Re: (day three) - your opinion on the new design needed
Scribbling feverishly on April 04, David A. Bandel managed to emit: On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 22:43:17 -0500 begin Marvin Dickens [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: [snip] But then again, what do I know...?... Kurt and David B. are better equipped than I am at this sort of thing. Indeed. When I was working on one of my books, I spent a week rewriting a chapter on a set of function call interfaces because one of the reviewers noticed that in some places, I had inadvertently parroted the manual pages. This was disconcerting to me and the editors, but not a surprise -- I *had* to look at the manual pages (most of which are covered under the GPL) for complete details and to make sure I didn't butcher the description. On the other hand, there are only so many ways to explain, for example, that a system call returns 0 if it succeeds and -1 if an error occurs (in which case it sets errno). Could you look around and find something that looks similar? YES Is it plagiarism? NO Why not, it looks and reads like someone else's material? Because in the case of a cook-book recipe like the above where certain steps are involved, must be accomplished in a certain order, they will _always_ look like someone else's cookbook recipe to do exactly the same thing, copied or not. Precisely. [le chop] Fiction is a lot easier to prove plagiarism than technical writing. (Just how many ways are there to screw in a light bulb?) You just need to say in good conscience that you did not copy someone else's work. And, when in doubt, identify your source. Kurt -- You have a deep interest in all that is artistic. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: (day three) - your opinion on the new design needed
On Thursday 04 April 2002 12:11, Net Llama wrote: Why not? Is there really a difference between the 'new' english version of the front page, and the 'old' french version? I think this is key, especially if Patrick finds it to be important enough to mention. actually, now that I think about it.. the content is almost exactly the same. the markup is different. I'll look into it over the weekend. -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://www.linux-sxs.org and http://jobs.linux-sxs.org When going on vacation, be sure to leave cans of dog food and a can opener where your dog can easily reach them. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: (day three) - your opinion on the new design needed
patrick Kapturkiewicz spewed electrons into the ether that assembled into: Hi, Sorry, I know it's not constructive but I've found this new site very pretty. but, that is constructive! it's one more opinion on whether we should continue with this design or now. Shall we have to start translation again ? I'm not sure. Perhaps the translators can take their existing content and simply fit it into the new page layout. Actually, this shouldn't be too difficult to do. Can we see the first page translated ? probably not until we take the design live. I'd hate to see a translator have to re-work the translation multiple times. -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://www.linux-sxs.org and http://jobs.linux-sxs.org panic(IRQ, you lose...); 2.2.16 /usr/src/linux/arch/mips/sgi/kernel/indy_int.c ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: (day three) - your opinion on the new design needed
Douglas J Hunley spewed electrons into the ether that assembled into: continue with this design or now. doh! s/now/not -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://www.linux-sxs.org and http://jobs.linux-sxs.org printk(CPU[|d]: Giving pardon to imprisoned penguins\n, smp_processor_id()); 2.4.8 arch/sparc64/kernel/smp.c ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT (day three) - your opinion on the new design needed
patrick Kapturkiewicz spewed electrons into the ether that assembled into: Freudian slip ? fat fingers and a slow remote connection -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://www.linux-sxs.org and http://jobs.linux-sxs.org printk(CPU[|d]: Giving pardon to imprisoned penguins\n, smp_processor_id()); 2.4.8 arch/sparc64/kernel/smp.c ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: (day three) - your opinion on the new design needed
On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 22:43:17 -0500 begin Marvin Dickens [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: [snip] But then again, what do I know...?... Kurt and David B. are better equipped than I am at this sort of thing. OK, straight off the top of my head for creating a filesystem: 1. use fdisk (or cfdisk) to create partitions on your drive. 2. use mke2fs (for ext2), mke2fs -j (for ext3), mkreiserfs (for reiserfs) on the newly created partition (for example /dev/hdb1) to format it 3. create a mountpoint for the partition using mkdir 4. mount the partition (mount /dev/hdxx /new/mountpoint) The above is straight from my head. No reference (in years) to any material, I just remember how to do it. Could you look around and find something that looks similar? YES Is it plagiarism? NO Why not, it looks and reads like someone else's material? Because in the case of a cook-book recipe like the above where certain steps are involved, must be accomplished in a certain order, they will _always_ look like someone else's cookbook recipe to do exactly the same thing, copied or not. So in this case, plagiarism would be difficult if not impossible to prove as long as the _exact_ same words, punctuation, mispellings, aren't used. Although the below is plagarised from the above (because I'm reading and rewording slightly), it would not convince a judge: 1. create a partition with fdisk 2. format the partition with mke2fs -j 3. create a mountpoint with mkdir 4. mount the filesystem with mount But is there another way to do it? No (at least not correctly). Have I been to court? No. But I have discussed this with legal counsel. Why? I write one book for one author. I write another book with some chapters that cover some of the same material for another author. Can I copy from one book to another? NO! By rewriting the same material, am I plagiarising myself? Perhaps. The two texts can read substantially the same, but cannot be identical. If any two paragraphs from the two books are exactly the same, I could be open to a lawsuit. A pattern of several paragraphs that are identically worded would almost certainly net me major problems. Fiction is a lot easier to prove plagiarism than technical writing. (Just how many ways are there to screw in a light bulb?) You just need to say in good conscience that you did not copy someone else's work. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: (day three) - your opinion on the new design needed
On Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:11:02 -0800 (PST) Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: patrick Kapturkiewicz spewed electrons into the ether that assembled into: Can we see the first page translated ? probably not until we take the design live. I'd hate to see a translator have to re-work the translation multiple times. Why not? Is there really a difference between the 'new' english version of the front page, and the 'old' french version? Too bad the new design was not in a content management system so that content could be divorced from layout. Makes language translation much easier to maintain. My Zope suggestion got mild (at best) reception. Oh well... I do like the new layout. -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
(day three) - your opinion on the new design needed
Today's cut of the face is up at http://hunley.homeip.net/sxs/ for further review. Issues addresses this time around: 1. alt text for all images 2. welcome to reworded properly 3. submit link now displays the submissions agreement 4. submissions agreement now lists the submissions address 5. all images now have width and height tags 6. the first sub-categories are now starting to show up. comments appreciated (text, and world wide web were first) -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://www.linux-sxs.org and http://jobs.linux-sxs.org There is no substitute for good manners, except, perhaps, fast reflexes. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: (day three) - your opinion on the new design needed
submission agreement? is it really necessary? adults... :) -- May the Force and Farce be with Linux and you. Join the kids in http://www.linux-sxs.org news://news.hkpcug.org ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: (day three) - your opinion on the new design needed
Scribbling feverishly on April 03, toylet.linux[¤pª±·N] managed to emit: submission agreement? is it really necessary? adults... :) Yes, it is really necessary. It is there to protect both the SxS as a whole and individual submitters. Kurt -- Your present plans will be successful. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: (day three) - your opinion on the new design needed
I didn't even know whether I was a copycat when I submit a sxs. Think about it: we aren't writing a PhD thesis here... Maybe the rules should just be: a clear bibliography of all sources of informaton that made the article possible The last thing the SxS needs is a copyright infringement lawsuit because someone wanted a bit of fame by submitting steps that were not their own. The agreement absolves the SxS of responsibility should the submission be an illegal one. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: (day three) - your opinion on the new design needed
Well, was wondering if there is a way to maybe expand, of course without java and the likes, the menu bar folders with the subcategories below them... more like a file manager.. if java is the only way (that I know of., but Im no great webmaster either) then I would't bother with it. On Wednesday 03 April 2002 08:18, you were heard blurting out: Today's cut of the face is up at http://hunley.homeip.net/sxs/ for further review. Issues addresses this time around: 1. alt text for all images 2. welcome to reworded properly 3. submit link now displays the submissions agreement 4. submissions agreement now lists the submissions address 5. all images now have width and height tags 6. the first sub-categories are now starting to show up. comments appreciated (text, and world wide web were first) -- Bill Day Linux for Windows Addicts: A Twelve Step Program for Habitual Windows Users. ISBN: 0072130814 Get it cause Ol' Billy Gates don't want you too! 7:30pm up 8 days, 4 min, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: (day three) - your opinion on the new design needed
Bot quite. You may be writing every word with your own hands, but deep inside your brain, your are merely reproducing sub-consciously a page from a book you read a few hours ago. Isn't that plagarism? Net Llama wrote: This really isn't a difficult concept. Either you wrote your submission yourself, or you copied it in bulk from someone else. I didn't even know whether I was a copycat when I submit a sxs. Think about it: we aren't writing a PhD thesis here... ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: (day three) - your opinion on the new design needed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, One thing I forgot the other day: please use BGCOLOR='#FF' in *ALL* BODY tags. My default color is not white and half the pages the pages have my bg color instead of white as they should. Now it's looking great. Good job! On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 08:18:01 -0500, Douglas J Hunley wrote: Today's cut of the face is up at http://hunley.homeip.net/sxs/ for further review. Issues addresses this time around: 1. alt text for all images 2. welcome to reworded properly 3. submit link now displays the submissions agreement 4. submissions agreement now lists the submissions address 5. all images now have width and height tags 6. the first sub-categories are now starting to show up. comments appreciated (text, and world wide web were first) -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://www.linux-sxs.org and http://jobs.linux-sxs.org There is no substitute for good manners, except, perhaps, fast reflexes. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. Federico Voges Socio gerente Intrasoft Malabia 2137 14 A (1425) Buenos Aires Argentina Te/Fax: 54-11-4833-5182 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.intrasoft.com.ar PGP Public Key Fingerprint: A536 4595 EB6F D197 FBC1 5C3A 145C 2516 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPKvJTxRcJRaVKt4XEQLiJACg1eDx4bzj2t/FMokbHIgOgC5lilMAniWi VpXBv+jbipq6PTZR+QnrS1uU =b+jD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: (day three) - your opinion on the new design needed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, It can be done with JavaScript, but, if your browser doesn't support JS (or it's turned off), you'll see all the subcategories expanded (just have a look at phpMyAdmin). On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 20:28:31 -0500, Bill Day wrote: Well, was wondering if there is a way to maybe expand, of course without java and the likes, the menu bar folders with the subcategories below them... more like a file manager.. if java is the only way (that I know of., but Im no great webmaster either) then I would't bother with it. On Wednesday 03 April 2002 08:18, you were heard blurting out: Today's cut of the face is up at http://hunley.homeip.net/sxs/ for further review. Issues addresses this time around: 1. alt text for all images 2. welcome to reworded properly 3. submit link now displays the submissions agreement 4. submissions agreement now lists the submissions address 5. all images now have width and height tags 6. the first sub-categories are now starting to show up. comments appreciated (text, and world wide web were first) -- Bill Day Linux for Windows Addicts: A Twelve Step Program for Habitual Windows Users. ISBN: 0072130814 Get it cause Ol' Billy Gates don't want you too! 7:30pm up 8 days, 4 min, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. Federico Voges Socio gerente Intrasoft Malabia 2137 14 A (1425) Buenos Aires Argentina Te/Fax: 54-11-4833-5182 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.intrasoft.com.ar PGP Public Key Fingerprint: A536 4595 EB6F D197 FBC1 5C3A 145C 2516 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPKvKKhRcJRaVKt4XEQKQqQCgrRzEcnKMmG/WZA1vHWkXHTFnzVIAn1ZD XR/XCBp/9Bu0JqDfECTW1ekF =uBpc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
