Re: Java IDEs

2001-09-10 Thread David Aikema

On September 10, 2001 04:17 am, Mike Andrew wrote:

> > Has anyone got any recommendations on an IDE?  For the most part I prefer
> > to use IDEs when coding... but should I fail to find anything using an
> > editor window and a konsole or two should do the trick.
>
> well I'll sound like a cracked record here, but code crusader, on the SxS
> site, is a preliminary way to go. It understands java coding but doesn't
> mess with you too much. As a general purpose coding ide (fortran/ c c++ and
> beans) it truthfully can't be beaten. It is (or was) a freebie version of
> metroworks code-warrior.

Ok. I'll have to give it a shot... if I can download the entire thing 
seems to like freezing up after the first meg or so of downloading.  (Hmn... 
I wonder if something's up with Shaw as I also had problems with accessing 
the NetRexx site the other day)

I noticed that the program lists ctags 5 as a requirement.  Ew3.1 has 
exuberent ctags 3.5.1 with it.  As it seems unlikely that Caldera would be 
TWO major versions behind, would they mean 3.5 when they state 5?

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Re: Java IDEs

2001-09-10 Thread Mike Andrew

On Sunday 09 September 2001 19:38, David Aikema wrote:

> I gave Borland's JBuilder 5 Personal a whirl but found it was slow as
> molasses and there were also problems with window sizing, something that
> made the application unusable.

this is an endemic to wine-anything. (s)wine cannot determine the actual 
screen size used because the feedback it requires isn't there from the X 
server. I don't know more than that, only that I can now pick *any* wine 
emulated program simply by loooking at it's screen. I *think* the problem is 
related to wine relying on the (now out of favour) x-motif widget set.

The problem is such a biggie for me, that I just dont use wine, period.

> Has anyone got any recommendations on an IDE?  For the most part I prefer
> to use IDEs when coding... but should I fail to find anything using an
> editor window and a konsole or two should do the trick.

well I'll sound like a cracked record here, but code crusader, on the SxS 
site, is a preliminary way to go. It understands java coding but doesn't mess 
with you too much. As a general purpose coding ide (fortran/ c c++ and beans) 
it truthfully can't be beaten. It is (or was) a freebie version of metroworks 
code-warrior.


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Re: Java IDEs

2001-09-10 Thread Jerry McBride

On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 03:28:59 + Chris Kassopulo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


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> > Visit www2.hursley.ibm.com/netrexx for the latest version.
> > 
> 
> From the NETREXX news column:
> 
> "The latest version of the jedit editor includes Jerry McBride's
> NetRexx syntax highlighting."
> [6 Aug 2000]
> 
> One and the same Jerry McBride?
> 

Damn! You found me!

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Re: Java IDEs

2001-09-09 Thread Chris Kassopulo

On Sun, 9 Sep 2001 05:32:40 -0400
Jerry McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:06:01 -0500 Rick Sivernell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Text editor & 
> > konsole is my recommendation for learning Java.
> >
> 
> That's a combo you can't beat... Now... if you're willing to add in netrexx...
> you can
> keep the compiler loaded in memory and recompiles occur almost instantly... not
> like
> the slow-as-molasses-in-january javac or jikes. Netrexx... is much more
> friendly
> anyways.
> 
> Visit www2.hursley.ibm.com/netrexx for the latest version.
> 

>From the NETREXX news column:

"The latest version of the jedit editor includes Jerry McBride's
NetRexx syntax highlighting."
[6 Aug 2000]

One and the same Jerry McBride?

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Re: Java IDEs

2001-09-09 Thread David Aikema

On September 9, 2001 02:32 am, Jerry McBride wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:06:01 -0500 Rick Sivernell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Text editor &
> > konsole is my recommendation for learning Java.
>
> That's a combo you can't beat... Now... if you're willing to add in
> netrexx... you can
> keep the compiler loaded in memory and recompiles occur almost instantly...
> not like
> the slow-as-molasses-in-january javac or jikes. Netrexx... is much more
> friendly
> anyways.
>
> Visit www2.hursley.ibm.com/netrexx for the latest version.

For some reason I am currently unable to access the site.  I was able to 
access the front page in Opera but then the site stopped responding and I 
have been unable to access the it since.

I think I'll probably have to go with what you and Rick suggested.  I must 
admit that Netrexx sounds very intriguing although I probably won't be 
dealing with very large programs.

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Re: Java IDEs

2001-09-09 Thread Jerry McBride

On Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:06:01 -0500 Rick Sivernell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Text editor & 
> konsole is my recommendation for learning Java.
>

That's a combo you can't beat... Now... if you're willing to add in netrexx...
you can
keep the compiler loaded in memory and recompiles occur almost instantly... not
like
the slow-as-molasses-in-january javac or jikes. Netrexx... is much more
friendly
anyways.

Visit www2.hursley.ibm.com/netrexx for the latest version.

 
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Re: Java IDEs

2001-09-09 Thread Rick Sivernell

On Sunday 09 September 2001 03:08 am, you wrote:
> I'm currently taking a course which involves some Java programming and, as
> such, I am looking for an IDE which I can use.  I took a look at the Java
> section of the SxS and found that it focused on VMs as opposed to IDEs.
> VisualAge for Java is listed but it doesn't appear to be what I'm looking
> for sounds more that a VB equiv in Java than anything.  KDevelop and
> the Kompany's KDE Studio don't support Java so they aren't really options.
>
> I gave Borland's JBuilder 5 Personal a whirl but found it was slow as
> molasses and there were also problems with window sizing, something that
> made the application unusable.
>
> Has anyone got any recommendations on an IDE?  For the most part I prefer
> to use IDEs when coding... but should I fail to find anything using an
> editor window and a konsole or two should do the trick.
>
> David Aikema
>
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David

  I know what you mean. there is code guide but it is several hundred 
dollars. other thanthat there doe not seem to be anything out there. I just 
started using kwrite and a kconsole. Java is so un freindly and you have to 
do all work by hand anyway. If you do find a IDE, it hides the stuff you need 
to see from you and you do not get much from it.. If you use windows there is 
Textpad 32 which allows you to do it in a multi window and the compile and 
run java. They are just now thinking of doing it in linux. Text editor & 
konsole is my recommendation for learning Java.

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Java IDEs

2001-09-09 Thread David Aikema

I'm currently taking a course which involves some Java programming and, as 
such, I am looking for an IDE which I can use.  I took a look at the Java 
section of the SxS and found that it focused on VMs as opposed to IDEs.  
VisualAge for Java is listed but it doesn't appear to be what I'm looking 
for sounds more that a VB equiv in Java than anything.  KDevelop and the 
Kompany's KDE Studio don't support Java so they aren't really options.

I gave Borland's JBuilder 5 Personal a whirl but found it was slow as 
molasses and there were also problems with window sizing, something that made 
the application unusable.

Has anyone got any recommendations on an IDE?  For the most part I prefer to 
use IDEs when coding... but should I fail to find anything using an editor 
window and a konsole or two should do the trick.

David Aikema

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