Re: [WSG] A little Friday fun
this is great! this song should be on mtv!!! love it! :) have a nice weekend On 11/17/06, Brad Pollard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, thank you! Hilarious. Lets play it at next years web directions and all hold hands. - Original Message - From: Andy Woznica [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] A little Friday fun Makes me wanna throw my laptop on the fire and get down.. Too some seriously accessible content. A - Andy Woznica Actofdesign http://www.actofdesign.com On 11/16/06 7:08 PM, Darren Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI people! The week is drawing to an end...many of you have had a week of nightmare code and semantic nightmares...but never fear - have a listen to this song and know that you are not alone... http://www.esanity.co.uk/podcasts/HandsToBoag.mp3 D ps - sorry if this has already been posted. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Mihael Zadravec tel: 00386 51 808136 email in msn: mihael.zadravec na gmail.com Skype kontakt: mihael_zadravec --- Toasted Web http://www.toastedweb.com --- Miss G. / blog http://missg.toastedweb.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Company Structure Diagram
I am currently working on a new site (http://clients.evolutioninteractive.co.uk). It's a work in progress, so please be gentle. Anyway the reason for my post is that I have been asked to add a company structure to the site (http://clients.evolutioninteractive.co.uk/horncastle-structure.gif). I'm currently struggling to think how to mark it up. I could go for the easy option of just chucking the gif in with a large alt tag...however I know that's just not right. I'm thinking maybe that I could use a series of ol's and dl's. If anyone has any ideas it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance John Polling *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] A little Friday fun
More than that it needs a vid for youtube.. its awesome. WSG theme.. Mihael Zadravec wrote: this is great! this song should be on mtv!!! love it! :) have a nice weekend On 11/17/06, *Brad Pollard* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, thank you! Hilarious. Lets play it at next years web directions and all hold hands. - Original Message - From: Andy Woznica [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org mailto:wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] A little Friday fun Makes me wanna throw my laptop on the fire and get down.. Too some seriously accessible content. A - Andy Woznica Actofdesign http://www.actofdesign.com On 11/16/06 7:08 PM, Darren Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI people! The week is drawing to an end...many of you have had a week of nightmare code and semantic nightmares...but never fear - have a listen to this song and know that you are not alone... http://www.esanity.co.uk/podcasts/HandsToBoag.mp3 D ps - sorry if this has already been posted. -- Gary *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] xhtml strict break tag bug?
having a go trying to help a friend figure out why, in xhtml strict 1.0 the br
/ that are styled in the css style sheet as follows: .sidemenu br
{line-height: 3px; .
However in FF, Netscape and Mozilla it would appear the css style is being
ignored. The space is too high
IE and Opera seem to render it the way she intended. Have googled xhtml strick
break tags bugs but have not found anything so far.
This does not happen in her xhtml transitional version.
Side note: I've noticed in her html she is using tabindex, is that standard?
ps Thanks for all the responses to the form question I had asked.
Sharron
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Re: [WSG] xhtml strict break tag bug?
Maybe should mention that these are menu links that she.
having a go trying to help a friend figure out why, in xhtml strict 1.0 the
br / that are styled in the css style sheet as follows: .sidemenu br
{line-height: 3px; .
However in FF, Netscape and Mozilla it would appear the css style is being
ignored. The space is too high
IE and Opera seem to render it the way she intended. Have googled xhtml
strick break tags bugs but have not found anything so far.
This does not happen in her xhtml transitional version.
Side note: I've noticed in her html she is using tabindex, is that standard?
ps Thanks for all the responses to the form question I had asked.
Sharron
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Re: [WSG] xhtml strict break tag bug?
On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 08:19:17AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
having a go trying to help a friend figure out why, in xhtml strict 1.0
the br / that are styled in the css style sheet as follows: .sidemenu
br {line-height: 3px; .
However in FF, Netscape and Mozilla it would appear the css style is being
ignored. The space is too high
It doesn't make much sense to set a line-height on a line break, which
is just a point at which one line ends and another begins. Setting
line height on the paragraph (or whatever) the break is inside would
make more sense.
Side note: I've noticed in her html she is using tabindex, is that
standard?
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/index/attributes.html
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Re: [WSG] xhtml strict break tag bug?
On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 08:36:32AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe should mention that these are menu links that she. Menu links separated by line break elements? But a menu is a list of links isn't it? http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/ -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] xhtml strict break tag bug?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
having a go trying to help a friend figure out why, in xhtml strict
1.0 the br / that are styled in the css style sheet as follows:
*/.sidemenu br {line-height: 3px;/* */./*
*//* [trimmed]
Sharron
A clickable link to this page would help. Otherwise it is a guessing game.
With a simple list /one/ alternative is to assign line-height to the ul.
No br / needed. And, either way, using px for line-height is not a
good idea. Try a raw number.
ul {
line-height: 1.75;
}
ul
lia href=#stuff/a/li
lia href=#more stuff/a/li
lia href=#even more stuff/a/li
/ul
If the goal is to have a one of /unique/ space, I suppose you could use:
br.lead {line-height: 3.5;}
br class=lead /
Best,
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[WSG] Using list items for horizontal navigation
I have converted a horizontal navigation bar to use list items instead of a
single row table with a table cell for each link. One of the main reasons for
this was so that, when the user increases their font size, the links would wrap
onto the next line instead of the navigation bar extending beyond the width of
the design.
However, I have a couple questions. One of the challenges of the conversion was
getting each link to act like its own cell/box so it would change background
colour but stay within the top and bottom border of the navigation bar. Unlike
a table cell, the list items don't stay contained within their box so easily.
To solve this I set the line height of the navigation bar as follows:
line-height: 1.8em;
I then set the top and bottom padding of the links to 0.4em:
padding: 0.4em 3px 0.4em 3px;
Is this the correct way to get this to work, so the links background colour
rests against the border of the navigation bar? It seems to work except when
you bump the font size right up in Firefox and the background goes over the top
or bottom border.
Also, when the font size is put up, causing the links to wrap onto a second
line, why do the top and bottom paddings overlap? Perhaps I need to look up the
box model again.
Finally, how can I create some sort of divider between the list items? I tried
setting the right border to be 1px white, but because the list items are
inline, there is an actual space between the links.
This means the white border doesn't look centred between the links and it
doesn't look right when hovering over a link. I can remove this space by
putting all of the links onto a single line (e.g. /lili) but you know what
Dreamweaver is like and it could separate them, thereby recreating the space.
Any suggestions?
Here is the relevant link and code:
http://www.fit2gether.co.uk/temp/vibrogymtraining.html
div id=navigationbar
ul
lia href=./Home/a/li
lia href=personaltraining.html Personal training/a/li
lia href=pilates.html Pilates/a/li
lia href=vibrogymtraining.htmlVibrogym training/a/li
etc...
/ul
#navigationbar {
margin-left: auto;
margin-right: auto;
width: 725px;
border-top: 2px solid #3B3CFE;
border-bottom: 2px solid #3B3CFE;
background-color: #FF;
}
#navigationbar ul {
padding: 0px;
margin: 0px;
border: 0px solid #00;
list-style: none;
line-height: 1.8em;
font-size: 0.7em;
font-weight: bold;
text-align: center;
}
#navigationbar ul li {
padding: 0px;
margin: 0px;
border: 0px solid #FF;
display: inline;
}
#navigationbar ul li a:link, #navigationbar ul li a:visited {
text-decoration: none;
color: #66;
padding: 0.4em 3px 0.4em 3px;
border-right: 0px solid white;
border-left: 0px solid white;
white-space: nowrap;
}
#navigationbar ul li a:hover, #navigationbar ul li a:active {
color: #FF;
background-color: #66;
}
Thanks,
Stephen
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Re: [WSG] xhtml strict break tag bug?
I've asked the site owner if I can submitt a link. I will if she gives
permission. However I did try this and it seems to work.
.sidemenu {
font-size: 13px;
font-weight: bold;
width: 100%;
display:block;
margin-top:0;
padding-top: 0;
margin-left: 0;
line-height:20px;
}
.sidemenu br {line-height: 3px;margin-bottom:
2px;margin-top:2px;display:block; }
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
having a go trying to help a friend figure out why, in xhtml strict 1.0
the br / that are styled in the css style sheet as follows:
*/.sidemenu br {line-height: 3px;/* */./*
*//* [trimmed]
Sharron
A clickable link to this page would help. Otherwise it is a guessing game.
With a simple list /one/ alternative is to assign line-height to the ul.
No br / needed. And, either way, using px for line-height is not a good
idea. Try a raw number.
ul {
line-height: 1.75;
}
ul
lia href=#stuff/a/li
lia href=#more stuff/a/li
lia href=#even more stuff/a/li
/ul
If the goal is to have a one of /unique/ space, I suppose you could use:
br.lead {line-height: 3.5;}
br class=lead /
Best,
~dL
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Re: [WSG] xhtml strict break tag bug?
on 17/11/2006 14:36 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said the following: Maybe should mention that these are menu links If this is a menu, she should be using a list - not line breaks - for a whole host of reasons. Styling the padding/margins on the list elements then becomes a lot easier. I'm not convinced that br / *should* be stylable in the way she sems to want. It's not a page element as such, merely a signal to perform a carriage return and line feed when redenring. As such the line height should be the same as that set for the rest of the paragraph. This does not happen in her xhtml transitional version. It could be that FF and Moz are being thrown into 'almost standards' mode: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Gecko%27s_Almost_Standards_Mode Side note: I've noticed in her html she is using tabindex, is that standard? Yes - it's compliant and valid markup but unless there are *really* good reasons for specifying tab indexes, I suggest she removes them and checks that the natural, unindexed, tab order is intuitive (ie top-to-bottom, left-to-right for a Western page). If the page has been manually checked for keyboard navigation accessibility, any warnings from accessibility parsers can be safely ignored. Mel *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] xhtml strict break tag bug?
http://www.webado.net/webado-net-tpl.php is transitional http://www.webado.net/webado-net-tpl-strict.php is strict the above are links to her two pages. These are on her server and do not reflect any of the playing I've done. lol I wonder too why the breaks and not a list for the menu? I will advise about the possible tabindex interference with browser tabindex or whatever you might call it. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] xhtml strict break tag bug?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe should mention that these are menu links that she. Unless I'm missing something, these BR elements could be replaced with a simple display:block declaration. On the other hand, I have a question regarding accessibility: is a BR element as good as a printable character when it comes to separate these links? --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] xhtml strict break tag bug?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.webado.net/webado-net-tpl.php is transitional http://www.webado.net/webado-net-tpl-strict.php is strict Now that I've seen the links in context, I wonder why are the BR for? I guess they are here in case the document shows without styles applied. But that would be more reason to use a UL :) --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] xhtml strict break tag bug?
http://www.designbyatfb.com/temp-images/xhtml/index3.html above is the best I can do, remember I am an amatuer. Netscape and Mozilla are ignoring a few br / tags in the html between the Webado shop and Policy links, have no idea why. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.webado.net/webado-net-tpl.php is transitional http://www.webado.net/webado-net-tpl-strict.php is strict Now that I've seen the links in context, I wonder why are the BR for? I guess they are here in case the document shows without styles applied. But that would be more reason to use a UL :) --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] xhtml strict break tag bug?
having a go trying to help a friend figure out why, in xhtml strict 1.0 the
br / that are styled in the css style sheet as follows: .sidemenu br
{line-height: 3px; .
However in FF, Netscape and Mozilla it would appear the css style is being
ignored. The space is too high
IE and Opera seem to render it the way she intended. Have googled xhtml
strick break tags bugs but have not found anything so far.
This does not happen in her xhtml transitional version.
'line-height' changes the height of lines inside an element. The ambigous
case where an element is the content too (img, br, hr, ...) it only changes
it's own 'line-height', not the one of it's parent or sisters:
span style=line-height: 1em;
white-spacebr style=line-height: 0.5em; /
/span
does not affect the span's line-height, and not the 'white-space' string,
and in effect does nothing at all.
Which I count as good behaviour, because it's really uggly if you put
for example:
span style=line-height: 4em;
img src=bla.png style=display: inline; line-height: 2em; /
img src=bla.png style=display: inline; line-height: 3em; /
img src=bla.png style=display: inline; line-height: 4em; /
img src=bla.png style=display: inline; line-height: 5em; /
/span
What's the line-height in XHTML Trans (where the line-height bleeds to
it's parent and neighbours)? [rethorical question]
My suggestion is not to use it _in_ the text, but _on_ the text (p, div).
Favourably, and if you can, only on block-elements.
Ciao
Niels
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Re: [WSG] xhtml strict break tag bug?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.designbyatfb.com/temp-images/xhtml/index3.html
above is the best I can do, remember I am an amatuer. Netscape and
Mozilla are ignoring a few br / tags in the html between the Webado
shop and Policy links, have no idea why.
That's because you have *3* BRs in between these two links instead of one.
But as I said, I don't see the purpose of these elements unless in the case
the document would appear unstyled.
So I think an easy way to take care of the whole thing is to use CSS to get
rid of them rather than trying to style them.
Try this:
.sidemenu br {display:none}
.sidemenu a {margin-bottom:2px}
That way, you can even keep the three BRs :)
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Regards,
Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com
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Re: [WSG] xhtml strict break tag bug?
on 17/11/2006 16:46 Thierry Koblentz said the following: snip On the other hand, I have a question regarding accessibility: is a BR element as good as a printable character when it comes to separate these links? No. As far as I am aware, it's equivalent to use whitespace to separate links - which means that it could create probems for some users. I'm not sure if JAWS 7 can audibly separate the links itself. Certainly, older screen readers will have problems and, probably, anyone using a braille display. Mel *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Interesting article: Beneath the Metadata - Some Philosophical Problems with Folksonomy
From D-Lib Magazine, v.12(11), 2006: http://www.dlib.org/dlib/november06/peterson/11peterson.html Excellent. Indeed: ... The logical step [of MicroFormats to de-centralize behaviour and appearance of tag-groups] - to add semantic in any way - is complex but nesessary, because it guides to the ability to make semantic definition dynamic/fluid and independent of centralized and incestious groups of interest. Semantics, and the nesessity of the demonstration of a specific semantic has to be defined by the user, has to be definable by the user - over time. Me about semantics on WhatWG. It's only sad that folksonomy and taxonomy stand in front of each other like armies, ready to fight to be 'right'. A possible compromise (like we have a boot-strap of basic tags, the rest get's invented on demand/need - our brain has a boot-stem for eating and sleeping, the rest get's invented on demand/need) isn't in sight. Ciao Niels *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] xhtml strict break tag bug?
Mel wrote: No. As far as I am aware, it's equivalent to use whitespace to separate links - which means that it could create probems for some users. I'm not sure if JAWS 7 can audibly separate the links itself. Certainly, older screen readers will have problems and, probably, anyone using a braille display. That's what I thought. Thanks Mel. --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] A little Friday fun
The week is drawing to an end...many of you have had a week of nightmare code and semantic nightmares...but never fear - have a listen to this song and know that you are not alone... http://www.esanity.co.uk/podcasts/HandsToBoag.mp3 Tonight I need your C-S-S, coding in the dark-ness... Very cool :-) Mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE doesnt pickup the anchor
On 16/11/2006, at 12:14 PM, Bojana Lalic wrote: The only problem is that the behaviour is inconsistent, sometimes it scrolls the result page to the correct location and sometimes it doesn't. It's not a page length thing is it? The page won't scroll if there is not enough length in the page after your :target to fill the browsers window kind regards Terrence Wood. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] A little Friday fun
haha, great way of starting the weekend. Have a nice one! Eugenio. On 11/17/06, Mike at Green-Beast.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The week is drawing to an end...many of you have had a week of nightmare code and semantic nightmares...but never fear - have a listen to this song and know that you are not alone... http://www.esanity.co.uk/podcasts/HandsToBoag.mp3 Tonight I need your C-S-S, coding in the dark-ness... Very cool :-) Mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: WebKit: '-khtml' ?!! (Was: Re: [WSG] Safari DOM inspector)
On Nov 18, 2006, at 8:23 AM, James Ellis wrote: If you run recent version of Konquerer you get a pretty good realisation of what Safari will render a site as - all you have to do us run a Linux box or if you don't want to do that run up a KDE distro Live CD like Kubuntu. There are quite a few bugs in Safari that don't show up in Konqueror, and vice-versa. example: E:last-child is completely br0ken in Safari but works fine in Konqueror. Mac users can install the whole KDE on top of OS X via the Fink project and run it side by side. Compiling took a little over 24 hours on my PowerBook. It runs wonderfully well. It's the right way to do vendor specific extensions to CSS e.g -moz- blah and -khtml-blah etc etc. So ,for instance, Gecko is supposed to ignore everything vendor specific and non -moz-*. I don't think IE has any -ie-* rules, -opera-* maybe ? dunno. For Opera: -o-* Afaik, MSIE didn't have any, up till now. I heard about -mso-, but not seen. Anyway, most of those vendor only extensions are for internal use only [*], and shouldn't be used in an author stylesheet. Except for a few that are implementations of css3 drafts, such as: - webkit-border-radius or -moz-border-radius, to name one that is relatively stable. Even then, use only on an experimental basis, the implementation could change, etc. [*] or for XUL in Gecko's case. Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Hardware/OS setup recommendations
This may be a little off topic but it relates to testing websites so... I'm thinking about upgrading and I'd like recommendations for what would be the best configuration for a freelancer working from home with a limited amount of space and resources. I'm after something that provides maximum flexibility when it comes to testing in OSes, browsers, screen resolutions. Am I able to do this with just one machine, e.g. a MacBook Pro running Parallels or a PC running some VM software or do I need to have separate machines? Likewise with monitors: do I need to have more than one or will one suffice as long as it's sufficiently large enough? Thanks John -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Hardware/OS setup recommendations
On Nov 17, 2006, at 10:12 PM, John Faulds wrote: I'm after something that provides maximum flexibility when it comes to testing in OSes, browsers, screen resolutions. Am I able to do this with just one machine, e.g. a MacBook Pro running Parallels or a PC running some VM software or do I need to have separate machines? John, as a freelancer myself I find having a powerful laptop with a reasonably big screen monitor when work at home really useful and productive. I sometimes need to meet clients at cafe or their offices, able to show them the work from my own computer to clients is really important for me. I have a Macbook Pro with Parallels installed, also have a browsercam- pool shared account (don't use it often but I realized it's good to have when my clients couldn't understand my repeated telling them what they see is not what other see from their monitors and browsers ) and an old PIII Dell PC I picked up from ebay few years ago but these days I rarely use it for browser testing because startup XP from Parallels is so much easier and convenient. Parallels Workstation is a fine product, runs very smooth and fast. As a Mac lover I would say go with the Mac however, if you are a PC user, the cost of switching maybe a bit higher. On the other hand, there are so many open source software at your disposal , and many shareware writers deliver high quality, affordable Mac software that don't really cost an arm and a leg. What I really appreciate these shareware writers is that, they produce something so nice from machine they truly love, take TextMate, CSSedit for example. State of the art is the word. Get rid of Apple Mouse though, that is a piece of pricey junk. Likewise with monitors: do I need to have more than one or will one suffice as long as it's sufficiently large enough? If you go with a laptop, having a monitor certainly is a wise choice. Good luck with your upgrade tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
