Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:57:24 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are right. On the package it says: 1X to 32X. I guess that explains my top speed of 32. It also depends on where the CD will be read. A CD written at a fast speed on one burner may be read ok there, but not on another. I always burn at 4x. This is perhaps conservative, but I am more interested that a customer can read the CD than that I can make it quickly. -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: gentoo again
Hate to reply to my own post, but no one else has... I have sorted out the problem. I configured the X server with X -configure. It seemed to work. My display is a PnP one so it could read the model number. Oddly, it choose a very high resolution (1920x1024 - or something like that). It then decided that the screen resolution was 152x152 dpi. So, when choosing even the biggest font, it appeared very small. I then took an X config file that I use in another OS, and the fonts are more what I expect. The resolution is 1120xsomething, which is better on a 15 display. The odd thing was that the X config file created by X did not have any resolution lines. Not even one. I would have expected it to not work, or to come up in 640x480. Not the very high resolution. As to gnome, I get an error on startup about fonts not found. It sends me to a bug discussion that says to upgrade to X 4.2, as there is a problem in earlier render libs. Well, I am running X 4.2.1 (from gentoo's emerge), and the error persists. Anyone running gnome on gentoo 1.4 rc1 ?? On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:39:22 +0100 Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back in the office now. I installed the 1.4 Gentoo a bit back. I have a problem with fonts. They are all too small. I have tried changing them, but, even though there are many installed on the system, I seem not to be able to use them. Most print as a much much smaller font. Getting anything over 1-2 millimeters in height is not possible. I have been careful that I have the font directories listed properly in my X config file. I do not think the problem is there. Does gentoo use Xfs to serve fonts rather than the X server itself? If so, need I do anything after 'emerge kde' to set up the fonts? I have turned off and on the font anti-aliasing to no effect. Right now, I just want to see 'bad old' X fonts of the size I specify. The X stuff was installed as a dependency of kde and kde runs fine, except fonts are too small. I tried running gnome, but it complained that some needed fonts were not found. Very odd as the font directories all seem to have what I expect, the font.xxx files seem complete, and the X server log lists that these directories will be used. I think the problem is not finding the fonts. It is serving them. Any gentoo-specific pointers? -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
On Thursday 05 December 2002 01:53 pm, Brett I. Holcomb espoused: I got so I used SCSI for my workstations. It was worth the extra cost to get the performance and ease of use. I have never had any better performance from scsi burners than from ide, as for ease of use they are no different. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
On Thursday 05 December 2002 01:06 pm, Brett I. Holcomb espoused: Just for the record, Ahh.. The pain has stopped. It only took two short evenings to get this working under linux. The scsi stuff is a pain. Knowing how to use modules is a must. If I hadn't had to install a zip drive last year, another scsi pretender, I would have been a lot longer doing this. No - the psuedo scsi stuff is a pain G. Real SCSI just works G. Another reason I stick with real SCSI! I have been burning with atapi scsi drives for 4 years without any problems or any coasters. The cd disk speed that is quoted for the disk bought needs to be adhered to though. Last week I did 100 copies of disks, no problems arose. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT-Skippy
On Thursday 05 December 2002 03:42 pm, stayler espoused: Has anyone heard from Keith lately? Yeah I have! -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
On Thursday 05 December 2002 06:09 pm, Roger Oberholtzer espoused: On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:57:24 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are right. On the package it says: 1X to 32X. I guess that explains my top speed of 32. It also depends on where the CD will be read. A CD written at a fast speed on one burner may be read ok there, but not on another. I always burn at 4x. This is perhaps conservative, but I am more interested that a customer can read the CD than that I can make it quickly. That used to be the case but in my experience not nowadys. I have used recently, sony 24x, cyberdrive 32x, lite-on and LG 40x and 48x, all burn with exactlink or some other burnproof firmware, that does not allow coasters. I am also now uing a Pioneer DVD burner and none of these have not been read in other machines; with the exception of very old cd readers, with out of line lasers or lasers of the wrong color or strength.. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Big problems in Oz
I have been busy and away for a while, nothing to do with computers. One of the reasons was to try help out in the country, but its a losing battle. We have not had any decent rain for 12 months and now there are towns that are going to run dry before xmas. The drought is the worst in 100 years maybe longer. Suicides amongst property owners is high and walk-offs are the norm. There are places that have had no wet for 40 years, but most places are destroying stock or have reduced it to paltry levels. Sydney is in the grip of nasty fires with varying gusting winds that turn on the firefighters, they lost a water tender today. A snmall comunity near Sydney lost 15 homes last night and tonight is predicted to be worse. Everything is tinder dry and I am talking 75% or more of Australia. Some fire were started by careless smokers throwing butts away, so they have made is 10 yrs jail if caught doing just that. There are also arsonist children, they are being charged as adults. They have projected a loss of 53% in the GNP for the next 6 months, whilst produce in the stores is vanishing and prices are skyrocketting. Ther is no sign of relief, yesterday was 38 here with 90% humidity, today 36 and gusty NW winds from the Solomons. The weather predictions are that we will not see rain before April/May, by that time ther will be nothing green and no animals. We are ssing birds that we do not see normally coming to the coast for feed. Roos and Emus are also migrating to the coast and causing accidents on the roads, hitting a roo at night very often writes the small vehicle off; kills too. I actually saw a dingo 5 mins from our house a couple of days ago, that can be frightening with small kids around. There have been prayer meetings for rain and even had an 'Indian' do a rain dance all to no avail, it is being blamed on El Nino, but one wonders where it will all end, but water is at a premium 'liquid gold' literally. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Allow all access to database files (dumb newbie question)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:01:51 -0500 begin Harry G [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: I am running ACT! software via Crossovers Wine package rather successfully. I have another user on the same computer I want to give access to the database file, and also a bunch of documents. Where is the best place to put this in the filesystem? I see a lot of places that might work, but I want to do this properly. Both users will need read and write access, by the way. Thank you, oh great teachers! There are several interpretations of where might be right. I favor /var/lib/databasename or /var/local/databasename because /var is designed to be the mount for things that grow -- logs, dhcp.leases, etc. I'm pretty sure this is the FHS way as well. Ciao, David A. Bandel - -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE97ziG3uVcotqGMQcRAmA6AKDRrfEDUnioTK+FgiN1o/a038j3OACff2Tn wUeBlyKJprsG1fHU53lRxEM= =YGFv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Big problems in Oz
I have some closeness to this kind of thing and the feelings like helplessness that go along with it. There are no words. My thoughts are with all of you. from Keith Antoine: I have been busy and away for a while, nothing to do with computers. One of the reasons was to try help out in the country, but its a losing battle. We have not had any decent rain for 12 months and now there are towns that are going to run dry before xmas. The drought is the worst in 100 years maybe longer. Suicides amongst property owners is high and walk-offs are the norm. [...] R -- http://www.quen.net Fix reason firmly in her seat and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there is one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear. --Thomas Jefferson ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Big problems in Oz
On Thursday 05 December 2002 01:28 am, Keith Antoine wrote: I have been busy and away for a while, nothing to do with computers. One of the reasons was to try help out in the country, but its a losing battle. We have not had any decent rain for 12 months and now there are towns that are going to run dry before xmas. The drought is the worst in 100 years maybe longer. Suicides amongst property owners is high and walk-offs are the norm. There are places that have had no wet for 40 years, but most places are destroying stock or have reduced it to paltry levels. I had no idea things were this bad. I don't watch TV very much and depend mostly on the New York Times for my news, but I haven't seen much mention of the situation. I wish there was something we could do to help out, but it doesn't sound like there's much anyone can do. We hope things turn around soon. -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd Rather Be Sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT-Skippy
Nope. Then again, he's always quite for periods of time. On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, stayler wrote: Has anyone heard from Keith lately? Stayler ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
OT Re: Big problems in Oz
Keith, I feel for your plight down under. Out in the American West, its been quite bad over the past few years as well, although not nearly as bad as you described below. Here in the SF Bay area we've had only one rainfall since late April. While it is usually dry here between May November (summer up here), its not normally this dry. On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Keith Antoine wrote: I have been busy and away for a while, nothing to do with computers. One of the reasons was to try help out in the country, but its a losing battle. We have not had any decent rain for 12 months and now there are towns that are going to run dry before xmas. The drought is the worst in 100 years maybe longer. Suicides amongst property owners is high and walk-offs are the norm. There are places that have had no wet for 40 years, but most places are destroying stock or have reduced it to paltry levels. Sydney is in the grip of nasty fires with varying gusting winds that turn on the firefighters, they lost a water tender today. A snmall comunity near Sydney lost 15 homes last night and tonight is predicted to be worse. Everything is tinder dry and I am talking 75% or more of Australia. Some fire were started by careless smokers throwing butts away, so they have made is 10 yrs jail if caught doing just that. There are also arsonist children, they are being charged as adults. They have projected a loss of 53% in the GNP for the next 6 months, whilst produce in the stores is vanishing and prices are skyrocketting. Ther is no sign of relief, yesterday was 38 here with 90% humidity, today 36 and gusty NW winds from the Solomons. The weather predictions are that we will not see rain before April/May, by that time ther will be nothing green and no animals. We are ssing birds that we do not see normally coming to the coast for feed. Roos and Emus are also migrating to the coast and causing accidents on the roads, hitting a roo at night very often writes the small vehicle off; kills too. I actually saw a dingo 5 mins from our house a couple of days ago, that can be frightening with small kids around. There have been prayer meetings for rain and even had an 'Indian' do a rain dance all to no avail, it is being blamed on El Nino, but one wonders where it will all end, but water is at a premium 'liquid gold' literally. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: gentoo again
On Thursday 05 December 2002 00:21, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: The X stuff was installed as a dependency of kde and kde runs fine, except fonts are too small. I tried running gnome, but it complained that some needed fonts were not found. Very odd as the font directories all seem to have what I expect, the font.xxx files seem complete, and the X server log lists that these directories will be used. I think the problem is not finding the fonts. It is serving them. Any gentoo-specific pointers? A while back there was a post on the gentoo mail list that a fonts dir location was missing in X and had to be edited. I can not remember exactly what that was. A search of gentoo lists should get you that info. I'll look for it later and if I locate that post I'll forward it to you. I had to add the resolutions to my XF86Config after configuring X which I thought was rather odd. We must keep in mind that it is a release candidate so there is bound to be a couple of glitches along the way. -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. Powered by Slackware 8.1 sent with Kmail 1.4.3 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:38:20 -0500 (EST) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, I feel for your plight down under. Out in the American West, its been quite bad over the past few years as well... If my memory serves me... Here in the states, for year 2002... the 48 continental states reported some measure of drought effects, of that 48, 63% declared drought conditions. World wide, the over all trend has been, dryer than normal... Although we in the states aren't suffering like others are, we're in for a pretty rough time ourselves. Be ready for year 2003, it's going to be rough. -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net 10:18am up 12 days, 12:01, 3 users, load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
[linux-elitists] 5:00 pm EST Friday 6 December 2002 is the Deadlinefor Comments to the FCC Regarding the Digital Flag Mandate
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Coders! Designers! Artists! Businessfolk! Computer Owners! User-Builders of the Net! Citizens! And All the Tribes! Right now, the Federal Communications Commission of the United States of America is preparing to hand down a regulation, the so-called Broadcast Flag Mandate, which would make it a felony to own, sell, or use important free software tools of communication, such as GNU Radio, which is Project GNU's software defined radio program. The issue here has nothing to do with copyright infringement, despite the claims of the RIAA, the MPAA, and the AAP. The Broadcast Flag Mandate would make purely private use of GNU Radio a felony. GNU Radio is a program which allows any computer equipped with an antenna and an analog-to-digital card to function as a radio and TV receiver. Both analog and digital broadcasts can be received and played once the antenna, the card, and the program are installed. GNU Radio is not yet complete; as of today GNU Radio cannot receive and play digital TV broadcasts, but within the year, G* willing, it will be completed. Why is it important to stop the Broadcast Flag Mandate? It is important to stop the Broadcast Flag Mandate because, if promulgated, it would set a precedent that the government of the United States may directly dictate exactly what you do with your computer, even in the privacy of your own house. It would set the precedent that the government of the United States may directly outlaw the production and sale and use of untrammeled computers like the one billion personal computers that have been freely produced and sold up until today. It would set the precedent that the government of the United States may directly enforce that all computers sold must contain both spy machinery and remote control machinery, machinery which would be controlled by Infotainment Central and The Secret Police. Under the Broadcast Flag Mandate, it would be a felony to disable the spy and remote control machinery. What is to be done this week? The FCC will accept comments upon the Broadcast Flag Mandate until 5:00 pm EST Friday 6 December 2002. To send comments go to http://www.nyfairuse.org/action/fcc.flag/ and/or follow the official instructions below. Readings: The EFF has done the major work in exposing the plot to impose the Broadcast Flag Mandate: http://bpdg.blogs.eff.org http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/HDTV/bpdg-report In Section 4.12 of the Final Report of the Broadcast Protection Discussion Group, the Englobulators propose that the Broadcast Flag Mandate should create two classes of Americans: 1. a small class of licensed employees of certain cartels and monopolies, who would be allowed to use general purpose computers 2. the rest of us, who would not be allowed to own and privately use general purpose computers. It is important to understand Section 4.12 because the Englobulators have claimed and will continue to claim that the Broadcast Flag Mandate would not affect private use of computers. But the Englobulators know this claim is false. They know that the Broadcast Flag Mandate would so cripple computers that they demand a special exemption for themselves so that they may still use untrammeled computers. Brett Wynkoop alerts the Ancient Order of Hams: http://www.qrz.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=STf=3t=24431 The discussion is worth looking at, for several excellent posts from people who understand that the Broadcast Flag Mandate would mean the end of amateur work in digital radio and TV. There are also posts from people who simply cannot believe that the Broadcast Flag Mandate has actually been proposed. Declan McCullough asks Why have you not written to the FCC? and Slashdot responds: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1107-975683.html http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/02/12/03/1734244.shtml?tid=103 The Digital Speech Project presents some of the effects and also some of the history of the proposed Broadcast Flag Mandate: http://digitalspeech.org/bpdg.shtml GNU Radio, including Eric Blossom's clear statement of what the Broadcast Flag Mandate would mean for GNU Radio: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuradio/gnuradio.html http://interviews.slashdot.org/interviews/02/09/27/1420201.shtml?tid=126 http://www.h2k2.net/display_grid.khtml?event=25 Jay Sulzberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Corresponding Secretary LXNY LXNY is New York's Free Computing Organization. http://www.lxny.org blockquote from=official instructions of the FCC edits=added in the NPRM Docket number, explained one oddity of format From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Generic ecfs Account(Bill Cline)) ECFS INSTRUCTIONS FILE - SAMPLE - README** ** EXPLANATION ONLY - DO NOT SEND IN THIS FILE **
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
Joel Hammer wrote: The men in the computer store (BestBuy, CompuUSA), smile and shake their heads each time I ask about scsi cdrom's. Do they exist? http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=192934 It's an HP 8X Write, 4X ReWrite, 32X Read Internal SCSI-2 CD-RW drive for PCs for $54.82. -- Andrew Mathews - 9:50am up 1 day, 23:11, 4 users, load average: 6.08, 6.41, 6.34 - Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform. -- Mark Twain ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
Joel Hammer wrote: The men in the computer store (BestBuy, CompuUSA), smile and shake their heads each time I ask about scsi cdrom's. Do they exist? They ain't men... they are weenies... MicroSoft slugs that never ventured any farther than dos, windows, IDE and USB. And they ONLY sell what they know... Pity them, for they know not what they do... err... thye do what they know... SCSI interfaced cdroms do exist, are affordable and out perform IDE any day of the week... Visit pricewatch.com, enter an appropriate search and behold a plethora of SCSI devices. -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net 1:04pm up 12 days, 14:47, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Mail Program
Anybody know of a mail program that does both text and html? Have been using netscape mail on SuSE 7.2. Upgraded to SuSE 8.0 and no netscape only the retarded version of netscape -mozilla. Trief using evolution, kmail, ans sypheed but all I get for html mail is either a message hidden in formating symbols or messages with blank outlined holes where pictures and captions should be. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
If 200 naked dancing fillies doesn't do it then towing an iceburg is a last resort. Does AU have any desalination plants? On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:59:12 -0500 - Leon A. Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz Jerry McBride wrote: If my memory serves me... Here in the states, for year 2002... the 48 continental states reported some measure of drought effects, of that 48, 63% declared drought conditions. World wide, the over all trend has been, dryer than normal... Although we in the states aren't suffering like others are, we're in for a pretty rough time ourselves. Be ready for year 2003, it's going to be rough. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
On Friday 06 December 2002 12:38 am, Net Llama! espoused: Keith, I feel for your plight down under. Out in the American West, its been quite bad over the past few years as well, although not nearly as bad as you described below. Here in the SF Bay area we've had only one rainfall since late April. While it is usually dry here between May November (summer up here), its not normally this dry. Yes we have heard here that there are problems in the US Western seaboard which has been affected by this abnormal weather pattern, trouble is, is this going to last. No one here has an answer. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Big problems in Oz
On Friday 06 December 2002 12:14 am, Tony Alfrey espoused: I had no idea things were this bad. I don't watch TV very much and depend mostly on the New York Times for my news, but I haven't seen much mention of the situation. I wish there was something we could do to help out, but it doesn't sound like there's much anyone can do. We hope things turn around soon. Thats in the lap of the Gods, we need rain. As for news, well its not really newsworthy unless lost of people die, and that might happen too. The real tragedy is to see once propereous stations (farms) that are nothing but dried cracked deserts, covered with animal bones. It reminds me of the Grapes of Wrath on a continental stage. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
On Friday 06 December 2002 01:26 am, Jerry McBride espoused: On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:38:20 -0500 (EST) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, I feel for your plight down under. Out in the American West, its been quite bad over the past few years as well... If my memory serves me... Here in the states, for year 2002... the 48 continental states reported some measure of drought effects, of that 48, 63% declared drought conditions. World wide, the over all trend has been, dryer than normal... Although we in the states aren't suffering like others are, we're in for a pretty rough time ourselves. Be ready for year 2003, it's going to be rough. Armageddon ?? -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mail Program
Lee wrote: Anybody know of a mail program that does both text and html? Have been using netscape mail on SuSE 7.2. Upgraded to SuSE 8.0 and no netscape only the retarded version of netscape -mozilla. Trief using evolution, kmail, ans sypheed but all I get for html mail is either a message hidden in formating symbols or messages with blank outlined holes where pictures and captions should be. Lee What's wrong with Mozilla? -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mail Program
Lee wrote: Anybody know of a mail program that does both text and html? Have been using netscape mail on SuSE 7.2. Upgraded to SuSE 8.0 and no netscape only the retarded version of netscape -mozilla. Trief using evolution, kmail, ans sypheed but all I get for html mail is either a message hidden in formating symbols or messages with blank outlined holes where pictures and captions should be. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Have a look at Beonex, a communicator program that uses the mozilla engine, but is modeled after netscape. (looks exactly like it!) -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mail Program
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 02:53:06PM -0500, Lee wrote: Anybody know of a mail program that does both text and html? Have been using netscape mail on SuSE 7.2. Upgraded to SuSE 8.0 and no netscape only the retarded version of netscape -mozilla. Trief using evolution, kmail, ans sypheed but all I get for html mail is either a message hidden in formating symbols or messages with blank outlined holes where pictures and captions should be. Sylpheed. http://sylpheed.good-day.net/ Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
Ease of use as in install and administer the devices - put it in, connect to a SCSI adapter and you're done. No messing with IRQs, etc., you can have more than four devices on the SCSI bus. As for performance the SCSI ones probably (but I haven't bench marked it so won't argure this one G.) run faster because SCSI is faster then IDE and they don't make as many coasters. I can burn on SCSI and do other things at the same time and not have problems. IDEs seem to figure in a lot of the problems that I see. On Thursday 05 December 2002 01:53 pm, Brett I. Holcomb espoused: I got so I used SCSI for my workstations. It was worth the extra cost to get the performance and ease of use. I have never had any better performance from scsi burners than from ide, as for ease of use they are no different. -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: gentoo again
Doesn't X use a standard set of mode lines if it can't find any. And I believe it selects the highest res that is allowed. Hate to reply to my own post, but no one else has... The odd thing was that the X config file created by X did not have any resolution lines. Not even one. I would have expected it to not work, or to come up in 640x480. Not the very high resolution. -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mail Program
On Thursday 05 December 2002 02:53 pm, someone claiming to be Lee wrote: Anybody know of a mail program that does both text and html? Have been using netscape mail on SuSE 7.2. Upgraded to SuSE 8.0 and no netscape only the retarded version of netscape -mozilla. Trief using evolution, kmail, ans sypheed but all I get for html mail is either a message hidden in formating symbols or messages with blank outlined holes where pictures and captions should be. Then get Netscape: http://info.netscape.com/fwd/bduothr/http://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape7/english/7.0/unix/linux22/netscape-i686-pc-linux-gnu-installer.tar.gz KMail reads HTML mail just fine, thank you. At least version 1.4.x (KDE 3.0.x) Settings-Configure Kmail-Security-General Configure HTML settings to your liking. Why do you think Mozilla is a retarded version of netscape? Netscape 7.0 is *based* on Mozilla 1.0, Mozilla is currently at 1.2.1 and has features that Netscape 7.0 doesn't. But, whatever floats your boat... HTH, Tim -- RedHat Psyche 8.0, stock kernel, Gnome 2.x, Xfree86 4.2.0 7:00pm up 3 days, 18:50, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 It's what you learn AFTER you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
I know lots of the problems with IDE burning is the CD and HD being on the same ribbon, as well as in direct CD2CD with the CDburner and CDreader on the same ribbon. On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 18:56:05 -0500 - Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord Ease of use as in install and administer the devices - put it in, connect to a SCSI adapter and you're done. No messing with IRQs, etc., you can have more than four devices on the SCSI bus. As for performance the SCSI ones probably (but I haven't bench marked it so won't argure this one G.) run faster because SCSI is faster then IDE and they don't make as many coasters. I can burn on SCSI and do other things at the same time and not have problems. IDEs seem to figure in a lot of the problems that I see. On Thursday 05 December 2002 01:53 pm, Brett I. Holcomb espoused: I got so I used SCSI for my workstations. It was worth the extra cost to get the performance and ease of use. I have never had any better performance from scsi burners than from ide, as for ease of use they are no different. -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mail Program
KMail 1.3.1 (KDE 2.2.x) works with HTML, too. I agree with Tim - check out Mozilla. I've seen several reviews of Moz vs Netscape 7.0 and Moz is selected each time. On Thursday 05 December 2002 02:53 pm, someone claiming to be Lee wrote: Anybody know of a mail program that does both text and html? Have been using netscape mail on SuSE 7.2. Upgraded to SuSE 8.0 and no netscape only the retarded version of netscape -mozilla. Trief using evolution, kmail, ans sypheed but all I get for html mail is either a message hidden in formating symbols or messages with blank outlined holes where pictures and captions should be. Then get Netscape: http://info.netscape.com/fwd/bduothr/http://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape7/english/7.0/unix/linux22/netscape-i686-pc-linux-gnu-installer.tar.gz KMail reads HTML mail just fine, thank you. At least version 1.4.x (KDE 3.0.x) Settings-Configure Kmail-Security-General Configure HTML settings to your liking. Why do you think Mozilla is a retarded version of netscape? Netscape 7.0 is *based* on Mozilla 1.0, Mozilla is currently at 1.2.1 and has features that Netscape 7.0 doesn't. But, whatever floats your boat... HTH, Tim -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mail Program
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 04:12:28PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 02:53:06PM -0500, Lee wrote: Anybody know of a mail program that does both text and html? Have been using netscape mail on SuSE 7.2. Upgraded to SuSE 8.0 and no netscape only the retarded version of netscape -mozilla. Trief using evolution, kmail, ans sypheed but all I get for html mail is either a message hidden in formating symbols or messages with blank outlined holes where pictures and captions should be. Sylpheed. http://sylpheed.good-day.net/ bonehead Oh for cryin' out loud, Kurt. He said Sylpheed didn't work. Read twice; post once. /bonehead Kurt -- Test-tube babies shouldn't throw stones. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mail Program
On Thursday 05 December 2002 08:13 pm, someone claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 04:12:28PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 02:53:06PM -0500, Lee wrote: Anybody know of a mail program that does both text and html? Have been using netscape mail on SuSE 7.2. Upgraded to SuSE 8.0 and no netscape only the retarded version of netscape -mozilla. Trief using evolution, kmail, ans sypheed but all I get for html mail is either a message hidden in formating symbols or messages with blank outlined holes where pictures and captions should be. Sylpheed. http://sylpheed.good-day.net/ bonehead Oh for cryin' out loud, Kurt. He said Sylpheed didn't work. Read twice; post once. /bonehead Kurt hey, but he also said kmail won't read html mail and, um, it does... -- RedHat Psyche 8.0, stock kernel, Gnome 2.x, Xfree86 4.2.0 7:00pm up 3 days, 18:50, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 It's what you learn AFTER you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Was Mail
Thanks a lot guys turned on HTML in Kmail and problem solved. I guess using Netscape made me kind of lazy in that communator did most of the work and I uused Kmail as only a back up. Now without netscape I have to learn to set Kmail up right. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mail Program
On 12/05/02 18:20, Lee wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: Lee wrote: Anybody know of a mail program that does both text and html? Have been using netscape mail on SuSE 7.2. Upgraded to SuSE 8.0 and no netscape only the retarded version of netscape -mozilla. Trief using evolution, kmail, ans sypheed but all I get for html mail is either a message hidden in formating symbols or messages with blank outlined holes where pictures and captions should be. Lee What's wrong with Mozilla? It doesn't have a built in mail program like messenger, it won't allow OK, but don't tell that to the Mozilla mail that i'm using to send this. me to access netscape the e-mail account that I run to misdirect the spammers in addition to my normal e-mail and it's cannibalistic. I Huh? I don't even understand what you're saying here. That sentence sounds like 6 different thoughts rolled into one. prefer Netscape 7.0 (personnel preference) but when I try to download and install it (SuSE 8.0 doesn't come with it) Mozilla takes it over and when I access Netscape Mozilla pops up. I don't like pop ads or programs that pop up and take over other programs. I find that SuSE 8.0 is a very good OS, but the lack of the browser that I prefer is a serious annoyance. PEBCAK -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo: http://netllama.ipfox.com 6:35pm up 4 days, 4:03, 1 user, load average: 0.16, 0.20, 0.17 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: gentoo again
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 06:58:12PM -0500, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: Doesn't X use a standard set of mode lines if it can't find any. And I believe it selects the highest res that is allowed. Correct. -- The trouble with a kitten is that When it grows up, it's always a cat -- Ogden Nash. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mail Program
Ken Moffat wrote: Lee wrote: Anybody know of a mail program that does both text and html? Have been using netscape mail on SuSE 7.2. Upgraded to SuSE 8.0 and no netscape only the retarded version of netscape -mozilla. Trief using evolution, kmail, ans sypheed but all I get for html mail is either a message hidden in formating symbols or messages with blank outlined holes where pictures and captions should be. Lee What's wrong with Mozilla? It doesn't have a built in mail program like messenger, it won't allow me to access netscape the e-mail account that I run to misdirect the spammers in addition to my normal e-mail and it's cannibalistic. I prefer Netscape 7.0 (personnel preference) but when I try to download and install it (SuSE 8.0 doesn't come with it) Mozilla takes it over and when I access Netscape Mozilla pops up. I don't like pop ads or programs that pop up and take over other programs. I find that SuSE 8.0 is a very good OS, but the lack of the browser that I prefer is a serious annoyance. -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mail Program
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:13:57 -0500 begin [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 04:12:28PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 02:53:06PM -0500, Lee wrote: Anybody know of a mail program that does both text and html? Have been using netscape mail on SuSE 7.2. Upgraded to SuSE 8.0 and no netscape only the retarded version of netscape -mozilla. Trief using evolution, kmail, ans sypheed but all I get for html mail is either a message hidden in formating symbols or messages with blank outlined holes where pictures and captions should be. Sylpheed. http://sylpheed.good-day.net/ bonehead Oh for cryin' out loud, Kurt. He said Sylpheed didn't work. Read twice; post once. /bonehead Kurt Kurt, for once, you're both right and right. I've run Sylpheed since somewhere around 4.0 (maybe earlier). I'm now running 8.6. The problems he's experiencing (holes, etc.,) were fixed a _long_ time ago in Sylpheed, so he's either running a _very_ old version of Sylpheed, or one compiled without any of the support libraries for graphics, etc. I'd say both are his problem. My Sylpheed (compiled with _all_ optional libraries) reads HTML (even the crappy spaghetti-code HTML Outhouse Distress writes) just fine. Pics are separate attachments, but I don't like the distraction of pix breaking up the flow of the text. If I need the picture, I'll refer to it. Ciao, David A. Bandel - -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE98AOe3uVcotqGMQcRArqZAJ0SrRTIISQCNjnhHXIHkFv50DPMYACgkqa/ DhQ6OA5FrFSHbI8Q4yvv1tc= =vUZw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
Ronnie Gauthier wrote: I know lots of the problems with IDE burning is the CD and HD being on the same ribbon, as well as in direct CD2CD with the CDburner and CDreader on the same ribbon. That is the problem with IDE burners. For on-the-fly burning at high speed the CDROM and CD-RW must be on separate IDE channels. If slaving a CD-RW to a hard drive is not acceptable, then the CDROM should be slaved to the CD-RW. If you look at computers on sale in the various emporia, the CD-RW is the boot or master CDROM. In theory, Burn-Proof allows on-the-fly burning with the CDROM as master, and the CD-RW as slave, on the secondary IDE channel. As pointed out previously, SCSI burners avoid this IDE channel congestion. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 2.7 Debian Linux System 5WV271 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 22:04:56 -0500 Leon A. Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ronnie Gauthier wrote: I know lots of the problems with IDE burning is the CD and HD being on the same ribbon, as well as in direct CD2CD with the CDburner and CDreader on the same ribbon. That is the problem with IDE burners. For on-the-fly burning at high speed the CDROM and CD-RW must be on separate IDE channels. If slaving a CD-RW to a hard drive is not acceptable, then the CDROM should be slaved to the CD-RW. If you look at computers on sale in the various emporia, the CD-RW is the boot or master CDROM. In theory, Burn-Proof allows on-the-fly burning with the CDROM as master, and the CD-RW as slave, on the secondary IDE channel. As pointed out previously, SCSI burners avoid this IDE channel congestion. Nobody with even a room-temperature IQ would ever claim that IDE is better than SCSI, but there are millions of PCs with IDE disks and IDE burners that work just fine if you avoid the obvious restrictions. I've never had SCSI anything and I've had quite good results (even on my old K6II-300 machine with a lamebrain HP burner (only at speed=2). (A side note, HP sells burners, but they don't put that POS in the PCs they sell!) Anyway, the only reason I replied is to p---off the prima donas who only speak SCSI. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area Redhat 7.3 system ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:04:09 -0600 ronnie gauthier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If 200 naked dancing fillies doesn't do it then towing an iceburg is a last resort. Does AU have any desalination plants? On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:59:12 -0500 - Leon A. Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz Jerry McBride wrote: If my memory serves me... Here in the states, for year 2002... the 48 continental states reported some measure of drought effects, Memory serves you right. The mountain and western states had the worst drowth and forrest fires in about 100 years (Colorado most especially). I don't know how that sort of thing is handled down under, but many people believe that the severest problems were created by several decades of failure to prune old growth forrests (environmentalist wackos would never allow that) which become tinderboxes with passage of time. We've had good early fall snowfall in Colorado (most ski areas are open early this year), but it's too early to say whether the weatherman will bring us the March snows that we depend on to break the drouth cycle. Our sympathies are with you, Keith, and the stockmen here and there who have to watch their herds die or with people who watch their homes go up in flames. We who remain unaffected (as yet) have much to be thankful for. Most people in Denver only had to deal with outdoor watering restrictions, poorly maintained golf courses, and no campfires anywhere in the state. You could get your thong, Keith, and join the nudie cuties in their rain dance. grin -- Collins Richey - Denver Area Redhat 7.3 system ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mail Program
On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 19:20, Lee wrote: snipped It doesn't have a built in mail program like messenger, it won't allow me to access netscape the e-mail account that I run to misdirect the spammers in addition to my normal e-mail and it's cannibalistic. I prefer Netscape 7.0 (personnel preference) but when I try to download and install it (SuSE 8.0 doesn't come with it) Mozilla takes it over and when I access Netscape Mozilla pops up. I don't like pop ads or programs that pop up and take over other programs. I find that SuSE 8.0 is a very good OS, but the lack of the browser that I prefer is a serious annoyance. snipped Can't comment on the email issue with Mozilla (I have been using evolution for the last year or so), BUT SuSE 8.0 does come with Netscape. It has been a while since I loaded the distro, so from memory you probably need to look in the pay section for Netscape. Just checked on this computer and the version loaded is 6.2.1 from the SuSE DVD. Appears that I did not finish setting up Netscape because I switched to Mozilla. As of version 8.0, Mozilla is the default browser for SuSE. Speaking of pop-ups, they can be turned off with Mozilla/Galeon but not with Netscape. To get the latest Mozilla compiled specifically for SuSE go to: www.usr-local-bin.org The maintainer at that site does a pretty good job of keeping the gnome type apps (moz, galeon, evolution) current for SuSE users. -- Ralph Sanford - If your government does not trust you, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - should you trust your government? DH/DSS Key - 0x7A1BEA01 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mail Program
On Thursday 05 December 2002 09:20 pm, someone claiming to be Lee wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: Lee wrote: Anybody know of a mail program that does both text and html? Have been using netscape mail on SuSE 7.2. Upgraded to SuSE 8.0 and no netscape only the retarded version of netscape -mozilla. Trief using evolution, kmail, ans sypheed but all I get for html mail is either a message hidden in formating symbols or messages with blank outlined holes where pictures and captions should be. Lee What's wrong with Mozilla? It doesn't have a built in mail program like messenger, it won't allow me to access netscape the e-mail account that I run to misdirect the spammers in addition to my normal e-mail and it's cannibalistic. I prefer Netscape 7.0 (personnel preference) but when I try to download and install it (SuSE 8.0 doesn't come with it) Mozilla takes it over and when I access Netscape Mozilla pops up. I don't like pop ads or programs that pop up and take over other programs. I find that SuSE 8.0 is a very good OS, but the lack of the browser that I prefer is a serious annoyance. Have you considered *uninstalling* mozilla, if it annoys you so? Uninstall mozilla, install Netscape. What do you mean by mozilla won't allow [you] to access netscape the e-mail account? I would find it highly annoying that I could access my mail account via only *one* program. E-mail should be e-mail and be retrievable by any e-mail client. Netscpae/AOL, however, feels differently. Mozilla, FWIW, is *better* at blocking pop-up adds than Netscape. And many users of Mozilla are just as frustrated by Netscape/AOL crippling Mozilla and calling it Netscape 7. Take a look at Phoenix, http://www.mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/ It's a browser only project started by Mozilla developers who were frustrated by the direction of Mozilla developement. Regards, Tim -- RedHat Psyche 8.0, stock kernel, Gnome 2.x, Xfree86 4.2.0 7:00pm up 3 days, 18:50, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 It's what you learn AFTER you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Exim, Anyone
ANyone here used Exim? What are your opinions of it, if so? It seems easier to configure thatn Sendmail. thanks, Kurt ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Was Mail
what's wrong with mozilla (other than habbits :)? Lee wrote: Thanks a lot guys turned on HTML in Kmail and problem solved. I guess using Netscape made me kind of lazy in that communator did most of the work and I uused Kmail as only a back up. Now without netscape I have to learn to set Kmail up right. -- Swiftly. Silently. Invisibly. .~.in Linux we trust. news://news.linux-sxs.org / v \ http://www.linux-sxs.org news://news.linux.org.hk /( _ )\ http://www.linuxfromscratch.org news://news.hkpcug.org ^ ^http://beyond.linuxfromscratch.org ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 06:19:17 +1000, Keith Antoine wrote: Armageddon ?? Naw. Christmas shopping season. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
