Re: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please
On Feb 21, 2007, at 2:28 AM, David Dorward wrote: Invisible text is hard to read against any background colour, and you can't depend on images being loaded. This thread started because of issues with alt text on image maps not showing up when images weren't there. ... that will teach me to read the whole thread! Have a look in my sandbox, i think i found a solution. http:// www.eatons.net/sandbox/no-map.html The OBJECT model Two ref's: http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/objects.html#edef-OBJECT http://www.htmlhelp.org/reference/html40/special/object.html It tested well in Firefox and Opera on the Mac (Note: OK, but not as well in Safari???) I don't know how it handles on Explorer in Windows??? -chuck *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please
Charles Eaton wrote: http://www.eatons.net/sandbox/no-map.html I doubt that http://dorward.me.uk/tmp/fake-image-map.png is the effect you are after. background-image: url(callforentries.gif); color:transparent; Invisible text is hard to read against any background colour, and you can't depend on images being loaded. This thread started because of issues with alt text on image maps not showing up when images weren't there. dl dtCall for entries 2007 Mississippi Gulf Coast Addy Awards /dt dd class=onea href=#1Enter Now To Win /a/dd dd class=twoa href=#2Contest Rules Click Here To Read More /a/dd dd class=threea href=#3View All Of The Current Entries /a/dd /dl Now those really aren't definitions of that term. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please
only a few validation issues... Failed validation, 210 errors in the new site with 191 in the old one On 2/20/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, I am in a desperate state. I am working for a .com.au and they are struggling with some of the more forward-thinking web development features that are around... Please take a look at www.cataloguecentral.com.au If you think it is poorly programmed, take a look at what it used to be (2 months ago): www.cataloguecentral.com.au/default5.asp I am trying my hardest to drag this business into 2007 but there is solid resistance Unfortunately, Catalogue Central have received some poor advice in the past and seem to still be receiving poor advice now. The issue at the moment is to do with the red drop down list/menu at the top left hand corner of the site People here want to expand the menu so that the contents of each list are printed down under each heading. Your thoughts pleaseIt's alright if you think the same way but I think a drop down menu, in this case, runs rings around the alternative Thanks for your thoughts. Christian Fagan. Fagan Design. www.fagandesign.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Cheers! Al Kendall *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please
I work so hard to have all pages validated XHTML 1.0 Strict and AAA accessible. Thanks for that 210 validation errors. Really gross. Any of my real pages validate, I feel so cheated apart for the loss of income, the defacement of W3C standards I try to hold high. My beloved authors would be distraught and embarrassed to see the errors and all loss of formatting. This is an abomination on any artist. Thanks Al I am waiting a bit before changing it to the graphic, just biding my time. Tim On 21/02/2007, at 8:25 PM, Al Kendall wrote: only a few validation issues... Failed validation, 210 errors in the new site with 191 in the old one On 2/20/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am in a desperate state. I am working for a .com.au and they are struggling with some of the more forward-thinking web development features that are around... Please take a look at www.cataloguecentral.com.au If you think it is poorly programmed, take a look at what it used to be (2 months ago): www.cataloguecentral.com.au/default5.asp I am trying my hardest to drag this business into 2007 but there is solid resistance Unfortunately, Catalogue Central have received some poor advice in the past and seem to still be receiving poor advice now. The issue at the moment is to do with the red drop down list/menu at the top left hand corner of the site People here want to expand the menu so that the contents of each list are printed down under each heading. Your thoughts pleaseIt's alright if you think the same way but I think a drop down menu, in this case, runs rings around the alternative Thanks for your thoughts. Christian Fagan. Fagan Design. www.fagandesign.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Cheers! Al Kendall *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please
I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the standards use of the map and area tags (like I'm doing here on the 2007 image of the left column: http://www.heliosdg.com/mgcaf/)? I did some testing by turning images off in IE7 and Firefox but the alt tag data doesn't appear. Does that mean screen readers can't find the information? Would it be best to provide a tags below the mapped image in case the image doesn't load? I also googled for web standards and the map area tags but didn't come up with much. Regards, Patrick Bruno Art Director Helios Design Group/JM Digital Corporation John C. Stennis Space Center Building 1210, Suite 116 Stennis Space Center, MS 39529 ph: 228-688-2522 cell: 601-425-4059 fax: 228-688-1566 www.heliosdg.com www.jmdigicorp.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:32:15 -, Patrick Bruno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the standards use of the map and area tags (like I'm doing here on the 2007 image of the left column: http://www.heliosdg.com/mgcaf/)? I did some testing by turning images off in IE7 and Firefox but the alt tag Attribute! data doesn't appear. Does that mean screen readers can't find the information? No (which is not to say that they can either), but it does mean that people using those browsers with images disabled (Gosh, bandwidth on Vodafone is expensive, I'll turn images off) will have problems. http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/html/mapalt.html is a good document on the subject. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ - Freshly redesigned *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please
W3C says: try to avoid server-side image maps [xhtml] a better setup (IMHO), is to use a definition list, drop your image in the background of the dl, giving it the image size, use dt and 3 dd's in a two row setup to overlay the image. add text [no display] and links, ... your in business. -chuck == On Feb 20, 2007, at 9:32 AM, Patrick Bruno wrote: I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the standards use of the map and area tags (like I'm doing here on the 2007 image of the left column: *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:36:18 -, Charles Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the standards use of the map and area tags (like I'm doing here on the 2007 image of the left column: W3C says: try to avoid server-side image maps [xhtml] If it is using area elements, then its a client side image map. a better setup (IMHO), is to use a definition list, drop your image in the background of the dl, giving it the image size, use dt and 3 dd's in a two row setup to overlay the image. add text [no display] and links, ... your in business. Suffers from the usual problems of FIR. i.e. No alt text if images are disabled and no content screen readers can get to. It also uses the rather dubious practise of having of a definition list as a generic key/values list. Also, I don't understand what content you expect to put in the term and what values you expect to put in the descriptions. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ - Freshly redesigned *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
ADMIN: THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please
Hi guys, This thread doesn't seem to be on topic - perhaps a design list would be more appropriate? If you need help getting a drop down (etc) to work, we're here for you, but what sort of design element to use isn't on topic. Sorry! Any further responses should go straight to Christian warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Core Group Member On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:24:46 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The issue at the moment is to do with the red drop down list/menu at the top left hand corner of the site People here want to expand the menu so that the contents of each list are printed down under each heading. Your thoughts pleaseIt's alright if you think the same way but I think a drop down menu, in this case, runs rings around the alternative *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
