| Friday, May 19 2000, 14 Iyyar 5760 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Can Microsoft make a product that http://nadav.harel.org.il |doesn't suck? Yes, a vacuum cleaner! = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KRUD
EM Does anybody have any experience with this distro? Is it better/safer EM to install and use the latest version of it in comparison with the EM original RH6.2? I Installed 6.0 from KRUD, IIRC. The same as RH only some RPMS are updated (from RH updates, I guess) and some are added (don't remember which exactly, but can look on disk on Sunday). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/ There shall be counsels taken Stanislav Malyshev /\ Stronger than Morgul-spells phone +972-3-9316425/\ JRRT LotR. http://sharat.co.il/frodo/ whois:!SM8333 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KRUD
Nadav Har'El wrote:
On Fri, May 19, 2000, Eli Marmor wrote about "KRUD":
Does anybody have any experience with this distro? Is it better/safer
to install and use the latest version of it in comparison with the
original RH6.2?
I don't know this distribution. Can you give us a reference? Krud.com and
I could give it easily, but it couldn't help you to give a better
answer for my original question ("Does anybody have any EXPERIENCE
with this distro?"); If you need a URL, then you don't have any
experience for sure (and I already read everything that the URL and
the links from it had about KRUD).
Anyway, the link is http://www.tummy.com/krud/
By the way: In any case that you want to get more details about any
Linux distribution, my recommendation is to start the search in the
following page: http://lwn.net/dists/ (I think it has details about
ANY distro I ever heard about...).
Thanks anyway!
Frodo wrote:
I Installed 6.0 from KRUD etc.
...
Thank you. Anyway, since 6.0 is ancient (in terms of Linux ;-), I'm
still looking for impressions of other users.
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Re: KRUD
On Fri, 19 May 2000, Eli Marmor wrote: Anyway, the link is http://www.tummy.com/krud/ I'm looking over it, and I'm not too sure what they do "better". they include a few useful RPMs like ssh and ssl that can't come from RHAT (and I have no idea how they can ship it on CD to non-US destinations, but they seem to do). one cute thing they DO do themselves is a thing called Isinglass: http://www.tummy.com/isinglass/ which is a mini-firewall and hardner script for linux dialup users to protect against script kiddie surf-by shootings. the problem it's out of date (uses IPFWADM and not IPChains) and is under the MPL. Mandrake installs ssh and ssl for you now too, and has pentium optimizations. if you see any indication KRUD beets that somehow, tell me... -- Ira Abramov ; Penguinophile ; www.linux.org.il We use Linux for all our mission-critical applications. Having the source code means that we are not held hostage by anyone's support department. (Russell Nelson, President of Crynwr Software) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KRUD
With new Mandrake (that will be 7.1 beta n (where n1) comes gnome firewall admin (aka frontend to ipchaines) with a dozen of usefull configurtions : for a dial-up, lan, server, etc and there is also PHP Firewall Generator http://phpfwgen.sourceforge.net/ On Fri, 19 May 2000, Eli Marmor wrote: Anyway, the link is http://www.tummy.com/krud/ I'm looking over it, and I'm not too sure what they do "better". they include a few useful RPMs like ssh and ssl that can't come from RHAT (and I have no idea how they can ship it on CD to non-US destinations, but they seem to do). one cute thing they DO do themselves is a thing called Isinglass: http://www.tummy.com/isinglass/ which is a mini-firewall and hardner script for linux dialup users to protect against script kiddie surf-by shootings. the problem it's out of date (uses IPFWADM and not IPChains) and is under the MPL. Mandrake installs ssh and ssl for you now too, and has pentium optimizations. if you see any indication KRUD beets that somehow, tell me... -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KRUD
On Fri, 19 May 2000, Evgeny Zemlerub wrote: With new Mandrake (that will be 7.1 beta n (where n1) comes gnome firewall admin (aka frontend to ipchaines) with a dozen of usefull configurtions : for a dial-up, lan, server, etc by then 2.4 will be out and we'll need IPtables :-) and there is also PHP Firewall Generator http://phpfwgen.sourceforge.net/ and for that you need to install PHP too, right? we only need something simple for beginners. installing php is not in that category. but the point is right, there are FREE alternatives. so, still: what's so great about KRUD? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
