[WSG] Unwanted gap in IE

2006-08-21 Thread Adam Morris
Hi Guys. Simple problem and I'm sure there's a simple answer but I haven't the foggiest what it is.http://www.maxbulley.comIn IE, there is a space underneath the photograph (ugly); in FF, there isn't (nice). How to get rid??
Thanks in advanceAdam

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Re: [WSG] search/replace source code

2006-08-21 Thread Matthew Pennell

On 8/21/06, Stuart Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm trying to make this javascript unobtrusive.

The code below kind of works but it doesn't know where to write the
breadcrumbs.


You want to do document.getElementById('content').innerHTML = output +
pageTitle to put them where you want them... but a more relevant
question would be why do you want to create breadcrumbs using
Javascript?

IMO this navigational item should not rely on JS to be available -
your code could easily be replicated server-side.

Matthew.


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Re: [WSG] Unwanted gap in IE

2006-08-21 Thread Ben Lobo

Try removing the line breaks and white space around the the img tag.
There may be nicer, CSS-based solutions but this often fixes some of
these obscure IE anomolies.

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On 8/21/06, Adam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Guys. Simple problem and I'm sure there's a simple answer but I haven't
the foggiest what it is.
http://www.maxbulley.com
In IE, there is a space underneath the photograph (ugly); in FF, there isn't
(nice). How to get rid??

Thanks in advance

Adam



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Re: [WSG] Unwanted gap in IE

2006-08-21 Thread Robbie Shepherd
img{ display: block;}also fixes the issue.On 8/21/06, srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Adam, 

Hopefully it should be fine now, if you can put the following lines in css

#content img {
 padding:0px; margin:0px; vertical-align:bottom;
 }
Regards, 
Srinivas Addagulla

www.seenu.co.in
On 8/21/06, Adam Morris  wrote:

Hi Guys. Simple problem and I'm sure there's a simple answer but I haven't the foggiest what it is.http://www.maxbulley.com
In IE, there is a space underneath the photograph (ugly); in FF, there isn't (nice). How to get rid??
Thanks in advanceAdam

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Re: [WSG] Unwanted gap in IE

2006-08-21 Thread Adam Morris
Something to do with inline elements then and having to alter them to 'block'On 21/08/06, Robbie Shepherd 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:img{ display: block;}also fixes the issue.
On 8/21/06, srinivas 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Adam, 

Hopefully it should be fine now, if you can put the following lines in css

#content img {
 padding:0px; margin:0px; vertical-align:bottom;
 }
Regards, 
Srinivas Addagulla

www.seenu.co.in
On 8/21/06, Adam Morris  wrote:


Hi Guys. Simple problem and I'm sure there's a simple answer but I haven't the foggiest what it is.http://www.maxbulley.com
In IE, there is a space underneath the photograph (ugly); in FF, there isn't (nice). How to get rid??
Thanks in advanceAdam

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[WSG] Using CSS to emulate frames

2006-08-21 Thread Björn Gustafsson

Hi,

I'm currently trying to get a few divs with some css to work like a 
frameset rows=*,100, a.k.a. a 100px bar at the bottom with [stuff] 
and a browser-size-sized area above it with [main content].
Simply placing the [stuff] at the bottom and setting [main content] size 
to 100% introduces some problems (overlapping of text w.o. scrollbars 
would be the major one) when the window isn't big enough to fit all the 
text, and setting them statically leads to a very inflexible site design.


As it is right now, the divs are position:absolute, and they're (on my 
screen) filling about half of the browser window vertically, giving me a 
big white space beneath that I'd like to extend the [main content] div 
into, while having [stuff] at the bottom.


A stripped version can be found at http://blah.towel.nu/

So, is there a way to emulate this dynamic frames-behaviour, or will I 
have to set it static?



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Re: [WSG] Unwanted gap in IE

2006-08-21 Thread Nick Fitzsimons

On 21 Aug 2006, at 09:16, Adam Morris wrote:

Something to do with inline elements then and having to alter them  
to 'block'


On 21/08/06, Robbie Shepherd  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
img{
  display: block;
}

also fixes the issue.

On 8/21/06, Adam Morris  wrote:
http://www.maxbulley.com
In IE, there is a space underneath the photograph (ugly); in FF,  
there isn't (nice). How to get rid??




Exactly. When an image is inline (which is the default display  
property value for images), its vertical-align property has the  
default value of baseline, meaning, aligned with the baseline of  
the text it is assumed to be inline with. However, the descenders on  
letters like g and y need space below the baseline, hence the gap  
you were seeing. Setting the image's display property to block   
means that the browser no longer has to make allowance for the  
possibility of a lower-case g or similar appearing inline with it,  
and therefore it no longer leaves space for it.


HTH,

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Re: [WSG] Unwanted gap in IE

2006-08-21 Thread srinivas
that is really useful piece of information. 

srinivas
On 8/21/06, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
On 21 Aug 2006, at 09:16, Adam Morris wrote: Something to do with inline elements then and having to alter them to 'block' On 21/08/06, Robbie Shepherd  

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: img{ display: block; } also fixes the issue. On 8/21/06, Adam Morris  wrote: 

http://www.maxbulley.com In IE, there is a space underneath the photograph (ugly); in FF, there isn't (nice). How to get rid??Exactly. When an image is inline (which is the default display
property value for images), its vertical-align property has thedefault value of baseline, meaning, aligned with the baseline ofthe text it is assumed to be inline with. However, the descenders on
letters like g and y need space below the baseline, hence the gapyou were seeing. Setting the image's display property to blockmeans that the browser no longer has to make allowance for the
possibility of a lower-case g or similar appearing inline with it,and therefore it no longer leaves space for it.HTH,Nick.--Nick Fitzsimons

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[WSG] paramter passing in HTML

2006-08-21 Thread nishak










Hi All,



I need to
know whether its possible to pass parameter from plain HTML to other plain
HTML. May be in format of var=value in URL or anything else??



Regards,

Nisha
Kumari.







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Re: [WSG] paramter passing in HTML

2006-08-21 Thread David Dorward
On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 06:38:40PM +0530, nishak wrote:
I need to know whether it's possible to pass parameter from plain HTML to
other plain HTML. May be in format of var=value in URL or anything else??

No. HTML is just data, anything dynamic needs to be handled by a
server side process or a client side script.

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RE: [WSG] paramter passing in HTML

2006-08-21 Thread Roberto Scano (IWA/HWG)


- Messaggio originale -
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Oggetto: [WSG] paramter passing in HTML


Hi All,

I need to know whether it’s possible to pass parameter from plain HTML to
other plain HTML. May be in format of var=value in URL or anything else??

   Roberto Scano:
No with pure html I think something is possible to do  with javascript...



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RE: [WSG] paramter passing in HTML

2006-08-21 Thread Richard Conyard








As a simple answer no.



Depending on what you want to do you can
get access to passed parameters via _javascript_ (that can sit in / be linked
from), a plain old HTML page, otherwise you have to look at programming on the
server side.



Richard.











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Sent: 21 August 2006 14:09
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] paramter passing in
HTML







Hi All,



I need to know whether its possible
to pass parameter from plain HTML to other plain HTML. May be in format of
var=value in URL or anything else??



Regards,

Nisha Kumari.






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[WSG] wierd refresh issue IE

2006-08-21 Thread Sean Jones

Hi all

I have a wierd problem with a website I helped build, 
www.visiblefictions.co.uk (past-productions-shopping for shoes). When viewed 
in IE the right-hand column is pushed below the left column for a few 
seconds before correcting itself!? This seems to be related to the cache and 
only happens on some machines. The css isn't the cleanest but if anyone has 
any suggestions or have come across this problem before your help would be 
greatly appreciated!


.        

// sean.jones
// designer

tel: 0141.341.2893
mobile: 07818 431 301
fax: 0141.341.2802

biscuitmedia
craighall.business.park
1.eagle.street
glasgow
g4.9xa

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Re: [WSG] wierd refresh issue IE

2006-08-21 Thread Navjot Pawera




works for me 

Sean Jones wrote:
Hi
all
  
  
I have a wierd problem with a website I helped build,
www.visiblefictions.co.uk (past-productions-shopping for shoes). When
viewed in IE the right-hand column is pushed below the left column for
a few seconds before correcting itself!? This seems to be related to
the cache and only happens on some machines. The css isn't the cleanest
but if anyone has any suggestions or have come across this problem
before your help would be greatly appreciated!
  
  
.    
  
  
// sean.jones
  
// designer
  
  
tel: 0141.341.2893
  
mobile: 07818 431 301
  
fax: 0141.341.2802
  
  
biscuitmedia
  
craighall.business.park
  
1.eagle.street
  
glasgow
  
g4.9xa
  
  
biscuitmedia teams up with grp...
  
http://www.biscuitmedia.com
  
  
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http://toolbar.live.com/?mkt=en-gb
  
  
  
  
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[WSG] Site Check Please

2006-08-21 Thread Christian Fagan




Hello all,

Can I please get a complete site check in Safari for the following URL:
www.waterisetanks.com

Cheers.
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Re: [WSG] Site Check Please

2006-08-21 Thread Matt Keehan
I got a server-not-found message...


--- Christian Fagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello all,
 
 Can I please get a complete site check in Safari for the following
 URL:
 www.waterisetanks.com http://www.waterisetanks.com
 
 Cheers.
 
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 Fagan Design
 
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RE: [WSG] paramter passing in HTML

2006-08-21 Thread nishak








Can u tell me how I can use _javascript_ for this purpose???



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passing in HTML



As a simple answer no.



Depending on what you want to do you can get access to passed parameters
via _javascript_ (that can sit in / be linked from), a plain old HTML page,
otherwise you have to look at programming on the server side.



Richard.











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Subject: [WSG] paramter passing in
HTML





Hi All,



I
need to know whether its possible to pass parameter from plain HTML to other
plain HTML. May be in format of var=value in URL or anything else??



Regards,

Nisha
Kumari.






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Re: [WSG] paramter passing in HTML

2006-08-21 Thread Christian Heilmann

Can u tell me how I can use JavaScript for this purpose???


Can you (not u) please not?

1) You can use JavaScript to read out a parameter on the URL [1]
2) You also open your site to every possible cross server scripting
attack out there [2]
3) You make sure the site only works for users that have JavaScript
available, and that is simply a bad plan as you don't know your
visitors

[1] http://www.wsabstract.com/javatutors/send1.shtml
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_site_scripting


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Re: [WSG] paramter passing in HTML

2006-08-21 Thread Anders Nawroth

http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20040126/154773.html

Maybe this will work.

/AndersN

nishak skrev:


Can u tell me how I can use JavaScript for this purpose???

-Original Message-
*From:* listdad@webstandardsgroup.org 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of *Richard Conyard

*Sent:* Monday, August 21, 2006 6:47 PM
*To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
*Subject:* RE: [WSG] paramter passing in HTML

As a simple answer no.

Depending on what you want to do you can get access to passed 
parameters via JavaScript (that can sit in / be linked from), a plain 
old HTML page, otherwise you have to look at programming on the server 
side.


Richard.



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*Sent:* 21 August 2006 14:09
*To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
*Subject:* [WSG] paramter passing in HTML

Hi All,

I need to know whether it’s possible to pass parameter from plain HTML 
to other plain HTML. May be in format of var=value in URL or anything 
else??


Regards,

Nisha Kumari.


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Re: [WSG] Site Check Please

2006-08-21 Thread Christian Fagan




that's because I spelt it wrong

www.waterwisetanks.com


Matt Keehan wrote:

  I got a server-not-found message...


--- Christian Fagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
Hello all,

Can I please get a complete site check in Safari for the following
URL:
www.waterisetanks.com http://www.waterisetanks.com

Cheers.

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Fagan Design

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[WSG] list elements

2006-08-21 Thread MarcLuzietti
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Are list elements (ul, ol, li, etc.) block level or not? My HTML book is 
no help on this subject and I don't seem to be able to find the answer in 
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Re: [WSG] list elements

2006-08-21 Thread Christian Heilmann

I'm a subscriber, not an element!

Maybe text-only mail helps?


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RE: [WSG] list elements

2006-08-21 Thread Emma Sax
 Are list elements (ul, ol, li, etc.) block level or not? My HTML book
is
 no help on this subject and I don't seem to be able to find the answer
in
 the W3C specs for HTML 4.01.

This should help:

http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/block.html


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Re: [WSG] list elements

2006-08-21 Thread Christian Heilmann

The question (inside the noname attachment) was if list elements are
block or inline elements and there is a great resource about that
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http://www.autisticcuckoo.net/archive.php?id=2005/01/11/block-vs-inline-1


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Re: [WSG] list elements

2006-08-21 Thread David Dorward
On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 11:13:09AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Are list elements (ul, ol, li, etc.) block level or not? My HTML book is 
 no help on this subject and I don't seem to be able to find the answer in 
 the W3C specs for HTML 4.01.

ul and ol elements are block level

li are a special case (only containable by ul and ol), but close to
block level then inline

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Re: [WSG] list elements

2006-08-21 Thread Nick Fitzsimons


On 21 Aug 2006, at 16:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Are list elements (ul, ol, li, etc.) block level or not? My HTML  
book is
no help on this subject and I don't seem to be able to find the  
answer in

the W3C specs for HTML 4.01.



Check the DTD:

http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/sgml/dtd.html#block

%block includes %list which includes OL and UL. Oddly enough, LI  
appears to be neither block nor inline...


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[WSG] New Version of Mozilla/Firefox Accessibility Extension Available

2006-08-21 Thread Jon Gunderson
A new version of the Mozilla/Firefox Accessibility Extension is available with some new functions and a redesigned toolbar and menu layout. This release is close to what we expect for Version 1.0. So please download and check it out and give your feedback on features or bugs. Your comments make a big difference to our developer!
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Re: [WSG] Form playing havoc with nav (maybe)

2006-08-21 Thread Seona Bellamy
Thanks for all the help and suggestions, guys! I've gone in and made the suggested changes to both the #nav and the table that the order form sits in. I've also revalidated everything - this is what happens when you create a valid site, think Woohoo it validates! and then forget to check that it continues to validate after every time the clients wants just one more change *sigh*.
Anyway, it all looks good from this end but I never saw the problem on my own system in the first place. Can a few people just check back and tell me if I have managed to solve the problem?Cheers,Seona.


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Re: [WSG] IE5.2/Mac... How sites deal with a dead browser

2006-08-21 Thread Micky Hulse

Nick Gleitzman wrote:
Know of any other sites that have completely dropped CSS support for 
IE5.2/Mac and/or IE5.0/PC?


Re IE5/Mac: see the thread from August 4, 'Re: [WSG] Support for 
IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)'.


Ah, hehe, sorry if I brought-up a convo that has been already started.

Reading that thread now.

I guess I am just a bit surprised to see more and more sites doing 
something to force their users to upgrade. I guess if I were an IE 
5.2/Mac user, I would prefer this over seeing a broken layout.


Anyway, reading that thread now...

Thanks,
Cheers,
Micky


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Re: [WSG] IE5.2/Mac... How sites deal with a dead browser

2006-08-21 Thread Nick Gleitzman


On 22 Aug 2006, at 1:28 PM, Micky Hulse wrote:


Nick Gleitzman wrote:
Know of any other sites that have completely dropped CSS support for 
IE5.2/Mac and/or IE5.0/PC?
Re IE5/Mac: see the thread from August 4, 'Re: [WSG] Support for 
IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)'.


Ah, hehe, sorry if I brought-up a convo that has been already started.


Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like I was criticising; that previous 
thread doesn't really answer your question anyway, but it does give you 
some options (and rationale) on how to go about it. Just thought you'd 
be interested.



Reading that thread now.

I guess I am just a bit surprised to see more and more sites doing 
something to force their users to upgrade. I guess if I were an IE 
5.2/Mac user, I would prefer this over seeing a broken layout.


Hmm... 'force' is too strong a word. We should never 'force' our 
visitors to do anything! But *inviting* them to upgrade by serving a 
plain text site - nothing wrong with that. Absolutely preferable to a 
broken layout, IMO.


Oh - and a recent peruse of one of my sites' stats showed a (thankfully 
singular) visitor using ... wait for it ... Explorer 1.0. I guess 
there's no helping some people...


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RE: [WSG] Form playing havoc with nav (maybe)

2006-08-21 Thread Kepler Gelotte
Looks fine to me now.

Regards,
Kepler Gelotte
Neighbor Webmaster, Inc.
http://www.neighborwebmaster.com



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Subject: Re: [WSG] Form playing havoc with nav (maybe)

Thanks for all the help and suggestions, guys! I've gone in and made the
suggested changes to both the #nav and the table that the order form sits
in. I've also revalidated everything - this is what happens when you create
a valid site, think Woohoo it validates! and then forget to check that it
continues to validate after every time the clients wants just one more
change *sigh*. 

Anyway, it all looks good from this end but I never saw the problem on my
own system in the first place. Can a few people just check back and tell me
if I have managed to solve the problem?

Cheers,

Seona. 

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Re: [WSG] IE5.2/Mac... How sites deal with a dead browser

2006-08-21 Thread Micky Hulse

Nick Gleitzman wrote:

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like I was criticising; that previous


Oh, not at all... I did not mean to make it sound like you were.  :D

thread doesn't really answer your question anyway, but it does give you 
some options (and rationale) on how to go about it. Just thought you'd 
be interested.


For sure. I saw it start a while back, but soon got lost due to all the 
subject changing and such... still tracking-back through it now.


Hmm... 'force' is too strong a word. We should never 'force' our 
visitors to do anything! But *inviting* them to upgrade by serving a 
plain text site - nothing wrong with that. Absolutely preferable to a 
broken layout, IMO.


Excellent point and I agree.  :D

I can't wait for browsers like IE5.0 and IE5.2 to die... I mean, they 
are pretty-much dead already, but not dead enough to make me not care.


Oh - and a recent peruse of one of my sites' stats showed a (thankfully 
singular) visitor using ... wait for it ... Explorer 1.0. I guess 
there's no helping some people...


LOL!!!

It has to be a practical joke!

Hmmm, actually, that would be interesting April fools day trick... spoof 
your browser stats - anyone know how to do this? I would love to surf 
the web and have folks thinking I was using IE 1.0! Lol, what a trip - 
1.0... where do you even download that anymore? Can XP run it?


Ok, I have had too much coffee. Time to take a break.  :)

Cheers,
Micky


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