Re: [Linux-users] Thunderbird portable, getting rid of header info

2016-12-20 Thread dave lilley 
Around the 7th I got a reply from card services (had a card
passport card) requesting they remove me from their db, got
a reply saying they have, just login after couple of weeks
not checking emails to see 2 further emails grrr.

Just emailed original sender a email grumbling, then went to
internal affairs and emailed the anti spam depth a copy of
the original request to stop and the reply to ask them to
put pressure on Mastercard to do what was asked by myself.

When I hear back i'll let ya'll know

Maybe a pointless exercise but.

Chrs 


- Original Message Follows -
> On Wed 14 Dec 2016 22:29:36 NZDT +1300, Peter Simmonds
> wrote:
> 
> > Trademe
> > Green Party "Greenweek"
> > VM ware symposium or whatever
> > AA deals that don't actually work...
> > 
> > Neither one of these ba$t@rds give any option (that
> > work) of opting out of this spam!
> 
> That's the perfect reason why you need a gazillion email
> addresses. Or at least one for each half dozen max online
> shops, and anpther one for each bigger thing. Basically,
> you want to be in a position to change/delete any address
> at any time without loosing anything you care about. I'm
> routinely getting spammed suddenly twice a week after
> years of silence because I ordered a PC part there once.
> When I tell them to stop it (no need to be friendly) the
> sh*ts tell me about their new website 2 years later... and
> take that as an opportunity to start it up again... Secret
> email address for online banking is the number 1 phishing
> protection (unless you're clueless on Microsoft or Android
> and get your address book swiped all the time).
> 
> You have one gmail for absolutely everything? Why not let
> google track you every single email of the way and allow
> everone else to link you into everything you do...?
> 
> Thunderbird has native (no plugin) filter tools that allow
> you to match emails and take certain actions. I advise you
> to never delete, but move into a separate folder. You will
> get your filters wrong... And some actions plain don't
> work, like forward with attachments included if you set
> download-attachment-on-demand. Been buggy for 7 years.
> 
> The downside of getting too carried away with TB filtering
> is that you then become dependent on TB. You can still
> only access your email from one client place. That's why I
> prefer to do my filtering with procmail, which is far more
> elaborate and capable than any mail client, and then I can
> choose which MUA I want to use and not create a
> dependency. All MUAs suck so flexibility trumps. procmail
> has been stable for 20+ years, or try maildrop. Do save a
> copy of all incoming email into a folder named year-month,
> even when you think you have your filters right, you'd be
> surprised what use you find for it, but you can't do that
> with TB.
> 
> Other methods include phoning AA 0800, explaining why
> you've had enough, threatening a few complaints to xyz and
> making it crystal clear that you do not ever wish to get
> spammed again. Or collect evidence and make a formal
> complaint to the watchdog if you can be bothered. In my
> experience only talking to them fixes it. I used to tell
> them yearly I don't want their newsshit, they got it, and
> with every membership renewal it was back to newsshit.
> That's a deliberate system design!! With NZ businesses I
> adopted a policy of emailing them friendly once, and
> afterwards letting rip in a rude way with whatever means
> available - I've damn well had enough. They do tend to get
> the point after that. If I give them a bad day then they
> should have put the legally required procedures into place
> earlier. No sympathies.
> 
> Surely the Greens have a no-spam party policy?
> Faceplanting that they don't follow it themselves might
> get some interesting entertainment...
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Volker
> 
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Re: [Linux-users] Thunderbird portable, getting rid of header info

2016-12-15 Thread Peter Simmonds 

Hi Volker and others,

Great advice thanks. Though in the early stages of the battle, feeling 
confident now.


Cooments on your post follow;


On 15/12/2016 8:23 a.m., Volker Kuhlmann wrote:

On Wed 14 Dec 2016 22:29:36 NZDT +1300, Peter Simmonds wrote:


Trademe
Green Party "Greenweek"
VM ware symposium or whatever
AA deals that don't actually work...

Neither one of these ba$t@rds give any option (that work) of opting
out of this spam!

That's the perfect reason why you need a gazillion email addresses. Or
at least one for each half dozen max online shops, and anpther one for
each bigger thing. Basically, you want to be in a position to
change/delete any address at any time without loosing anything you care
about. I'm routinely getting spammed suddenly twice a week after years
of silence because I ordered a PC part there once. When I tell them to
stop it (no need to be friendly) the sh*ts tell me about their new
website 2 years later... and take that as an opportunity to start it up
again... Secret email address for online banking is the number 1
phishing protection (unless you're clueless on Microsoft or Android and
get your address book swiped all the time).


Have been clued ever since I had an email address: 
linux_m...@inet.co.nz. About 200 emails a day. Same with 
linux_m...@clear.net and eventually linux_m...@inet.co.nz. I was only a 
stupid teenager at the time, and kept an utterly ludicrous email for 
that long.


Then it was more convenient to use institutional internet access with 
various webmail providers such as go.com and yahoo.com. That was when 
the spam quantity dropped from about 200 to 20 per day, so there was 
obviously some new impediment to unsolicited email.


You have one gmail for absolutely everything? Why not let google track
you every single email of the way and allow everone else to link you
into everything you do...?
Yes I do, and have had very little trouble with spam from gmail. They 
even advertise the fact that they are antispam. The cr@p that I do 
recieve is usually targetted spam from companies I deal with such as 
trademe. What happens is that when you enter the same catchy search you 
did on ebay on trademe, they spam you weekly with items matching this 
search! What a bunch of misopportunist morons!


Thunderbird has native (no plugin) filter tools that allow you to match
emails and take certain actions. I advise you to never delete, but move
into a separate folder. You will get your filters wrong... And some
actions plain don't work, like forward with attachments included if you
set download-attachment-on-demand. Been buggy for 7 years.

The downside of getting too carried away with TB filtering is that you
then become dependent on TB. You can still only access your email from
one client place. That's why I prefer to do my filtering with procmail,
which is far more elaborate and capable than any mail client, and then I
can choose which MUA I want to use and not create a dependency. All MUAs
suck so flexibility trumps. procmail has been stable for 20+ years, or
try maildrop. Do save a copy of all incoming email into a folder named
year-month, even when you think you have your filters right, you'd be
surprised what use you find for it, but you can't do that with TB.
Portable thunderbird solves this problem quite nicely! Along with other 
portableapps it makes commandeering a new computer whether a work 
computer or some piece of junk off the street, you can very quickly 
become productive with it as long as the usb ports are active. The true 
beauty of this platform, is that, all of them seem to be fully 
compatible with linux and WINE to the point that it is actually more 
reliable running w32 apps on linux simply because they are more stable 
than the native linux applications of the same type!


Other methods include phoning AA 0800, explaining why you've had enough,
threatening a few complaints to xyz and making it crystal clear that you
do not ever wish to get spammed again. Or collect evidence and make a
formal complaint to the watchdog if you can be bothered. In my
experience only talking to them fixes it. I used to tell them yearly I
don't want their newsshit, they got it, and with every membership
renewal it was back to newsshit. That's a deliberate system design!!
With NZ businesses I adopted a policy of emailing them friendly once,
and afterwards letting rip in a rude way with whatever means available -
I've damn well had enough. They do tend to get the point after that. If
I give them a bad day then they should have put the legally required
procedures into place earlier. No sympathies.

Surely the Greens have a no-spam party policy? Faceplanting that they
don't follow it themselves might get some interesting entertainment...
I sent an email back to Metur?? Turie?? with a cold, concise message 
asking to be removed from the list. No spam yet though it's only one 
day. Good thing about MP's is they tend to read their emails! Remaining 
issue is that

Re: [Linux-users] Thunderbird portable, getting rid of header info

2016-12-14 Thread Hadley Rich 

On 15/12/16 14:26, Nick Rout wrote:

I am an AA member and every email from them has an unsubscribe button.


I would hazard a guess that Trade Me and the Green Party also have 
working unsubscribe functionality. Any NZ organisation which doesn't is 
breaking the Anti-Spam law and should be made aware of it.


https://www.dia.govt.nz/Services-Anti-Spam-Index

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Re: [Linux-users] Thunderbird portable, getting rid of header info

2016-12-14 Thread Nick Rout 
On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Peter Simmonds  wrote:

> Hi Eliot & Others,
>
> Cheers for the firefox addon, it works a treat!
>
> Another question arises though, Mostly thunderbird thinks the message is
> junk, and I usually agree (+another line on the display). Any
> recommendation on an add on that could delete emails based on a text string
> in either the subject or sender details?
>
> Common examples include:
>
> Trademe "Were inspired by your search for..." (I'm up to 4 weekly spams
> for this now)
>
> Green Party "Greenweek"
>
> VM ware symposium or whatever
>
> AA deals that don't actually work...
>
>
> Neither one of these ba$t@rds give any option (that work) of opting out
> of this spam!
>

I am an AA member and every email from them has an unsubscribe button.


> Cheers,
>
> Peter
>
> On 25/10/2016 10:31 p.m., Eliot Blennerhassett wrote:
>
> On 25/10/16 20:34, Chris Hellyar wrote:
>
> View - Headers - Normal ?
>
> Looks like it.
>
> If you want to save a little more space, try installing the
> CompactHeaders addon:
> https://addons.mozilla.org/de/thunderbird/addon/compactheader/
>
> It collapses the header to a single line, with a [+] that expands the
> headers when clicked.
>
> image attached,..
>
>
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Re: [Linux-users] Thunderbird portable, getting rid of header info

2016-12-14 Thread Volker Kuhlmann 
On Wed 14 Dec 2016 22:29:36 NZDT +1300, Peter Simmonds wrote:

> Trademe
> Green Party "Greenweek"
> VM ware symposium or whatever
> AA deals that don't actually work...
> 
> Neither one of these ba$t@rds give any option (that work) of opting
> out of this spam!

That's the perfect reason why you need a gazillion email addresses. Or
at least one for each half dozen max online shops, and anpther one for
each bigger thing. Basically, you want to be in a position to
change/delete any address at any time without loosing anything you care
about. I'm routinely getting spammed suddenly twice a week after years
of silence because I ordered a PC part there once. When I tell them to
stop it (no need to be friendly) the sh*ts tell me about their new
website 2 years later... and take that as an opportunity to start it up
again... Secret email address for online banking is the number 1
phishing protection (unless you're clueless on Microsoft or Android and
get your address book swiped all the time).

You have one gmail for absolutely everything? Why not let google track
you every single email of the way and allow everone else to link you
into everything you do...?

Thunderbird has native (no plugin) filter tools that allow you to match
emails and take certain actions. I advise you to never delete, but move
into a separate folder. You will get your filters wrong... And some
actions plain don't work, like forward with attachments included if you
set download-attachment-on-demand. Been buggy for 7 years.

The downside of getting too carried away with TB filtering is that you
then become dependent on TB. You can still only access your email from
one client place. That's why I prefer to do my filtering with procmail,
which is far more elaborate and capable than any mail client, and then I
can choose which MUA I want to use and not create a dependency. All MUAs
suck so flexibility trumps. procmail has been stable for 20+ years, or
try maildrop. Do save a copy of all incoming email into a folder named
year-month, even when you think you have your filters right, you'd be
surprised what use you find for it, but you can't do that with TB.

Other methods include phoning AA 0800, explaining why you've had enough,
threatening a few complaints to xyz and making it crystal clear that you
do not ever wish to get spammed again. Or collect evidence and make a
formal complaint to the watchdog if you can be bothered. In my
experience only talking to them fixes it. I used to tell them yearly I
don't want their newsshit, they got it, and with every membership
renewal it was back to newsshit. That's a deliberate system design!!
With NZ businesses I adopted a policy of emailing them friendly once,
and afterwards letting rip in a rude way with whatever means available -
I've damn well had enough. They do tend to get the point after that. If
I give them a bad day then they should have put the legally required
procedures into place earlier. No sympathies.

Surely the Greens have a no-spam party policy? Faceplanting that they
don't follow it themselves might get some interesting entertainment...

HTH,

Volker

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Re: [Linux-users] Thunderbird portable, getting rid of header info

2016-12-14 Thread Peter Simmonds 

Hi Eliot & Others,

Cheers for the firefox addon, it works a treat!

Another question arises though, Mostly thunderbird thinks the message is 
junk, and I usually agree (+another line on the display). Any 
recommendation on an add on that could delete emails based on a text 
string in either the subject or sender details?


Common examples include:

Trademe "Were inspired by your search for..." (I'm up to 4 weekly spams 
for this now)


Green Party "Greenweek"

VM ware symposium or whatever

AA deals that don't actually work...


Neither one of these ba$t@rds give any option (that work) of opting out 
of this spam!


Cheers,

Peter


On 25/10/2016 10:31 p.m., Eliot Blennerhassett wrote:

On 25/10/16 20:34, Chris Hellyar wrote:

View - Headers - Normal ?

Looks like it.

If you want to save a little more space, try installing the
CompactHeaders addon:

https://addons.mozilla.org/de/thunderbird/addon/compactheader/

It collapses the header to a single line, with a [+] that expands the
headers when clicked.

image attached,..


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Re: [Linux-users] Thunderbird portable, getting rid of header info

2016-10-25 Thread Chris Hellyar 
View - Headers - Normal ?

(no gimp on this PC, so didn't check the screenshot. :-) )

On 25/10/16 20:23, Peter Simmonds wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> About last year, someone had me do some changes to my email client in
> order to track down a prostitute who was advertising her wares on this
> usergroup.
>
> How do I reverse the changes made to this (email!) client, so that the
> header is returned to normal? Reason I ask is that I am stuck with a
> laptop having limited screen real-estate, and having this panel to
> work around is a real day to day nuisance.
>
> Screenshot attached, Gimp XCF format.

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