Re: The SCO Group Closes $50 Million Equity Financing
On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 01:04, Myles Green wrote: $50 Million Private Investment Transaction Led by BayStar Capital Provides SCO With Funding for Future Software Development, SCOx Web Services Partnerships And Acquisitions, Future Licensing Opportunities and the Protection of the Company's Intellectual Property Assets http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031016/lath130_1.html freakin' SCOx suckers :-/ A private investment group... I wonder where the capital would trace back to, eventually? Now for something entirely different, does anyone recall what MS intends to use some of that $1Billion war fund for? -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: The SCO Group Closes $50 Million Equity Financing
I read somewhere else that Baystar has a history of investing in companies whose prime focus is suing other companies over IP rights. So this must be a lucrative business. Afterall, it is driving up SCO stock prices. -Original Message- From: burns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 6:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The SCO Group Closes $50 Million Equity Financing On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 01:04, Myles Green wrote: $50 Million Private Investment Transaction Led by BayStar Capital... Future Licensing Opportunities and the Protection of the Company's Intellectual Property Assets http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031016/lath130_1.html freakin' SCOx suckers :-/ A private investment group... I wonder where the capital would trace back to, eventually? Now for something entirely different, does anyone recall what MS intends to use some of that $1Billion war fund for? -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
I need a distro recommendation!
Hi, I'm installing Linux on a laptop for a friend - P4 1.8, 256 MB DDR, Radeon 7500, it's really a pretty nice laptop. Redhat hates it, it hates Redhat (countless bugs, sound-related, scanning-related, PPP related, etc. both in 9.0 and I even tried the latest Severn and I don't feel like squashing them). It did work just fine when I installed it on his desktop... but oh well. Gentoo takes way too long (he needs it by the end of next week, max, and what with package downloads on dialup.. yeah right) and he's pretty much computer illiterate. Mandrake just seems too Redhat-like for me, plus I'm getting unstability reports, but I'm willing to give it a try. Debian... I'm also willing to try it... but I just have a bad taste in my mouth after the last time I tried it (though that was several years ago- I just hated having to wait for up to date versions to make it into stable, which I'm definitely going to be using on someone else's machine). SuSE I'd rather not pay for, and neither would he. Slackware looks like my best option right now... as I've got the Slackware LiveCD loaded on there right now, and it's really fast and really nice looking (it's actually faster than Redhat was running off the disk). Any reason why I shouldn't use slackware or I should use one of the others I've listed (or ones I've forgotten to list?) Ease of use after installation, lack of show-stopping bugs (i.e. no workarounds just to get on the web to get mail- we had that with Redhat on the laptop), and fast setup are of main importance (oh yeah.. free as well). Thanks! Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
On Friday 17 October 2003 12:20 pm, Robert E. Raymond wrote: Hi, I'm installing Linux on a laptop for a friend - P4 1.8, 256 MB DDR, Radeon 7500, it's really a pretty nice laptop. How 'bout Caldera OpenLinux 3.1??;-) (slap) -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd Rather Be Sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:20:23 + Robert E. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP! Rehat is too buggy. Gentoo takes too long. Debian leaves you with a bad taste in your mouth. You don't want to pay for SuSE. You also want Ease of use after installation, lack of show-stopping bugs (i.e. no workarounds just to get on the web to get mail- we had that with Redhat on the laptop), and fast setup are of main importance (oh yeah.. free as well) Why don't you try M$ Windows? (The only problem there is you will have to pay for it- but then, nothing in life is free) Terence ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:20:23 + Robert E. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm installing Linux on a laptop for a friend - P4 1.8, 256 MB DDR, Radeon 7500, it's really a pretty nice laptop. Redhat hates it, it hates Redhat (countless bugs, sound-related, scanning-related, PPP related, etc. both in 9.0 and I even tried the latest Severn and I don't feel like squashing them). It did work just fine when I installed it on his desktop... but oh well. Gentoo takes way too long (he needs it by the end of next week, max, and what with package downloads on dialup.. yeah right) and he's pretty much computer illiterate. Mandrake just seems too Redhat-like for me, plus I'm getting unstability reports, but I'm willing to give it a try. Debian... I'm also willing to try it... but I just have a bad taste in my mouth after the last time I tried it (though that was several years ago- I just hated having to wait for up to date versions to make it into stable, which I'm definitely going to be using on someone else's machine). Debian used to have only stable and unstable. Now, there's testing. Current packages, but not bleeding edge, also not as stale as stable. Also a few other non-official repositories have things like acrobat reader, kde-3.1.4, etc. SuSE I'd rather not pay for, and neither would he. Slackware looks like my best option right now... as I've got the Slackware LiveCD loaded on there right now, and it's really fast and really nice looking (it's actually faster than Redhat was running off the disk). Ever a good choice, but harder to keep current. Wish list: apt-get for slackware (slack-get? apt-slack? apt-ware?). Any reason why I shouldn't use slackware or I should use one of the others I've listed (or ones I've forgotten to list?) Ease of use after installation, lack of show-stopping bugs (i.e. no workarounds just to get on the web to get mail- we had that with Redhat on the laptop), and fast setup are of main importance (oh yeah.. free as well). Thanks! Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. Nemesis Racing Team motto GPG key autoresponder: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
Terence McCarthy wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:20:23 + Robert E. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP! Rehat is too buggy. Gentoo takes too long. Debian leaves you with a bad taste in your mouth. You don't want to pay for SuSE. You also want Ease of use after installation, lack of show-stopping bugs (i.e. no workarounds just to get on the web to get mail- we had that with Redhat on the laptop), and fast setup are of main importance (oh yeah.. free as well) Why don't you try M$ Windows? (The only problem there is you will have to pay for it- but then, nothing in life is free) Terence ___ That's actually what I try to tell him (gasp!) as he's really about the most computer-illiterate person I've ever seen.. and Windows is already on there... but n.. he wants Linux... Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
I belive it was Robert E. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] who wrote: snippage Slackware looks like my best option right now... as I've got the Slackware LiveCD loaded on there right now, and it's really fast and really nice looking (it's actually faster than Redhat was running off the disk). Any reason why I shouldn't use slackware or I should use one of the others I've listed (or ones I've forgotten to list?) Ease of use after installation, lack of show-stopping bugs (i.e. no workarounds just to get on the web to get mail- we had that with Redhat on the laptop), and fast setup are of main importance (oh yeah.. free as well). It sounds like you've made your choice already. Add SWARET to keep it (Slackware) updated and you're all set. Although, if he really is computer illiterate you'd best make sure *everything* is set up before turning him loose with it, otherwise you'll run the risk of turning him off of Linux. Slackware can be hard on newbies, or so I'm told (it was my first distro and I still use it shrug). Or, as someone else suggested, leave Windows on it ;o) -- Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Slackware-9.1 + XFce 4.0.0 + Sylpheed-0.9.6claws -- Alberta Mirror for Linux-SxS.org http://linux-sxs.org/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
David A. Bandel wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:20:23 + Robert E. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped Debian... I'm also willing to try it... but I just have a bad taste in my mouth after the last time I tried it (though that was several years ago- I just hated having to wait for up to date versions to make it into stable, which I'm definitely going to be using on someone else's machine). Debian used to have only stable and unstable. Now, there's testing. Current packages, but not bleeding edge, also not as stale as stable. Also a few other non-official repositories have things like acrobat reader, kde-3.1.4, etc. SuSE I'd rather not pay for, and neither would he. Slackware looks like my best option right now... as I've got the Slackware LiveCD loaded on there right now, and it's really fast and really nice looking (it's actually faster than Redhat was running off the disk). Ever a good choice, but harder to keep current. Wish list: apt-get for slackware (slack-get? apt-slack? apt-ware?). Honestly I don't care about *his* ability to keep it terribly current.. as he won't, even if it's easy (that's why I was willing to put Gentoo on it). He's actually able to figure out Synaptic on the Redhat installation on his desktop... maybe I ought to bite the bullet and try Debian again... Thanks! Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
I belive it was David A. Bandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] who wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:20:23 + Robert E. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Slackware looks like my best option right now... as I've got the Slackware LiveCD loaded on there right now, and it's really fast and really nice looking (it's actually faster than Redhat was running off the disk). Ever a good choice, but harder to keep current. Wish list: apt-get for slackware (slack-get? apt-slack? apt-ware?). snip Try either SWARET or Slapt-get they both do an excellent job. You can find them on freshmeat.net. -- Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Slackware-9.1 + XFce 4.0.0 + Sylpheed-0.9.6claws -- Alberta Mirror for Linux-SxS.org http://linux-sxs.org/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
On Friday 17 October 2003 4:23 pm, someone claiming to be Robert E. Raymond wrote: Terence McCarthy wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:20:23 + Robert E. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP! Rehat is too buggy. Gentoo takes too long. Debian leaves you with a bad taste in your mouth. You don't want to pay for SuSE. You also want Ease of use after installation, lack of show-stopping bugs (i.e. no workarounds just to get on the web to get mail- we had that with Redhat on the laptop), and fast setup are of main importance (oh yeah.. free as well) Why don't you try M$ Windows? (The only problem there is you will have to pay for it- but then, nothing in life is free) Terence ___ That's actually what I try to tell him (gasp!) as he's really about the most computer-illiterate person I've ever seen.. and Windows is already on there... but n.. he wants Linux... A prime candidate for Lindows? Perhaps Xandros... -- RedHat 8.0 Kernel 2.4.20-20.8, KDE 3.1.4, Xfree86 4.2.1 4:40pm up 12 days, 18:30, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 16:23, Robert E. Raymond wrote: Terence McCarthy wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:20:23 + Robert E. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP! Rehat is too buggy. Gentoo takes too long. Debian leaves you with a bad taste in your mouth. You don't want to pay for SuSE. You also want Ease of use after installation, lack of show-stopping bugs (i.e. no workarounds just to get on the web to get mail- we had that with Redhat on the laptop), and fast setup are of main importance (oh yeah.. free as well) Why don't you try M$ Windows? (The only problem there is you will have to pay for it- but then, nothing in life is free) Terence ___ That's actually what I try to tell him (gasp!) as he's really about the most computer-illiterate person I've ever seen.. and Windows is already on there... but n.. he wants Linux... You could always try one of the rookie distros. Lycoris, Lindows, or Xandros. Don't have a clue of how they would do on a laptop. I'm actually looking into testing one of these on my brother, who is also completely computer illiterate. He just got an old p133 pc and DSL. He wants to get a new pc and I've been thinking of having him order one of the Wal-mart specials with either Lindows or Lycoris. But I don't know squat about either of them so I have been putting it off. Good luck. Tom Wilson McSwain Carpets 513.771.1400 x124 -- The luck that is ordained for you will be coveted by others. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
Myles Green wrote: I belive it was Robert E. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] who wrote: snippage Slackware looks like my best option right now... as I've got the Slackware LiveCD loaded on there right now, and it's really fast and really nice looking (it's actually faster than Redhat was running off the disk). Any reason why I shouldn't use slackware or I should use one of the others I've listed (or ones I've forgotten to list?) Ease of use after installation, lack of show-stopping bugs (i.e. no workarounds just to get on the web to get mail- we had that with Redhat on the laptop), and fast setup are of main importance (oh yeah.. free as well). It sounds like you've made your choice already. Add SWARET to keep it (Slackware) updated and you're all set. Although, if he really is computer illiterate you'd best make sure *everything* is set up before turning him loose with it, otherwise you'll run the risk of turning him off of Linux. Slackware can be hard on newbies, or so I'm told (it was my first distro and I still use it shrug). Or, as someone else suggested, leave Windows on it ;o) Well.. He does have some Linux experience to the point that he can use it just like he uses Windows without fear of the thing crashing... SWARET looks pretty cool... if I could train him to use the command line (as it is he gets hung up about the domain/login stuff that appears before the # or $...) He won't be turned off of the OS even though some people unfortunately should be. Do you know if it's possible to use a GUI (actual GUI.. gswaret looks nice but it's still kinda textish) with SWARET? If you can, then Slackware is definitely going on there instead of Debian (as Synaptic is a great little tool). Thanks Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Tim Wunder wrote: A prime candidate for Lindows? Perhaps Xandros... There's also Redmond Linux, or whatever they're calling it now. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
I've recently tried Mandrake 9.1 - installed like a dream. No serious bugs yet. The KDE setup is very different from eD2.4 (my previous distro), especially if you try tweaking some of the preferences. I'd definitely give it a thumbs up overall. Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/17/2003 02:20:23 PM: Hi, I'm installing Linux on a laptop for a friend - P4 1.8, 256 MB DDR, Radeon 7500, it's really a pretty nice laptop. Redhat hates it, it hates Redhat (countless bugs, sound-related, scanning-related, PPP related, etc. both in 9.0 and I even tried the latest Severn and I don't feel like squashing them). It did work just fine when I installed it on his desktop... but oh well. Gentoo takes way too long (he needs it by the end of next week, max, and what with package downloads on dialup.. yeah right) and he's pretty much computer illiterate. Mandrake just seems too Redhat-like for me, plus I'm getting unstability reports, but I'm willing to give it a try. Debian... I'm also willing to try it... but I just have a bad taste in my mouth after the last time I tried it (though that was several years ago- I just hated having to wait for up to date versions to make it into stable, which I'm definitely going to be using on someone else's machine). SuSE I'd rather not pay for, and neither would he. Slackware looks like my best option right now... as I've got the Slackware LiveCD loaded on there right now, and it's really fast and really nice looking (it's actually faster than Redhat was running off the disk). Any reason why I shouldn't use slackware or I should use one of the others I've listed (or ones I've forgotten to list?) Ease of use after installation, lack of show-stopping bugs (i.e. no workarounds just to get on the web to get mail- we had that with Redhat on the laptop), and fast setup are of main importance (oh yeah.. free as well). Thanks! Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs. org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- This message (including any attachments) may contain information which is confidential or privileged. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this message by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and any attachments without retaining a copy. -- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
On Friday 17 October 2003 3:51 pm, someone claiming to be Net Llama! wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Tim Wunder wrote: A prime candidate for Lindows? Perhaps Xandros... There's also Redmond Linux, or whatever they're calling it now. Lycoris. It's based on COL 3.1, isn't it? Wasn't Joe Cheek on the Caldera list for a little while way back when? That actually might not be a bad choice. There's a little community-based website on it, too, http://www.lycoris.org Last I read about it, though, was the default desktop was KDE 2. Dunno what the current product is shipping with, though. And there site is conspicuously lacking in providing that detail Tim -- RedHat 8.0 Kernel 2.4.20-20.8, KDE 3.1.4, Xfree86 4.2.1 4:55pm up 12 days, 18:45, 2 users, load average: 0.03, 0.15, 0.10 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:43:00 + Robert E. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Myles Green wrote: I belive it was Robert E. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] who wrote: snippage Slackware looks like my best option right now... as I've got the Slackware LiveCD loaded on there right now, and it's really fast and really nice looking (it's actually faster than Redhat was running off the disk). Any reason why I shouldn't use slackware or I should use one of the others I've listed (or ones I've forgotten to list?) Ease of use after installation, lack of show-stopping bugs (i.e. no workarounds just to get on the web to get mail- we had that with Redhat on the laptop), and fast setup are of main importance (oh yeah.. free as well). It sounds like you've made your choice already. Add SWARET to keep it (Slackware) updated and you're all set. Although, if he really is computer illiterate you'd best make sure *everything* is set up before turning him loose with it, otherwise you'll run the risk of turning him off of Linux. Slackware can be hard on newbies, or so I'm told (it was my first distro and I still use it shrug). Or, as someone else suggested, leave Windows on it ;o) Well.. He does have some Linux experience to the point that he can use it just like he uses Windows without fear of the thing crashing... SWARET looks pretty cool... if I could train him to use the command line (as it is he gets hung up about the domain/login stuff that appears before the # or $...) He won't be turned off of the OS even though some people unfortunately should be. Do you know if it's possible to use a GUI (actual GUI.. gswaret looks nice but it's still kinda textish) with SWARET? If you can, then Slackware is definitely going on there instead of Debian (as Synaptic is a great little tool). It all depends on what you can tolerate. If you want easy as falling off a log, something like Mandrake is an ok choice. I bit the bullet about 3.5 years ago, installed gentoo, spent several days compiling, and haven't looked back except to experiment with the other distros. Upgrades are almost painless except for compile time. Unlike your experiences, I had very good results with RedHat 7.3, although I haven't tried the later for-pay versions. Now that apt2rpm (sp?) is available to automate RPM stuff, you could stay up to date fairly easily. On the other hand, for a relatively knowledgable user (aye, there's the rub), my second choice would be Slackware. Particularly now that SWARET(sp?) is available to automate your maintenance tasks. Lycoris (Debian based) is supposed to be good also, but once again not free. So the choices are free/not-free, good/sloppy, quick/slow. You may not find an optimal answer. Enjoy. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
Bob Raymond wrote inter alia: Debian... I'm also willing to try it... but I just have a bad taste in my mouth after the last time I tried it (though that was several years ago- I just hated having to wait for up to date versions to make it into stable, which I'm definitely going to be using on someone else's machine). You can download a free copy of Libranet 2.7 and try it. No telling if it will run your sound though. Libranet 2.8/2.8.1 added ALSA. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 2.8 Debian Linux System LI ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Bob Raymond wrote inter alia: Debian... I'm also willing to try it... but I just have a bad taste in my mouth after the last time I tried it (though that was several years ago- I just hated having to wait for up to date versions to make it into stable, which I'm definitely going to be using on someone else's machine). You can download a free copy of Libranet 2.7 and try it. No telling if it will run your sound though. Libranet 2.8/2.8.1 added ALSA. Well... Intel I810 sound works with OSS.. but one of my big gripes with Redhat was that it didn't have ALSA, so sound kept cutting out all the time at first. I don't particularly like admin'ing his machine when I have a million of my own things to be doing, so since Slackware and Debian seem to have ALSA for free, plus from what I've read (and seen in the case of Debian with that ancient Potato) they seem to be really stable, I'll give them a try first. Thanks tho Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Robert E. Raymond wrote: Terence McCarthy wrote: Rehat is too buggy. I'm using Red Hat 9.0 on my laptop. I have to admit that if you're installing Red Hat, it can be a real pain ! The reasons are : 1. Mozilla -- If you want the latest, you will have problems with Flash (the one from Macromedia did not work when I tried it some months back. May be fixed by now though) and Java (Using Sun, Blackdown or IBM? Remember that for the Plug-In to work, you need the glibc 3.x compiled version-- that rules out IBM, and you may need to add LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 as an environment variable) 2. KDE 3.x -- better have 512 MB RAM or more installed. Red Hat can be a slug if you use this. I use XFCE4 instead (but that adds a whole different set of problems) 3. Fonts -- yeah, it looks really crappy when you first install Red Hat. Better get the Subpixel font positioning thing working, or reduce the size till Anti-Alising doesn't kick in, but it fonts don't look jaggy or blurry. All that being said, what I'm going to say may surprise you -- I'm actually beginning to like Red Hat. A lot ! You'll need to do a lot of tinkering (but that has been my experience for most Linux distros I've used, except for OpenLinux), and you should factor in at least 1 week to get it installed and tuned just so. But once you work out the kinks --and assuming that you've documented everything -- you can do your next install in under 30 minutes (Minimal install) and all the tuning and stuff can be finished in about 3 to 4 hours (download, install and use apt-get for Red Hat!). Unlike Windows 2000 Professional, which took me an entire DAY AND A HALF to finish installing because of all the patches and crap. The scary thing is, the more you patch, the slower it gets. Sure it's stable, but it's like watching your Pentium 4 PC degenerate to a 486 before your eyes as you put in patch after patch after patch.My laptop is running Red Hat, and even after upgrading the kernel, putting 2 instances of Apache, one database, one app server and one IDE, it still works pretty fast. And it's a Celeron. But you'll still need the 1 week familiarization with Red Hat for the initial install. Regards, pascal chong ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
Chong Yu Meng wrote: Robert E. Raymond wrote: Terence McCarthy wrote: Rehat is too buggy. I'm using Red Hat 9.0 on my laptop. I have to admit that if you're installing Red Hat, it can be a real pain ! The reasons are : 1. Mozilla -- If you want the latest, you will have problems with Flash (the one from Macromedia did not work when I tried it some months back. May be fixed by now though) and Java (Using Sun, Blackdown or IBM? Remember that for the Plug-In to work, you need the glibc 3.x compiled version-- that rules out IBM, and you may need to add LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 as an environment variable) Yup, I see this. I didn't have any problem getting the 1.4 RPM from rawhide working on either the laptop or the destkop, but he still doesn't have java on his desktop ;) 2. KDE 3.x -- better have 512 MB RAM or more installed. Red Hat can be a slug if you use this. I use XFCE4 instead (but that adds a whole different set of problems) I'm all for using XFCE myself on a slower machine, but he's used to KDE so I'm forced to give him that. GNOME would be ok, but he uses KPPP (I can't change too much or he'll be phoning me daily- how do i do this, how do I do that). His desktop is very fast with KDE and Redhat because I insisted he get 512 MB of RAM. He's being cheap right now, not to mention he lacks time to get more for the laptop. 3. Fonts -- yeah, it looks really crappy when you first install Red Hat. Better get the Subpixel font positioning thing working, or reduce the size till Anti-Alising doesn't kick in, but it fonts don't look jaggy or blurry. Believe it or not, the fonts looked great! Maybe it's the 1400x1050 res. tho... All that being said, what I'm going to say may surprise you -- I'm actually beginning to like Red Hat. A lot ! You'll need to do a lot of tinkering (but that has been my experience for most Linux distros I've used, except for OpenLinux), and you should factor in at least 1 week to get it installed and tuned just so. But once you work out the kinks --and assuming that you've documented everything -- you can do your next install in under 30 minutes (Minimal install) and all the tuning and stuff can be finished in about 3 to 4 hours (download, install and use apt-get for Red Hat!). Unlike Windows 2000 Professional, which took me an entire DAY AND A HALF to finish installing because of all the patches and crap. The scary thing is, the more you patch, the slower it gets. Sure it's stable, but it's like watching your Pentium 4 PC degenerate to a 486 before your eyes as you put in patch after patch after patch.My laptop is running Red Hat, and even after upgrading the kernel, putting 2 instances of Apache, one database, one app server and one IDE, it still works pretty fast. And it's a Celeron. Yah.. XP is pretty darn slow on both his machines... fast on mine.. but then I'm better at keeping it running smoothly and not installing everything in sight when I get a new piece of low quality hardware because it's cheap (oh yeah, don't do that either, no wonder I don't have all sorts of bugs cropping up). But you'll still need the 1 week familiarization with Red Hat for the initial install. Well.. I'm having my father download Slackware on Monday when he gets back to his high speed connection at work... Debian I'd do, but I can't figure out which CDs I truly need and there are 9! to choose from. Thanks! Bob Raymond Regards, pascal chong ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
Bob Raymond wrote: Leon A. Goldstein wrote: > Bob Raymond wrote inter alia: > >>Debian... I'm also willing to try it... but I just have a bad taste in >>my mouth after the last time I tried it (though that was several years >>ago- I just hated having to wait for up to date versions to make it into >>stable, which I'm definitely going to be using on someone else's machine). >> > > You can download a free copy of Libranet 2.7 and try it. > No telling if it will run your sound though. Libranet 2.8/2.8.1 > added ALSA. > Well... Intel I810 sound works with OSS.. but one of my big gripes with Redhat was that it didn't have ALSA, so sound kept cutting out all the time at first. I don't particularly like admin'ing his machine when I have a million of my own things to be doing, so since Slackware and Debian seem to have ALSA for free, plus from what I've read (and seen in the case of Debian with that ancient Potato) they seem to be really stable, I'll give them a try first. Thanks tho Bob Raymond Libranet 2.7 set up sound during installation on my P4 box, also with i810 sound. You can always gor the Knoppix route too. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 2.8 Debian Linux System LI ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Collins Richey wrote: Lycoris (Debian based) is supposed to be good also, but once again not free. Unless they really changed direction, Lycoris is based on Caldera, not Debian. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003, Robert E. Raymond wrote: 1. Mozilla -- If you want the latest, you will have problems with Flash (the one from Macromedia did not work when I tried it some months back. May be fixed by now though) and Java (Using Sun, Blackdown or IBM? Remember that for the Plug-In to work, you need the glibc 3.x compiled version-- that rules out IBM, and you may need to add LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 as an environment variable) Yup, I see this. I didn't have any problem getting the 1.4 RPM from rawhide working on either the laptop or the destkop, but he still doesn't have java on his desktop ;) A word of warning. Redhat's mozilla RPMs are a PoS. They do some truly evil unintuitive things with mouse text highlighting that will slowly drive you mad. I ended up removing their mozilla altogether, and installing the official binary tarball. 3. Fonts -- yeah, it looks really crappy when you first install Red Hat. Better get the Subpixel font positioning thing working, or reduce the size till Anti-Alising doesn't kick in, but it fonts don't look jaggy or blurry. Believe it or not, the fonts looked great! Maybe it's the 1400x1050 res. tho... Fonts in RH9 are gorgeous, or at least ISO-8859-1. Perhaps the asian charsets aren't anti-aliased like the western ones? -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Collins Richey wrote: Lycoris (Debian based) is supposed to be good also, but once again not free. Unless they really changed direction, Lycoris is based on Caldera, not Debian. Yeah, that was a brain fart: I meant libranet. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:35:58 -0400 Leon A. Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Raymond wrote: Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Bob Raymond wrote inter alia: Debian... I'm also willing to try it... but I just have a bad taste in my mouth after the last time I tried it (though that was several years ago- I just hated having to wait for up to date versions to make it into stable, which I'm definitely going to be using on someone else's machine). You can download a free copy of Libranet 2.7 and try it. No telling if it will run your sound though. Libranet 2.8/2.8.1 added ALSA. Well... Intel I810 sound works with OSS.. but one of my big gripes with Redhat was that it didn't have ALSA, so sound kept cutting out all the time at first. I don't particularly like admin'ing his machine when I have a million of my own things to be doing, so since Slackware and Debian seem to have ALSA for free, plus from what I've read (and seen in the case of Debian with that ancient Potato) they seem to be really stable, I'll give them a try first. Thanks tho Bob Raymond Libranet 2.7 set up sound during installation on my P4 box, also with i810 sound. You can always gor the Knoppix route too. Having once tried true debian myself (what a POS), I have to agree with Leon. If you want debian, get libranet. The other possibility is to install from KNOPPIX and then upgrade. I did this once, and it was ok. But then, as you already said, Slack will do nicely -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:35:58 -0400 Leon A. Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Raymond wrote: Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Bob Raymond wrote inter alia: Debian... I'm also willing to try it... but I just have a bad taste in my mouth after the last time I tried it (though that was several years ago- I just hated having to wait for up to date versions to make it into stable, which I'm definitely going to be using on someone else's machine). You can download a free copy of Libranet 2.7 and try it. No telling if it will run your sound though. Libranet 2.8/2.8.1 added ALSA. Well... Intel I810 sound works with OSS.. but one of my big gripes with Redhat was that it didn't have ALSA, so sound kept cutting out all the time at first. I don't particularly like admin'ing his machine when I have a million of my own things to be doing, so since Slackware and Debian seem to have ALSA for free, plus from what I've read (and seen in the case of Debian with that ancient Potato) they seem to be really stable, I'll give them a try first. Thanks tho Bob Raymond Libranet 2.7 set up sound during installation on my P4 box, also with i810 sound. You can always gor the Knoppix route too. One final shot on this. Leon, I know you have used libranet for a long time. Does libranet get around the debian stable = hopelessly antequated problem pretty well, i.e. relatively current packages are available? -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
Collins Richey wrote: One final shot on this. Leon, I know you have used libranet for a long time. Does libranet get around the debian stable = hopelessly antequated problem pretty well, i.e. relatively current packages are available? I'll second Leon's Libranet recommendation. And Yes, the packages in Libranet 2.8/2.8.1 are quite up to date. They base it on 'testing' now, with many 'unstable' packages included. (Not that they are unstable, just from the unstable branch). And if you get the freebie, 2.7, you can always change the /etc/apt/sources.list file to reflect the testing or unstable branch and go at it, updating the whole thing if you want to. (but careful, you can screw things up totally sometimes) Those who don't like debian should look at Libranet, which has a good install and is up to date, with a bunch of good users on a forum and mailing list. -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
yet another .pdf question
i have a very long pdf file, several pages of which i would like to be able to save to a separate pdf file. i can find no way of doing this without buying very expensive software. does anyone know of a way to do this? acrobat reader has no provision for it that i can find, and for some reason the linux pdf tools shipped with suse 8.2 are capable of opening no pdf file, from any source, that i can find. thanks. -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: yet another .pdf question
You could always print the pages to postscript, and then open it with ghostview. On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, dep wrote: i have a very long pdf file, several pages of which i would like to be able to save to a separate pdf file. i can find no way of doing this without buying very expensive software. does anyone know of a way to do this? acrobat reader has no provision for it that i can find, and for some reason the linux pdf tools shipped with suse 8.2 are capable of opening no pdf file, from any source, that i can find. thanks. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: yet another .pdf question
quoth Net Llama!: | You could always print the pages to postscript, and then open it with | ghostview. that i have done. i've even used ps2pdf to make the resulting file into a .pdf. but the thing has big black bands across every page when opened with acrobat. the whole purpose is to make it portable, and .ps isn't as portable as .pdf is. -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:57:29 -0700 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: One final shot on this. Leon, I know you have used libranet for a long time. Does libranet get around the debian stable = hopelessly antequated problem pretty well, i.e. relatively current packages are available? I'll second Leon's Libranet recommendation. And Yes, the packages in Libranet 2.8/2.8.1 are quite up to date. They base it on 'testing' now, with many 'unstable' packages included. (Not that they are unstable, just from the unstable branch). And if you get the freebie, 2.7, you can always change the /etc/apt/sources.list file to reflect the testing or unstable branch and go at it, updating the whole thing if you want to. (but careful, you can screw things up totally sometimes) Those who don't like debian should look at Libranet, which has a good install and is up to date, with a bunch of good users on a forum and mailing list. Thanks for the additional info. If you get the paid-up version, does libranet provide updates from time to time to keep you up to date, or do you have to monitor the debian sites to find out what's going on? The primary reason I stick with gentoo is the ease of updating. A few times a week, I run 'emerge sync' (update the list of available packages) and 'emerge -pu world' (list the new stable updates that are available based on what I have installed). Is that type of operation easy on libranet/debian? -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: yet another .pdf question
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:17:29 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quoth Net Llama!: | You could always print the pages to postscript, and then open it with | ghostview. that i have done. i've even used ps2pdf to make the resulting file into a .pdf. but the thing has big black bands across every page when opened with acrobat. the whole purpose is to make it portable, and .ps isn't as portable as .pdf is. -- Bummer! OpenOffice allows you to create a pdf, but you can't read one! You might try http://www.pdf995.com/ on a WinBlast machine to convert the file to .doc or something else. It looks like there is a free version. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
Collins Richey wrote: Thanks for the additional info. If you get the paid-up version, does libranet provide updates from time to time to keep you up to date, or do you have to monitor the debian sites to find out what's going on? They do provide some packages, but mostly the available updates are debian packages. They did update a bunch for version 2.8.1, and it was a free upgrade from 2.8. Pretty up to date packages. The primary reason I stick with gentoo is the ease of updating. A few times a week, I run 'emerge sync' (update the list of available packages) and 'emerge -pu world' (list the new stable updates that are available based on what I have installed). Is that type of operation easy on libranet/debian? This is comparable to 'apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade' which grabs all new packages from whichever branch you are aimed at. Libranet uses testing (sarge), plus their own repository. -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
On Friday 17 October 2003 05:49 pm, Collins Richey's voice rose above the ones in my head and stated: So the choices are free/not-free, good/sloppy, quick/slow. You may not find an optimal answer. Kinda like the old you can get it good and fast but it ain't gonna be cheap. You can get it fast and cheap, but it ain't gonna be good. You can get it cheap and good, but it ain't gonna be fast. -- Tom Wilson Reg. Linux user# 199331 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Irritating Spam/Worm(?)
Hi All, Ever since I posted a message to the Smallville newsgroup (yes, I watch that stuff. If you didn't grow up watching Christopher Reeve as Superman and Lynda Carter as Wonder Woman, well, you wouldn't understand), I've been getting a lot of spam mail. As I am on a Linux machine, the attachment (Content type is audio/x-midi; name=henn.exe, but the filename varies, though the EXE extension does not) does nothing. However, it displays an intriguing little grey square in the email message. The message body typically says that a message was undeliverable. The originating and terminating addresses are bogus. I have 2 questions: 1. How do I track down the origin of the mail ? I'm just curious as to what other people do when they want to track down these mails. 2. Does anybody know what the attachment does? Some links to computing resources would help, though I find some of the sites so verbose as to be next to useless. Anything for the lay person? Regards, pascal chong ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
