Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 10:15:27AM +, Michael Stevens wrote: On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 10:06:07AM +, Paul Mison wrote: On 22/02/2001 at 16:24 +, Dave Cross wrote: IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk, but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third level domains with only two characters :( But organisations as diverse as the British Library, Parliament, the police and the NHS all get second level domains in the UK heirarchy. Grr. Argh. (The British Library can be found at http://bl.uk/ which is probably the shortest possible UK web server address.) That's for legacy reasons, IIRC. There's still a lot of suckage there. Do our beloved[1] leaders really need: gov.uk govt.uk parliament.uk ? There is a distinction to be drawn (which is kind of important, especially if you're a member of the opposition) between parliament.uk and gov.uk. Dunno what govt.uk is doing there though. -- Piers
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Richard Clamp wrote: On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 05:07:31PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: So, no http://london.pm/ right now :-( But maybe in the future![1] Deja-Vu. We (being other people on the list, and not actually me) tried this about 2 years ago, with almost exactly the same results. Back then they were going to do it 'in the future' or 'never' too. I still have a bunch of e-mails from the guy who runs the islands ISP ... I actually think that it was worse than that - people had been using the .pm TLD and then AFNIC got a little eggy about it and stopped them. Mind this kind of behaviour is a feature of all aspects of France's administration of its overseas territories not just internet domain registration. /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe | http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one http://www.tackleway.co.uk |
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
On 22/02/2001 at 16:24 +, Dave Cross wrote: IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk, but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third level domains with only two characters :( But organisations as diverse as the British Library, Parliament, the police and the NHS all get second level domains in the UK heirarchy. Grr. Argh. (The British Library can be found at http://bl.uk/ which is probably the shortest possible UK web server address.) Full list, courtesy Robin and IRC: perform dig @ns1.nic.uk uk axfr on your Unix box of choice. Silly registrars. Silly rules. Some registrars are sillier than others. -- :: paul :: join us in creating excellence
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
* Paul Makepeace ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: "Leon Brocard" [EMAIL PROTECTED] On a... related... topic: http://paris.mongueurs.net/ "Il y a davantage que l'one-way pour le faire" Has anyone yet called French a glue language for English? If anyone does, take a video camera and post it. You'd need a PhD in chemistry or work for Pixar to get fireworks like that :-) i'm not sure if its just a glue language, i think there is some sort pig latin thing going on as well ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 22/02/2001 at 16:24 +, Dave Cross wrote: IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk, but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third level domains with only two characters :( But organisations as diverse as the British Library... Perl users apparently. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 10:15:27AM +, Michael Stevens wrote: On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 10:06:07AM +, Paul Mison wrote: On 22/02/2001 at 16:24 +, Dave Cross wrote: IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk, but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third level domains with only two characters :( But organisations as diverse as the British Library, Parliament, the police and the NHS all get second level domains in the UK heirarchy. Grr. Argh. (The British Library can be found at http://bl.uk/ which is probably the shortest possible UK web server address.) That's for legacy reasons, IIRC. There's still a lot of suckage there. Do our beloved[1] leaders really need: gov.uk govt.uk parliament.uk ? And I think that national-engineering-laboratory.uk is taking the piss, too. -Dom [1] *choke*
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
Jonathan Stowe wrote: I still have a bunch of e-mails from the guy who runs the islands ISP ... SPMcable? I actually think that it was worse than that - people had been using the .pm TLD and then AFNIC got a little eggy about it and stopped them. Which probably explains the number of IP addresses in links on http://www.st-pierre-et-miquelon.com/ . One of the IP addresses resolves backwards, for example, to spm.pm, but this address doesn't resolve forwards. But how could they use .pm without AFNIC's consent? Isn't it they who feed the root servers which enable people to do a DNS query on the .pm zone? There was also a site I looked at where someone was complaining about the deplorable state of Internet connections that appear to prevail there. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
* Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 22/02/2001 at 16:24 +, Dave Cross wrote: IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk, but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third level domains with only two characters :( But organisations as diverse as the British Library... Perl users apparently. as are the people behind the OED IIRC thats a nice little advocacy idea a ``word association'' concept where you start out with something like the british library (perl users), go to OED (perl users) i.e. library - dictionary and so on, until we get a long list of people who use perl but in a neat relationship sequence thats the sort of silly game we could almost get published on www.perl.com, so who can go next British Library Oxford English Dictionary -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, you wrote: Has anyone yet called French a glue language for English? ahh ... but what it boils down to is you are indulging in a little horse play at the expense of our Gallic freinds. it is amusing to make thes little remarks on the hoof is it not? .. -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!
RE: No http://london.pm/ :-(
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, you wrote: From: Robin Szemeti [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Has anyone yet called French a glue language for English? ahh ... but what it boils down to is you are indulging in a little horse play at the expense of our Gallic freinds. it is amusing to make thes little remarks on the hoof is it not? .. There's a sweet irony in describing English as a global Lingua Franca... particularly given the sensitivities of our Gallic brethren - quite galling for them I'm sure :-) hmm .. what .. err .. I was just trying to get to use the words horse, hoof and boils down just because someone mentioned French and glue in the same sentence .. if you are trying to construct some sort of reasoned argument out it .. well ... ok .. I'll give it a go ;)) -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!
No http://london.pm/ :-(
Someone brought up the possibility of the domain name london.pm. I wanted to know whether that was possible. .pm stands for St. Pierre et Miquelon, which belongs to France (if I'm not mistaken, that's two small islands off the coast of Canada), and AFNIC, the French NIC, is responsible for .pm. So I asked them whether it's possible to register a domain in .pm for non-residents, and got back the following answer: Le .pm n'est pas encore ouvert; nous ne connaissons pas encore les regles pour avoir un .pm mais il sera gere par l'AFNIC. L'AFNIC gere seulement le .fr pour le moment. For non-frog-speakers, Babelfish offers the following translation: The pm is not yet open; we do not know the rules yet to have a pm but it will be managed by the AFNIC. The AFNIC manages only the fr for the moment. So, no http://london.pm/ right now :-( But maybe in the future![1] Philip Newton [1] Though when I poked around a little, it appears to be a little involved to obtain a .fr domain for non-residents of France. And it has to be applied for through a French ISP (or an international ISP that operates in France as well)[2]. AFNIC charges the ISP 39 EUR or 18 EUR for creation of the domain name (depending on the plan they chose) and 15 EUR annually, so prices direct from ISP will be no lower than that. Apparently, individuals are encouraged to register under .nom.fr since http://www.nic.fr/english/register/charter.html says .fr is for "French companies with SIREN/SIRET number". [2] A list is at http://www.nic.fr/cgi-bin/conv ; it says 969 total. -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 05:07:31PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: So, no http://london.pm/ right now :-( But maybe in the future![1] Deja-Vu. We (being other people on the list, and not actually me) tried this about 2 years ago, with almost exactly the same results. Back then they were going to do it 'in the future' or 'never' too. Don't start holding your breath just yet. -- Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
At Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:12:23 +, Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 05:07:31PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: So, no http://london.pm/ right now :-( But maybe in the future![1] Deja-Vu. We (being other people on the list, and not actually me) tried this about 2 years ago, with almost exactly the same results. Back then they were going to do it 'in the future' or 'never' too. Don't start holding your breath just yet. IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk, but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third level domains with only two characters :( Silly registrars. Silly rules. Dave...
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 04:12:23PM +, Richard Clamp wrote: On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 05:07:31PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: So, no http://london.pm/ right now :-( But maybe in the future![1] Deja-Vu. We (being other people on the list, and not actually me) tried this about 2 years ago, with almost exactly the same results. Back then they were going to do it 'in the future' or 'never' too. At the time, it was French government policy to not let their colonies use their TLDs and instead force them all to use .fr. That seems to have changed in the last few months. Don't start holding your breath just yet. I was causing some trouble over this very recently*. And with some success! Whilst AFNIC will continue to run the registry, they will be allowing registrations 'soon'. They are currently consulting the people of .pm to establish the rules the registry will operate under. * - which involved the islan's ISP, a couple of other .pm businesses and community groups, and a plan to approach ICANN and have the domain taken away from AFNIC on the grounds that they were not properly administering it. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced ** I read encrypted mail first, so encrypt if your message is important ** PGP signature
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
Philip Newton sent the following bits through the ether: Someone brought up the possibility of the domain name london.pm. On a... related... topic: http://paris.mongueurs.net/ Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... "Bother," said Pooh as the brakes went out!
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
Leon Brocard wrote: On a... related... topic: http://paris.mongueurs.net/ Wow. I especially like the second paragraph. It seemed like an exercise in "how many times can we fit the words qw[Paris France Perl] into three sentences". But the final sentence appears to bear them out :-) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
Dave Cross wrote: IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk, but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third level domains with only two characters :( You could try pm.org. Oh, wait, you've already got that ;). Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
