Fwd: Re: [SLE] OT : Unified Linux
Found this on the Suse user's list. (I hope forwarding to another list isn't a no-no. Let me know if it is.) I am not sure what Phillipp's job is at suse. He talks of a first incarnation of this, baseing it on the server package. What ya think? Harry G -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [SLE] OT : Unified Linux Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:38:19 +0200 From: Philipp Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anders Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anders Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20020531 03:10]: Of course, Philip said he'd comment on it. I could be wrong. Which is it, Philip? ^ Two p please ;-) I said I'd answer questions as far as I could ;-) The press release said the end user versions of the various distributions wouldn't be affected. Yes, we are not talking about replacing the normal distribution but rather our business product SuSE Linux Enterprise Server. UnitedLinux, at least in its first incarnation, will be based on the next version of SLES which will be enhanced and modified to suit all participating parties. Philipp -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com --- ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Shut UP! Konqueror
I'm really tired of seeing Konqueror every time I insert a CD. How do I shut it off without deleting everything I've grown used to about KDE? (This is the version that came with RH 7.1). ++ kevin -- Kevin O'Gorman (805) 650-6274 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Permanent e-mail forwarder: mailto:Kevin.O'[EMAIL PROTECTED] At school: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/~kogorman/index.html Web: http://kosmanor.com/~kevin/index.html Life is short; eat dessert first! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Shut UP! Konqueror
In the KDE control center, check out the Peripherals-CD-ROM tab. Turn off 'Open on insert'. On Thu, 30 May 2002 14:55:48 -0700 Kevin O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm really tired of seeing Konqueror every time I insert a CD. How do I shut it off without deleting everything I've grown used to about KDE? (This is the version that came with RH 7.1). ++ kevin -- Kevin O'Gorman (805) 650-6274 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Permanent e-mail forwarder: mailto:Kevin.O'[EMAIL PROTECTED] At school: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/~kogorman/index.html Web: http://kosmanor.com/~kevin/index.html Life is short; eat dessert first! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: more on unitedlinux
On Fri, 31 May 2002, dep wrote: begin Burns MacDonald's quote: | Their licensing stance sounds rather ominous and smacks of Ransom | Love (the friend of Open Source - not!). first, did you know that your machine is telling the world that it is july 26? second, rms has weighed in: http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=83 he sounds just a tad cranky about it all. When, in his long career, has he *not* sounded cranky about something that didn't have his blessing? -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Mozilla memory leak
First, those processes are threaded, and each is spawning another. They are not 6 separate process threads. This is partly what allows you to multitask with Mozilla, rather than the brain dead way that KMail does things. So, its not really using that much of your memory. Secondly, show me a web browser that doesn't suck up alot of system resources? On Thu, 30 May 2002, Michael Hipp wrote: Don't know if this is related ... I'm running Mozilla 1.0rc2. ps aux | grep moz root 16639 4.5 9.2 38820 23640 ? S22:07 0:03 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 16641 0.0 9.2 38820 23640 ? S22:07 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 16642 0.0 9.2 38820 23640 ? S22:07 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 16643 0.0 9.2 38820 23640 ? S22:07 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 16644 0.0 9.2 38820 23640 ? S22:07 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 16645 0.0 9.2 38820 23640 ? S22:07 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 16650 0.0 0.1 1456 452 pts/0S22:08 0:00 grep moz Is Mozilla a PIG or what? Six freaking processes and 55% of my memory usage. This is with one instance running. I'm starting to wonder about Moz. Michael Alan Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I missed (just) getting 100 days uptime because of Mozilla. I have the latest build loaded, 1.0.0+, and I left a few window open for a few days. When I got home this evening, my system was totally locked up. I couldn't get the monitor to respond, no rlogin, no telnet. And I could hear the disk reading writing, so I assumed that whatever was happening, the disk was thrashing. So I hit the reset, and after all the fsck's hit the logs and found that I had run out of memory ( I have half a Gig!), because of Mozilla. So be careful - don't leave any loose Mozillas open. -- - -- | Alan K. Jackson| To see a World in a Grain of Sand | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | And a Heaven in a Wild Flower, | | | www.ajackson.org | Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand | | | Houston, Texas | And Eternity in an hour. - Blake | | - -- ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: more on unitedlinux
On Fri, 31 May 2002, Kurt Wall wrote: Yes, quite. The Web site is definitely Caldera's. The registration for unitedlinux.com makes it pretty clear that this is primarily the latest Caldera-inspired abortion: $ whois unitedlinux.com [noise deleted] Registrant: unitedlinux.com PO BOX 711132 SALT LAKE CITY, UT 84171-1132 US Domain Name: UNITEDLINUX.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: unitedlinux.com KYLE KNOWLES PO BOX 711132 SALT LAKE CITY, UT 84171-1132 US 801.918.3223 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Domain created on 02-Mar-2001 WTF?? They've been plotting this for over a year? Actually, that explains why Caldera has largely not given a damn about OpenLinux for roughly that long. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Fwd: Re: [SLE] OT : Unified Linux
On Fri, 31 May 2002, Harry G wrote: Found this on the Suse user's list. (I hope forwarding to another list isn't a no-no. Let me know if it is.) As a rule, we'd prefer it not happen, just because people can always subscribe to that list, but there are always exceptions. I think this is a good one. I am not sure what Phillipp's job is at suse. He talks of a first incarnation of this, baseing it on the server package. What ya think? He's the SuSE web master, as far as I can tell. -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [SLE] OT : Unified Linux Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:38:19 +0200 From: Philipp Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anders Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anders Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20020531 03:10]: Of course, Philip said he'd comment on it. I could be wrong. Which is it, Philip? ^ Two p please ;-) I said I'd answer questions as far as I could ;-) The press release said the end user versions of the various distributions wouldn't be affected. Yes, we are not talking about replacing the normal distribution but rather our business product SuSE Linux Enterprise Server. UnitedLinux, at least in its first incarnation, will be based on the next version of SLES which will be enhanced and modified to suit all participating parties. Philipp Here's the difference between SuSE Caldera. SuSE has produced their Enterprise Edition product for quite some time, and flagged it as just that, an enterprise product completely separate from their 'maintstream' distro. Caldera has been singing the Linux for Business tune forever, and doens't seem to know any other songs. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Mozilla memory leak
Thanks, Lonni. But I'd like to better understand this. Am I misreading the output of px aux in that the 9.2 numbers are not additive. In other words, the first one is true, all after that are essentially a lie (a false reflection of the first)? Opera: root 3975 3.3 4.5 19240 11752 ? S09:12 0:00 opera root 3976 0.0 4.5 19240 11752 ? S09:12 0:00 opera Konq: root 3981 2.7 7.3 29316 18836 ? S09:13 0:01 kdeinit: konquero Are these numbers real? If not, is there some tool that shows a more useful presentation of *actual* memory/resource usage? Konq is a half-finished browser. I want to adopt Mozilla as my standard. But based on above, I'm warming to Opera more all the time. Willing to be educated, Michael Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, those processes are threaded, and each is spawning another. They are not 6 separate process threads. This is partly what allows you tomultitask with Mozilla, rather than the brain dead way that KMail does things. So, its not really using that much of your memory. Secondly, show me a web browser that doesn't suck up alot of system resources? On Thu, 30 May 2002, Michael Hipp wrote: Don't know if this is related ... I'm running Mozilla 1.0rc2. ps aux | grep moz root 16639 4.5 9.2 38820 23640 ? S22:07 0:03 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 16641 0.0 9.2 38820 23640 ? S22:07 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 16642 0.0 9.2 38820 23640 ? S22:07 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 16643 0.0 9.2 38820 23640 ? S22:07 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 16644 0.0 9.2 38820 23640 ? S22:07 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 16645 0.0 9.2 38820 23640 ? S22:07 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 16650 0.0 0.1 1456 452 pts/0S22:08 0:00 grep moz Is Mozilla a PIG or what? Six freaking processes and 55% of my memory usage. This is with one instance running. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Mozilla memory leak
On Fri, 31 May 2002, Michael Hipp wrote: Thanks, Lonni. But I'd like to better understand this. Am I misreading the output of px aux in that the 9.2 numbers are not additive. In other words, the first one is true, all after that are essentially a lie (a false reflection of the first)? My understanding is that with a threaded app, you're seeing the multiple threads off of the same parent process. This can best be illustrated using 'pstree'. Its not a lie at all, just an interpretation. Opera: root 3975 3.3 4.5 19240 11752 ? S09:12 0:00 opera root 3976 0.0 4.5 19240 11752 ? S09:12 0:00 opera Konq: root 3981 2.7 7.3 29316 18836 ? S09:13 0:01 kdeinit: konquero Are these numbers real? If not, is there some tool that shows a more useful presentation of *actual* memory/resource usage? Looks like Opera does quite well. However, you can't ignore the fact that you need to run about 10 other KDE related processes (which are not specifically part of the Konqie proc) in order to fire up Konqie in the first place. Add up all of their resource utilizations, and it will most likely outdue Mozilla by far. Konq is a half-finished browser. I want to adopt Mozilla as my standard. But based on above, I'm warming to Opera more all the time. Opera isn't finished either. Personally, i don't see how they can continue to compete in the Linux market, when all of the other alternatives (good, bad or ugly) are free (as in beer speach), and in many cases alot more standard compliant (Mozilla for starters). Granted, all of my boxes tend to have gobs of memory in them (512MB or more) so, i'm most likely not seeing the same performance as alot of others with respect to Mozilla. I've been exceptionally pleased with Mozilla, and i honestly don't use any other browser for anything. If you (or anyone else) suspects that the version of Mozilla that you're running actually has a memory leak, you can easily test it. Mozilla comes (the pre-compiled binaries, at least) with a built in memory leak detector: On the top menu, Debug - Leak Detector I'm just skeptical, as if this problem was as evident as others claim, it would be far better known by now, especially as we approach the 1.0 release. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
OT Re: Mozilla memory leak
On 5/31/2002 10:50 AM, someone claiming to be Net Llama! wrote:
snip
I'm just skeptical, as if this problem was as evident as others claim, it
would be far better known by now, especially as we approach the 1.0
release.
Very close. In fact, what's available now from
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest-1.0.0/ is very likely to *be* 1.0,
at least according to a post on netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey:
quote
The MOZILLA_1_0_RELEASE branch has been cut and while
there is some tiny chance that we will need to take
further changes, it is highly probable that this is
the source we will release as Mozilla 1.0.
Binaries created from this tag will live here:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest-1.0/
Try them out.
Note that these are just test builds. Mozilla 1.0 has not
been released yet. If you look at the user agent or
the about: page you'll see a browser that claims to be
Mozilla 1.0, but don't be fooled.
Here are the directions for pulling the source from the
Mozilla 1.0 release tag.
On Unix:
cvs co -r MOZILLA_1_0_RELEASE mozilla/client.mk
cd mozilla
gmake -f client.mk checkout
On Win32:
cvs co -r MOZILLA_1_0_RELEASE mozilla/client.mak
cd mozilla
nmake -f client.mak pull_all
On MacOS:
In MacCVS Pro, open your Mozilla session, then choose the
Action / checkout other module to... menu item and fill out:
module: mozilla/build/mac/build_scripts
Check out to: MOZILLA_1_0_RELEASE
Then run 'BuildMozilla{Debug}.pl' as usual
If you're on a platform besides windows, Mac OS 9, Mac OS X,
Linux or FreeBSD, then your platform may be affected by bug
147333. (Cannot load local files whose names contain
non-ascii characters)
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147333
If you're affected by this bug then please help by
by testing patches and giving feedback. (the fix is
still in progress)
The patch for this bug probably will not go in to the
final 1.0 release, but we're hoping a patch will be
ready soon so that people on broken platforms can apply
it to the normal 1.0 tree and release the patched bits
instead. Watch the bug for more details.
/quote
Tim
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Re: unitedlinux: it gets weirder
begin [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s quote: | I tried to go read the unitedyawnix article, the link took me to | a page that said it wasn't available or something. Just so ya'll | know. yeah. we're being /.ed at the moment, and our mysql server is apparently objecting. try back in a little bit. sorry. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: unitedlinux: it gets weirder
Uhmmm...from what I read this morning, Red Hat and Mandrake have been invited to join in the fun. Also you might thank God for Elx and Libranet. They are both a couple of really good up and coming distros. ELX is RPM based while Libranet is Debian based. Altho ELX is actually incorporating Debian's APT into their automagic updater. Ray On 31 May 2002, at 11:13, Lee wrote: snip Never thought I'd say this but, Thank God for the French and Mandrake and even a few Hail Mary's for the folks at Redmond. -- . Ray Nancy Plummer Copper, Elektra WOK http://www.nanray.cjb.net/gsdped/gsdbintro.html ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: unitedlinux: it gets weirder
On Fri, 31 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uhmmm...from what I read this morning, Red Hat and Mandrake have been invited to join in the fun. Yes, but appears to be purely political posturing by the Quartet, as they invited Redhat to join yesterday morning, even though the others had been part of the fray for months. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Knoppix
I've been playing with this some more and it just keeps getting better. Lonni, it uses the 2.4.18-xfs kernel, KDE 2.2.2, has everything you would ever need including java, pppoe, etc. If it doesn't have it, apt-get it. I 've had it on 440, 810, VIA, Dell, Gateway, standalone, networked, etc. I can sit down at a machine, boot from the cd, and have a configured, working Linux install in two minutes. It configures without a single question and even does network connections within that two minutes. Klaus, did you get yours up, yet? Randy Donohoe ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Knoppix
On Fri, 31 May 2002, Randy Donohoe wrote: I've been playing with this some more and it just keeps getting better. Lonni, it uses the 2.4.18-xfs kernel, KDE 2.2.2, has everything you Excellent! That's what I needed to hear (the xfs part, not KDE). Thanks, i'll burn a copy today. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Shut UP! Konqueror
That tab does not exist. I have only keyboard and mouse under Peripherals. I wonder where it went? ++ kevin On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 02:54:10PM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: In the KDE control center, check out the Peripherals-CD-ROM tab. Turn off 'Open on insert'. On Thu, 30 May 2002 14:55:48 -0700 Kevin O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm really tired of seeing Konqueror every time I insert a CD. How do I shut it off without deleting everything I've grown used to about KDE? (This is the version that came with RH 7.1). ++ kevin -- Kevin O'Gorman (805) 650-6274 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Permanent e-mail forwarder: mailto:Kevin.O'[EMAIL PROTECTED] At school: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/~kogorman/index.html Web: http://kosmanor.com/~kevin/index.html Life is short; eat dessert first! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Mozilla memory leak
Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding is that with a threaded app, you're seeing the multiple threads off of the same parent process. This can best be illustrated using 'pstree'. Its not a lie at all, just an interpretation. Pstree tells me they're threaded. But what does it mean? Is/isn't Moz using gobs of memory (55+%)? Looks like Opera does quite well. However, you can't ignore the fact that you need to run about 10 other KDE related processes (which are not specifically part of the Konqie proc) in order to fire up Konqie in the first place. Add up all of their resource utilizations, and it will most likely outdue Mozilla by far. True, but if you're running KDE anyway, it's a sunk cost. So Konq becomes very efficient in that sense. But, like Koffice, it's just not a real contender. I've been exceptionally pleased with Mozilla, and i honestly don't use any other browser for anything. That's what I'm trying to do also, and Moz seems like the *logical* choice. But this reasource issue shouldn't be ignored. If you (or anyone else) suspects that the version of Mozilla that you're running actually has a memory leak, you can easily test it. Mozilla comes(the pre-compiled binaries, at least) with a built in memory leak detector: On the top menu, Debug - Leak Detector I tried that a couple of different ways and got nothing. Neither on the cli or in the logs. Where does the output go? Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Mozilla memory leak
On Fri, 31 May 2002, Michael Hipp wrote: Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding is that with a threaded app, you're seeing the multiple threads off of the same parent process. This can best be illustrated using 'pstree'. Its not a lie at all, just an interpretation. Pstree tells me they're threaded. But what does it mean? Is/isn't Moz using gobs of memory (55+%)? No. Look at top, and you'll see 1 mozilla process always floating higher up than the rest. On my box, mozilla is using 12.3% of the memory Looks like Opera does quite well. However, you can't ignore the fact that you need to run about 10 other KDE related processes (which are not specifically part of the Konqie proc) in order to fire up Konqie in the first place. Add up all of their resource utilizations, and it will most likely outdue Mozilla by far. True, but if you're running KDE anyway, it's a sunk cost. So Konq becomes very efficient in that sense. But, like Koffice, it's just not a real contender. But i dont' run KDE anyway. Hell, i don't even have KDE installed on most of my boxes. I've been exceptionally pleased with Mozilla, and i honestly don't use any other browser for anything. That's what I'm trying to do also, and Moz seems like the *logical* choice. But this reasource issue shouldn't be ignored. If you (or anyone else) suspects that the version of Mozilla that you're running actually has a memory leak, you can easily test it. Mozilla comes(the pre-compiled binaries, at least) with a built in memory leak detector: On the top menu, Debug - Leak Detector I tried that a couple of different ways and got nothing. Neither on the cli or in the logs. Where does the output go? I dunno *shrug*. I never felt the need to try it. OK, according to the notes on mozilla.org here: http://www.mozilla.org/performance/leak-tutorial.html you have to set an env variable, and run mozilla with the -editor switch. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
On Friday 31 May 2002 6:17 am, Ken Moffat wrote: Nothing like having my hope clubbed to death like a baby seal ouch! Caldera sure brings out the best in everyone! I recently cautiously dabbled in Caldera after quite a bit of foraging in the wild looking for suitable nourishment. Thought 3.1.1 was somewhat palatable. My hope lies bleeding on the floor. My question: why do they not let a desktop version slip out the back door? They could just say 'excuse me' if it stinks. (Just loaded RH7.3. Anyone have opinions?) Any opinions about Debian anyone, ,apart from the religious aspect that is ;g) ? Pam ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
On Fri, 31 May 2002 09:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 30 May 2002, Ken Moffat wrote: (Just loaded RH7.3. Anyone have opinions?) I rather like it. Redhat is starting to show signs of stability maturity in ther distro. They could have just as easily pushed out 8.0 with all kinds of bleeding edge garbage, but they took the more prodent route. There is hope for RH yet. I know a couple of people who were involved in the beta test for 7.3. They report that 7.3 was originally intended to be 8.0; several major changes were planned. Newest gcc, etc. First beta had all the 'latest greatest' - and so many problems that RH said 'no go' and went for cleanup, updates, and stability. rickf ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
On Fri, 31 May 2002, Pam R wrote: Any opinions about Debian anyone, ,apart from the religious aspect that is ;g) ? Aside from the religious zealotry of GNU/Linux Debian, alot of people that I work with swear by it. They love APT. My personal experience was a one time atempt at installing Potato about 18 months ago that left me utterly frustrated. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
On Fri, 31 May 2002 15:46:07 +0100 dallam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you try it, I encourage doing two things: 1 be sure to install the redhat-lsb rpm - it makes a few additions, links, and other changes to make 7.3 essentially LSB compliant. It's also moved from RH's older adherence to the early FSSTND towards the current FHS. 2 Go to Sylpheed's website get 7.6; the 7.3 version with RH 7.3 is good, but doesn't handle HTML links, etc. Quite a few of the RH dev staff are also KDE developers, you'll find a significant amount of support for keeping the KDE version up to date now. You'll also find that it works well with XFCE - Alan Cox, who runs RH on many of his development systems, uses and recommends it highly ... So do I! rickf On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 09:13:35AM -0400, Net Llama! wrote: I rather like it. Redhat is starting to show signs of stability maturity in ther distro. They could have just as easily pushed out 8.0 with all kinds of bleeding edge garbage, but they took the more prodent route. There is hope for RH yet. Hi Net Llama, Good to hear that you have that opinion on it. With all the hoopla over the unified linux and some comments directed at US linux distros and Americans at large on the suse-e list within the past two days I decided to change to something other than SuSE. I already have slack 8.0 and BSD here, and I just ordered RH 7.3 (will be the first time I have tried RH). So, it is nice to hear your positive comments about it. Kind Regards, Dallam -- Dallam Wych [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8E0E 57E6 FF5C 0711 C0D7 Reg #213656 B6A9 C661 89E0 7D27 5829 counter.li.org ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
From: Pam R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any opinions about Debian anyone, ,apart from the religious aspect that is ;g) ? Pam Debian is great. I run Libranet 2.0, it's a lazy person's Debian. The big problem with Debian is the install, but a Libranet install is as easy as a Mandrake. Leon Goldstein and someone else on this list runs it, too. Randy Donohoe ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Change the Owner of a Running Process
Is there anyway to change the owner of a running process? I have a kiosk machine that only runs mozilla under the ID of browser. I would like to change the owner of the process to root once mozilla has started so that users would not be able to kill the browser. Thanks, Jason Joines Opne Source = Open Minds --- ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
This mix...
Is anyone on the list running this mix of kernel resources? kernel 2.4.18, XFS, preempt-kernel-patch and lock-break-patch? If so, how'd you do it? I've been able to take a 2.4.18 kernel source tree, apply the preempt and lock patches then add in XFS. It'll compile ok, but seems to be flaky when running it. I'd appreciate any input, thanks. -- * * Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux 5:46pm up 79 days, 22:57, 5 users, load average: 0.01, 0.00, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: This mix...
I haven't bothered to apply those two patches, but was planning to whenever 2.4.19 came out. So what do you mean by 'flaky'? On Fri, 31 May 2002, Jerry McBride wrote: Is anyone on the list running this mix of kernel resources? kernel 2.4.18, XFS, preempt-kernel-patch and lock-break-patch? If so, how'd you do it? I've been able to take a 2.4.18 kernel source tree, apply the preempt and lock patches then add in XFS. It'll compile ok, but seems to be flaky when running it. I'd appreciate any input, thanks. -- * * Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux 5:46pm up 79 days, 22:57, 5 users, load average: 0.01, 0.00, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Change the Owner of a Running Process
On Fri, 31 May 2002, Jason Joines wrote: Is there anyway to change the owner of a running process? I have a kiosk machine that only runs mozilla under the ID of browser. I would like to change the owner of the process to root once mozilla has started so that users would not be able to kill the browser. I'm not sure that what you're trying to do is possible. And even if it was, i think it would be extremely dangerous. For starters, i don't think having root own the process would prevent someone from killing the browser. You can't really control who does what with an X app once its on the screen running. Also, if the browser was running as root, the person could gain access to the entire filesystem, with the ability to alter it. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Knoppix
Am Freitag, 31. Mai 2002 18:47 schrieb Randy Donohoe: I've been playing with this some more and it just keeps getting better. Lonni, it uses the 2.4.18-xfs kernel, KDE 2.2.2, has everything you would ever need including java, pppoe, etc. If it doesn't have it, apt-get it. I 've had it on 440, 810, VIA, Dell, Gateway, standalone, networked, etc. I can sit down at a machine, boot from the cd, and have a configured, working Linux install in two minutes. It configures without a single question and even does network connections within that two minutes. Klaus, did you get yours up, yet? Ja, I did. What impressed me most was how well all my hardware was detected, and setting up my dsl connection via eth0 was a question of two minutes (I had struggled with several OSs in both worlds to get it done, even on RH 7.3 it didn't work from the box, but I had to download the latest version of rp-pppoe). Although the knoppix distro (that's what it really is) is completely CD-ROM and ramdisk based, you can save your relevant settings (internet connections, XFree configuration) to a floppy for further use. For me, Knoppix really was worth 3 hours of download time. Klaus ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Knoppix
On Fri, 31 May 2002, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: For me, Knoppix really was worth 3 hours of download time. Klaus 3 hours? Must be nice. I started it 5 hours ago, and its only 78% done. Then again, you're physically alot closer to the server than I. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
first Linux/windoze virus
Is it just me, or is there no explanation of how it is spread? http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/linux.simile.html -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Mozilla memory leak
Replying to my own post ... 6 instances of Mozilla running: 'ps aux | grep moz' root 4103 0.0 8.8 35640 22604 ? S15:44 0:02 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4105 0.0 8.8 35640 22604 ? S15:44 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4106 0.0 8.8 35640 22604 ? S15:44 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4107 0.0 8.8 35640 22604 ? S15:44 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4109 0.0 8.8 35640 22604 ? S15:44 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4125 0.2 9.9 41344 25628 ? S15:47 0:11 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4127 0.0 9.9 41344 25628 ? S15:47 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4128 0.0 9.9 41344 25628 ? S15:47 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4129 0.0 9.9 41344 25628 ? S15:47 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4131 0.0 9.9 41344 25628 ? S15:47 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4138 0.0 8.9 37424 22864 ? S15:47 0:03 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4140 0.0 8.9 37424 22864 ? S15:47 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4141 0.0 8.9 37424 22864 ? S15:47 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4142 0.0 8.9 37424 22864 ? S15:47 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4144 0.0 8.9 37424 22864 ? S15:47 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4148 0.0 8.9 37424 22864 ? S15:48 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4157 0.0 9.9 41344 25628 ? S15:49 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4169 0.2 8.4 35248 21604 ? S15:59 0:11 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4171 0.0 8.4 35248 21604 ? S15:59 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4172 0.0 8.4 35248 21604 ? S15:59 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4173 0.0 8.4 35248 21604 ? S15:59 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4175 0.2 8.4 35248 21604 ? S15:59 0:08 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4183 0.1 8.7 34664 22488 ? S16:02 0:04 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4185 0.0 8.7 34664 22488 ? S16:02 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4186 0.0 8.7 34664 22488 ? S16:02 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4187 0.0 8.7 34664 22488 ? S16:02 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 4189 0.0 8.7 34664 22488 ? S16:02 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ Looks horrible! But if you add up all those mem% numbers it comes to more than 100% so it is not as it appears. Also: 'free' total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem:256764 253292 3472 0 2904 151692 -/+ buffers/cache: 98696 158068 Swap: 498004 1020 496984 I've only now touched swap. Don't know about memory leak or not, but Mozilla isn't quite the pig I thought. Michael Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding is that with a threaded app, you're seeing the multiple threads off of the same parent process. This can best be illustrated using 'pstree'. Its not a lie at all, just an interpretation. Pstree tells me they're threaded. But what does it mean? Is/isn't Moz using gobs of memory (55+%)? ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: This mix...
On Fri, 31 May 2002 16:49:56 -0400 begin Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: Is anyone on the list running this mix of kernel resources? kernel 2.4.18, XFS, preempt-kernel-patch and lock-break-patch? If so, how'd you do it? I haven't had good success with the preempt patch -- pcmcia would only see one of the two slots, various other niggling problems. The lock-break patch didn't help. I've been able to take a 2.4.18 kernel source tree, apply the preempt and lock patches then add in XFS. It'll compile ok, but seems to be flaky when running it. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: more on unitedlinux
On Fri, 31 May 2002 09:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 31 May 2002, Kurt Wall wrote: Yes, quite. The Web site is definitely Caldera's. The registration for unitedlinux.com makes it pretty clear that this is primarily the latest Caldera-inspired abortion: Um, I meant to say this latest abortion is primarily Caldera-inspired... $ whois unitedlinux.com [noise deleted] Registrant: unitedlinux.com PO BOX 711132 SALT LAKE CITY, UT 84171-1132 US Domain Name: UNITEDLINUX.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: unitedlinux.com KYLE KNOWLES PO BOX 711132 SALT LAKE CITY, UT 84171-1132 US 801.918.3223 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Domain created on 02-Mar-2001 WTF?? They've been plotting this for over a year? Actually, that explains why Caldera has largely not given a damn about OpenLinux for roughly that long. I hadn't thought of that. It could also be that they just registered a slew of domain names, or transferred them. Kurt -- Your lucky number has been disconnected. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
On Thursday 30 May 2002 07:43 pm, you wrote: Icould not agree with you more, as for suse again in agreement but I had more problems with trying to get the second ccddrive seen (dvd), in fact I did not manage it. Also the presumption on install that it knows what partitions to install on and wanted to delete a winders partition. Ok, I know about winders but wanting to delete it and also rssze things, no way. it's going to be *very* interesting this morning to hear what the caldera-turbo-suse-conectiva plan is. if the story is as it has been presented so far, it could well turn into the uberdistribution that we've sought and then simply be a matter of whose administration tools are least overbearing and objectionable (my chief complaint with suse). this presupposes that they announce the right stuff and further presupposes that they pull it off, but i awakened this morning more optimistic about the future of distributional linux than i have been in a couple of years. the opening exists for them now to do it right. fingers crossed, everybody. Well as you say they have the ball now, it all depends on how they play it and if internel strife does not break out over issues. In retrospect I do not trust Caldera these days after the Sco influx. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Knoppix
Am Freitag, 31. Mai 2002 23:59 schrieb Net Llama!: On Fri, 31 May 2002, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: 3 hours? Must be nice. I started it 5 hours ago, and its only 78% done. Then again, you're physically alot closer to the server than I. On a nice day with a nice server, I get a ftp download speed of about 86 kB per second, what's roughly speaking 12 seconds for a MB. For the Knoppix iso (about 690 MB), that adds up to a theoretical download time of 2.3 hours. Of course I am closer to the German Knoppix servers, but with good US servers I obtains similar download speeds. Klaus ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
On Thursday 30 May 2002 11:36 pm, you wrote: In addition to everything Lee said ... - The menu's are organized logically and with prose names like CD Player or somesuch rather than the consonant-laden gibberish that passes for menus on most distros. - Most all the options that a user might want to configure are in one GUI config tool and in logical places with sensible names. - They focus their energy on perfecting one GUI instead of 2 or 10. - It turns to advantage inter-operability on a Windows network rather than treating it like a begrudged afterthought. - They offer mainly 1 (fairly good) choice in each application rather than 3 or 30. - For what is essentially still a beta release, it is very stable and predictable. Solid - like you expect Linux to be. The more I hear the better it sounds. Also I would presume being that its Caldera based that anything 'caldera rpm'd' will work with lycoris, also probably anything that is forthcoming from the 'merger'. I have 3.1.1 installed and working on it upgrading and making rpms. When i finish I might have other choices and rpms to suit. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
On Friday 31 May 2002 04:16 am, you wrote: Thanks all for the replies. It sounds very good - like it was done right! However, if it's basically eD2.4 reorganized why do I want it when I can get others with the latest kernels, etc? Errm, when you speak of 'others' what specifically do you mean? If Mandrake or Suse then AFAIC and in my experience they suck bigtime. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: unitedlinux: it gets weirder
On Friday 31 May 2002 04:18 am, you wrote: begin Tim Wunder's quote: | The way I read it is that one of the differentiating factors left | to the distributions was the development of the desktop and which | apps would be installed. UnitedLinux would provide the base. End | user (desktop) apps would be add-ons provided by the individual | distros in the manner in which they see fit. So, Skippy Linux could | be Powered by UnitedLinux and contain all the desktop goodies | that he'd want for his distro. Regards, no, in fact they went out of their way to say that a desktop distro *may not* carry the unitedlinux brand. However I would presume that the release rpms will in fact work with say Caldera 3.1/3.1.1 and Lycoris. The big bugbear with me was the lack of updates to Caldera versions coupled with the difficulty of compiling some of the more difficult progs. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: unitedlinux: it gets weirder
On Friday 31 May 2002 05:48 am, you wrote: If Caldera is driving this, there's a Dead End sign just around the bend. More loke a level crossing rouind the bend with a goods train coming at great speed. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Non-fixated CDROM
On Friday 31 May 2002 06:37 am, you wrote: I'm just getting used to this version of xcdroast, but was doing a batch of CDROMs last night. In the process, I think once or twice I thought the recording was done while the fixating was in fact still going on, and I forced the drive open anyway. Now I don't know which ones this happened to. And I haven't a clue what 'fixating' really is, or what a CDROM would look like if that part of the process hadn't happened. Can anybody tell me what to look for? Meanwhile, I think I'll look up the software team and complain about that part of the GUI: it shows all 100% progress bars and I have to read the fine print to know I'm not done yet. This is 0.98alpha8, and I know it's a test release from a while back, but it's what I've got. ++ kevin You should be using alpha10 it does multisession now. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
On Friday 31 May 2002 07:15 am, you wrote: On Thu, 30 May 2002 13:16:05 -0500 Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks all for the replies. It sounds very good - like it was done right! However, if it's basically eD2.4 reorganized why do I want it when I can get others with the latest kernels, etc? It's a first atempt at a distro, from this company. I would imagine the next version to be even better. I bought a copy of Lycoris simply because there was so much time spent on developing it and it really shows too. The next version will be better and I'd hazard a guess that it will knock your (our) socks off. Well after reading the the release grunge for unitedlinux and the definitive answer that 'it is NOT for desktop users' but business only; Lycoris is loomong better all the time, although i have the cd's I have not installed it as yet. I am in Cladera server and making all the rpms, so will wait til I am finished and suck it then. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
On Friday 31 May 2002 07:41 am, you wrote: Did lycoris employ the same icon designers as Windows XP? It seems to visually be very windows alike, going from the website screenshots. I seem to remember that I read somewhere that it was aimed initially at windows refugees. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Rolling Our Own (was: unitedlinux: it gets weirder)
On Friday 31 May 2002 07:49 am, you wrote: begin Condon Thomas A KPWA's quote: | So, like, what you are saying is that the linux-users should turn | out UserLinux? yup. except that it will be called skippy standard linux and ought to be slavish in its adherence to the lsb and fhs. er, sorry but what do i ask the doctor to immunise me aginst; lsb fhs, Flu? -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: unitedlinux: it gets weirder
On Friday 27 July 2001 09:59 am, you wrote: As far as I can see this appears to be led by the Caldera Marketing gaggle which, since the SCO merger, has demonstrated remarkable ineptitude, insensitivity and a complete lack of knowledge of even the basics of Linux -- or computing for that matter. These are business dev and marketing drones with shiny loafers who know (or care) nothing about the technology... they are just bundling, packing and pushing for money, period. Reasonable description of a salesman (counter jockey) -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Configure NTP - should be a snap, but it isn't
I configure NTP once every several years, so I cannot usually remember what's what. I've got a server that's been running NTP happily for years, seems to stay current, and I'm not going to mess with it. I've got another machine, glynnis, running RH7.1, and it has the NTP software, but I cannot get it to synchronize with my server. I've looked at my firewall rules, and it seems I have all traffic allowed between these machines, on local-only subnet: 192.168.1.0/24. NTP comes up on glynnis okay, but whenever I run 'ntpq -p' I get this, which tells me btrixie isn't being used, and that the local clock is being taken as the time source: (btrixie is an entry in my /etc/hosts file, equated to 192.168.1.148) [root@glynnis init.d]# ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter == btrixie 0.0.0.0 16 u- 6400.0000.000 4000.00 LOCAL(0)LOCAL(0)10 u- 6400.0000.000 4000.00 * My configuration file is very simple. server 192.168.1.148 server 127.127.1.0 # local clock fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 10 driftfile /etc/ntp/drift multicastclient # listen on default 224.0.1.1 broadcastdelay 0.008 authenticate no Anybody have a clue? ++ kevin -- Kevin O'Gorman (805) 650-6274 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Permanent e-mail forwarder: mailto:Kevin.O'[EMAIL PROTECTED] At school: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/~kogorman/index.html Web: http://kosmanor.com/~kevin/index.html Life is short; eat dessert first! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Non-fixated CDROM
I am using alpha10 now, I have no idea what multisession would do for me, and what it has to do with fixating. This is becoming a way of life: there's so much interesting stuff to do I wouldn't have time to RTFM even if the FM had been written yet, which it hasn't. In any event, I've tossed the one CD that appeared to be unreadable, and located the iso again, and burnt it. I did find out that fixating puts a table of contents on the disk; why that's separate from the contents themselves is beyond my ken. I also had a quick email exchange with the author, who put me to rights about some of my stupidies (rightfully) and was still gracious enough to take two of my suggestions seriously. This is also a way of life, at least in Open Source. I love it. ++ kevin On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 11:17:02AM +1000, Keith Antoine wrote: On Friday 31 May 2002 06:37 am, you wrote: I'm just getting used to this version of xcdroast, but was doing a batch of CDROMs last night. In the process, I think once or twice I thought the recording was done while the fixating was in fact still going on, and I forced the drive open anyway. Now I don't know which ones this happened to. And I haven't a clue what 'fixating' really is, or what a CDROM would look like if that part of the process hadn't happened. Can anybody tell me what to look for? Meanwhile, I think I'll look up the software team and complain about that part of the GUI: it shows all 100% progress bars and I have to read the fine print to know I'm not done yet. This is 0.98alpha8, and I know it's a test release from a while back, but it's what I've got. ++ kevin You should be using alpha10 it does multisession now. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- Kevin O'Gorman (805) 650-6274 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Permanent e-mail forwarder: mailto:Kevin.O'[EMAIL PROTECTED] At school: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/~kogorman/index.html Web: http://kosmanor.com/~kevin/index.html Life is short; eat dessert first! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: This mix...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David A. Bandel spewed electrons into the ether that resembled: On Fri, 31 May 2002 16:49:56 -0400 begin Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: Is anyone on the list running this mix of kernel resources? kernel 2.4.18, XFS, preempt-kernel-patch and lock-break-patch? If so, how'd you do it? I haven't had good success with the preempt patch -- pcmcia would only see one of the two slots, various other niggling problems. The lock-break patch didn't help. 2.4.18 (ext3) with pre-empt and grsecurity on the mothership. no kernels issues at all. not quite what you were after though.. - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://www.linux-sxs.org and http://jobs.linux-sxs.org And your cry-baby whiny-butt opinion would be...? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8+Cf5SrrWWknCnMIRAmKKAJ0YhctN7Ee618etHD9pAe5vy5A10ACgq9RI juM4LbHU3YwJoC6/R3Ekb8w= =O6tS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
SxS Distro?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Seems a lot of potential talk about crafting our own distro. You folks serious? Who's got the time for this? I can manage the resources on the mothership for it, but unless people actually pledge some time to get it off the ground, I'm not gonna bother. So? - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://www.linux-sxs.org and http://jobs.linux-sxs.org To ensure privacy and data integrity this message has been encrypted using dual rounds of ROT-13 encryption. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8+ClCSrrWWknCnMIRAjSrAJ9Vs2TPZHFyPCYToiG2F+6UETFsSACfeTXi 8zd4tBY0o8fhimNrrATL9W8= =UEhO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
Pam R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any opinions about Debian anyone, ,apart from the religious aspect that is ;g) ? Most of the kernel hackers at work use it (Potato, I believe) and seem to like it; those that don't use Debian use Red Hat 7.2, but I don't consider that an endorsement because the preferred distribution is Red Hat 7.2. That is, if you order a box with Linux, the IT guys install Red Hat on it. We aren't required, however, to use any particular distribution (for example, I loaded the Slackware 8.1 release candidate on my crash test dummy today -- it looks very good from here). YMMV; not speaking for my employer; and if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces. Kurt -- Your lucky number has been disconnected. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Mozilla memory leak
On Fri, 31 May 2002 13:10:37 -0500 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding is that with a threaded app, you're seeing the multiple threads off of the same parent process. This can best be illustrated using 'pstree'. Its not a lie at all, just an interpretation. Pstree tells me they're threaded. But what does it mean? Is/isn't Moz using gobs of memory (55+%)? Looks like Opera does quite well. However, you can't ignore the fact that you need to run about 10 other KDE related processes (which are not specifically part of the Konqie proc) in order to fire up Konqie in the first place. Add up all of their resource utilizations, and it will most likely outdue Mozilla by far. True, but if you're running KDE anyway, it's a sunk cost. So Konq becomes very efficient in that sense. But, like Koffice, it's just not a real contender. True. My notion of sunk cost is a brand new Ferrarri sitting in two feet of water in the median of the freeway. ;-) That's what I'm trying to do also, and Moz seems like the *logical* choice. But this reasource issue shouldn't be ignored. Agreed, but I think much of the resource consumption comes from KDE. Using v or -v with ps shows a slightly different memory usage profile: $ ps -axv | head 1 PID TTY STAT TIME MAJFL TRS DRS RSS %MEM COMMAND $ ps -axv | grep moz 4935 pts/1S 0:03 357447 33764 23204 9.0 /usr/lib/mozilla/mozill 4940 pts/1S 0:00 147 33764 23204 9.0 /usr/lib/mozilla/mozill 4941 pts/1S 0:00 447 33764 23204 9.0 /usr/lib/mozilla/mozill 4942 pts/1S 0:00 8747 33764 23204 9.0 /usr/lib/mozilla/mozill Kurt -- Your lucky number has been disconnected. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Configure NTP - should be a snap, but it isn't
On Fri, 31 May 2002 17:26:36 -0700 Kevin O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I configure NTP once every several years, so I cannot usually remember what's what. I've got a server that's been running NTP happily for years, seems to stay current, and I'm not going to mess with it. I've got another machine, glynnis, running RH7.1, and it has the NTP software, but I cannot get it to synchronize with my server. I've looked at my firewall rules, and it seems I have all traffic allowed between these machines, on local-only subnet: 192.168.1.0/24. Just in case, port 123 is open for tcp and udp traffic, correct, although I note from the docs that it only uses udp. NTP comes up on glynnis okay, but whenever I run 'ntpq -p' I get this, which tells me btrixie isn't being used, and that the local clock is being taken as the time source: (btrixie is an entry in my /etc/hosts file, equated to 192.168.1.148) [root@glynnis init.d]# ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter == btrixie 0.0.0.0 16 u- 6400.0000.000 4000.00 LOCAL(0)LOCAL(0)10 u- 6400.0000.000 4000.00 Are you sure that glynnis can reach btrixie? My configuration file is very simple. server 192.168.1.148 server 127.127.1.0 # local clock fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 10 driftfile /etc/ntp/drift multicastclient # listen on default 224.0.1.1 broadcastdelay 0.008 authenticate no Kurt -- Your lucky number has been disconnected. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: SxS Distro?
On Saturday 01 June 2002 11:54 am, you wrote: Seems a lot of potential talk about crafting our own distro. You folks serious? Who's got the time for this? I can manage the resources on the mothership for it, but unless people actually pledge some time to get it off the ground, I'm not gonna bother. So? I said a while ago that I would be using Caldera 2.4 and upodating this. Also that I would upload to the site when I was finished and that I would be asking questions. It had since alterred from 2.4 which would not install on my h/w, neither would ltp or 3.0 to 3.1.1. I am NOT competant to alter the cd installation of such a distro but I am updating all I can of the rpms plus others that I use in video straeming and video playing. I want help as to how I make rpms of kernel sources ( hand holding), and anything else that i cannot get checkinstall to make rpms for me. One thing that I do have over most here is 'TIME' , or whats left of it in this life. I have kernel 2.4.18 and kde 3.0.1 plus xfree4.2, which are the major 'wants' of most for Caldera, to actually compile and turn into rpms. Its the spec file aspect that has me by the short and curlies, it might as well be a martian play. Can anyone edify me in simple terms as to its creation. The machine is powerful and lost of disk space plus memory. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
On Fri, 31 May 2002 18:39:34 -0400 Leon A. Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Net Llama! wrote: On Fri, 31 May 2002, Pam R wrote: Any opinions about Debian anyone, ,apart from the religious aspect that is;g) ? Aside from the religious zealotry of GNU/Linux Debian, alot of people that I work with swear by it. They love APT. My personal experience was a one time atempt at installing Potato about 18 months ago that left me utterly frustrated. Times have changed. Give Libranet a try. I did when the great WS 3.1 Schism led to the creation of this list. Haven't regretted it. I haven't touched Debian in a while 1 Same experience as Llama - baisc Debian failed to install on my hardware (X was too old) 2 Reading the writeups about Libranet, etc., I always came to the conclusion that the package offerings were too damn old. 3 What's the current status? Is Libranet anywhere near current with respect to kde, gnome, mozilla, etc.? 4 When I tried lycoris in the Redmond Linux days, I couldn't stand the patchwork kde screens with half the stuff missing. If I'm going to use kde, I want it to look like kde, thank you very much. It was quite an easy install even back then. 5 Not that I'm really looking. I'm quite happy with my collinstoo distro, as Skippy calls it. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? gentoo(since 01/01/01) 2.4.18+(ext3) xfce-sylpheed-mozilla ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: more on unitedlinux
On Friday 31 May 2002 06:55, dep wrote: first, did you know that your machine is telling the world that it is july 26? Ooops, brand new install of SuSE 8.0 Pro two days ago - forgot to set date. Thanks. second, rms has weighed in: http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=83 he sounds just a tad cranky about it all. I'm not surprised and, on this one, I tend to agree with him (Agree with RMS!!?? Cripes, did I say that??!!) Ransom pulled the same stunt with OpenLinux and SCO-Linux and has been in the doghouse with the Linux development community (and most of their industry partners) ever since. Now he's leading the rest of the distros into the same tar pit. I've met Ransom - I thought he had more on the ball than this. And SuSE... they have been getting rave reviews for their last couple of releases and they have a very solid business/industry clientele in Europe. I know they were having to make some financial adjustments a couple of years ago, but since then they have had a number of successes. Why would they throw themselves off this cliff with Ransom? -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Fwd: Re: [SLE] OT : Unified Linux
On Friday 31 May 2002 07:26, Harry G wrote: Yes, we are not talking about replacing the normal distribution but rather our business product SuSE Linux Enterprise Server. UnitedLinux, at least in its first incarnation, will be based on the next version of SLES which will be enhanced and modified to suit all participating parties. Jeeezzz, they just don't get it. If you make it proprietary, close much of the code and charge for it on a per seat basis, just where is the incentive for my corporation (or my clients) to migrate to (or retain) Linux? In essence, you have reduced Linux to just another so-so middle-of-the-road commercial Unix. Thanks, but if I'm going to go that route, I'll go HP-UX or Solaris and be perceived of by my bosses as taking much less risk. At this rate we'll only be left with Debian. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
If you want a free easily installed deb distribution, try Libranet 1.9.1, which is downloadable. It's older, but will give you an idea of the ease of use of debian apt for updates. (The 2.0 version of libranet is much more current, and they have a home user price.) On Fri, 31 May 2002 15:11:44 -0400 Randy Donohoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Pam R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any opinions about Debian anyone, ,apart from the religious aspect that is ;g) ? Pam Debian is great. I run Libranet 2.0, it's a lazy person's Debian. The big problem with Debian is the install, but a Libranet install is as easy as a Mandrake. Leon Goldstein and someone else on this list runs it, too. Randy Donohoe ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Configure NTP - should be a snap, but it isn't
How do you start ntp? Are there error messages somewhere? Joel On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 05:26:36PM -0700, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I configure NTP once every several years, so I cannot usually remember what's what. I've got a server that's been running NTP happily for years, seems to stay current, and I'm not going to mess with it. I've got another machine, glynnis, running RH7.1, and it has the NTP software, but I cannot get it to synchronize with my server. I've looked at my firewall rules, and it seems I have all traffic allowed between these machines, on local-only subnet: 192.168.1.0/24. NTP comes up on glynnis okay, but whenever I run 'ntpq -p' I get this, which tells me btrixie isn't being used, and that the local clock is being taken as the time source: (btrixie is an entry in my /etc/hosts file, equated to 192.168.1.148) [root@glynnis init.d]# ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter == btrixie 0.0.0.0 16 u- 6400.0000.000 4000.00 LOCAL(0)LOCAL(0)10 u- 6400.0000.000 4000.00 * My configuration file is very simple. server 192.168.1.148 server 127.127.1.0 # local clock fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 10 driftfile /etc/ntp/drift multicastclient # listen on default 224.0.1.1 broadcastdelay 0.008 authenticate no Anybody have a clue? ++ kevin -- Kevin O'Gorman (805) 650-6274 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Permanent e-mail forwarder: mailto:Kevin.O'[EMAIL PROTECTED] At school: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/~kogorman/index.html Web: http://kosmanor.com/~kevin/index.html Life is short; eat dessert first! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: SxS Distro?
Douglas J Hunley wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Seems a lot of potential talk about crafting our own distro. You folks serious? Who's got the time for this? I can manage the resources on the mothership for it, but unless people actually pledge some time to get it off the ground, I'm not gonna bother. So? I'm quite interested, however i don't want to start devoting time to this unless others are serious about it. But serious i mean, you have the time to devote, and *will* devote it. Doing it half way is worse than not bothering. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 8:35pm up 43 days, 3:26, 4 users, load average: 0.06, 0.23, 0.33 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: more on unitedlinux
On Fri, 31 May 2002 1Burns MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 31 May 2002 06:55, dep wrote: http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=83 he sounds just a tad cranky about it all. I'm not surprised and, on this one, I tend to agree with him (Agree with RMS!!?? Cripes, did I say that??!!) I agreed with RMS, too, and thought the same thing. It's a darned rare day when I agree with RMS or he with me. Ransom pulled the same stunt with OpenLinux and SCO-Linux and has been in the doghouse with the Linux development community (and most of their industry partners) ever since. Now he's leading the rest of the distros into the same tar pit. I've met Ransom - I thought he had more on the ball than this. And SuSE... they have been getting rave reviews for their last couple of releases and they have a very solid business/industry clientele in Europe. I know they were having to make some financial adjustments a couple of years ago, but since then they have had a number of successes. Why would they throw themselves off this cliff with Ransom? Go figger. Kurt -- Your lucky number has been disconnected. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: SxS Distro?
On Fri, 31 May 2002 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems a lot of potential talk about crafting our own distro. You folks serious? Who's got the time for this? I can manage the resources on the mothership for it, but unless people actually pledge some time to get it off the ground, I'm not gonna bother. So? I'd have to pass. Work and a book project suck up my time and I'm not terribly interested in working with another RPM-based distribution. Kurt -- Your lucky number has been disconnected. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
On Fri, 31 May 2002 20:22:44 -0600 Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2 Reading the writeups about Libranet, etc., I always came to the conclusion that the package offerings were too damn old. Old and Stable. This is not always bad. It seems to be the debian way. But you have the option of changing the sources.list and going to the unstable or testing versions; unstable is pretty much the standard to most distros, I think. Debian has a different definition of stable. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
