Re: [WSG] SiteAdvisor.com
On 10/13/06, Dan Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Fellow Standardistas, Tonight, My colleague and I had to remove all links to the WebStandardsGroup.com web site from our own site. Why, might you ask? Here are the nasty details. McAfee has created a tool called SiteAdvisor which rates whether or not pages are good, bad, or marginal, based on installation of spyware/adware, generating spam e-mails, etc. People *use* this? -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... portfolio.christianmontoya.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SiteAdvisor.com
Hi Dan, you forgot to mention that they have an extension for Firefox too, and the best of all is, that our site is flagged with red, because we have been linking to WebAIM www.webaim.org, and we had to delete all our links to them too. Best, John Dan Johnson wrote: Greetings Fellow Standardistas, Tonight, My colleague and I had to remove all links to the WebStandardsGroup.com web site from our own site. Why, might you ask? Here are the nasty details. McAfee has created a tool called SiteAdvisor which rates whether or not pages are good, bad, or marginal, based on installation of spyware/adware, generating spam e-mails, etc. Oddly enough, the WSG site made it into the marginal category, being flagged with a bright yellow exclamation point rather than the green checkmark or the dreaded red X. This seems to be due to the fact that SiteAdvisor's software entered its e-mail address to join the group. Their software considers the fact that it received 192 e-mails in the following week to be evidence that the WSG page generates e-mail spam for submitted addresses. The SiteAdvisor tool integrates into Internet Explorer, placing a colorful icon next to search results. Of course, no one wants nasty spam or spyware, so they won't click on yellow or red links. Isn't that nice of McAffee? We had another link on our site to a red site. It is a red site because it includes some advertising of a less-than pleasant reputation. By association, our site also became red. Guilt by association. Joe McCarthy would be proud. Big Brother is, indeed, watching. -- John S. Britsios Web Architect Marketing Consultant Webnauts Net (Main Office) Koblenzer Str. 37A D-33613 Bielefeld Webnauts Net (U.S. Office) 5 Ivanhoe Drive Urbana IL 61802 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web address: http://www.webnauts.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SiteAdvisor.com
There are users who use that. We did not know this tool, until we got an email through our site contact form today(name, etc hidden respecting their privacy): You have been contacted by: Roy (xxx:xxx) from Ip Address: xxx.xxx.xxx.xx with Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://xxx.xxx.net Locale: en Comments: Thought you should know: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/webnauts.net?ref=safeaff_id=0 If you install their extension, make a search for something at google, and you will also see what happens. Thats all I can tell so far. Best, John Christian Montoya wrote: On 10/13/06, Dan Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Fellow Standardistas, Tonight, My colleague and I had to remove all links to the WebStandardsGroup.com web site from our own site. Why, might you ask? Here are the nasty details. McAfee has created a tool called SiteAdvisor which rates whether or not pages are good, bad, or marginal, based on installation of spyware/adware, generating spam e-mails, etc. People *use* this? -- John S. Britsios Web Architect Marketing Consultant Webnauts Net (Main Office) Koblenzer Str. 37A D-33613 Bielefeld Webnauts Net (U.S. Office) 5 Ivanhoe Drive Urbana IL 61802 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web address: http://www.webnauts.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SiteAdvisor.com
On 10/13/06, John S. Britsios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are users who use that. We did not know this tool, until we got an email through our site contact form today(name, etc hidden respecting their privacy): You have been contacted by: Roy (xxx:xxx) from Ip Address: xxx.xxx.xxx.xx with Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://xxx.xxx.net Locale: en Comments: Thought you should know: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/webnauts.net?ref=safeaff_id=0 If you install their extension, make a search for something at google, and you will also see what happens. Thats all I can tell so far. Interestingly enough, if you go to their contact page: http://www.siteadvisor.com/about/contact.html the option to send them complaints is not available yet...this is actually making me really mad. SiteAdvisor was founded in April 2005 by a group of MIT engineers I'm starting to wonder about those MIT engineering programs... -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... portfolio.christianmontoya.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] SiteAdvisor.com
Hi, Probably don't want this thread to keep going as it is kind of off-topic, but I'm certainly not removing links to anything based on a stupid newbie tool made by a company whose ethics are down there with the virus makers themselves. Just ignore it and it'll go away or they'll get sued for misrepresentation or people will realise that it's flawed when a lot of the sites they use regularly come up with a warning and they know it to be a blatant lie (like the WSG case). Post your complaints on their blog http://blog.siteadvisor.com/ (and I will be posting this thread there, bet the moderator doesn't post it though...) P *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SiteAdvisor.com
Peter Firminger wrote: Hi, Probably don't want this thread to keep going as it is kind of off-topic, but I'm certainly not removing links to anything based on a stupid newbie tool made by a company whose ethics are down there with the virus makers themselves. Just ignore it and it'll go away or they'll get sued for misrepresentation or people will realise that it's flawed when a lot of the sites they use regularly come up with a warning and they know it to be a blatant lie (like the WSG case). Post your complaints on their blog http://blog.siteadvisor.com/ (and I will be posting this thread there, bet the moderator doesn't post it though...) P hi, i just did a quick update to my site and added the wsg member link to it, along with the css and xhtml button. btw, where can i get some smaller css and xhtml buttons? dwain *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Getting the layout to work and with all browsers
Very few large businesses have finished rolling out XP yet! Mike From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Navjot PaweraSent: Friday, October 13, 2006 6:45 AMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] Getting the layout to work and with all browsers "working towards blocking the automatic update" - does this also mean that such businesses won't be upgrading to "vista" ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] programmmer said: difination list not a standard practise
Pick up a copy of Bulletproof web design by Dan Cederholm It's a sweet little book, and has a nice section on the usage of a dl, next to plenty of other standards based design examples. http://www.simplebits.com/publications/bulletproof/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/simplebitsdan/sets/663014/ Its example code === div id=sweden dl dtStockholm/dt dd class=imgimg src=img/gamlastan.jpg width=80 height=80 alt=Gamla Stan //dd ddThis was taken in Gamla Stan (Old Town) in a large square of amazing buildings./dd /dl dl dtGamla Uppsala/dt dd class=imgimg src=img/uppsala.jpg width=80 height=80 alt=Gamla Uppsala //dd ddThe first three Swedish kings are buried here, under ancient burial mounds./dd /dl dl dtPerpetual Sun/dt dd class=imgimg src=img/watch.jpg width=80 height=80 alt=Wristwatch //dd ddDuring the summer months, the sun takes forever to go down. This is a good thing./dd /dl /div === You can download the book's sourcecode from the site. There's some (unhelpful) preview on safari : http://safari.oreilly.com/0321346939/ch04?imagepage=69#X2ludGVybmFsX1NlY3Rpb25Db250ZW50P3htbGlkPTAzMjEzNDY5MzkvY2gwNGxldjFzZWMyJmltYWdlcGFnZT03NQ== Been there too, explaining my design decisions to the uninitiated... JJ On 10/12/06, Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Halans Jean-Jacques New Zealand Journal : http://nz.halans.be Honeymoon Australia : http://oz.halans.be *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] list-image cross browser position
Title: Website design - Pacific Fox Hello all, is there any way to have a list-image in the same position across Internet Explorer and Firefox? In IE the image is very close to the text, in Firefox it is just about where I would like it to be. Thanks in advance. Kind regards,Taco Fleur watch our new video online! Pacific Foxfree call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions,streaming video and complete web strategies ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
RE: [WSG] list-image cross browser position
Title: Website design - Pacific Fox Using list image is notoriously annoying to get lined up right. Ditch it and apply background images to your list items and position your text accordingly with margins.You'll find it a lot easier to get it the same across browsers. (btw the pacific fox logo that applies itself to the top of my reply is wonderful :/ ) FRANCES BERRIMAN http://fberriman.com From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taco FleurSent: 13 October 2006 12:24To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] list-image cross browser position Hello all, is there any way to have a list-image in the same position across Internet Explorer and Firefox? In IE the image is very close to the text, in Firefox it is just about where I would like it to be. Thanks in advance. Kind regards,Taco Fleur watch our new video online! Pacific Foxfree call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions,streaming video and complete web strategies__This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*** __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
RE: [WSG] list-image cross browser position
Title: Website design - Pacific Fox http://clickfind.com.au Kind regards,Taco Fleur watch our new video online! Pacific Foxfree call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions,streaming video and complete web strategies From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taco FleurSent: Friday, 13 October 2006 9:24 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] list-image cross browser position Hello all, is there any way to have a list-image in the same position across Internet Explorer and Firefox? In IE the image is very close to the text, in Firefox it is just about where I would like it to be. Thanks in advance. Kind regards,Taco Fleur watch our new video online! Pacific Foxfree call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions,streaming video and complete web strategies***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
RE: [WSG] list-image cross browser position
Title: Website design - Pacific Fox Thanks, sounds like a plan.. Kind regards,Taco Fleur watch our new video online! Pacific Foxfree call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions,streaming video and complete web strategies From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frances BerrimanSent: Friday, 13 October 2006 9:52 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: RE: [WSG] list-image cross browser position Using list image is notoriously annoying to get lined up right. Ditch it and apply background images to your list items and position your text accordingly with margins.You'll find it a lot easier to get it the same across browsers. (btw the pacific fox logo that applies itself to the top of my reply is wonderful :/ ) FRANCES BERRIMAN http://fberriman.com From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taco FleurSent: 13 October 2006 12:24To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] list-image cross browser position Hello all, is there any way to have a list-image in the same position across Internet Explorer and Firefox? In IE the image is very close to the text, in Firefox it is just about where I would like it to be. Thanks in advance. Kind regards,Taco Fleur watch our new video online! Pacific Foxfree call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions,streaming video and complete web strategies__This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*** __This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] list-image cross browser position
It could be cos you need to specify both horizontal and vertical values for bg-position. Although the negative left margin may have something to do with it. On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:54:19 +1000, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is however giving me a weird result on http:// http://clickfind.com.au/why-clickfind.cfm clickfind.com.au/why-clickfind.cfm The background images are dissappearing in IE. Kind regards, Taco Fleur - watch our http://pacificfox.tv/ new video online! _ Pacific FoxT free call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 - fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au http://www.pacificfox.com.au/?source=email an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 . our services: * online, print, marketing information technology * website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads * hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions, streaming video and complete web strategies _ From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frances Berriman Sent: Friday, 13 October 2006 9:52 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] list-image cross browser position Using list image is notoriously annoying to get lined up right. Ditch it and apply background images to your list items and position your text accordingly with margins. You'll find it a lot easier to get it the same across browsers. (btw the pacific fox logo that applies itself to the top of my reply is wonderful. :/ ) FRANCES BERRIMAN http:// http://fberriman.com fberriman.com _ From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taco Fleur Sent: 13 October 2006 12:24 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] list-image cross browser position Hello all, is there any way to have a list-image in the same position across Internet Explorer and Firefox? In IE the image is very close to the text, in Firefox it is just about where I would like it to be. Thanks in advance. Kind regards, Taco Fleur - watch our http://pacificfox.tv/ new video online! _ Pacific FoxT free call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 - fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au http://www.pacificfox.com.au/?source=email an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 . our services: * online, print, marketing information technology * website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads * hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions, streaming video and complete web strategies __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] can the legend include block level elements
They dont say much abou that, is a inline element, is allowed to use box inside inline elements. Although dont seems nicely, a header inside of a Legend. Like a header inside a P. On 13/10/06, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I've come across a question that I can't find an answer to. I'm building a form that has fully valid use of fieldsets, legends, labels, etc. It was suggested by a person using a screen reader that I transform the legends to headers or insert headers into the legend for the screen reader to generate the header-based navigation. I looked at the w3c site to see if the legends can include block level elements and couldn't find the answer. Is this valid?: legendh5blah blah blah/h5/legend Thanks Ted Drake Yahoo! Tech- Tech Made Easy Yahoo! Finance http://last-child.com Member of the Yahoo! Accessibility Stakeholders Group *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Make it simple for the people -- http://www.artideias.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] can the legend include block level elements
on 13/10/2006 19:00 Ted Drake said the following: I’ve come across a question that I can’t find an answer to. I’m building a form that has fully valid use of fieldsets, legends, labels, etc. It was suggested by a person using a screen reader that I transform the legends to headers or insert headers into the legend for the screen reader to generate the header-based navigation. I looked at the w3c site to see if the legends can include block level elements and couldn’t find the answer. Is this valid?: legendh5blah blah blah/h5/legend The HTML4 and XHTML1.0 Strict dtds both describe legend as an inline element - which would suggest that you can't use it to enclose a block level header element. Could you not precede the form with a header? Mel *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] can the legend include block level elements
on 13/10/2006 19:29 Rob O'Rourke said the following: Ted Drake wrote: snip Is this valid?: legendh5blah blah blah/h5/legend Fraid not, I checked back to html 4 transitional using this: http://www.themaninblue.com/experiment/DTDMapper/ snip I thought the legend tag was supposed to offer some effects for screen readers when reading out the form controls. Out of curiosity do you know which screen reader it is? JAWS? I've come across some evidence that suggest that, when in Forms Mode, JAWS will only read text enclosed in form controls. Assuming that JAWS correctly identifies legend as a bona fide form control, it should render the legend before reading out the inputs. Text within the form tags that aren't enclosed in form controls, however, may be missed. I'm currently trying to find out if this is still the case with the latest version of JAWS and whether it's an issue with other screen readers. If it is, it impacts on additional text/instructions that might accompany specific inputs. If I we're you I'd just give the legends an accesskey, then you have navigation across more of browser land. How do you communicate the approprate accesskey to the user? My own research amongst keyboard navigators suggest that very few, if any, will bother to 'learn' accesskeys associated with a specific site. After all, would you? If people don't already 'know' the relevant accesskey, its usefulness becomes debatable. Mel *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox print style sheet bug
Thanks for your reply Philippe and the tips for Mac. I didn't know about it. I was talking about a similar bug - bold text overlapping white-space - I have for a print style sheet especially with Firefox. At the moment I fixed the bug by changing the relative font style units (% - em) to fixed units (pt) in the print stylesheet and it seems to work great. Actually I was wondering now about the law about accessiblity, section 508 for example. Is there a reference or specifications to follow even for the print ? The site does not require a high level of accessibility but I'm curious to find out more. Cheers, _ Pierre-Henri Lavigne Cell Phone: +33618753267 http://www.getphuture.com Some exist through what they do... We exist through what we are Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: On Oct 13, 2006, at 8:14 AM, Pierre-Henri Lavigne wrote: I got the same problem in css as the following example page : http://www.getphuture.com/i/google.jpg The qualified persons on the mozilla IRC were busy at the moment I asked support. If someone has an idea about fixing it... I'll forward you answers if I find out more about it. And what is the problem ? The problems with the text, as seen in that screenshot (bold text that overlaps previous text/loose the white-space before the text-node) ? If yes, that is an OS X 10.4 only bug with some fonts: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=288047. If something else, please give some more details, a link to an example page, etc. Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] can the legend include block level elements
Mel wrote: on 13/10/2006 19:29 Rob O'Rourke said the following: I thought the legend tag was supposed to offer some effects for screen readers when reading out the form controls. Out of curiosity do you know which screen reader it is? JAWS? I've come across some evidence that suggest that, when in Forms Mode, JAWS will only read text enclosed in form controls. Assuming that JAWS correctly identifies legend as a bona fide form control, it should render the legend before reading out the inputs. Text within the form tags that aren't enclosed in form controls, however, may be missed. I'm currently trying to find out if this is still the case with the latest version of JAWS and whether it's an issue with other screen readers. If it is, it impacts on additional text/instructions that might accompany specific inputs. JAWS isn't all that good if thats the case... I'm interested in hearing what you find out, i tried installing JAWS once but it broke everything so I've not dared since. If I we're you I'd just give the legends an accesskey, then you have navigation across more of browser land. How do you communicate the approprate accesskey to the user? My own research amongst keyboard navigators suggest that very few, if any, will bother to 'learn' accesskeys associated with a specific site. After all, would you? If people don't already 'know' the relevant accesskey, its usefulness becomes debatable. Mel Fair point but it depends on a lot of things, if the form is used regularly like a login or cms backend or shopping basket then accesskeys couldn't hurt, although it would require some preamble text to let the user what they are. If Personally if I really needed them I'd learn them but even if the user can't be bothered learning them it couldn't hurt to have them in there whether its on a legend or not. Interesting topic this one. Take it easy, Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] List background images disappearing
Title: Website design - Pacific Fox
I am having some
trouble with list background images disappearing on
http://development.clickfind.com.au/contact-us.cfmand
http://development.clickfind.com.au/why-clickfind.cfm
ol.styled li {list-style-type:
none;background-position: left;background-repeat:
no-repeat;padding-left: 30px;margin-left:
-30px;}ol.styled .nrb-1 {background-image:
url(../image/bullet/nrb-1.gif);}
I have also
tried
ol.styled li {list-style-type:
none;background-position: left top;background-repeat:
no-repeat;padding-left:
30px;}
I went from using
list style images to using a background because it is more
consistent across browsers, but it is also giving me a
hard time, any advice would be much appreciated. thanks in
advance.
Kind
regards,Taco
Fleur watch our new
video online!
Pacific
Foxfree call
1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414
6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an
industry leader with commercial experience since 1994
our
services:
online,
print, marketing information
technology
website,
branding, logo, business cards, letterheads
hosting,
e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions,streaming video and complete web
strategies
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Re: [WSG] List background images disappearing
It's a hasLayout issue. Try this:
ol.styled { list-style: none; margin-left: 0; padding-left: 0; }
ol.styled li {
background-position: 0 0;
background-repeat: no-repeat;
padding: 2px 0 2px 30px;
margin-bottom: 0.5em;
}
* html ol.styled li { height: 1%; }
ol.styled p { margin: 0; }
(Not sure that you actually need the extra p inside your list items.)
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:00:27 +1000, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I am having some trouble with list background images disappearing on
http://development.clickfind.com.au/contact-us.cfm and
http://development.clickfind.com.au/why-clickfind.cfm
ol.styled li {
list-style-type: none;
background-position: left;
background-repeat: no-repeat;
padding-left: 30px;
margin-left: -30px;
}
ol.styled .nrb-1 {
background-image: url(../image/bullet/nrb-1.gif);
}
I have also tried
ol.styled li {
list-style-type: none;
background-position: left top;
background-repeat: no-repeat;
padding-left: 30px;
}
I went from using list style images to using a background because it is
more
consistent across browsers, but it is also giving me a hard time, any
advice
would be much appreciated. thanks in advance.
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RE: [WSG] List background images disappearing
Thanks a million, that seems to work nicely, although I don't understand the
finer details of it.
Re: p in list item, not sure either whether I need it or not, saves me
from having to style the text though.
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From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of John Faulds
Sent: Saturday, 14 October 2006 10:45 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] List background images disappearing
It's a hasLayout issue. Try this:
ol.styled { list-style: none; margin-left: 0; padding-left: 0; }
ol.styled li {
background-position: 0 0;
background-repeat: no-repeat;
padding: 2px 0 2px 30px;
margin-bottom: 0.5em;
}
* html ol.styled li { height: 1%; }
ol.styled p { margin: 0; }
(Not sure that you actually need the extra p inside your list items.)
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:00:27 +1000, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I am having some trouble with list background images disappearing on
http://development.clickfind.com.au/contact-us.cfm and
http://development.clickfind.com.au/why-clickfind.cfm
ol.styled li {
list-style-type: none;
background-position: left;
background-repeat: no-repeat;
padding-left: 30px;
margin-left: -30px;
}
ol.styled .nrb-1 {
background-image: url(../image/bullet/nrb-1.gif); } I have also tried
ol.styled li {
list-style-type: none;
background-position: left top;
background-repeat: no-repeat;
padding-left: 30px;
}
I went from using list style images to using a background because it
is more consistent across browsers, but it is also giving me a hard
time, any advice would be much appreciated. thanks in advance.
Kind regards,
Taco Fleur - watch our http://pacificfox.tv/ new video online!
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