Re: I'm looking for a job!

2001-01-03 Thread Tony Bowden

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:28:37AM -, Leo Lapworth wrote:
 If you know of any decent jobs please could you
 give me a yell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), and if anyone is
 interested my CV, with phone number, can be found at:

Guessing you're among the people who aren't interested in relocating?

We've a fairly senior Perl position opening at the minute if anyone
*is* interested in relocating. I'm sure Greg can enthuse better than us
about how great N. Ireland actually is to live :)

Tony
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Re: Perl Geek Code

2001-01-03 Thread Mark Fowler

PLPM++I answer questions (correctly) on #london.pm
 
 But aren't most of the questions on #london.pm of the form "shall we
 go down the pub then?", to which there is a simple answer that's
 almost always correct...

I toyed with the idea of taking this out, but I wanted it to be the same
as for PP, so that someone who is PP+++ is basically the same as someone
who is HLPM++ or suchlike...

Later.

Mark.

-- 
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
   Name  = 'Mark Fowler',Title = 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  = 'Profero Ltd',Web   = 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone = '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )








Re: new years eve

2001-01-03 Thread David Cantrell

On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 12:36:15AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 i can run a 1984 style campaign but it wouldn't be paranoia rules or
 even the paranoia setting

Sounds fun.  What rules would it be?  Or is that information not available
at my security clearance?

 if this is ok, how about 11/1/2001, my place

The 11th is good for me (you sure you don't mean Friday the 12th)

 however no alchohol allowed if its here ;-)

Eek!

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   The voices said it's a good day to clean my weapons.



Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-03 Thread Simon Wistow

Greg McCarroll wrote:

 next youll be saying top gun is considered bad

I do hope you're not being sarcastic. 

or are being sarcastic.

Or ... errm, whatever.

Top Gun is a top film (no pun intended) and Quentin Tarantino is a
jumped up little pissant wannabe with 'I wanna be a cool gang-sta but
I'm actually a white geek with bad hair who can't act' issues.

And all the quotes from his monologue[0] which claim that TG is actually
one huge homoerotic fantasy are wrong which just goes to show how
bullshit it all is.

Simon
[just call me Mav 'cos my parents didn't/don't like me either]

[0] From the film 'Sleep with Me' where QT plays Sid

http://www.godamongdirectors.com/scripts/sleep.shtml 

for a transcript. For example

'They're all hugging and kissing and happy with each other, and Ice
comes up to Maverick, and he says, "Man, you can ride my tail, anytime!"
And what does Maverick say? "You can ride mine!"'

They *never* say that. As any phul3 kn0 they say 'You can be my
_wingman_ anytime'

Sigh.



Re: new years eve

2001-01-03 Thread Peter Corlett

On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 12:36:15AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 [...] no alchohol allowed if its here ;-)

Heh, I'm just severely cutting back for the New Year. "One a day on average"
I told myself. I'm already on Friday...

 shit i just had a good idea for thursday night, i wonder how many cans of
 redbull i can drink in one night?

Oh, it's fairly easy to just /drink/ six to eight fairly quickly, but your
night will be rather long... I got through about half a gallon of vodka Red
Bulls on the New Year boozing session, and I finally got some sleep about
6am (and woke a couple of hours later.)



Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-03 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:

 Simon
 [who *lives* fro the 12 minute freebie of the Adult Channel at midnight]

Ah - Myself and a housemate once lived the 'free porn' episode of friends
- when we flicked thru he chennels and there was porn at 1am, I think we
got bored about 1:30am and from there flicked channels until we got sucked
into a painfully bad movie (apalling script, apalling dialogue) it was
truly awful (imagine red shoe diaries but much longer and without the
production script or acting quality)...

we a re both suckers for a bad film  we keep on telling ourselves it could
be realy good any minute now that really banal script will turn into a
beautifully crafted dialogue of wildesque prose but usually we are
bitterly disapointed. Beast of war was a pleasent surprise though.

A.

obPMRef: buffy

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complex system of signals he devised that was later adopted by the Royal 
Navy. " (this email has nothing to do with any organisation except me)






Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-03 Thread Peter Corlett

On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 10:38:14AM +, Simon Wistow wrote:
 Peter Corlett wrote:
 I didn't mean /that/ kind of "special" film... Just certain feel-good and
 insightful films.
 Are you saying that Hard Core porn isn't feel good and insightful?
 Feel's good for me

Well, it can give instant gratification, I guess, which can feel good, but
tends to leave one hollow later.

Then again, I'm not a sex fiend like most people I seem to meet. For
example, I have only just got round to checking out one of the DVDs I
brought back from Amsterdam a couple of months ago because bringing pr0n
back is one of those things one is apparently supposed to do...

[It's probably worth noting that the films are BBFC classified and also
available from Blackstar at £25 each, except that they were NLG 150 the
pair.]

 [who *lives* fro the 12 minute freebie of the Adult Channel at midnight]

When I was in student digs, I had a satellite dish pointed at Hot Bird and a
"special" card for Eurotica, so I had five hours of pr0n every evening. It
didn't do a thing for me, but the recordings paid my rent for six months ;)



Re: Getting keys of mappe @list = qw/foo bar foo baz/;d hash?

2001-01-03 Thread Piers Cawley

Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 OK, my brain has fried. 
 
 How can I do this:
 
   my @list = qw/foo bar foo baz/;
   my %hash = map { $_ = 1 } @men;
   my @sort = sort keys %hash;
   print "We have @sort\n"; # foo bar baz
 
 without the %hash?
 
 i.e. something akin to: my @sort = sort keys map { $_ = 1 } @list;
 
 I've tried so many variations that my brain is refusing to tell me the 
 correct answer.

my $last;
do {print $_ unless $_ eq $last; $last = $_} for sort @list

Dunno if it's quicker than the cunning tricks with map, but hey, it
works. 

-- 
Piers




Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-03 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  
  check beano's in croydon, they can be quite good - also skoob do some
  rare tapes (in sicillian ave, next to pc bookshop)
  
 
 Wow, Beano's still there ?  Its been there since I was a kid.  
 

good place as well, one of the many delights of Croydon

Did you know Terry and June was set in Croydon? see you don't have
to go to the comedy store for good comedy! nope croydon does just as
well - also i think davidson sometimes does his panto at the fairfield

i'd need to check, does anyone know? anyone? anyone? dean? ;-) [1]

Greg

[1] sorry dean, i couldnt resist

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irc again

2001-01-03 Thread Aaron Trevena


erm.. whats the irc channel for london.pm again.

I spose I'll have to download bitchx as well now.

A.

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complex system of signals he devised that was later adopted by the Royal 
Navy. " (this email has nothing to do with any organisation except me)






Re: irc again

2001-01-03 Thread Michael Stevens

On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:49:58AM +, Aaron Trevena wrote:
 erm.. whats the irc channel for london.pm again.
 I spose I'll have to download bitchx as well now.

irc.rhizomatic.net #london.pm

Michael



Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-03 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Greg McCarroll wrote:
 
  next youll be saying top gun is considered bad
 
 Top Gun is a top film (no pun intended) and Quentin Tarantino is a
 jumped up little pissant wannabe with 'I wanna be a cool gang-sta but
 I'm actually a white geek with bad hair who can't act' issues.

i agree, its a class film, and i wasnt being sarcastic in any way at all

i was watching it with a dutch friend recently (4am) and we were really
really drunk, i mean like a whole different league on from the worst
london.pm meeting - do you remember the guys Gellyfish got slaughtered
at YAPC::Europe? well they looked sober to us, anyway the point is i
seem to remember calling his ex-girlfriend on his nokia communicator
in loud speaker mode and singing the song down it as loudly as possible

then doing the same 10 minutes later after he had tried to teach me
the words in dutch

then at the power guitar bit at the end singing that down the phone

it was about then his flatmate came through to complaign

 And all the quotes from his monologue[0] which claim that TG is actually
 one huge homoerotic fantasy are wrong which just goes to show how
 bullshit it all is.

unlike ``Top C*ck'' the 1992 american soft pr0n film, where young men
from around the world come together to compete at the Top Stud academy
training to be the finest studs in the world. Just before the completion
of their training my the hot blonde bombshell Nelly McMuffins they
are alerted of an arab warlords harem is on the radar and are flew out
to use their new knowledge.

- err actually i just made this up
- err, making that sort of thing up is probably worse that watching it

i'll get my coat ...

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: irc again

2001-01-03 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:49:58AM +, Aaron Trevena wrote:
  erm.. whats the irc channel for london.pm again.
  I spose I'll have to download bitchx as well now.
 
 irc.rhizomatic.net #london.pm
 

london.rhizomatic.net

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: irc again

2001-01-03 Thread Michael Stevens

On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 12:56:38PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:49:58AM +, Aaron Trevena wrote:
   erm.. whats the irc channel for london.pm again.
   I spose I'll have to download bitchx as well now.
  irc.rhizomatic.net #london.pm
 london.rhizomatic.net

I prefer irc. YMMV.



Re: Getting keys of mappe @list = qw/foo bar foo baz/;d hash?

2001-01-03 Thread Tony Bowden

On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:16:06AM +, Piers Cawley wrote:
  How can I do this:
my @list = qw/foo bar foo baz/;
my %hash = map { $_ = 1 } @men;
my @sort = sort keys %hash;
print "We have @sort\n"; # foo bar baz
  without the %hash?

 my $last;
 do {print $_ unless $_ eq $last; $last = $_} for sort @list
 Dunno if it's quicker than the cunning tricks with map, but hey, it
 works. 

Ah, but my question was badly phrased. I needed to end up with @sort, not
a printed list ... 

The result of this was heading towards another couple of maps ;)

I had found the solution long before this turned up though (stupidly
forgot to update my .muttrc for the new list address, so I had to go
through moderation again ...) - just a matter of doubling those curly
brackets (no need for all those +s etc...)

Thanks,

Tony
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  you move in waves like the midnight blues you vector of this weird dis-ease
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Re: irc again

2001-01-03 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 12:56:38PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  * Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
   On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:49:58AM +, Aaron Trevena wrote:
erm.. whats the irc channel for london.pm again.
I spose I'll have to download bitchx as well now.
   irc.rhizomatic.net #london.pm
  london.rhizomatic.net
 
 I prefer irc. YMMV.

there is clearly some form of uncleaness in your life ;-)

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: [OT] Perl Agents

2001-01-03 Thread Tony Bowden

On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 02:14:15PM -, Dean S Wilson wrote:
 PS Is Blackstar looking for Junior coders? Never been to Ireland ;)

'fraid not ...

We're looking for someone (or possibly sometwo, but probably only
someone), for a very senior position - in the 35k+ range. (That's
an NI salary - not sure what the equivalent London salary would be).

i.e. someone more senior than our current seniors, who would be
responsible for working on deep core stuff, as well as training/reviewing
the current senior and junior programmers...

Tony

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Re: [OT] Perl Agents

2001-01-03 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Tony Bowden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 02:14:15PM -, Dean S Wilson wrote:
  PS Is Blackstar looking for Junior coders? Never been to Ireland ;)
 
 'fraid not ...
 
 We're looking for someone (or possibly sometwo, but probably only
 someone), for a very senior position - in the 35k+ range. (That's
 an NI salary - not sure what the equivalent London salary would be).

the equivalent for London would be (works out the house prices, COL etc)
50~55K, imho

-- 
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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-03 Thread David H. Adler

On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 12:53:32PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 
 unlike ``Top C*ck'' the 1992 american soft pr0n film, where young men
 from around the world come together to compete at the Top Stud academy
 training to be the finest studs in the world. Just before the completion
 of their training my the hot blonde bombshell Nelly McMuffins they
 are alerted of an arab warlords harem is on the radar and are flew out
 to use their new knowledge.
 
 - err actually i just made this up
 - err, making that sort of thing up is probably worse that watching it

I imagine that that would be the best storyline for a pr0n film in
years.  I'm under the impression that there hasn't been such a film
worth watching for the film (they used to actually make them as actual
*films*, you see...) since the wonderfully titled Wanda Whips Wall
Street.

dha, who probably knows more about this than he should...

-- 
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"You can't give a 4 to truth." - Saul Williams



Re: Apache Mods in use

2001-01-03 Thread Mark Fowler

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Dean S Wilson wrote:

 Mod_Perl is third on the list, beaten by FrontPage! Oh the shame ;)
 
 http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.200012/apachemods.html

I agree with Eric Eisenhart's comments on use.perl.org 
(http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/01/01/2044233mode=flat)

To quote:

I think there's one very significant contributing factor: you don't have
to install a module to use Perl and installing a module is the easiest way
to use PHP. 

IOW: if you just want to allow people to use Perl and PHP, you only
install mod_php, not mod_perl. Once you've reached a point where
performance of Perl programs is an issue (or you want to do something more
interesting than a CGI) mod_perl is likely to get installed.

Later.

Mark.

P.S. Magnus, why don't you people do this kind of stuff?

-- 
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
   Name  = 'Mark Fowler',Title = 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  = 'Profero Ltd',Web   = 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone = '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )








JOB: At A Very Well-Known Company

2001-01-03 Thread Dave Cross

I posted something like this a couple of weeks ago, but Adam tells me
that they're looking for another person with a similar skillset. If
you're interested, contact Adam, not me.

Cheers,

Dave...

- Forwarded message from Adam Bassett [EMAIL PROTECTED] -

From: Adam Bassett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Perl-mongers listing.
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:37:40 - 

Hi Dave,

Thanks for agreeing to place the job role through the Perl Mongers web site.
As before the job details are below, I would appreciate is if you could
please keep the client confidential at this stage.  If you know anybody
personally who you may feel would like to know more about the job then
please put them in touch with me.

Thanks for your help, hopefully we'll grab lunch in a couple of weeks if
that's okay?

Best regards 

Adam

The skills are required for someone to look after the live data feeds:

Strong Perl (including DBI).
Strong UNIX.
Reasonable SQL, with a knowledge of Oracle (or similar DBMS).
Must know basics of HTML and XML.
Must understand CGI and have a good/ general web knowledge.
Knowledge of C would be good for the THM migration.

Java/JavaScript, etc skills are not necessary for feed work, although the
basics should be understood by any candidate.


Adam Bassett
Technical Consultant
Maxim Group
A Division of Aerotek Europe
Information Technology Consultants
Therese House   
29-30 Glass House Yard  
London, EC1A 4JN
Tel:  +44(0) 20  7608 8308
Fax: +44(0) 20  7608 8301
http://www.aerotek.com
http://www.maximgroup.com

- End forwarded message -

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tommorow nights meeting

2001-01-03 Thread Greg McCarroll


i have a pile of freebies left over from the conference (YAPC::Europe) that
i can give away tommorow night

i've reduced the lot to the good stuff, which includes, lots of BSD devil
horns (bring digital camera's tommorow night!), some freebsd cd's, 
lots of Perl5 pocket references (courtesy of those lovely people at ORA,
providers of high quality technical books), some designer YAPC bags
and a two spare t-shirts (but i think at least one of the t-shirts
has mr wistow's name on it (if the other person who is owed a t-shirt
shouts out before tommorow nights meeting i'll reserve it for them)

also i started laying out the few mp3's i have and some of the schedule
of the conference into a website tonight, so expect movement on that
front rsn,

greg


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Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: Getting keys of mapped hash?

2001-01-03 Thread Shevek

On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Peter Corlett wrote:

 On Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 06:35:18PM +, Tony Bowden wrote:
  i.e. something akin to: my @sort = sort keys map { $_ = 1 } @list;
 
 I'm thinking that this might work:
 
 my @sort=sort keys %{ +{ map { $_ = undef } @list } };

Maybe I'm missing something here, but how is this different to

my @sort = sort @list;

?

S.

--
Shevek
I am the Borg.
sub AUTOLOAD { ($s=$AUTOLOAD)=~s/.*:://; eval qq{ *$AUTOLOAD=$s
?sub {$s*{$s-1}} :sub {1}; }; goto $AUTOLOAD; } print {'4'}; 




Re: Getting keys of mapped hash?

2001-01-03 Thread alex

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Shevek wrote:
  my @sort=sort keys %{ +{ map { $_ = undef } @list } };
 Maybe I'm missing something here, but how is this different to
 my @sort = sort @list;

values in @sort are unique?