Re: [pfSense] OT: Good network switch for 10 machines?

2014-09-25 Thread David White
The Cisco SG series is decent for semi-managed switches. I have installed a
number of the SG-200 series for various clients.

They support QoS, VLANs, etc...

If you want Layer 3 capability,  though,  I am pretty sure you need to get
a 300 or better. I know the 200s don't support it.
On Sep 24, 2014 1:28 AM, Kenward Vaughan kay_...@earthlink.net wrote:

 On 09/23/2014 12:33 PM, Kurt Buff wrote:

 BTW - forgot to make some specific recommendations - I like this switch a
 lot:
 http://www.provantage.com/hewlett-packard-hp-j9803a-aba~7HEWN2JW.htm

 Oh - don't forget to get the firmware current on anything you get...

 Kurt



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 This is a good group.

 Thank you!


 Kenward


  On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Kenward Vaughan kay_...@earthlink.net
 wrote:

 Sorry about the topic, but when I had asked a question before about
 trying
 to tie into a wireless network through a pfSense box, your answers to
 what
 turned out to be another OT question actually led our IS group to give me
 full VPN access to the outside world.  I will be putting a pfSense box on
 our end of that connection.  Thanks again for that help!

 As was apparent in that post I am pretty ignorant of networking details,
 but
 do know that sometime in the near future I will be looking for a decent
 network switch to tie 10-11 dual cpu machines together into a cluster.
 Would anyone have a thought as to a good switch for this?

 The machines will have the Intel i210 Dual Port Gigabit Ethernet
 controller,
 if that makes any difference.

 Appreciate any thoughts!  Thanks!


 Kenward
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Re: [pfSense] OT: Good network switch for 10 machines?

2014-09-25 Thread David White
PS... I have never used the Ubiquiti switches, but FWIW, I absolutely love
their wireless APs.
On Sep 25, 2014 6:35 AM, David White dwr...@gmail.com wrote:

 The Cisco SG series is decent for semi-managed switches. I have installed
 a number of the SG-200 series for various clients.

 They support QoS, VLANs, etc...

 If you want Layer 3 capability,  though,  I am pretty sure you need to get
 a 300 or better. I know the 200s don't support it.
 On Sep 24, 2014 1:28 AM, Kenward Vaughan kay_...@earthlink.net wrote:

 On 09/23/2014 12:33 PM, Kurt Buff wrote:

 BTW - forgot to make some specific recommendations - I like this switch
 a lot:
 http://www.provantage.com/hewlett-packard-hp-j9803a-aba~7HEWN2JW.htm

 Oh - don't forget to get the firmware current on anything you get...

 Kurt



 It'd be odd to list 11(+) people here, but I have a gold mine of
 information / references for this thanks to the numerous folks who spoke
 up.  I really appreciate everyone's input.

 This is a good group.

 Thank you!


 Kenward


  On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Kenward Vaughan kay_...@earthlink.net
 wrote:

 Sorry about the topic, but when I had asked a question before about
 trying
 to tie into a wireless network through a pfSense box, your answers to
 what
 turned out to be another OT question actually led our IS group to give
 me
 full VPN access to the outside world.  I will be putting a pfSense box
 on
 our end of that connection.  Thanks again for that help!

 As was apparent in that post I am pretty ignorant of networking
 details, but
 do know that sometime in the near future I will be looking for a decent
 network switch to tie 10-11 dual cpu machines together into a cluster.
 Would anyone have a thought as to a good switch for this?

 The machines will have the Intel i210 Dual Port Gigabit Ethernet
 controller,
 if that makes any difference.

 Appreciate any thoughts!  Thanks!


 Kenward
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Re: [pfSense] OT: Good network switch for 10 machines?

2014-09-25 Thread Jim Thompson
All of pfSense (ESF  Netgate, including the collocation sites) runs on a 
combination of Dell PowerEdge 5524P (PoE), 5548, and 8924F switches.

-- Jim

 On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Chris Bagnall pfse...@lists.minotaur.cc wrote:
 
 On 23/9/14 6:46 pm, RB wrote:
 I'd suggest at least a managed switch that can do LACP.
 
 This.
 
 Given how small the price difference often is between unmanaged and 
 semi-managed (aka 'smart') switches these days, it just doesn't make sense to 
 buy unmanaged any more. You never know when things like VLANs, LLDP and LACP 
 might just come in handy, and even if you never use them, a managed switch 
 will also allow you to do other interesting things like graph per-port (and 
 sometimes per-port-VLAN) usage, which can be useful for detecting misbehaving 
 network hardware elsewhere.
 
 I've
 had decent results with the Linksys/Cisco SMB switches and the ZyXel
 GS1900 range.
 
 One of our clients uses the Zyxel switches to good effect. Their 24 port PoE 
 versions are certainly competitively priced.
 
 I tend to use HP where possible. At the lower cost end of the market, 
 something like the 1810-24G (web managed) is a good bet, or move up to the 
 2510/2520 if you need more management functionality and/or a CLI. I've 
 avoided the 1910 range; AIUI they're basically rebadged 3Com units after the 
 HP/3Com buyout.
 
 Kind regards,
 
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[pfSense] OT: Good network switch for 10 machines?

2014-09-23 Thread Kenward Vaughan
Sorry about the topic, but when I had asked a question before about 
trying to tie into a wireless network through a pfSense box, your 
answers to what turned out to be another OT question actually led our IS 
group to give me full VPN access to the outside world.  I will be 
putting a pfSense box on our end of that connection.  Thanks again for 
that help!


As was apparent in that post I am pretty ignorant of networking details, 
but do know that sometime in the near future I will be looking for a 
decent network switch to tie 10-11 dual cpu machines together into a 
cluster.  Would anyone have a thought as to a good switch for this?


The machines will have the Intel i210 Dual Port Gigabit Ethernet 
controller, if that makes any difference.


Appreciate any thoughts!  Thanks!


Kenward
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Re: [pfSense] OT: Good network switch for 10 machines?

2014-09-23 Thread Moshe Katz
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Kenward Vaughan kay_...@earthlink.net
wrote:

 Sorry about the topic, but when I had asked a question before about trying
 to tie into a wireless network through a pfSense box, your answers to what
 turned out to be another OT question actually led our IS group to give me
 full VPN access to the outside world.  I will be putting a pfSense box on
 our end of that connection.  Thanks again for that help!

 As was apparent in that post I am pretty ignorant of networking details,
 but do know that sometime in the near future I will be looking for a decent
 network switch to tie 10-11 dual cpu machines together into a cluster.
 Would anyone have a thought as to a good switch for this?

 The machines will have the Intel i210 Dual Port Gigabit Ethernet
 controller, if that makes any difference.

 Appreciate any thoughts!  Thanks!


 Kenward


If you don't need to do any fancy routing or VLAN stuff, just go on Amazon
or NewEgg and get the top-rated 16-port *unmanaged* gigabit switch.

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Re: [pfSense] OT: Good network switch for 10 machines?

2014-09-23 Thread David Ross

On 9/23/14, 1:36 PM, Moshe Katz wrote:

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Kenward Vaughan kay_...@earthlink.net
mailto:kay_...@earthlink.net wrote:

Sorry about the topic, but when I had asked a question before about
trying to tie into a wireless network through a pfSense box, your
answers to what turned out to be another OT question actually led
our IS group to give me full VPN access to the outside world.  I
will be putting a pfSense box on our end of that connection.  Thanks
again for that help!

As was apparent in that post I am pretty ignorant of networking
details, but do know that sometime in the near future I will be
looking for a decent network switch to tie 10-11 dual cpu machines
together into a cluster.  Would anyone have a thought as to a good
switch for this?

The machines will have the Intel i210 Dual Port Gigabit Ethernet
controller, if that makes any difference.

If you don't need to do any fancy routing or VLAN stuff, just go on
Amazon or NewEgg and get the top-rated 16-port /unmanaged/ gigabit switch.

If you don't need fully managed I'd look for one a step up from fully 
un-managed. I'd look for one with a Web interface so you can at least 
see error rates and what MAC addresses are flowing through what ports. A 
few $$$ more but worth it every year or two.


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Re: [pfSense] OT: Good network switch for 10 machines?

2014-09-23 Thread RB
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Moshe Katz mo...@ymkatz.net wrote:
 If you don't need to do any fancy routing or VLAN stuff, just go on Amazon
 or NewEgg and get the top-rated 16-port unmanaged gigabit switch.


I would slightly disagree - note that it's a compute cluster and that
the machines have dual NIC ports.  If the cluster's application is
network-heavy or needs each host to have a highly-available network
link, I'd suggest at least a managed switch that can do LACP.  I've
had decent results with the Linksys/Cisco SMB switches and the ZyXel
GS1900 range.

If one NIC is okay, any unmanaged 16-port will do.  If dual links are
required, I'd suggest either a trio of 16s (two access and one core
that's dual-linked to the access switches) or a single 24 if
redundancy isn't a concern.
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Re: [pfSense] OT: Good network switch for 10 machines?

2014-09-23 Thread Chris Bagnall

On 23/9/14 6:46 pm, RB wrote:

I'd suggest at least a managed switch that can do LACP.


This.

Given how small the price difference often is between unmanaged and 
semi-managed (aka 'smart') switches these days, it just doesn't make 
sense to buy unmanaged any more. You never know when things like VLANs, 
LLDP and LACP might just come in handy, and even if you never use them, 
a managed switch will also allow you to do other interesting things like 
graph per-port (and sometimes per-port-VLAN) usage, which can be useful 
for detecting misbehaving network hardware elsewhere.



I've
had decent results with the Linksys/Cisco SMB switches and the ZyXel
GS1900 range.


One of our clients uses the Zyxel switches to good effect. Their 24 port 
PoE versions are certainly competitively priced.


I tend to use HP where possible. At the lower cost end of the market, 
something like the 1810-24G (web managed) is a good bet, or move up to 
the 2510/2520 if you need more management functionality and/or a CLI. 
I've avoided the 1910 range; AIUI they're basically rebadged 3Com units 
after the HP/3Com buyout.


Kind regards,

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Re: [pfSense] OT: Good network switch for 10 machines?

2014-09-23 Thread Josh Reynolds

The 1910's ARE rebranded 3com, but I found them to be very reliable.

We are having good luck with the 2530's right now.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com

On 09/23/2014 09:56 AM, Chris Bagnall wrote:

On 23/9/14 6:46 pm, RB wrote:

I'd suggest at least a managed switch that can do LACP.


This.

Given how small the price difference often is between unmanaged and 
semi-managed (aka 'smart') switches these days, it just doesn't make 
sense to buy unmanaged any more. You never know when things like 
VLANs, LLDP and LACP might just come in handy, and even if you never 
use them, a managed switch will also allow you to do other interesting 
things like graph per-port (and sometimes per-port-VLAN) usage, which 
can be useful for detecting misbehaving network hardware elsewhere.



I've
had decent results with the Linksys/Cisco SMB switches and the ZyXel
GS1900 range.


One of our clients uses the Zyxel switches to good effect. Their 24 
port PoE versions are certainly competitively priced.


I tend to use HP where possible. At the lower cost end of the market, 
something like the 1810-24G (web managed) is a good bet, or move up to 
the 2510/2520 if you need more management functionality and/or a CLI. 
I've avoided the 1910 range; AIUI they're basically rebadged 3Com 
units after the HP/3Com buyout.


Kind regards,

Chris


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Re: [pfSense] OT: Good network switch for 10 machines?

2014-09-23 Thread Adam Thompson
+1 for HP ProCurve, except for the stuff they inherited from 3Com...
I've also had reasonably good luck with Netgear and D-Link managed switches.
The Cisco SMB stuff seems OK hardware-wise, but the software is questionable.
Note that all three of these options come with lifetime, free, firmware updates.
-Adam

On September 23, 2014 12:56:00 PM CDT, Chris Bagnall 
pfse...@lists.minotaur.cc wrote:
On 23/9/14 6:46 pm, RB wrote:
 I'd suggest at least a managed switch that can do LACP.

This.

Given how small the price difference often is between unmanaged and 
semi-managed (aka 'smart') switches these days, it just doesn't make 
sense to buy unmanaged any more. You never know when things like VLANs,

LLDP and LACP might just come in handy, and even if you never use them,

a managed switch will also allow you to do other interesting things
like 
graph per-port (and sometimes per-port-VLAN) usage, which can be useful

for detecting misbehaving network hardware elsewhere.

 I've
 had decent results with the Linksys/Cisco SMB switches and the ZyXel
 GS1900 range.

One of our clients uses the Zyxel switches to good effect. Their 24
port 
PoE versions are certainly competitively priced.

I tend to use HP where possible. At the lower cost end of the market, 
something like the 1810-24G (web managed) is a good bet, or move up to 
the 2510/2520 if you need more management functionality and/or a CLI. 
I've avoided the 1910 range; AIUI they're basically rebadged 3Com units

after the HP/3Com buyout.

Kind regards,

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Re: [pfSense] OT: Good network switch for 10 machines?

2014-09-23 Thread Michael Bubb
I agree with the point that managed vs nonmanaged price difference is
negligible so why not managed...

Ubiquiti is worth a look for this application. The OS is nice to work with
and has both CLI and GUI

http://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgeswitch/

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Adam Thompson athom...@athompso.net
wrote:

 +1 for HP ProCurve, except for the stuff they inherited from 3Com...
 I've also had reasonably good luck with Netgear and D-Link managed
 switches.
 The Cisco SMB stuff seems OK hardware-wise, but the software is
 questionable.
 Note that all three of these options come with lifetime, free, firmware
 updates.
 -Adam


 On September 23, 2014 12:56:00 PM CDT, Chris Bagnall 
 pfse...@lists.minotaur.cc wrote:

 On 23/9/14 6:46 pm, RB wrote:

  I'd suggest at least a managed switch that can do LACP.


 This.

 Given how small the price difference often is between unmanaged and
 semi-managed (aka 'smart') switches these days, it just doesn't make
 sense to buy unmanaged any more. You never know when things like VLANs,
 LLDP and LACP might just come in handy, and even if you never use them,
 a managed switch will also allow you to do other interesting things like
 graph per-port (and sometimes per-port-VLAN) usage, which can be useful
 for detecting misbehaving network hardware elsewhere.

  I've
  had decent results with the Linksys/Cisco SMB switches and the
 ZyXel
  GS1900 range.


 One of our clients uses the Zyxel switches to good effect. Their 24 port
 PoE versions are certainly competitively priced.

 I tend to use HP where possible. At the lower cost end of the market,
 something like the 1810-24G (web managed) is a good bet, or move up to
 the 2510/2520 if you need more management functionality and/or a CLI.
 I've avoided the 1910 range; AIUI they're basically rebadged 3Com units
 after the HP/3Com buyout.

 Kind regards,

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Re: [pfSense] OT: Good network switch for 10 machines?

2014-09-23 Thread Josh Reynolds

Interesting that I would see Ubiquiti pop up on this list.

I am Josh_SPITwSPOTS on that forum...
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/108998

TheGUI and CLI are a mess. Thatsaid, they are stable, but if you don't 
need 24vpassive POE, and/or 802.3at/af, then the HP has better 
management options and a fully supported SNMP stack. I'm sure the 
edgeswich line will get there, but I wouldn't recommended it outside of 
WISP use (or needed lots of POE) just yet.


Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com

On 09/23/2014 10:26 AM, Michael Bubb wrote:
I agree with the point that managed vs nonmanaged price difference is 
negligible so why not managed...


Ubiquiti is worth a look for this application. The OS is nice to work 
with and has both CLI and GUI


http://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgeswitch/

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Adam Thompson athom...@athompso.net 
mailto:athom...@athompso.net wrote:


+1 for HP ProCurve, except for the stuff they inherited from 3Com...
I've also had reasonably good luck with Netgear and D-Link managed
switches.
The Cisco SMB stuff seems OK hardware-wise, but the software is
questionable.
Note that all three of these options come with lifetime, free,
firmware updates.
-Adam


On September 23, 2014 12:56:00 PM CDT, Chris Bagnall
pfse...@lists.minotaur.cc mailto:pfse...@lists.minotaur.cc wrote:

On 23/9/14 6:46 pm, RB wrote:

I'd suggest at least a managed switch that can do LACP. 



This.

Given how small the price difference often is between unmanaged and
semi-managed (aka 'smart') switches these days, it just doesn't make
sense to buy unmanaged any more. You never know when things like VLANs,
LLDP and LACP might just come in handy, and even if you never use them,
a managed switch will also allow you to do other interesting things like
graph per-port (and sometimes per-port-VLAN) usage, which can be useful
for detecting misbehaving network hardware elsewhere.

I've had decent results with the Linksys/Cisco SMB
switches and the ZyXel GS1900 range. 



One of our clients uses the Zyxel switches to good effect. Their 24 port
PoE versions are certainly competitively priced.

I tend to use HP where possible. At the lower cost end of the market,
something like the 1810-24G (web managed) is a good bet, or move up to
the 2510/2520 if you need more management functionality and/or a CLI.
I've avoided the 1910 range; AIUI they're basically rebadged 3Com units
after the HP/3Com buyout.

Kind regards,

Chris


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Re: [pfSense] OT: Good network switch for 10 machines?

2014-09-23 Thread Chris Bagnall

On 23/9/14 7:44 pm, Espen Johansen wrote:

A netgear pro switch


Be careful which model you get. Some of the newer/cheaper ones that have 
been sold as 'managed' recently don't have a web interface. They have 
some horrible management application that uses Adobe Air, only works on 
Windows, only communicates with switches on the same broadcast domain 
(so useless for any sort of routed environment) and is generally rubbish.


If you get one of the older FS72x/75x models, I think you're okay - it's 
the newer J ones that seem to have this 'feature'.


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Re: [pfSense] OT: Good network switch for 10 machines?

2014-09-23 Thread Stefan Baur
Am 23.09.2014 um 20:56 schrieb Chris Bagnall:
 Be careful which model you get. Some of the newer/cheaper ones that have
 been sold as 'managed' recently don't have a web interface. They have
 some horrible management application that uses Adobe Air, only works on
 Windows, only communicates with switches on the same broadcast domain
 (so useless for any sort of routed environment) and is generally rubbish.

... and broadcasts the password in plain text. No kidding.

If you have a Windows machine where you can install the admin tool, and
you don't have to access the management interface while other devices
are plugged in (i.e. you're planning a static VLAN setup and an
interruption of service to reprogram the switch is okay for you), then
you can buy those, too.  Just beware of these ugly limitations.

The five-port model (GS105E) is nice as long as you can deal with the
limitations. Gigabit, compact form factor, nice to have in your admin
laptop bag, for example. There are even mods to run it from a battery pack.

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Re: [pfSense] OT: Good network switch for 10 machines?

2014-09-23 Thread Kurt Buff
HP Procurves are a good line of switches, and often come with a full
lifetime warranty. I also like Juniper, but those tend to be more
expensive, although often more capable than the HPs.

It's my policy (as a networking professional) to *always* buy managed
switches. Doing this can give you a great deal of insight into what's
happening on your network - the ability to use SNMP and a span/mirror
port will give you the ability to monitor and diagnose traffic.
Without the management, you'll be at least partially blind, which is
not a good place to reside.

Which switch you get will depend on what your network load will be -
you didn't characterize that in your post, so it's hard to say exactly
what level of performance you need. If all you need is 100mbit for
each machine, getting a fully gigabit capable switch will be overkill,
but if you'll be pushing lots of data between the machines (you did
say cluster, after all), then getting one that's gigabit across all
ports is a necessity.

Kurt

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Kenward Vaughan kay_...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Sorry about the topic, but when I had asked a question before about trying
 to tie into a wireless network through a pfSense box, your answers to what
 turned out to be another OT question actually led our IS group to give me
 full VPN access to the outside world.  I will be putting a pfSense box on
 our end of that connection.  Thanks again for that help!

 As was apparent in that post I am pretty ignorant of networking details, but
 do know that sometime in the near future I will be looking for a decent
 network switch to tie 10-11 dual cpu machines together into a cluster.
 Would anyone have a thought as to a good switch for this?

 The machines will have the Intel i210 Dual Port Gigabit Ethernet controller,
 if that makes any difference.

 Appreciate any thoughts!  Thanks!


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Re: [pfSense] OT: Good network switch for 10 machines?

2014-09-23 Thread J. Echter
Am 23.09.2014 19:56, schrieb Chris Bagnall:
 On 23/9/14 6:46 pm, RB wrote:
 I'd suggest at least a managed switch that can do LACP.

 This.

 Given how small the price difference often is between unmanaged and
 semi-managed (aka 'smart') switches these days, it just doesn't make
 sense to buy unmanaged any more. You never know when things like
 VLANs, LLDP and LACP might just come in handy, and even if you never
 use them, a managed switch will also allow you to do other interesting
 things like graph per-port (and sometimes per-port-VLAN) usage, which
 can be useful for detecting misbehaving network hardware elsewhere.
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Re: [pfSense] OT: Good network switch for 10 machines?

2014-09-23 Thread Kurt Buff
BTW - forgot to make some specific recommendations - I like this switch a lot:
http://www.provantage.com/hewlett-packard-hp-j9803a-aba~7HEWN2JW.htm

Oh - don't forget to get the firmware current on anything you get...

Kurt



On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Kenward Vaughan kay_...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Sorry about the topic, but when I had asked a question before about trying
 to tie into a wireless network through a pfSense box, your answers to what
 turned out to be another OT question actually led our IS group to give me
 full VPN access to the outside world.  I will be putting a pfSense box on
 our end of that connection.  Thanks again for that help!

 As was apparent in that post I am pretty ignorant of networking details, but
 do know that sometime in the near future I will be looking for a decent
 network switch to tie 10-11 dual cpu machines together into a cluster.
 Would anyone have a thought as to a good switch for this?

 The machines will have the Intel i210 Dual Port Gigabit Ethernet controller,
 if that makes any difference.

 Appreciate any thoughts!  Thanks!


 Kenward
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