Re: [Linux-users] Time to change email

[Wesley Parish]

I'm seriously considering Proton. And if I can make my bank see reason, I might 
also consider Posteo. 
They sound very impressive.

Wesley Parish

Quoting Volker Kuhlmann :

> On Fri 15 Sep 2017 21:17:46 NZST +1200, Chris Hellyar wrote:
> 
> > Do not purchase the domain through the ISP who hosts the email, so
> when
> > you decide you don't like the ISP you can go elsewhere and easily
> take
> > your address(es) with you.
> 
> That probably applies to overseas, but to NZ as well? I have the
> understanding that NZ registrars are forbidden to hold domain
> registrations to ransom because of disagreements over hosting bills
> etc.
> 
> My issue with NZ mailbox providers is that they don't make it clear int
> he headers to which mailbox alias an email was delivered.
> 
> > Personally I use Rackspace, in the USA
> 
> OK. I'd still much prefer NZ hosting, however it seems a bit like it's
> going the way of the USA fast.
> Does anyone use European hosting?
> 
> Volker
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Re: [Linux-users] Time to change email

[Volker Kuhlmann]

On Fri 15 Sep 2017 21:17:46 NZST +1200, Chris Hellyar wrote:

> Do not purchase the domain through the ISP who hosts the email, so when
> you decide you don't like the ISP you can go elsewhere and easily take
> your address(es) with you.

That probably applies to overseas, but to NZ as well? I have the
understanding that NZ registrars are forbidden to hold domain
registrations to ransom because of disagreements over hosting bills etc.

My issue with NZ mailbox providers is that they don't make it clear int
he headers to which mailbox alias an email was delivered.

> Personally I use Rackspace, in the USA

OK. I'd still much prefer NZ hosting, however it seems a bit like it's
going the way of the USA fast.
Does anyone use European hosting?

Volker

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Re: [Linux-users] Time to change email

[steve]

Hmm... some of you might know I spent about 5 years fighting 
spam.Probably the most soul destroying job known to man. You can check 
out any time you want...


As you're on this list, I assume you have at least a passing interest in 
tinkering with linux. So with that in mind, I would find myself a cheap 
and cheerful hosting provider, and rent a virtual server off them. Then 
set yourself up on it.


The upside: hours of endless fun, and the download speeds in serverland 
are truly impressive.


The downside: mail delivery is largely reputation based, and you will 
start off with a lot of your stuff being delivered to spam. You'll have 
to find out how to set up exciting things like SPF, DKIM, and maybe even 
DMARC, and spam filtering. And you really need to understand what these 
services to to use them effectively ( I recently responded to a rant by 
a prominent local IT 'guru' about the difference between the SPF ~all 
and -all and why the former wasn't a complete waste of time for example ).


It will not be as cheap as commercial services, and it will let through 
far more spam than the gmails of this world. Once working though, the 
site will be pretty reliable: set up backups and use IMAP clients and 
you've got a far better DR solution than VF ever offered in the first 
place ). And of course, there are many uses for a VPN to a server in the 
USA for example...


HTH,

Steve

On 15/09/17 21:17, Chris Hellyar wrote:

My 2c...

Buy your own domain, pay for commercial email hosting with a provider
you feel you can trust.

Do not purchase the domain through the ISP who hosts the email, so when
you decide you don't like the ISP you can go elsewhere and easily take
your address(es) with you.

Agree totally with what Volker said: "declaring their personal worth as
$0.00 with gmail post vodafail."

Personally I use Rackspace, in the USA, and I use no free email accounts
for email I care about.  Not cheap, but excellent service etc.

Cheers, Chris H.

On 15/09/17 18:25, Steven Sykes wrote:

Hey everyone,

I'm sure you've seen the news Vodafone is dropping their email service
so I'm in the market for another hosting solution and I'm curious
about what other people are using.

Having a quick rummage about the place and Lavabit, ProtonMail,
Fastmail seem like interesting contenders. A 5GB inbox at least would
be good.

I don't want to use Gmail or Lookout (or is it spelt OutLook? :)). The
idea of having bots trawling through my email is unsettling. In some
respects, one might as well use Gmail as sooner or later you'll end up
communicating with other Gmail users and having your email scrutinised.

Or is my logic flawed?

Cheers,



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Re: [Linux-users] Time to change email

[Chris Hellyar]

My 2c...

Buy your own domain, pay for commercial email hosting with a provider
you feel you can trust.

Do not purchase the domain through the ISP who hosts the email, so when
you decide you don't like the ISP you can go elsewhere and easily take
your address(es) with you.

Agree totally with what Volker said: "declaring their personal worth as
$0.00 with gmail post vodafail."

Personally I use Rackspace, in the USA, and I use no free email accounts
for email I care about.  Not cheap, but excellent service etc. 

Cheers, Chris H.

On 15/09/17 18:25, Steven Sykes wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> I'm sure you've seen the news Vodafone is dropping their email service
> so I'm in the market for another hosting solution and I'm curious
> about what other people are using.
>
> Having a quick rummage about the place and Lavabit, ProtonMail,
> Fastmail seem like interesting contenders. A 5GB inbox at least would
> be good.
>
> I don't want to use Gmail or Lookout (or is it spelt OutLook? :)). The
> idea of having bots trawling through my email is unsettling. In some
> respects, one might as well use Gmail as sooner or later you'll end up
> communicating with other Gmail users and having your email scrutinised.
>
> Or is my logic flawed?
>
> Cheers,
>


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Re: [Linux-users] Time to change email

[Volker Kuhlmann]

On Fri 15 Sep 2017 18:25:23 NZST +1200, Steven Sykes wrote:

> I'm sure you've seen the news Vodafone is dropping their email
> service

Yes, I was notified to, along the lines of "we are a large multinational
Internet company and we are too gawwwdamn dumb to run a mailserver".
Yikes.

> Having a quick rummage about the place and Lavabit, ProtonMail,
> Fastmail seem like interesting contenders. A 5GB inbox at least
> would be good.

I can't remember where each of them is located, but if you really care,
any provider under USA jurisdiction is out of the question.

I suggest you look at Posteo (http://posteo.nz/) first (or any other TLD
of them you prefer, like posteo.net).
https://posteo.de/en/signup

They're doing everything right:

* Top-notch privacy. They don't keep log files, they don't have to. They
don't ask for your name, they're not obliged to. Payment info is deleted
as soon as they know what mailbox it's for. If you don't like that,
walk into their office, tip a bucket full of cash onto the counter, say
"this mailbox" and walk out. They don't care. They don't have to!

* Top-notch(!!!) encryption, based on public standards only. (They
screwed up all of Europe's email industry's encryption plans for
propritory crapola. Funny to watch at the time...) You won't find any
company offering something better. They were the first to enforce strong
ciphers (dumb old PC? connection failed...)

* They only use FOSS. I understand all their sources are for download.

* They employ lawyers to protect their customers. It's hilarious to read
their transparency reports. (Cops: "Hand us this data". Posteo: "You
are too dumb to write a formally correct request. FXXX OFF.")

* Pretty good value. Green energy data centre yadda yadda if you care.
It was founded by a couple who aren't in it for the money, but for the
principle. Steeply accelerated growth since Snowden...

There aren't enough companies like that, they deserve support.

> Or is my logic flawed?

No!!! Everyone else's logic is flawed! You're the first I come across
who isn't publicly declaring their personal worth as $0.00 with gmail
post vodafail...

Volker

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[Linux-users] Time to change email

[Steven Sykes]

Hey everyone,

I'm sure you've seen the news Vodafone is dropping their email service 
so I'm in the market for another hosting solution and I'm curious about 
what other people are using.


Having a quick rummage about the place and Lavabit, ProtonMail, Fastmail 
seem like interesting contenders. A 5GB inbox at least would be good.


I don't want to use Gmail or Lookout (or is it spelt OutLook? :)). The 
idea of having bots trawling through my email is unsettling. In some 
respects, one might as well use Gmail as sooner or later you'll end up 
communicating with other Gmail users and having your email scrutinised.


Or is my logic flawed?

Cheers,

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steven.sy...@canterbury.ac.nz   University of Canterbury
+64 3 364-2987 ext 8260
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