Re: Interesting MS article
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:19:59 -0400 Gerard Beekmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] (by way of Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Sorry for the URL I didn't make it up, but the read it quite interesting. I've not confirmed any of it, but it sure sounds like something Microsoft would do. http://www.fuckmicrosoft.com/content/ms-hidden-files.shtml Also interesting was the Caldera (non)link on the left. -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Opinions on the enlightenment window manager
On 11 Apr 2002, at 17:57, Net Llama! boldly uttered: On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Philip J. Koenig wrote: Recently I became aware of the Enlightenment window manager. I first got interested after seeing a screenshot of a neat transparency effect which I find very attractive. That's hardly a unique feature any longer. Most window managers and/or terminals have that now. OK, thanks for that info. I haven't explored them much beyond the default stuff that ships with the installed distro. I was wondering if anyone had experience using it, and what their Lots of eye candy. Lots of bloat. Although KDE seems to have upped the ante on bloat these days. Yep well the eye candy is certainly appealing to some of us, as long as it doesn't come with a laundry list of problems and issues. :-) (I'll take stability and performance over eye candy generally speaking) thoughts are. Also if other environments provide a similar transparency effect. Sure. Konsole, aterm, wterm, Eterm. You don't need the window manager for that. OK so those all sound like terminal apps. Therefore I assume at this point the appeal of Englightenment goes beyond transparent terminal windows, to various other aspects of the UI? Or are you saying that ie KDE does most of what Enlightenment does in the visual respect now? Thanks, Phil -- Philip J. Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers Communications for the New Millenium ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Interesting MS article
On 11 Apr 2002, at 20:19, by way of Douglas J Hunley boldly uttered: Sorry for the URL I didn't make it up, but the read it quite interesting. I've not confirmed any of it, but it sure sounds like something Microsoft would do. http://www.fuckmicrosoft.com/content/ms-hidden-files.shtml [Warning: this is long] Using Windows 2000, IE 5.5-SP2 Before clearing history, I searched for the described files. 1) None of the files were hidden, and even if they were, it would hardly be rocket science to search for them. (I use 3rd party utilities for file mgmt because Windows Exploder is pretty worthless) (I note that some *directories* were hidden, ie Local Settings. But with a good file manager this isn't a big deal.) 2) They were all located in one of: c:\documents and settings\Default User c:\documents and settings\local username Since previous versions of Windows didn't use the documents and settings folder, it is logical that they would be saved wherever the rest of IE's local user data is saved under the convention used for that particular version of Windows - ie c:\windows\profiles. 3) Subdirectories under the main dirs above where index.dat files were found included: \Cookies\index.dat \Local Settings\History\History.IE5\index.dat \Local Settings\History\History.IE5\MSHist01date str\index.dat \Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\index.dat (date str is a string of chars that identifies the date of the history record, in a format like 01200204110020413 for April 11, 2002 and presumably some timestamp) I then cleared the cache and history from IE's tools menu, and searched again for the files. 1) All directories named with date str except the most recent one were deleted. 2) The following files were not touched, but had no obvious data in them anyway: \Default User\Cookies\index.dat \Default User\Local Settings\History\History.IE5\index.dat 3) The following files appear to have had all of their data cleared except a small fragment found in one file (a 400 char long URL that may have just triggered a bug in the clearing routine): \local user\Local Settings\History\History.IE5\index.dat \local user\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\ index.dat (wrapped) 4) The following files were not touched, but did contain history data: \local user\Cookies\index.dat \local user\Local Settings\History\History.IE5\MSHist01datestr index.dat (wrapped) So to sum up, the only data remaining in these hidden files were: A) Cookie data (IE doesn't claim to erase cookie data when clearing the cache or history, neither do Netscape or Opera) B) History for the very last IE session. While item B is slightly annoying, and IE has plenty of other security problems, someone is putting their Chicken Little hat on a little bit early here. Phil -- Philip J. Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers Communications for the New Millenium ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: success story posted by linux.org
yes, it's an old one, dated Aug-2001 http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/08/10/1441239 Joel Hammer wrote: I have seen this same success story multiple times on the internet. I wonder why we don't see more success stories like this? Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- May the Force and Farce be with Linux and you. Join the kids in http://www.linux-sxs.org news://news.hkpcug.org ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: ext3 vs. reiserFS
Thanks for the info! I will check it out. Harry G On Friday April 12 2002 04:56 pm, you interfaced in analog form: 3 workstations, 1 laptop, and 2 servers. On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Harry G wrote: On a server, workstation, 200 workstations, etc. Harry G On Friday April 12 2002 04:44 pm, you interfaced in analog form: Since last July. I'm not sure what you mean by capacity. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: ext3 vs. reiserFS
Net Llama! wrote: ext3 ReiserFS are not the only journaling FS around. There's also XFS, and JFS. I use XFS, and have never had any problems. On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Harry G wrote: I am going to be setting up a new workstation, probably with Suse. I have a little experience with ext 3 file system (OK so far) but are there any advantages of one over the other? File integrity is the prime consideration, as apposed to speed. Thank you in advance. Harry G Hands down XFS is the winner for me. I've had numerous problems with ext3 and data corruption on machines that run Reiserfs without a hiccup. ext3 wins the speed contests, Reiser seems more stable, XFS is far more mature with SGI's core code that's proven on thousands of high end servers and workstations. JFS is also proven and I have over 90 RS/6000 machines running AIX 4.3 and 5L that never so much as blink on a power failure recovery. I'd choose in order: XFS JFS Reiser ext3 ext2 As always, YMMV- A. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: ext3 vs. reiserFS
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Andrew Mathews wrote: Net Llama! wrote: ext3 ReiserFS are not the only journaling FS around. There's also XFS, and JFS. I use XFS, and have never had any problems. On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Harry G wrote: I am going to be setting up a new workstation, probably with Suse. I have a little experience with ext 3 file system (OK so far) but are there any advantages of one over the other? File integrity is the prime consideration, as apposed to speed. Thank you in advance. Harry G Hands down XFS is the winner for me. I've had numerous problems with ext3 and data corruption on machines that run Reiserfs without a hiccup. ext3 wins the speed contests, Reiser seems more stable, XFS is far more mature with SGI's core code that's proven on thousands of high end servers and workstations. JFS is also proven and I have over 90 RS/6000 machines running AIX 4.3 and 5L that never so much as blink on a power failure recovery. I'd choose in order: XFS JFS Reiser ext3 ext2 Yes, to elaborate a bit more on my experience with XFS, its been rock solid for me. I once (foolishly) forgot to plug the laptop with XFS into AC power, and left it up overnight. Needless to say, the battery died, and the box never shutdown properly. However, as soon as I plugged it in, and powered it up, I was good to go. There are actually alot of XFS performance tuning steps you can take to make it perform alot more in line with ext3. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Getting together
On Sat, 13 Apr 2002, Keith Antoine wrote: Well Shawn Taylor and I did the get together 'thing'. He and his wife were vissiting friends on the Gold Coast and were able to give me 2 days of their time. It was just terrific to actually meet someone from the list and one that used to be in the 'old' Caldera list too. I enjoyed myself in being able to show them around and fill them with seafood, plus they saw many of the actual scenes from the onsite photos. I think they enjoyed themselves, even to the point of rebuilding my machine as it blew a power supply. So how are allyou getting to 'meets' or is it still too cold for that. It was a nice 27-29 and as usual sunny for them. It hasn't been nearly that warm here in the SF Bay area, but it has been getting into the low 20's C (low 70sF) for the past few weeks. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: ext3 vs. reiserFS
On Friday 12 April 2002 04:33 pm, Harry G wrote: I am going to be setting up a new workstation, probably with Suse. I have a little experience with ext 3 file system (OK so far) but are there any advantages of one over the other? File integrity is the prime consideration, as apposed to speed. Thank you in advance. Harry G Ext3 is in fact an extension of the ext2 FS. I have been using it for quite sometime and find it far superior to reiserfs AFAIC. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: ext3 vs. reiserFS
On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 04:33:15PM -0400, Harry G wrote: I am going to be setting up a new workstation, probably with Suse. I have a little experience with ext 3 file system (OK so far) but are there any advantages of one over the other? File integrity is the prime consideration, as apposed to speed. I haven't much experience with extended file systems other than reiserfs, just a bit with ext3 recently. My experience with reiserfs has been bad on my laptop running Caldera 3.1 Workstation. At some point the file system became corrupted, and the system would panic during the boot process. I was able to boot using ``init=/bin/sh'', run reiserfsck (or whatever it's called), and get the system bootable agail. I immediately copied the reiserfs to a spare partition of identical size, but as ext2 (we always create a small ext2 /boot and two identical 2.5gb partitions for the OS and a backup when originally installing the systems). I added the new file system to /boot/grub/menu.lst and edited its /etc/fstab file so that it was available if necessary as a backup. Shortly after doing this, the reiserfs hosed itself again so I made the ext2 file system the default. An interesting tidbit is that the ext2 file system appears to be less efficient than reiser as there was less free space on the copied file system than the reiserfs one. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied them the usual way. This happens to us all the time with computers, and nobody thinks of complaining. -- Jef Raskin http://jefraskin.com/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Getting together
On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 05:43:14PM -0400, Net Llama! wrote: ... It hasn't been nearly that warm here in the SF Bay area, but it has been getting into the low 20's C (low 70sF) for the past few weeks. Was it Mark Twain who said, ``the coldest winter I've ever seen was a summer in San Francisco''? Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``The Income Tax has made more Liars out of American people than Golf has.'' Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Getting together
Gawsh...you guys are so luckywe just reached double digits in celcius here in Calgary, Alberta, Canada :) We have been having minus degrees celcius here...past month or so Consider yourself lucky heheh... Jerry - Original Message - From: Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Getting together On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 05:43:14PM -0400, Net Llama! wrote: ... It hasn't been nearly that warm here in the SF Bay area, but it has been getting into the low 20's C (low 70sF) for the past few weeks. Was it Mark Twain who said, ``the coldest winter I've ever seen was a summer in San Francisco''? Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``The Income Tax has made more Liars out of American people than Golf has.'' Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: ext3 vs. reiserFS
Scribbling feverishly on April 12, Harry G managed to emit: I am going to be setting up a new workstation, probably with Suse. I have a little experience with ext 3 file system (OK so far) but are there any advantages of one over the other? File integrity is the prime consideration, as apposed to speed. For me, XFS wins hands down. It has the most mature code base, because it's been in use on SGI's high performance workstations for years. I understand JFS is also solid, but have no personal experience with it. I've also used ext3 and have had no problems *so far* with data corruption. In descending order of preference based on my own experience: XFS ext3 ext2 That said, allow me to recommend a book, Linux Filesystems, written by William von Hagen. It was written with a 2.4.9 kernel in mind, but the issues should be the same. He covers all of the major and some of the minor filesystems available for Linux. He also covers distributed filesystems (OpenAFS and NFS come to mind), Netware, Samba, Netatalk logical volume management, how to perform benchmarking for your environment, and so on. Great book -- I've just started reading my (personally autographed) copy, but I can already see that it will be a keeper. Kurt -- You have a deep appreciation of the arts and music. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Getting together
Oh, i do. Its a pleasure to be able to wear shorts in January. Jerry wrote: Gawsh...you guys are so luckywe just reached double digits in celcius here in Calgary, Alberta, Canada :) We have been having minus degrees celcius here...past month or so Consider yourself lucky heheh... Jerry - Original Message - From: Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Getting together On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 05:43:14PM -0400, Net Llama! wrote: ... It hasn't been nearly that warm here in the SF Bay area, but it has been getting into the low 20's C (low 70sF) for the past few weeks. Was it Mark Twain who said, ``the coldest winter I've ever seen was a summer in San Francisco''? Bill -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step: http://netllama.ipfox.com 6:05pm up 14 days, 7:58, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.01 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: ext3 vs. reiserFS
Kurt Wall wrote: That said, allow me to recommend a book, Linux Filesystems, written by William von Hagen. It was written with a 2.4.9 kernel in mind, but the issues should be the same. He covers all of the major and some of the minor filesystems available for Linux. He also covers distributed filesystems (OpenAFS and NFS come to mind), Netware, Samba, Netatalk logical volume management, how to perform benchmarking for your environment, and so on. Great book -- I've just started reading my (personally autographed) copy, but I can already see that it will be a keeper. Kurt, mind if i ask how you snagged an autographed copy? -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step: http://netllama.ipfox.com 6:05pm up 14 days, 7:58, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.01 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Opinions on the enlightenment window manager
Soooie, Sooie Pig! Here KDE, Here Enlightment! Sooie! I started the change to xfce before KDE 3 was released. I'm glad I did - I'm still on KDE 2.2 but moving off and think I'll skip 3.0! I got enough problems already! Net Llama! wrote: Kurt Wall wrote: Scribbling feverishly on April 12, Net Llama! managed to emit: [...] They're prolly close to being on par in terms of visual features (althoug, truth be told, i haven't used either in quite some times). Enlightenment is (currently) just a window manager, although there are plans to make it an enenvironment. Great, just what we need, *another* pig for a Grand High Falutin' reverbDesktop Environment/reverb. What can you expect when you have two egos as bloated as Mandrake Raster leading the team? -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Opinions on the enlightenment window manager
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:31:54 -0500 Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soooie, Sooie Pig! Here KDE, Here Enlightment! Sooie! I started the change to xfce before KDE 3 was released. I'm glad I did - I'm still on KDE 2.2 but moving off and think I'll skip 3.0! I got enough problems already! Net Llama! wrote: Kurt Wall wrote: Scribbling feverishly on April 12, Net Llama! managed to emit: [...] They're prolly close to being on par in terms of visual features (althoug, truth be told, i haven't used either in quite some times). Enlightenment is (currently) just a window manager, although there are plans to make it an enenvironment. Great, just what we need, *another* pig for a Grand High Falutin' reverbDesktop Environment/reverb. What can you expect when you have two egos as bloated as Mandrake Raster leading the team? Actually, I'm primarily an xfce fan, but I decided to give kde3 a spin. Bloatware it is, but it's pretty high quality bloatware. Much peppier than the older releases. Konqueror is an excellent browser; Kmail is tolerable. I still prefer Mozilla (or Galeon) and Sylpheed. Fortunately, I'm running a gentoo system, so I don't have to worry about the installation crap - just fire it up and stand back for about 5 hours. If you have a midrange PC (800Mz - 256M), kde3 is a reasonable solution. I could see kde3 appealing to a lot of folks who aren't linux heavyweights. For the tinkerers among us, nothing will replaced the stripped-down desktops like xfce or blackbox. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? Gentoo_rc6-15(1.1a) 2.4.19pre - kde3 + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: New list feature!
Scribbling feverishly on April 12, Douglas J Hunley managed to emit: Just thought I'd let everyone know that all mailing lists on linux-sxs.org (and anyone who has an email account on the box) is now protected from viruses by File::Scan. K3w1. Kurt -- Your object is to save the world, while still leading a pleasant life. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Opinions on the enlightenment window manager
Scribbling feverishly on April 12, Net Llama! managed to emit: Kurt Wall wrote: [...] Great, just what we need, *another* pig for a Grand High Falutin' reverbDesktop Environment/reverb. What can you expect when you have two egos as bloated as Mandrake Raster leading the team? Bloated reverbDesktop Environments/reverb to match? ;-) 'course, I have my own slightly plump ego, so whoami to point fingers? K -- You may be infinitely smaller than some things, but you're infinitely larger than others. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: ext3 vs. reiserFS
Collins wrote: xfs questions 1) now that it's available in kernel source, is the version merged It is? When did that happen? That's great news from my perspective, as waiting for the patch is always a pain. into the kernel any better or worse than before? I used it briefly some time ago, but got really tired tm of finding out that I couldn't upgrade my kernel when I wanted to. I would assume that's no longer a problem? Well, if its merged into the kernel, then it should be the same code from the official XFS tree. 2) Any problems with grub and/or lilo? None that I know of, although i don't use GRUB anywhere. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step: http://netllama.ipfox.com 6:05pm up 14 days, 7:58, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.01 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: ext3 vs. reiserFS
Scribbling feverishly on April 12, Net Llama! managed to emit: Kurt Wall wrote: That said, allow me to recommend a book, Linux Filesystems, written by William von Hagen. It was written with a 2.4.9 kernel in mind, but the issues should be the same. He covers all of the major and some of the minor filesystems available for Linux. He also covers distributed filesystems (OpenAFS and NFS come to mind), Netware, Samba, Netatalk logical volume management, how to perform benchmarking for your environment, and so on. Great book -- I've just started reading my (personally autographed) copy, but I can already see that it will be a keeper. Kurt, mind if i ask how you snagged an autographed copy? I don't mind at all. I asked him for one. He sits right across from me at work. Kurt -- Be cautious in your daily affairs. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Opinions on the enlightenment window manager
Kurt Wall wrote: Scribbling feverishly on April 12, Net Llama! managed to emit: Kurt Wall wrote: [...] Great, just what we need, *another* pig for a Grand High Falutin' reverbDesktop Environment/reverb. What can you expect when you have two egos as bloated as Mandrake Raster leading the team? Bloated reverbDesktop Environments/reverb to match? ;-) 'course, I have my own slightly plump ego, so whoami to point fingers? Yea, but have ever attended meetings with sun glasses? -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step: http://netllama.ipfox.com 8:45pm up 14 days, 10:38, 3 users, load average: 0.05, 0.13, 0.07 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Opinions on the enlightenment window manager
Well, Konq is one reason I left KDE. Konq as a browser is useless - it can't handle most of the pages I visit (and they aren't browser specific either). However, Mozilla can handle those same pages without a problem at all. It got so I would open in Konq, close Konq because it couldn't handle the page, open Mozilla and it would work. My frustration is from the fact I like many of Konq's features but it's broken. When it was reported (by many of us) we got the standard KDE response to all bugs - It is fixed in the version we are working on (KDE 3 at the time) so we aren't going to waste time fixing it in the version everyone is using. At that time KDE 3 was almost a year away - like what was I supposed to do - work with a broken browser! No way. I now use Mozilla. All I have to do is figure out how to get KDE to open Mozilla instead of Konq when I click on a link and make it work (I've tried the control center route but I get a can't open temp file error. No fix for that one either. KDE is nice from the standpoint that it's a package but if all they are working on is the next release (now 3.1 probably G) and leave us to work with broken stuff I don't need it. Maybe they worked on KDE and it lost some weight in 3.0 G. Unfortunately, it seems too many people are getting tied up in the got to add everything syndrome. One app that was recommended to me requires I install a bunch of gnome stuff just because the author wanted to do something with the GUI. I don'e run Gnome, don't want to and don't want to clutter up my system with it just so an app can give me pretty windows that could have been done without it. I am going to xfce because it's simple and I can add what I need as I need it. What's gentoo? Collins wrote: On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:31:54 -0500 Brett I. Holcomb Actually, I'm primarily an xfce fan, but I decided to give kde3 a spin. Bloatware it is, but it's pretty high quality bloatware. Much peppier than the older releases. Konqueror is an excellent browser; Kmail is tolerable. I still prefer Mozilla (or Galeon) and Sylpheed. Fortunately, I'm running a gentoo system, so I don't have to worry about the installation crap - just fire it up and stand back for about 5 hours. If you have a midrange PC (800Mz - 256M), kde3 is a reasonable solution. I could see kde3 appealing to a lot of folks who aren't linux heavyweights. For the tinkerers among us, nothing will replaced the stripped-down desktops like xfce or blackbox. -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: ext3 vs. reiserFS
Kurt Wall wrote: Scribbling feverishly on April 12, Net Llama! managed to emit: Kurt Wall wrote: That said, allow me to recommend a book, Linux Filesystems, written by William von Hagen. It was written with a 2.4.9 kernel in mind, but the issues should be the same. He covers all of the major and some of the minor filesystems available for Linux. He also covers distributed filesystems (OpenAFS and NFS come to mind), Netware, Samba, Netatalk logical volume management, how to perform benchmarking for your environment, and so on. Great book -- I've just started reading my (personally autographed) copy, but I can already see that it will be a keeper. Kurt, mind if i ask how you snagged an autographed copy? I don't mind at all. I asked him for one. He sits right across from me at work. I see. You're such a name dropper. *wink* -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step: http://netllama.ipfox.com 8:55pm up 14 days, 10:48, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.01 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: ext3 vs. reiserFS
Scribbling feverishly on April 12, Net Llama! managed to emit: Collins wrote: xfs questions 1) now that it's available in kernel source, is the version merged It is? When did that happen? That's great news from my perspective, as waiting for the patch is always a pain. Hmm, it's listed as Beta for 2.5 on the kernel status page (http://kernelnewbies.org/status/latest.html). K -- Save energy: be apathetic. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Opinions on the enlightenment window manager
Brett I. Holcomb wrote: [SNIP] broken browser! No way. I now use Mozilla. All I have to do is figure out how to get KDE to open Mozilla instead of Konq when I click on a link and make it work (I've tried the control center route but I get a can't open temp file error. No fix for that one either. You've got the source, fix it! ;) What's gentoo? The latest must have distro. Basically, *everything* gets compiled from source, starting with the initial install. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step: http://netllama.ipfox.com 9:00pm up 14 days, 10:53, 3 users, load average: 0.09, 0.03, 0.01 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: ext3 vs. reiserFS
Kurt Wall wrote: Scribbling feverishly on April 12, Net Llama! managed to emit: Collins wrote: xfs questions 1) now that it's available in kernel source, is the version merged It is? When did that happen? That's great news from my perspective, as waiting for the patch is always a pain. Hmm, it's listed as Beta for 2.5 on the kernel status page (http://kernelnewbies.org/status/latest.html). Ahhh...ok. I had heard that it wasn't going to be added to 2.5.x eventually, but i thought Collins meant 2.4.x. Oh well, had my hopes up and all. Guess its back to patching kernels. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step: http://netllama.ipfox.com 9:00pm up 14 days, 10:53, 3 users, load average: 0.09, 0.03, 0.01 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
OT Re: Getting together
Bill Campbell wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 05:43:14PM -0400, Net Llama! wrote: ... It hasn't been nearly that warm here in the SF Bay area, but it has been getting into the low 20's C (low 70sF) for the past few weeks. Was it Mark Twain who said, ``the coldest winter I've ever seen was a summer in San Francisco''? Yes, it was. However two points bear mentioning: 1) The temperature in SF proper is almost always 10 to 25F colder than the southern and eastern suburbs, especially in the summer. I remember quite a few days last summer when it was in the 90sF where i live, and in the 70sF in SF. This is due to both the fact that the city is surrounded on 3 sides by water, and the fog that covers it for about 15 hours/day. 2) The warmest winter i've ever had was the winter i've lived in the bay area. Spending my entire life living somewhere in the northeastern USA, it was a true pleasure not to see any snow all winter long. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step: http://netllama.ipfox.com 6:05pm up 14 days, 7:58, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.01 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Opinions on the enlightenment window manager
Net Llama! wrote: Brett I. Holcomb wrote: [SNIP] open temp file error. No fix for that one either. You've got the source, fix it! ;) ROFL! What's gentoo? The latest must have distro. Basically, *everything* gets compiled from source, starting with the initial install. Well, that's one way to make sure it all works. Who puts it out? -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Opinions on the enlightenment window manager
On 12 Apr 2002, at 12:12, Net Llama! boldly uttered: On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Philip J. Koenig wrote: Therefore I assume at this point the appeal of Englightenment goes beyond transparent terminal windows, to various other aspects of the UI? Or are you saying that ie KDE does most of what Enlightenment does in the visual respect now? They're prolly close to being on par in terms of visual features (althoug, truth be told, i haven't used either in quite some times). Enlightenment is (currently) just a window manager, although there are plans to make it an enenvironment. Yep, although this v17 apparently is going to break all the stuff made for v16. I think if KDE is even somewhat down the road to what they're doing I see no point in needlessly complicating my life with a non-mainstream window environment which is about to obsolete itself anyway. :-) Thanks for the input, much appreciated. Phil -- Philip J. Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers Communications for the New Millenium ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Opinions on the enlightenment window manager
On 12 Apr 2002, at 23:02, Brett I. Holcomb boldly uttered: Well, Konq is one reason I left KDE. Konq as a browser is useless - it can't handle most of the pages I visit (and they aren't browser specific either). However, Mozilla can handle those same pages without a problem at all. It got so I would open in Konq, close Konq because it couldn't handle the page, open Mozilla and it would work. My frustration is from the fact I like many of Konq's features but it's broken. When it was reported (by many of us) we got the standard KDE response to all bugs - It is fixed in the version we are working on (KDE 3 at the time) so we aren't going to waste time fixing it in the version everyone is using. At that time KDE 3 was almost a year away - like what was I supposed to do - work with a broken browser! No way. I now use Mozilla. I realize the OSS purists yell four-letter words at the thought, but you should also consider Opera. If Mozilla runs on Linux anything like the way it runs on Windows, Opera will run rings around it performance-wise and not use up half the resources either. I run Opera and Netscape on my (admittedly not extremely cutting-edge stock Caldera eWkstn 3.1) Linux/KDE box, and it puts Netscape 4 to shame. Been using it as standard browser under Windoze and I'm personally *glad* to pay these guys to keep in the market a legit alternative to those free browsers that are just acting as funnels to the vendor's other software or content. (Mozilla seems increasingly poisoned by the Netscape influence these days too, it's kinda depressing to see the default 'skin' look *identical* to how Netscape looked 4 years ago) What little I played with Konqueror was a sorry experience indeed. -- Philip J. Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers Communications for the New Millenium ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Getting together
On 12 Apr 2002, at 15:34, Bill Campbell boldly uttered: Was it Mark Twain who said, ``the coldest winter I've ever seen was a summer in San Francisco''? Definitely attributed to Twain but there is apparently some controversy as to whether he actually uttered it. Phil -- Philip J. Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers Communications for the New Millenium ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
