Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Simon Wilcox

Just saw this linked from a hugely obvious banner ad on the Register :

http://training.gbdirect.co.uk/courses/perl/for_the_register.html

Great idea to tie it in to a success story I thought.

Simon.



Re: www.gateway.gov.uk

2001-06-13 Thread Chris Devers

At 07:14 AM 2001.06.13 +0100, Chris Benson wrote:
I need to read the news more often, I was thinking about Louisiana!
I also need to get a better grip of the geography: I thought
LA. was the Florida side of Mississippi and Alabama.

No, it's the place where I was born -- Lower Alabama. Also refers 
to nearby Literate Mississippi, where the joke, it is generally 
noticed, is missed entirely by the locals.




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Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Richard Clamp

On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 01:15:17PM +0100, Simon Wilcox wrote:
 Just saw this linked from a hugely obvious banner ad on the Register :
 
 http://training.gbdirect.co.uk/courses/perl/for_the_register.html
 
 Great idea to tie it in to a success story I thought.

Grumble grumble.

At least they only claim to be the maintenance team.  Almost like
boasting about being the team sent in to fetch the team sent in to
rescue the hostages.

If on the other hand you want the dev team, I'm sure Barbie and I
could figure something to tell you for the right amount of beer.

I'm half tempted to see what they'd teach me though... :)

-- 
Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Dave Thorn

On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 03:37:19PM +0100, Richard Clamp wrote:
 
 If on the other hand you want the dev team, I'm sure Barbie and I

*cough*

oh hang on, do I really want to be associated with the bastards?

 could figure something to tell you for the right amount of beer.

that settles it, yes.  everything's for sale, even pride.

 I'm half tempted to see what they'd teach me though... :)

pipe-lagging?  martial arts?  surfing?  personal hygiene? ;)

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Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Merijn Broeren

Quoting Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 
 At least they only claim to be the maintenance team.  Almost like
 boasting about being the team sent in to fetch the team sent in to
 rescue the hostages.
 
Hang on, that still sounds like the original team needed to be rescued.
I'd change that statement to 'boasting about being the team shining 
the boots and greasing the pickaxes of the team sent in to rescue the
hostages'. Who are now apparently enjoying their beer. ;-)

Cheers,
-- 
Merijn Broeren | 
Software Geek  | Yield to temptation; it may not pass your way again. 
   | 



Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Richard Clamp

On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 03:43:27PM +0100, Dave Thorn wrote:
  I'm half tempted to see what they'd teach me though... :)
 
  personal hygiene? ;)

So that's why you never come home anymore...

-- 
Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Dave Thorn

On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 03:47:40PM +0100, Richard Clamp wrote:
 On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 03:43:27PM +0100, Dave Thorn wrote:
   I'm half tempted to see what they'd teach me though... :)
  
   personal hygiene? ;)
 
 So that's why you never come home anymore...

I'm sorry. I didn't want you to find out this way...

-- 
dave thorn | [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Simon Wistow

Dave Thorn wrote:

 that settles it, yes.  everything's for sale, even pride.

London Pride?



-- 
simon wistowwireless systems coder
 only second toughest



Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Dave Thorn

On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 03:59:54PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
 Dave Thorn wrote:
 
  that settles it, yes.  everything's for sale, even pride.
 
 London Pride?

obviously.  they don't just give it away or hoard it, y'know?

-- 
dave thorn | [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: [Possible Job] Perl, Linux

2001-06-13 Thread Simon Cozens

On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 07:44:11AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 Are there any of you lot still looking for jobs? 

Still open? I think I might have someone for you.

-- 
If you give a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day. If you set a man on fire, 
he'll be warm for the rest of his life.





Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Lucy McWilliam


On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Dave Thorn wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 03:59:54PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
  Dave Thorn wrote:
 
   that settles it, yes.  everything's for sale, even pride.
 
  London Pride?

 obviously.  they don't just give it away...

Shame.


L.
Beer good.




Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Dave Thorn

On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 04:09:16PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
 
 Beer good.

beer : no beer

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dave thorn | [EMAIL PROTECTED]



London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-06-11

2001-06-13 Thread Leon Brocard

This is the twenty-first weekly summary of the London Perl Mongers
mailing list. This is brought to you from yapc::NorthAmerica during
Brian Ingerson's CPAN, PPM and the Future talk. For the quiet week
starting 2001-06-04:

Don't forget the London.pm website for meetings etc. The next meeting
is an technical meeting on the 21st, and then a social meeting on
Thursday 5th July. Some pictures were taken of the last meeting:
http://london.pm.org/
http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/london.pm/2001-06-07/
http://husk.org/perl/pics/

Paul Makepeace posted some posting statistics for the list. Greg
posted ny.pm stats. People gave thanks. People complained about the
noise *being* the signal (it's signal, Jim, but not as we know it):
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg06626.html

Jonathan Stowe mentioned www.gateway.gov.uk, the new UK government
portal wotsit, not working on any other platforms other than IE on
Windows. There followed a huge thread - basically, they're being
stupid and we should all complain to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Matthew Robinson asked about changing the default library paths in a
compiled copy of Perl. Iffy solutions: symbolic links, PERL5LIB, doing
a global replace. Best solution: get a compiler.

I wrote a blogging bot for the #london.pm IRC channel on
irc.rhizomatic.net. See what people have been talking about in the
past week and right now:
http://astray.com/scribot/2001-06-11.html
http://astray.com/scribot/

YAPC::Europe registration was announced:
http://yapc.org/Europe/

Simon Wistow asked about a persistent Perl daemon (much like mod_perl)
but in a general case, keeping a bytecode cache and making programs
run faster in the long run. See ByteCache. There was some discussion,
but it's probably too much work for too little gain.

In other news: Microsoft SQL Server sucking (SQueaL), Sun Ultra
Enterprise 1, google++, the Sony Clie being small and cute,
checking out pubs for the next meet, buffy, search.cpan.org being
hacked (Catalog module apparently), 'back doors' in Linux,
obnoxious sigs: and a geeknic with an inflatable penguin:
http://www.tpc.org/tpch/results/h-ttperf.idc
http://www.sonystyle.com/micros/clie/
http://buffy.slayers.co.uk/ShowStrip.asp?CS=1
http://homepage.tinet.ie/~cullenm/2dart/regi.jpg
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg06738.html
http://husk.org/lndn/circ/compat/DSCF0102.jpg

Eh?, leon
-- 
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Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/

... Have you seen Quasimoto? I have a hunch he's back!



Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Mark Fowler

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Lucy McWilliam wrote:

 Beer good.

Beer Foamy.

-- 
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 http://www.twoshortplanks.com/  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
';use Term'Cap;$t=Tgetent Term'Cap{};print$t-Tputs(cl);for$w(split/  +/
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Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Lucy McWilliam


On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:

 On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Lucy McWilliam wrote:

  Beer good.

 Beer Foamy.

Only when you add bubble bath...


L.
A young, female, non-bearded, non-jumpered members of CAMRA?  *shock*





Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick

On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 04:09:16PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
 On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Dave Thorn wrote:
  On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 03:59:54PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
   Dave Thorn wrote:
that settles it, yes.  everything's for sale, even pride.
   London Pride?
  obviously.  they don't just give it away...
 Shame.
 Beer good.

It's a real pity, then, that most places don't have the first clue how to
keep London Pride, and it often tastes a lot worse than it can at its best.

MBM




Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Barbie

From: Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 01:15:17PM +0100, Simon Wilcox wrote:
  Just saw this linked from a hugely obvious banner ad on the Register :
 
  http://training.gbdirect.co.uk/courses/perl/for_the_register.html
 
  Great idea to tie it in to a success story I thought.

 Grumble grumble.

 At least they only claim to be the maintenance team.  Almost like
 boasting about being the team sent in to fetch the team sent in to
 rescue the hostages.

 If on the other hand you want the dev team, I'm sure Barbie and I
 could figure something to tell you for the right amount of beer.

Only just seen this!

They probably could only get away with saying they maintain it due to the
amount of complex stuff in there, and potential legal implications if they
said they designed it. But I'll agree with The Goth here, do we really want
to associate with the buggers?

 I'm half tempted to see what they'd teach me though... :)

Seeing as they're in Bradford, perhaps how to make damn fine curries. That's
it, you've convinced me, where do I sign up?

Barbie





Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Barbie

From: Lucy McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Beer good.

But Guinness is better ;)

Barbie





Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-06-11

2001-06-13 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 04:41:56PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
 In other news: Microsoft SQL Server sucking (SQueaL), Sun Ultra
 Enterprise 1, google++, the Sony Clie being small and cute,
 checking out pubs for the next meet, buffy, search.cpan.org being
 hacked (Catalog module apparently), 'back doors' in Linux,
 obnoxious sigs: and a geeknic with an inflatable penguin:
 http://www.tpc.org/tpch/results/h-ttperf.idc
 http://www.sonystyle.com/micros/clie/
 http://buffy.slayers.co.uk/ShowStrip.asp?CS=1
 http://homepage.tinet.ie/~cullenm/2dart/regi.jpg
 http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg06738.html
 http://husk.org/lndn/circ/compat/DSCF0102.jpg

Regarding the CLIE, I found a cool toy today: JogEverything.  It needs
hackmaster, but it makes the otherwise useless wheel actually do
something useful in most apps:

http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=11560

-Dom

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Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Nicholas Clark

On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 03:57:08PM +0100, Dave Thorn wrote:
 On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 03:59:54PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
  Dave Thorn wrote:
  
   that settles it, yes.  everything's for sale, even pride.
  
  London Pride?
 
 obviously.  they don't just give it away or hoard it, y'know?

There were posters up at London Bridge station about a promotion where the
pubs on various of the London stations were giving away free pints, different
days for different stations. I first saw the poster on May 5th.
The promotions were either on May 3rd or May 2nd.
Now, as the poster had a nice big picture of London Pride on it (IIRC) it
is unlikely that I would have walked past it for even 1 day without noticing
it. So I wonder if the cheeky buggers only put the posters up after the event.

Nicholas Clark



BUG: Tie::Hash::Rank

2001-06-13 Thread David Cantrell

I spotted a bug in Tie::Hash::Rank, which would break the DELETE and EXISTS
methods.  It's fixed in v 1.0.1 which is winging its way to CPAN as we speak.

Oops.

-- 
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/

  Good advice is always certain to be ignored,
  but that's no reason not to give it-- Agatha Christie



Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Nicholas Clark wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 03:57:08PM +0100, Dave Thorn wrote:
  On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 03:59:54PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
   Dave Thorn wrote:
  
that settles it, yes.  everything's for sale, even pride.
  
   London Pride?
 
  obviously.  they don't just give it away or hoard it, y'know?

 There were posters up at London Bridge station about a promotion where the
 pubs on various of the London stations were giving away free pints, different
 days for different stations. I first saw the poster on May 5th.
 The promotions were either on May 3rd or May 2nd.
 Now, as the poster had a nice big picture of London Pride on it (IIRC) it
 is unlikely that I would have walked past it for even 1 day without noticing
 it. So I wonder if the cheeky buggers only put the posters up after the event.


They had it at Cannon Street a few weeks ago on free offer - I had a
couple of free cans of it.  However they have it cheap in cans and I have
a couple most nights :)

/J\




bk strikes again

2001-06-13 Thread Dave Cross

It's all been pretty civilised over on the Cookwook board recently which has
made a nice change. I suspect it might all kick off again tho' when bk sees
my response to his contribution to this thread:

http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=5205

Dave...

-- 

  Drugs are just bad m'kay




Re: bk strikes again

2001-06-13 Thread Matthew Robinson

I have managed to resist the temptation to join previous  flame wars with bk
but I was feeling weak this time :(

Matt

--
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s$#!uojsqs(.)chr(ord($1)-1)ges(.*)reverse $1see

- Original Message -
From: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:53 PM
Subject: bk strikes again


 It's all been pretty civilised over on the Cookwook board recently which
has
 made a nice change. I suspect it might all kick off again tho' when bk
sees
 my response to his contribution to this thread:

 http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=5205

 Dave...

 --

   Drugs are just bad m'kay





Tie::Hash::Transactional

2001-06-13 Thread David Cantrell

Go me!  Tie::Hash::Transactional is written.  It implements a hash which
you can checkpoint and rollback.

I'll put it on my website as soon as my victim^Wlovely volunteer tester
has had a chance to play with it.

It was disgustingly easy to write - took about an hour, most of which was
writing the docs and the tests.

-- 
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/

  Good advice is always certain to be ignored,
  but that's no reason not to give it-- Agatha Christie



Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Barbie wrote:

 They probably could only get away with saying they maintain it due to the
 amount of complex stuff in there, and potential legal implications if they
 said they designed it. But I'll agree with The Goth here, do we really want
 to associate with the buggers?
 
  I'm half tempted to see what they'd teach me though... :)

hmmm .. whilst I don't know what their Perl skills are like I do know
they are a generally clueful outfit .. ISTR one of the founders has his
name on more than one UNIX book of repute ...

-- 
Robin Szemeti   

Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World 



Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Barbie [easynet]

From: Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Barbie wrote:

  They probably could only get away with saying they maintain it due to
the
  amount of complex stuff in there, and potential legal implications if
they
  said they designed it. But I'll agree with The Goth here, do we really
want
  to associate with the buggers?
 
   I'm half tempted to see what they'd teach me though... :)

 hmmm .. whilst I don't know what their Perl skills are like I do know
 they are a generally clueful outfit .. ISTR one of the founders has his
 name on more than one UNIX book of repute ...

Richard, The Goth and I were referring to The Register not the GBDirect
people.

Barbie.




Re: www.gateway.gov.uk

2001-06-13 Thread Mike Jarvis

Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 1:16:12 AM, Dave Cross wrote:

DC On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 10:55:17PM -0500, Mike Jarvis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
 Larry speaks in a bit over 9 hours.  Yippee!

DC Actually - he doesn't :)

DC http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/06/12/2255236

It all worked out ok.  Daminan filled in, and was great as always.  I
would have liked to see Larry, but Damian's a great second choice.

-- 
mike





Re: Training anyone ?

2001-06-13 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Barbie [easynet] wrote:
 From: Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Barbie wrote:
 
   They probably could only get away with saying they maintain it due to
 the
   amount of complex stuff in there, and potential legal implications if
 they
   said they designed it. But I'll agree with The Goth here, do we really
 want
   to associate with the buggers?
  
I'm half tempted to see what they'd teach me though... :)
 
  hmmm .. whilst I don't know what their Perl skills are like I do know
  they are a generally clueful outfit .. ISTR one of the founders has his
  name on more than one UNIX book of repute ...
 
 Richard, The Goth and I were referring to The Register not the GBDirect
 people.

right .. got it ..

I'll just keep quiet lest I put my foot in it ...again :)

-- 
Robin Szemeti   

Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World 



Re: [Possible Job] Perl, Linux

2001-06-13 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 07:44:11AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
  Are there any of you lot still looking for jobs? 
 
 Still open? I think I might have someone for you.

I was fishing on behalf of a client who may well need a perl linux
person in the short to medium term. So, the answer's no for the
moment although when the time's right it looks like there will be
people.

Does that make sense?


-- 
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Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy