[lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 23.10 (mantic) is approaching its End of Life (11 July 2024)

[Chris Guiver]

If you’re using Lubuntu 23.10 (or any other Ubuntu 23.10 or 23.10 flavor),
please be warned that EOL warnings are now out; meaning you’re in the last
six weeks of supported life.

---
Ubuntu announced its 23.10 (Mantic Minotaur) release almost 9 months ago,
on October 12, 2023 and its support period is now nearing its end. Ubuntu
23.10 will reach end of life on July 11, 2024.

At that time, Ubuntu Security Notices will no longer include information or
updated packages for Ubuntu 23.10.

The supported upgrade path from Ubuntu 23.10 is via Ubuntu 24.04 LTS
---

So if you’re using Lubuntu 23.10 still, please plan your release-upgrade
somewhat soon, and refer to this page in our manual for upgrade
instructions, and note any warnings in the Lubuntu 24.04 LTS release notes
, or Ubuntu 24.04 LTS release notes.

Links:

1:
https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/lubuntu-23-10-mantic-minotaur-released/4606
2:
https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2024/06/05/ubuntu-23-10-mantic-minotaur-reaches-end-of-life-on-july-11-2024/
3: https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/D/upgrading.html
4: https://lubuntu.me/noble-released/
5:
https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-24-04-lts-noble-numbat-release-notes/39890
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[lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 24.04 LTS Released!

[Simon Quigley]

Thanks to the hard work from our contributors, Lubuntu 24.04 LTS has 
been released. With the codename Noble Numbat, Lubuntu 24.04 is the 26th 
release of Lubuntu, the 12th release of Lubuntu with LXQt as the default 
desktop environment.


Download and Support Lifespan
-

With Lubuntu 24.04 being a long-term support interim release, it will 
follow the standard LTS support period of **three years**, and will be 
supported until April 2027.


You can download Lubuntu 24.04 here: https://lubuntu.me/downloads/

If you would like to upgrade your existing 23.10 installation, please 
visit our manual page describing the process: 
https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/D/upgrading.html


Common Ubuntu instructions can be found here: 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NobleUpgrades/


New in 24.04


### Try or Install Screen

Lubuntu now ships an attractive "installer prompt", which provides a 
simple, intuitive, and beautiful environment from which to connect to 
the Internet, set your desired language, and choose to Try or Install 
Lubuntu. If you select a different language and choose to Try Lubuntu, 
the live session will automatically be updated for that language.


### System Installer

 Customize Menu

Traditionally, installing Lubuntu only provides a regular installation 
mode (a single option for installs). This changes with Lubuntu 24.04, 
where you can now pick between Normal, Full, and Minimal. A Normal 
installation gives you a traditional Lubuntu experience. The Minimal 
mode ships with just the desktop environment and essential components 
(no web browser or snapd). A Full installation is the same as Normal, 
but comes with several recommended third-party apps:


 * Virtual Machine Manager
 * Element
 * Thunderbird
 * Krita

In addition, you can choose to download and install updates during the 
installation procedure rather than having to install them afterwards. 
This can help speed up the installation process and get you 
up-and-running quicker.


 OEM Installation Mode

Since our transition to LXQt over five years ago, we've been notably 
missing one very useful feature - an OEM installation mode. In the past, 
it was possible to install and configure Lubuntu on a system, then 
prepare it for shipping to an end-user. This is useful for hardware 
manufacturers or people giving a computer to someone else, but is not 
functionality we retained.


We are pleased to report that the OEM installer has made a comeback in 
Lubuntu 24.04.


If you're looking to sell, provision, or donate hardware with Lubuntu 
preinstalled, the OEM installation mode is meant for you. OEM 
installation is exactly the same as normal installation, except for the 
user account created at install time is a temporary OEM user rather than 
a permanent user. After installation, you can:


 * log in
 * install or remove software
 * run tests
 * configure settings
 * etc.

Once the system is configured properly, you can activate the "Prepare 
for shipping to end user" icon on the desktop, confirm that you are 
finished configuring the system, shut the computer down, and then send 
it to its intended destination. When the user receives it and powers it 
on, they will be shown a first-boot setup screen allowing them to 
configure their own user account.


You can activate OEM installation mode by selecting "OEM install (for 
manufacturers)" in the ISO boot menu. Alternatively, you can boot the 
ISO normally, click Try Lubuntu, and then launch the OEM installer from 
the Application Menu > System > Install Lubuntu 24.04 LTS (OEM mode).


### Applications and Utilities

It's not often that we add new utilities to Lubuntu, but this cycle we 
added several new applications to our default install, providing several 
new and powerful features we think you'll enjoy using.


 Bluetooth Management

We now ship Blueman as our Bluetooth manager. This provides a convenient 
system tray icon for managing bluetooth devices. If your system is 
Bluetooth-enabled, a status icon will automatically appear in the toolbar.


 SDDM Configuration Editor

Have you always wanted to configure the login screen? Good news, you now 
can! The SDDM configuration editor allows you to modify the login screen 
settings, changing the theme used, adjusting the reboot and shutdown 
commands used, and much more.


 Software Updater

Our previous software update installer has been replaced by a 
new-and-improved utility, "Lubuntu Update". The UI has been 
substantially revamped, update notifications have been integrated into 
the system better, and you can now manually check for updates and 
install them whenever you want.


 Redshift

If you are one of the many users that benefit from having a night color 
mode on your system, you'll be happy to hear that Lubuntu now ships a 
night color feature via Redshift-Qt. You can enable it by running 
Redshift from the application menu.


 Picom Configuration Utility

Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu Noble Beta Released!

[Walter Lapchynski]

 1. gparted has a lot of dependencies. You can blame the GNOME folks. In
Ubuntu proper, it would be no big deal because their whole thing is
based in GNOME. Not so with us. You'd have the same problem doing it in
Kubuntu. That said, we do have the KDE Partition Manager already
installed. No additional dependencies needed.
 2. gphoto2 isn't installed by default. That's a red herring anyways. As
for lubuntu-desktop, it's how the entire desktop environment (and
subsequently X) is on the system to begin with. If you remove/purge that
package, you remove the thing that requires all of those packages to be
installed. At that point, if you `autoremove` you lose everything.
Incidentally, this is how *all* of the flavors work (and always have),
including Ubuntu proper.
 3. If you want some help, more details would be necessary.

On 2024-04-11 16:26, Johanes Hutapea wrote:
> i've installed lubuntu, and choose minimal installation. whats
> irritated me:
> 1. installing gparted, i need to download almost 500MBs.
> 2. purging libgphoto2 and gphoto2, also purging lubuntu desktop, and
> what shocked, i lost X too.
> 3. upgrade, also creating lots of garbage, and error notifications.
> this problem arise before. although in early stage, eg. 18.04, 20.04,
> 22.04 路‍♂️
> 
> On April 12, 2024 4:14:01 AM GMT+07:00, Walter Lapchynski
>  wrote:
> 
>> We are happy to announce the Beta release for Lubuntu Noble (what
>> will
>> become 24.04 LTS)!
>> 
>> = What makes this cycle unique? =
>> 
>> Lubuntu is a lightweight flavor of Ubuntu, based on LXQt and built
>> for
>> you. As an official flavor, we benefit from Canonical’s
>> infrastructure
>> and assistance, in addition to the support and enthusiasm from the
>> wider
>> Ubuntu community. We are thankful for the opportunity to call
>> ourselves
>> an Ubuntu flavor; when there are common struggles, we step up to
>> help.
>> When discussions arise that affect the entire ecosystem, we lend a
>> voice. This cycle was no different in that respect, but different in
>> many others.
>> 
>> This started with the normal transitions that occur during the
>> beginning
>> of every cycle, a list of which can be found on the release schedule
>> for
>> Noble [1]. These transitions take time; we (as Ubuntu) perform
>> rigorous
>> testing to ensure these packages are ready before publishing them
>> for
>> general availability. Several feature uploads became stuck, but we
>> were
>> looking forward to the opportunity to test after Feature Freeze.
>> 
>> We then faced two major transitions following Feature Freeze, the
>> first
>> of which was time_t [2]. This allows for 32-bit devices to work past
>> 2038. To learn more about the 2038 problem, visit this site [3].
>> Immediately following this transition, the xz-utils backdoor was
>> found
>> [4]. We would like to thank the Canonical and community developers
>> involved in these transitions for their work around the clock to get
>> everyone in the ecosystem to a releaseable state.
>> 
>> = What does this mean for Lubuntu? =
>> 
>> We need extra help from our community to test this release. If you
>> have
>> a few spare hours (or even minutes), please do help us test. If
>> something is not working, please feel free to check the Beta
>> tracking
>> document [5], and file a bug if it is not otherwise reported.
>> 
>> If you are unsure how to file a bug report but just want to make the
>> issue known, that is okay, please either make a post on our
>> Discourse
>> instance [6] or join our Development channel on Matrix [7]. Any help
>> is
>> appreciated, and your one post or message will make a difference for
>> many users.
>> 
>> = What new features made it? =
>> 
>> For much more information, please see the Alpha status post [8].
>> 
>> Since then, we have made the tough decision to not include the
>> following
>> in the final release:
>> 
>> * Power management UX.
>> * Active Directory support in Calamares before release; that pull
>> request has been submitted upstream.
>> 
>> That being said, a redesigned Customize menu has made it, in
>> addition to
>> other bugfixes and features listed in the Alpha announcement.
>> 
>> Our final release announcement will have many more details, stay
>> tuned!
>> 
>> = Where do I download it? =
>> 
>> From our downloads page, here [9].
>> 
>> [1]:
>> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-release-schedule/35649
>> [2]:
>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2024/02/msg0.html
>> [3]: https://theyear2038problem.com/
>> [4]: https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2024/03/29/4
>> [5]:
>>
> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-24-04-beta-release-status-tracking/44043
>> [6]: https://discourse.lubuntu.me/
>> [7]: https://matrix.to/#/#lubuntu-devel:ubuntu.com
>> [8]: https://lubuntu.me/noble-alpha-featureset/
>> [9]: https://lubuntu.me/downloads

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu Noble Beta Released!

[Johanes Hutapea]

i've installed lubuntu, and choose minimal installation. whats irritated me:
1. installing gparted, i need to download almost 500MBs.
2. purging libgphoto2 and gphoto2, also purging lubuntu desktop, and what 
shocked, i lost X too.
3. upgrade, also creating lots of garbage, and error notifications.
this problem arise before. although in early stage, eg. 18.04, 20.04, 22.04 路‍♂️

On April 12, 2024 4:14:01 AM GMT+07:00, Walter Lapchynski  
wrote:
>We are happy to announce the Beta release for Lubuntu Noble (what will
>become 24.04 LTS)!
>
>= What makes this cycle unique? =
>
>Lubuntu is a lightweight flavor of Ubuntu, based on LXQt and built for
>you. As an official flavor, we benefit from Canonical’s infrastructure
>and assistance, in addition to the support and enthusiasm from the wider
>Ubuntu community. We are thankful for the opportunity to call ourselves
>an Ubuntu flavor; when there are common struggles, we step up to help.
>When discussions arise that affect the entire ecosystem, we lend a
>voice. This cycle was no different in that respect, but different in
>many others.
>
>This started with the normal transitions that occur during the beginning
>of every cycle, a list of which can be found on the release schedule for
>Noble [1]. These transitions take time; we (as Ubuntu) perform rigorous
>testing to ensure these packages are ready before publishing them for
>general availability. Several feature uploads became stuck, but we were
>looking forward to the opportunity to test after Feature Freeze.
>
>We then faced two major transitions following Feature Freeze, the first
>of which was time_t [2]. This allows for 32-bit devices to work past
>2038. To learn more about the 2038 problem, visit this site [3].
>Immediately following this transition, the xz-utils backdoor was found
>[4]. We would like to thank the Canonical and community developers
>involved in these transitions for their work around the clock to get
>everyone in the ecosystem to a releaseable state.
>
>= What does this mean for Lubuntu? =
>
>We need extra help from our community to test this release. If you have
>a few spare hours (or even minutes), please do help us test. If
>something is not working, please feel free to check the Beta tracking
>document [5], and file a bug if it is not otherwise reported.
>
>If you are unsure how to file a bug report but just want to make the
>issue known, that is okay, please either make a post on our Discourse
>instance [6] or join our Development channel on Matrix [7]. Any help is
>appreciated, and your one post or message will make a difference for
>many users.
>
>= What new features made it? =
>
>For much more information, please see the Alpha status post [8].
>
>Since then, we have made the tough decision to not include the following
>in the final release:
>
> * Power management UX.
> * Active Directory support in Calamares before release; that pull
>request has been submitted upstream.
>
>That being said, a redesigned Customize menu has made it, in addition to
>other bugfixes and features listed in the Alpha announcement.
>
>Our final release announcement will have many more details, stay tuned!
>
>= Where do I download it? =
>
>From our downloads page, here [9].
>
>[1]: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-release-schedule/35649
>[2]:
>https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2024/02/msg0.html
>[3]: https://theyear2038problem.com/
>[4]: https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2024/03/29/4
>[5]:
>https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-24-04-beta-release-status-tracking/44043
>[6]: https://discourse.lubuntu.me/
>[7]: https://matrix.to/#/#lubuntu-devel:ubuntu.com
>[8]: https://lubuntu.me/noble-alpha-featureset/
>[9]: https://lubuntu.me/downloads
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[lubuntu-users] Lubuntu Noble Beta Released!

[Walter Lapchynski]

We are happy to announce the Beta release for Lubuntu Noble (what will
become 24.04 LTS)!

= What makes this cycle unique? =

Lubuntu is a lightweight flavor of Ubuntu, based on LXQt and built for
you. As an official flavor, we benefit from Canonical’s infrastructure
and assistance, in addition to the support and enthusiasm from the wider
Ubuntu community. We are thankful for the opportunity to call ourselves
an Ubuntu flavor; when there are common struggles, we step up to help.
When discussions arise that affect the entire ecosystem, we lend a
voice. This cycle was no different in that respect, but different in
many others.

This started with the normal transitions that occur during the beginning
of every cycle, a list of which can be found on the release schedule for
Noble [1]. These transitions take time; we (as Ubuntu) perform rigorous
testing to ensure these packages are ready before publishing them for
general availability. Several feature uploads became stuck, but we were
looking forward to the opportunity to test after Feature Freeze.

We then faced two major transitions following Feature Freeze, the first
of which was time_t [2]. This allows for 32-bit devices to work past
2038. To learn more about the 2038 problem, visit this site [3].
Immediately following this transition, the xz-utils backdoor was found
[4]. We would like to thank the Canonical and community developers
involved in these transitions for their work around the clock to get
everyone in the ecosystem to a releaseable state.

= What does this mean for Lubuntu? =

We need extra help from our community to test this release. If you have
a few spare hours (or even minutes), please do help us test. If
something is not working, please feel free to check the Beta tracking
document [5], and file a bug if it is not otherwise reported.

If you are unsure how to file a bug report but just want to make the
issue known, that is okay, please either make a post on our Discourse
instance [6] or join our Development channel on Matrix [7]. Any help is
appreciated, and your one post or message will make a difference for
many users.

= What new features made it? =

For much more information, please see the Alpha status post [8].

Since then, we have made the tough decision to not include the following
in the final release:

 * Power management UX.
 * Active Directory support in Calamares before release; that pull
request has been submitted upstream.

That being said, a redesigned Customize menu has made it, in addition to
other bugfixes and features listed in the Alpha announcement.

Our final release announcement will have many more details, stay tuned!

= Where do I download it? =

From our downloads page, here [9].

[1]: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-release-schedule/35649
[2]:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2024/02/msg0.html
[3]: https://theyear2038problem.com/
[4]: https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2024/03/29/4
[5]:
https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-24-04-beta-release-status-tracking/44043
[6]: https://discourse.lubuntu.me/
[7]: https://matrix.to/#/#lubuntu-devel:ubuntu.com
[8]: https://lubuntu.me/noble-alpha-featureset/
[9]: https://lubuntu.me/downloads
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[lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 23.04 End-of-Life Announcement

[Aaron Rainbolt]

Lubuntu 23.04 has reached end-of-life as of today, January 25, 2024. It 
will no longer receive software updates (including security fixes) or 
technical support. All users are urged to upgrade to Lubuntu 23.10 as 
soon as possible to stay secure. You can upgrade to Lubuntu 23.10 
without reinstalling Lubuntu from scratch by following the official 
upgrade procedure[1]. Alternatively, you can download Lubuntu 23.10 or 
Lubuntu 22.04[2] and do a clean installation[3] if you prefer.


Nine months ago, on April 20th, 2023, Lubuntu 23.04 was released. It 
shipped a number of new features including an enabled-by-default X 
compositor (Picom), PipeWire, a new default screensaver, and the latest 
(at the time) version of LXQt. While the innovation and stability 
Lubuntu 23.04 provided served us well, it is now time to move on. We are 
now focusing our support efforts on Lubuntu 23.10 and later, as well as 
on Lubuntu 22.04 LTS. Lubuntu 23.04 will no longer receive bug or 
security fixes from the Lubuntu team. Additionally, as the underlying 
Ubuntu 23.04 packages Lubuntu uses have reached end-of-life, Lubuntu 
23.04 will no longer receive updates for any core applications, 
utilities, or OS components.


Lubuntu features two different types of releases – Long Term Support 
(LTS) releases and interim releases. Interim releases are supported for 
only nine months after release, and are primarily for users who are 
willing or able to upgrade or reinstall frequently in order to get the 
best that Lubuntu has to offer. Lubuntu 23.04 was an interim release, 
and is being dropped from Lubuntu support accordingly.


Note that users of Lubuntu 22.04 LTS do not have to take any action at 
this time. LTS releases are supported for three years from the date of 
release. We will continue to support Lubuntu 22.04 LTS until April 2025.


If you are still running Lubuntu 23.04, we **strongly** recommend that 
you upgrade to Lubuntu 23.10 as soon as possible. You can read about 
what's new in Lubuntu 23.10 at https://lubuntu.me/mantic-released/. 
Alternatively, if you are unable to use Lubuntu 23.10, or if you would 
like to use our LTS releases and avoid frequent upgrades, you can 
install Lubuntu 22.04 from scratch and enjoy another year of updates and 
support before having to upgrade again.


Thank you to everyone who uses Lubuntu! If you have problems 
reinstalling or upgrading, feel free to ask for help via our official 
support channels. We're happy to help users having upgrade problems even 
after Lubuntu 23.04's end-of-life date. You can find a list of places to 
reach us by visiting our Links page[4]. We can also be reached via IRC 
at #lubuntu on Libera.Chat[5].


The original end-of-life announcement can be read here: 
https://lubuntu.me/lubuntu-23-04-end-of-life/


[1]: https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/D/upgrading.html
[2]: https://lubuntu.me/downloads/
[3]: https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/1/1.3/installation.html
[4]: https://lubuntu.me/links/
[5]: https://web.libera.chat/?channel=#lubuntu

On behalf of the Lubuntu development team,

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[lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 23.04 (Lunar Lobster) reaches End of Life on January 25, 2024

[Chris Guiver]

If you’re using Lubuntu 23.04 (or any other Ubuntu 23.04 or 23.04
flavor), please be warned that EOL warnings are now out (1); meaning
you’re in the last six weeks of supported life.

---
Ubuntu announced its 23.04 (Lunar Lobster) release almost 9 months
ago, on April 20, 2023 and its support period is now nearing its end.
Ubuntu 23.04 will reach end of life on January 25, 2024.

At that time, Ubuntu Security Notices will no longer include
information or updated packages for Ubuntu 23.04.
---

So if you’re using 23.04 still, please plan your release-upgrade
somewhat soon, and refer to this page in our manual for upgrade
instructions (2), and note any warnings in the Lubuntu 23.10 release
notes (3), or Ubuntu 23.10 release notes (4).

Links:

1: 
https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/12/15/ubuntu-23-04-lunar-lobster-reaches-end-of-life-on-january-25-2024/
2: https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/D/upgrading.html
3: https://lubuntu.me/mantic-released/
4: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/mantic-minotaur-release-notes/35534

Discourse copy found at
https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/lubuntu-23-04-lunar-lobster-reaches-end-of-life-on-january-25-2024/4712

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Re: [lubuntu-users] 23.10's file manager will be...?

[Chris Guiver]

Some of the LXQt desktop you see (eg. wallpaper on your display) is
handled by pcmanfm-qt, thus pcmanfm-qt is required for LXQt to operate
as intended.  (Pcmanfm was the same with LXDE)

Adding another file-manager to the system seems counter-intuitive to
me, as Lubuntu aims being 'light'.  Why have two installed? especially
given some of pcmanfm will already be operating when the user is
logged into a LXQt session.

To see, use `ps -elf |grep pcmanfm-qt` where you'll possibly see a
version running as `pcmanfm-qt --desktop --profile=lxqt` or something
equivalent, even if you don't have a file-manager window open.

Chris.

On 7/10/23, Douglas Lucas  wrote:
> Hello Lubuntu-users,
>
> Has the file manager for 23.10 been decided on yet? 23.04 has
> PCManFM-Qt, but what will 23.10 have?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Doug
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[lubuntu-users] 23.10's file manager will be...?

[Douglas Lucas]

Hello Lubuntu-users,

Has the file manager for 23.10 been decided on yet? 23.04 has 
PCManFM-Qt, but what will 23.10 have?


Thanks,

Doug

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[lubuntu-users] 2023 Lubuntu Council special election results

[Dan Simmons]

Greetings.

The results [1] for the special 2023 Lubuntu Council election to replace 
Aaron Rainbolt are in.
Congratulations to Walter Lapchynski (wxl) and many thanks to everyone 
that ran for

the position on the council.


[1] https://civs1.civs.us/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_72ca1ecf14c9bc41

Kind regards.

Dan

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[lubuntu-users] Forum continues to have problems loading or accessing

[Fritz Hudnut]

Folks:

Have a thread running on the forum, and from day to day sometimes it's
working and today, it isn't.  Forum won't load from "visit topic" link
in the email sent out when there are replies.

Several days ago I tried to use the "or reply from this email" to
provide a reply . . . days went by with "failed delivery" messages,
ending yesterday with:

[QUOTE] The response was:

The recipient server did not accept our requests to connect. Learn
more at https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7720
[discourse.lubuntu.me 15.204.140.176: FAILED_PRECONDITION: connect
error (113): No route to host]  [/QUOTE]

Usually the forum will not work when actually running Lubuntu . . .
today I'm in Manjaro and clicking on "Forum" link from the lubuntu.me
web site . . . fails to load the forum.

"Personal problem" or . . . "problem"???  Who knows.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 22.04 hangs on boot under VirtualBox

[Ben Coleman]

On 11/14/2022 3:34 PM, Aaron Rainbolt wrote:


What version of VirtualBox are you using?


6.1.40, the latest 6.1 version.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 22.04 hangs on boot under VirtualBox

[Aaron Rainbolt]

On 11/14/22 10:54, Ben Coleman wrote:

On 11/14/2022 11:16 AM, Ben Coleman wrote:

while booting, it halts in the 'Powered by lubuntu' screen where the 
penguin medallion should have a rotating light.  There is no rotating 
light and it seems to have stopped at the Southeast portion of the 
medallion.


One additional weirdness on this.  I did the VirtualBox 'Send the 
shutdown signal' function and noticed that the bright part of the 
medallion advanced.  Hit it again, and the bright part advanced again. 
Did it several times, and finally, instead of shutting down, the 
rotating light effect restarted, and the boot-up process completed.  
So this appears to be a workaround, but I'm not sure what causes it.


Ben


What version of VirtualBox are you using? Perhaps it's too old to handle 
the kernel in Lubuntu 22.04 and you need to upgrade. You may want to 
back up your VMs before doing this just in case the upgrade messes with 
your other virtual machines.


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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 22.04 hangs on boot under VirtualBox

[Ben Coleman]

On 11/14/2022 11:16 AM, Ben Coleman wrote:

while booting, it halts in the 'Powered by lubuntu' screen where the 
penguin medallion should have a rotating light.  There is no rotating 
light and it seems to have stopped at the Southeast portion of the 
medallion.


One additional weirdness on this.  I did the VirtualBox 'Send the 
shutdown signal' function and noticed that the bright part of the 
medallion advanced.  Hit it again, and the bright part advanced again. 
Did it several times, and finally, instead of shutting down, the 
rotating light effect restarted, and the boot-up process completed.  So 
this appears to be a workaround, but I'm not sure what causes it.


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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 22.04 hangs on boot under VirtualBox

[Mateusz Konieczny]

Is it happening with other OSes in your VirtualBox?
(I had similar problem and it turned out that it was general VirtualBox issue)


Nov 14, 2022, 17:16 by olo...@benshome.net:

> I've tried installing a couple of VMs of Lubuntu 22.04 under VirtualBox 
> 6.1.40 under Win 10, and both eventually come up with the same problem: while 
> booting, it halts in the 'Powered by lubuntu' screen where the penguin 
> medallion should have a rotating light.  There is no rotating light and it 
> seems to have stopped at the Southeast portion of the medallion.  This 
> happening to one installation might be a glitch, but it happening to 2 looks 
> like an ongoing issue.  Any ideas what could be going on?
>
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[lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 22.04 hangs on boot under VirtualBox

[Ben Coleman]

I've tried installing a couple of VMs of Lubuntu 22.04 under VirtualBox 
6.1.40 under Win 10, and both eventually come up with the same problem: 
while booting, it halts in the 'Powered by lubuntu' screen where the 
penguin medallion should have a rotating light.  There is no rotating 
light and it seems to have stopped at the Southeast portion of the 
medallion.  This happening to one installation might be a glitch, but it 
happening to 2 looks like an ongoing issue.  Any ideas what could be 
going on?


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Re: [lubuntu-users] Discourse forum seems broken (Mateusz Konieczny) (Nio W)

[Mateusz Konieczny]

Seems to work again

Thanks to whoever fixed it!


Oct 26, 2022, 18:07 by uninvol...@outlook.com:

> Yup. Discourse is broken.
>
> I tried on three devices, using two different ISPs. At best, I can load the 
> site. I then can't click anything, nor can I scroll. With Firefox on a mobile 
> phone it will not even load the full page.
>
> Neither T-Mobile nor Hughes Net connections worked.
>
> I used different browsers on each device, so I'd say that'd be reasonably 
> thorough testing. I conclude that it's broken. Yup...
>
> On 10/26/22 10:25, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 11:34:21 +0200
>>> From: Nio Wiklund 
>>> To: Mateusz Konieczny ,
>>>  lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
>>> Subject: Re: [lubuntu-users] Discourse forum seems broken
>>> Message-ID: <5e2cb8c8-639e-8230-bdf2-b57d16578...@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Den 2022-10-26 kl. 11:26, skrev Mateusz Konieczny:
>>>
 If I enter say my
 https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/how-can-i-change-which-software-is-used-to-open-folders/3716
  
 
 thread nothing on page is clickable or scrollable

 Console log has
 "Content Security Policy: The page's settings blocked the loading of a
 resource
 at inline ("script-src"). Source: // This script is inlined in
 `_discourse_splash.html.erb"

 Is it just me or general breakage?

 https://discourse.lubuntu.me/  seems to
 have no recent postings

>>> Hi Mateusz,
>>>
>>> It seems broken for me too. I cannot scroll down (so I cannot see the
>>> bottom alias end) of a thread (I tested more one thread).
>>>
>>> So I hope someone with enough privileges on the website can fix the problem.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Nio
>>>
>>>
>> Gents:
>>
>> This is a problem that does also "happen" to me . . . most often
>> specifically if I'm running Lubuntu, links from digests won't work or
>> forum opens to blank page.  But, if I flip over to another distro,
>> then sometimes it will work . . . "ironic" no?
>>
>> There is a gent who is in charge . . . might have his name in the
>> rolodex if he doesn't pick up the phone in a bit . . . can't recall
>> right now.  He often thinks it relates to something in the browser . .
>> . but the problem does recur . . . .  Maybe try flipping to another
>> browser???
>>
>> F
>>
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Discourse forum seems broken (Mateusz Konieczny) (Nio W)

[Fritz Hudnut]

Had a moment to check the forum while in Pop!_OS .  . . and strange
dysfunctions, like I couldn't scroll up and down in a thread, but I
could change threads . . . and I could "reply" within the thread to
what I could see, but not scroll . . . .  Also in Firefox as I usually
am . . . but not in Lubuntu . .  . .

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:25 AM Fritz Hudnut  wrote:
>
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 11:34:21 +0200
> > From: Nio Wiklund 
> > To: Mateusz Konieczny ,
> > lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: Re: [lubuntu-users] Discourse forum seems broken
> > Message-ID: <5e2cb8c8-639e-8230-bdf2-b57d16578...@gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >
> > Den 2022-10-26 kl. 11:26, skrev Mateusz Konieczny:
> > > If I enter say my
> > > https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/how-can-i-change-which-software-is-used-to-open-folders/3716
> > >  
> > > 
> > > thread nothing on page is clickable or scrollable
> > >
> > > Console log has
> > > "Content Security Policy: The page's settings blocked the loading of a
> > > resource
> > > at inline ("script-src"). Source: // This script is inlined in
> > > `_discourse_splash.html.erb"
> > >
> > > Is it just me or general breakage?
> > >
> > > https://discourse.lubuntu.me/  seems to
> > > have no recent postings
> > >
> >
> > Hi Mateusz,
> >
> > It seems broken for me too. I cannot scroll down (so I cannot see the
> > bottom alias end) of a thread (I tested more one thread).
> >
> > So I hope someone with enough privileges on the website can fix the problem.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Nio
> >
> >
>
> Gents:
>
> This is a problem that does also "happen" to me . . . most often
> specifically if I'm running Lubuntu, links from digests won't work or
> forum opens to blank page.  But, if I flip over to another distro,
> then sometimes it will work . . . "ironic" no?
>
> There is a gent who is in charge . . . might have his name in the
> rolodex if he doesn't pick up the phone in a bit . . . can't recall
> right now.  He often thinks it relates to something in the browser . .
> . but the problem does recur . . . .  Maybe try flipping to another
> browser???
>
> F

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Discourse forum seems broken (Mateusz Konieczny) (Nio W)

[uninvol...@outlook.com]

Yup. Discourse is broken.

I tried on three devices, using two different ISPs. At best, I can load 
the site. I then can't click anything, nor can I scroll. With Firefox on 
a mobile phone it will not even load the full page.


Neither T-Mobile nor Hughes Net connections worked.

I used different browsers on each device, so I'd say that'd be 
reasonably thorough testing. I conclude that it's broken. Yup...


On 10/26/22 10:25, Fritz Hudnut wrote:

Message: 2
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 11:34:21 +0200
From: Nio Wiklund 
To: Mateusz Konieczny ,
 lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [lubuntu-users] Discourse forum seems broken
Message-ID: <5e2cb8c8-639e-8230-bdf2-b57d16578...@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

Den 2022-10-26 kl. 11:26, skrev Mateusz Konieczny:

If I enter say my
https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/how-can-i-change-which-software-is-used-to-open-folders/3716
 

thread nothing on page is clickable or scrollable

Console log has
"Content Security Policy: The page's settings blocked the loading of a
resource
at inline ("script-src"). Source: // This script is inlined in
`_discourse_splash.html.erb"

Is it just me or general breakage?

https://discourse.lubuntu.me/  seems to
have no recent postings


Hi Mateusz,

It seems broken for me too. I cannot scroll down (so I cannot see the
bottom alias end) of a thread (I tested more one thread).

So I hope someone with enough privileges on the website can fix the problem.

Best regards
Nio



Gents:

This is a problem that does also "happen" to me . . . most often
specifically if I'm running Lubuntu, links from digests won't work or
forum opens to blank page.  But, if I flip over to another distro,
then sometimes it will work . . . "ironic" no?

There is a gent who is in charge . . . might have his name in the
rolodex if he doesn't pick up the phone in a bit . . . can't recall
right now.  He often thinks it relates to something in the browser . .
. but the problem does recur . . . .  Maybe try flipping to another
browser???

F



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[lubuntu-users] Discourse forum seems broken (Mateusz Konieczny) (Nio W)

[Fritz Hudnut]

>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 11:34:21 +0200
> From: Nio Wiklund 
> To: Mateusz Konieczny ,
> lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [lubuntu-users] Discourse forum seems broken
> Message-ID: <5e2cb8c8-639e-8230-bdf2-b57d16578...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Den 2022-10-26 kl. 11:26, skrev Mateusz Konieczny:
> > If I enter say my
> > https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/how-can-i-change-which-software-is-used-to-open-folders/3716
> >  
> > 
> > thread nothing on page is clickable or scrollable
> >
> > Console log has
> > "Content Security Policy: The page's settings blocked the loading of a
> > resource
> > at inline ("script-src"). Source: // This script is inlined in
> > `_discourse_splash.html.erb"
> >
> > Is it just me or general breakage?
> >
> > https://discourse.lubuntu.me/  seems to
> > have no recent postings
> >
>
> Hi Mateusz,
>
> It seems broken for me too. I cannot scroll down (so I cannot see the
> bottom alias end) of a thread (I tested more one thread).
>
> So I hope someone with enough privileges on the website can fix the problem.
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>
>

Gents:

This is a problem that does also "happen" to me . . . most often
specifically if I'm running Lubuntu, links from digests won't work or
forum opens to blank page.  But, if I flip over to another distro,
then sometimes it will work . . . "ironic" no?

There is a gent who is in charge . . . might have his name in the
rolodex if he doesn't pick up the phone in a bit . . . can't recall
right now.  He often thinks it relates to something in the browser . .
. but the problem does recur . . . .  Maybe try flipping to another
browser???

F

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Discourse forum seems broken

[Nio Wiklund]

Den 2022-10-26 kl. 11:26, skrev Mateusz Konieczny:

If I enter say my
https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/how-can-i-change-which-software-is-used-to-open-folders/3716
 

thread nothing on page is clickable or scrollable

Console log has
"Content Security Policy: The page's settings blocked the loading of a 
resource
at inline ("script-src"). Source: // This script is inlined in 
`_discourse_splash.html.erb"


Is it just me or general breakage?

https://discourse.lubuntu.me/  seems to 
have no recent postings




Hi Mateusz,

It seems broken for me too. I cannot scroll down (so I cannot see the 
bottom alias end) of a thread (I tested more one thread).


So I hope someone with enough privileges on the website can fix the problem.

Best regards
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[lubuntu-users] Discourse forum seems broken

[Mateusz Konieczny]

If I enter say my 
https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/how-can-i-change-which-software-is-used-to-open-folders/3716
 
thread nothing on page is clickable or scrollable

Console log has 
"Content Security Policy: The page's settings blocked the loading of a resource
at inline ("script-src"). Source: // This script is inlined in 
`_discourse_splash.html.erb"

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Re: [lubuntu-users] What happened?? kernel not upgrading during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Fritz Hudnut]

@Is:

Yes.  I did both, reinstalled grub and then "mkconfig'd" it and on cold
boot, selecting Lubuntu now brings verbose log in/dmesg, or it shows up . .
. in the fairly slow boot process . . . but got there!!  And uname -r shows
5.19xxx kernel . . . 

It takes a village . . . in my case.  I guess the thing was, after erasing
the 5.13 kernel I edited the individual grub item data, but didn't run
another "grub2-mkconfig" to solidify the edits??  Or, in this case, find
the newer kernel and register it, etc.

I started a new thread on Discourse, but since I'm now running Lubuntu I
can't post an update there . . . ?  : - 0

On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 10:00 AM Fritz Hudnut  wrote:

> Is:
>
> Thanks for the reply . . . I do "know" which distro is handling grub . . .
> the TW install, but they don't do the same "update-grub" command in SUSE,
> as I recall from past exploits trying to get grub tidied up . . . .  They
> do a command like "grub2-mkconfig xxx" which I did run yesterday.  They
> do offer reinstall with "grub2-install" . . . .
>
> I guess it wouldn't hurt to run that to see if it picks up the newer
> kernel in Lu . . . now that 5.13 is gone there should be a more clear
> "choice" . . . .
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 9:33 AM Israel Dahl  wrote:
>
>> Hey Fritz,
>>
>> The best way to update grub is using the `update-grub` CLI utility.
>> But you have to do it from the distro you installed grub with.  If you
>> can remember which one you installed grub with, simply run that command
>> using `sudo` and it should automatically detect the most recent kernel and
>> do it for you.
>>
>> If you cannot figure out which one you installed it with, reinstall grub
>> from the distro you use the most.
>>
>> On 9/21/22 11:06, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
>>
>> et al:
>>
>> Spoke too soon . . . not out of the woods on this one yet.  Seems like
>> the edits made in the grub "EFI" menu are not maintained on reboot??
>> Doesn't seem to be any hints on how to "save" the edits . . . just make
>> them and then boot them???  But, then it appears that the edits are lost
>> and it's back to the previous version??
>>
>> After I got 5.19 to boot I used the GUI mainline kernel app to remove the
>> old 5.13 kernel, to try to get the system to default to 5.19, but on trying
>> today it said, "5.13 not found, hit any key to continue" and back into Grub
>> menu we went.
>>
>> Arrowed down to Lubuntu, pressed "e" and changed the kernel data to 5.19
>> and it booted up.
>>
>> Question is, why doesn't it hold the data??  I've changed both line
>> items, the "Lubuntu" and the "advanced options" data and I can boot it, one
>> time . . . .  I tried "ctrl o" but that didn't do anything . . . .  Do I
>> need to take it to "command line" and then try to "ctrl o" it to save it??
>>
>> F
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 9:53 AM Fritz Hudnut 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Top posting, with impunity!!
>>>
>>> So, I got a hint over on Discourse to "check the grub EFI menu" . . .
>>> and once I figured out how to do that, indeed, Lubuntu was listing itself
>>> as "19.10" and set to be booting 5.13 . . . took some more time to figure
>>> out how to edit that data, to the correct wording for the kernel . . . and
>>> that did seem to boot Lubuntu to 5.19!!!
>>>
>>> Only "problem" seems to be that when I'm booted in Lubuntu the Discourse
>>> site loads as a white page . . . of whiteness.  I'll have to reboot into a
>>> non-Lu system to get it to load . . . .
>>>
>>> So far now it seems like the solution has been invoked . . . .
>>>
>>> F
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 3:45 PM Nio Wiklund 
 wrote:

> Hi again Fritz,
>
> Is the problematic system your main system or 'only' a test system? If
> a
> test system you might just reinstall it to get rid of the problem.
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>
>
>
>
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Re: [lubuntu-users] What happened?? kernel not upgrading during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Fritz Hudnut]

Is:

Thanks for the reply . . . I do "know" which distro is handling grub . . .
the TW install, but they don't do the same "update-grub" command in SUSE,
as I recall from past exploits trying to get grub tidied up . . . .  They
do a command like "grub2-mkconfig xxx" which I did run yesterday.  They
do offer reinstall with "grub2-install" . . . .

I guess it wouldn't hurt to run that to see if it picks up the newer kernel
in Lu . . . now that 5.13 is gone there should be a more clear "choice" . .
. .



On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 9:33 AM Israel Dahl  wrote:

> Hey Fritz,
>
> The best way to update grub is using the `update-grub` CLI utility.
> But you have to do it from the distro you installed grub with.  If you can
> remember which one you installed grub with, simply run that command using
> `sudo` and it should automatically detect the most recent kernel and do it
> for you.
>
> If you cannot figure out which one you installed it with, reinstall grub
> from the distro you use the most.
>
> On 9/21/22 11:06, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
>
> et al:
>
> Spoke too soon . . . not out of the woods on this one yet.  Seems like the
> edits made in the grub "EFI" menu are not maintained on reboot??  Doesn't
> seem to be any hints on how to "save" the edits . . . just make them and
> then boot them???  But, then it appears that the edits are lost and it's
> back to the previous version??
>
> After I got 5.19 to boot I used the GUI mainline kernel app to remove the
> old 5.13 kernel, to try to get the system to default to 5.19, but on trying
> today it said, "5.13 not found, hit any key to continue" and back into Grub
> menu we went.
>
> Arrowed down to Lubuntu, pressed "e" and changed the kernel data to 5.19
> and it booted up.
>
> Question is, why doesn't it hold the data??  I've changed both line items,
> the "Lubuntu" and the "advanced options" data and I can boot it, one time .
> . . .  I tried "ctrl o" but that didn't do anything . . . .  Do I need to
> take it to "command line" and then try to "ctrl o" it to save it??
>
> F
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 9:53 AM Fritz Hudnut 
> wrote:
>
>> Top posting, with impunity!!
>>
>> So, I got a hint over on Discourse to "check the grub EFI menu" . . . and
>> once I figured out how to do that, indeed, Lubuntu was listing itself as
>> "19.10" and set to be booting 5.13 . . . took some more time to figure out
>> how to edit that data, to the correct wording for the kernel . . . and that
>> did seem to boot Lubuntu to 5.19!!!
>>
>> Only "problem" seems to be that when I'm booted in Lubuntu the Discourse
>> site loads as a white page . . . of whiteness.  I'll have to reboot into a
>> non-Lu system to get it to load . . . .
>>
>> So far now it seems like the solution has been invoked . . . .
>>
>> F
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 3:45 PM Nio Wiklund 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi again Fritz,

 Is the problematic system your main system or 'only' a test system? If
 a
 test system you might just reinstall it to get rid of the problem.

 Best regards
 Nio




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Re: [lubuntu-users] What happened?? kernel not upgrading during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Israel Dahl]

Hey Fritz,

The best way to update grub is using the `update-grub` CLI utility.
But you have to do it from the distro you installed grub with.  If you 
can remember which one you installed grub with, simply run that command 
using `sudo` and it should automatically detect the most recent kernel 
and do it for you.


If you cannot figure out which one you installed it with, reinstall grub 
from the distro you use the most.


On 9/21/22 11:06, Fritz Hudnut wrote:

et al:

Spoke too soon . . . not out of the woods on this one yet. Seems like 
the edits made in the grub "EFI" menu are not maintained on reboot??  
Doesn't seem to be any hints on how to "save" the edits . . . just 
make them and then boot them??? But, then it appears that the edits 
are lost and it's back to the previous version??


After I got 5.19 to boot I used the GUI mainline kernel app to remove 
the old 5.13 kernel, to try to get the system to default to 5.19, but 
on trying today it said, "5.13 not found, hit any key to continue" and 
back into Grub menu we went.


Arrowed down to Lubuntu, pressed "e" and changed the kernel data to 
5.19 and it booted up.


Question is, why doesn't it hold the data??  I've changed both line 
items, the "Lubuntu" and the "advanced options" data and I can boot 
it, one time . . . .  I tried "ctrl o" but that didn't do anything . . 
. .  Do I need to take it to "command line" and then try to "ctrl o" 
it to save it??


F

On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 9:53 AM Fritz Hudnut  
wrote:


Top posting, with impunity!!

So, I got a hint over on Discourse to "check the grub EFI menu" .
. . and once I figured out how to do that, indeed, Lubuntu was
listing itself as "19.10" and set to be booting 5.13 . . . took
some more time to figure out how to edit that data, to the correct
wording for the kernel . . . and that did seem to boot Lubuntu to
5.19!!!

Only "problem" seems to be that when I'm booted in Lubuntu the
Discourse site loads as a white page . . . of whiteness.  I'll
have to reboot into a non-Lu system to get it to load . . . .

So far now it seems like the solution has been invoked . . . .

F


On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 3:45 PM Nio Wiklund
 wrote:

Hi again Fritz,

Is the problematic system your main system or 'only' a
test system? If a
test system you might just reinstall it to get rid of the
problem.

Best regards
Nio





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Re: [lubuntu-users] What happened?? kernel not upgrading during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Fritz Hudnut]

et al:

Spoke too soon . . . not out of the woods on this one yet.  Seems like the
edits made in the grub "EFI" menu are not maintained on reboot??  Doesn't
seem to be any hints on how to "save" the edits . . . just make them and
then boot them???  But, then it appears that the edits are lost and it's
back to the previous version??

After I got 5.19 to boot I used the GUI mainline kernel app to remove the
old 5.13 kernel, to try to get the system to default to 5.19, but on trying
today it said, "5.13 not found, hit any key to continue" and back into Grub
menu we went.

Arrowed down to Lubuntu, pressed "e" and changed the kernel data to 5.19
and it booted up.

Question is, why doesn't it hold the data??  I've changed both line items,
the "Lubuntu" and the "advanced options" data and I can boot it, one time .
. . .  I tried "ctrl o" but that didn't do anything . . . .  Do I need to
take it to "command line" and then try to "ctrl o" it to save it??

F

On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 9:53 AM Fritz Hudnut  wrote:

> Top posting, with impunity!!
>
> So, I got a hint over on Discourse to "check the grub EFI menu" . . . and
> once I figured out how to do that, indeed, Lubuntu was listing itself as
> "19.10" and set to be booting 5.13 . . . took some more time to figure out
> how to edit that data, to the correct wording for the kernel . . . and that
> did seem to boot Lubuntu to 5.19!!!
>
> Only "problem" seems to be that when I'm booted in Lubuntu the Discourse
> site loads as a white page . . . of whiteness.  I'll have to reboot into a
> non-Lu system to get it to load . . . .
>
> So far now it seems like the solution has been invoked . . . .
>
> F
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 3:45 PM Nio Wiklund  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi again Fritz,
>>>
>>> Is the problematic system your main system or 'only' a test system? If a
>>> test system you might just reinstall it to get rid of the problem.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Nio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [lubuntu-users] What happened?? kernel not upgrading during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Fritz Hudnut]

Top posting, with impunity!!

So, I got a hint over on Discourse to "check the grub EFI menu" . . . and
once I figured out how to do that, indeed, Lubuntu was listing itself as
"19.10" and set to be booting 5.13 . . . took some more time to figure out
how to edit that data, to the correct wording for the kernel . . . and that
did seem to boot Lubuntu to 5.19!!!

Only "problem" seems to be that when I'm booted in Lubuntu the Discourse
site loads as a white page . . . of whiteness.  I'll have to reboot into a
non-Lu system to get it to load . . . .

So far now it seems like the solution has been invoked . . . .

F

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 5:58 PM Fritz Hudnut  wrote:

> Nio:
>
> Well, good question . . . based upon which system is the "problematic"
> one.  The Lubuntu install is one of the first that went on this machine . .
> . on the OEM HDD.  The grub handler is TW, and that also is fairly "old" .
> . . neither one of them is "test" per se . . . or ALL of them are.  Way
> back before I understood that I shouldn't let each install have a grub
> file, when I had a problem I would just do a fresh install, which would
> then freshen grub list and I'd be "OK" until the next fresh "bootloader"
> install, etc.
>
> Then I figured out (with the help of a forum slap upside the head) that
> only one system should handle grub.  The "wild card" in this is that ubuntu
> seems to have decided that it doesn't want to relinquish grub control, it
> keeps some strings attached . . . and I have two ubuntu based systems
> installed now, Lu & LM . . . .
>
> So, based upon knowing what has happened in the recent past when
> installing ubuntu, I'd somewhat like to avoid installing Lubuntu again . .
> . .  But, I have been considering a fresh install of TW into an SSD for "/"
> and that might tidy everybody else up in the process . . . ???
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 3:45 PM Nio Wiklund  wrote:
>
>> Hi again Fritz,
>>
>> Is the problematic system your main system or 'only' a test system? If a
>> test system you might just reinstall it to get rid of the problem.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [lubuntu-users] What happened?? kernel not upgrading during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Fritz Hudnut]

Nio:

Well, good question . . . based upon which system is the "problematic"
one.  The Lubuntu install is one of the first that went on this machine . .
. on the OEM HDD.  The grub handler is TW, and that also is fairly "old" .
. . neither one of them is "test" per se . . . or ALL of them are.  Way
back before I understood that I shouldn't let each install have a grub
file, when I had a problem I would just do a fresh install, which would
then freshen grub list and I'd be "OK" until the next fresh "bootloader"
install, etc.

Then I figured out (with the help of a forum slap upside the head) that
only one system should handle grub.  The "wild card" in this is that ubuntu
seems to have decided that it doesn't want to relinquish grub control, it
keeps some strings attached . . . and I have two ubuntu based systems
installed now, Lu & LM . . . .

So, based upon knowing what has happened in the recent past when installing
ubuntu, I'd somewhat like to avoid installing Lubuntu again . . . .  But, I
have been considering a fresh install of TW into an SSD for "/" and that
might tidy everybody else up in the process . . . ???

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 3:45 PM Nio Wiklund  wrote:

> Hi again Fritz,
>
> Is the problematic system your main system or 'only' a test system? If a
> test system you might just reinstall it to get rid of the problem.
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>
> Den 2022-09-16 kl. 21:17, skrev Fritz Hudnut:
> > Nio:
> >
> > Thanks for getting back to me about it . . . .  I haven't had the time
> > to mess with it just yet.  I was thinking that that UUID number didn't
> > match anything in, what, "blkid" . . . ???  I couldn't find in my notes
> > how to see what my master grub in TW is using to identify the UUID
> > numbers of each of the 8 systems "/" filesystem to know where to boot
> it??
> >
> > And, then I wasn't sure if I needed to fix that "resume from swap"
> > issue, or if that is correct and what should be resumed from???  I have
> > had this issue show up over the years, learned how to fix it, fixed it .
> > . . but then time passes and I forget the way to fix it . . . .
> >
> > It's not the end of the world, it's just that kinetic is now stuck in
> > 5.13 . . . instead of 5.19 . . . .  The question is, whether the problem
> > is something in Lubuntu that "messed with itself" OR as "historically,"
> > something in "ubuntu" grub cut across into the master grub file data in
> > TW and created a problem for Lubuntu
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 11:55 AM Nio Wiklund  > > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Fritz,
> >
> > I think (but am not sure) that 'resume' means resume from hibernation
> > using the swap space at the specified target. Please check if that
> UUID
> > matches a swap partition.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Nio
> >
> > Den 2022-09-11 kl. 20:45, skrev Fritz Hudnut:
> >  > Top posting:
> >  >
> >  > This is the current data from Lubuntu, and that UUID number
> > doesn't show
> >  > up anywhere in "sudo blkid" from in the Lu system.  But I did
> > write that
> >  > number down from some "error" reports showing in the console
> > during the
> >  > last apt dist-upgrade that I ran yesterday in Lu.  Somehow
> > perhaps apt
> >  > did something to  mess itself up??
> >  >
> >  > [CODE] sudo cat /etc/default/grub
> >  > # If you change this file, run 'update-grub' afterwards to update
> >  > # /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
> >  > # For full documentation of the options in this file, see:
> >  > #   info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'
> >  >
> >  > GRUB_DEFAULT=0
> >  > GRUB_TIMEOUT=0
> >  > GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR='lubuntu1910'
> >  > GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash
> >  > resume=UUID=f9ae531f-ec45-4a13-a75d-d3fd4cd80fe0"
> >  > GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" [/CODE]
> >  >
> >  > Do I want to edit that "quiet splash resume" data to match the
> > /dev/sdc7
> >  > location of the Lubuntu "/" UUID??
> >  >
> >  > [CODE] /dev/sdc7: UUID="17bcb813-d05e-4cc3-bcdf-16d283156780"
> > [/CODE]
> >  >
> >  > And, then try to again run the grub bootloader to get it to find
> > a newer
> >  > location of Lu that would then allow upgrading to 5.19 xx
> kernel???
> >  >
> >  > F
> >  >
> >  > F
> >  >
> >  > On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 5:05 PM Fritz Hudnut
> > mailto:este.el@gmail.com>
> >  > >>
> wrote:
> >  >
> >  > Welp . . . not getting it . . . .  I ran mainline to
> >  > --install-latest   and it installed 5.19.5 kernel.  It said
> > on the
> >  > console, "reboot to select new kernel."  Rebooted over to TW
> > and ran
> >  > "grub2-mkconfig xxx" to get it to run os-prober and make
> > a new
> >  > grub . . . .  Shut down.  Cold booted to grub and selected Lu
> > . . .
> >  > 

Re: [lubuntu-users] What happened?? kernel not upgrading during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi again Fritz,

Is the problematic system your main system or 'only' a test system? If a 
test system you might just reinstall it to get rid of the problem.


Best regards
Nio

Den 2022-09-16 kl. 21:17, skrev Fritz Hudnut:

Nio:

Thanks for getting back to me about it . . . .  I haven't had the time 
to mess with it just yet.  I was thinking that that UUID number didn't 
match anything in, what, "blkid" . . . ???  I couldn't find in my notes 
how to see what my master grub in TW is using to identify the UUID 
numbers of each of the 8 systems "/" filesystem to know where to boot it??


And, then I wasn't sure if I needed to fix that "resume from swap" 
issue, or if that is correct and what should be resumed from???  I have 
had this issue show up over the years, learned how to fix it, fixed it . 
. . but then time passes and I forget the way to fix it . . . .


It's not the end of the world, it's just that kinetic is now stuck in 
5.13 . . . instead of 5.19 . . . .  The question is, whether the problem 
is something in Lubuntu that "messed with itself" OR as "historically," 
something in "ubuntu" grub cut across into the master grub file data in 
TW and created a problem for Lubuntu


On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 11:55 AM Nio Wiklund > wrote:


Hi Fritz,

I think (but am not sure) that 'resume' means resume from hibernation
using the swap space at the specified target. Please check if that UUID
matches a swap partition.

Best regards
Nio

Den 2022-09-11 kl. 20:45, skrev Fritz Hudnut:
 > Top posting:
 >
 > This is the current data from Lubuntu, and that UUID number
doesn't show
 > up anywhere in "sudo blkid" from in the Lu system.  But I did
write that
 > number down from some "error" reports showing in the console
during the
 > last apt dist-upgrade that I ran yesterday in Lu.  Somehow
perhaps apt
 > did something to  mess itself up??
 >
 > [CODE] sudo cat /etc/default/grub
 > # If you change this file, run 'update-grub' afterwards to update
 > # /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
 > # For full documentation of the options in this file, see:
 > #   info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'
 >
 > GRUB_DEFAULT=0
 > GRUB_TIMEOUT=0
 > GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR='lubuntu1910'
 > GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash
 > resume=UUID=f9ae531f-ec45-4a13-a75d-d3fd4cd80fe0"
 > GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" [/CODE]
 >
 > Do I want to edit that "quiet splash resume" data to match the
/dev/sdc7
 > location of the Lubuntu "/" UUID??
 >
 > [CODE] /dev/sdc7: UUID="17bcb813-d05e-4cc3-bcdf-16d283156780" 
[/CODE]

 >
 > And, then try to again run the grub bootloader to get it to find
a newer
 > location of Lu that would then allow upgrading to 5.19 xx kernel???
 >
 > F
 >
 > F
 >
 > On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 5:05 PM Fritz Hudnut
mailto:este.el@gmail.com>
 > >> wrote:
 >
 >     Welp . . . not getting it . . . .  I ran mainline to
 >     --install-latest   and it installed 5.19.5 kernel.  It said
on the
 >     console, "reboot to select new kernel."  Rebooted over to TW
and ran
 >     "grub2-mkconfig xxx" to get it to run os-prober and make
a new
 >     grub . . . .  Shut down.  Cold booted to grub and selected Lu
. . .
 >     and still running kernel is 5.13 . . . ???
 >
 >     I tried to uninstall oldest kernel but mainline said, "error:
can't
 >     find running kernel."  Ssked mainline to list the kernels and
then
 >     it showed 5.13 as "running" . . . and there are two 5.19 kernel
 >     options showing as installed in the list???
 >
 >     I had a similar type of problem with Pop_OS! at one point, where
 >     they use the /efi/boot partition to install the kernel . . .
and it
 >     over-filled the directory with kernels . . . and couldn't get
grub
 >     to select the newer kernel . . . .  Turned out there, there was
 >     hardware issues . . . it all got rather "complicated" after a
lot of
 >     messing around.  Here I saw somewhere in apt it was saying
"trying
 >     to boot from /dev/sdc9" . . . and that is a swap partition .
. . .
 >
 >     Couldn't find my notes on how to show uuid  in efibootmgr to see
 >     what is showing up there.  Perhaps I'll use mainline to
remove the
 >     5.19 kernels and see then the next time if apt dist-upgrade will
 >     upgrade the kernel???
 >
 >     F
 >
 >
 >         On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 11:55 AM Nio Wiklund
 >         mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
 >
 >             Hi Fritz,
 >
 >             This is what I think:
 >
 >             If the active 

Re: [lubuntu-users] What happened?? kernel not upgrading during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Fritz Hudnut]

Nio:

Thanks for getting back to me about it . . . .  I haven't had the time to
mess with it just yet.  I was thinking that that UUID number didn't match
anything in, what, "blkid" . . . ???  I couldn't find in my notes how to
see what my master grub in TW is using to identify the UUID numbers of each
of the 8 systems "/" filesystem to know where to boot it??

And, then I wasn't sure if I needed to fix that "resume from swap" issue,
or if that is correct and what should be resumed from???  I have had this
issue show up over the years, learned how to fix it, fixed it . . . but
then time passes and I forget the way to fix it . . . .

It's not the end of the world, it's just that kinetic is now stuck in 5.13
. . . instead of 5.19 . . . .  The question is, whether the problem is
something in Lubuntu that "messed with itself" OR as "historically,"
something in "ubuntu" grub cut across into the master grub file data in TW
and created a problem for Lubuntu

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 11:55 AM Nio Wiklund  wrote:

> Hi Fritz,
>
> I think (but am not sure) that 'resume' means resume from hibernation
> using the swap space at the specified target. Please check if that UUID
> matches a swap partition.
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>
> Den 2022-09-11 kl. 20:45, skrev Fritz Hudnut:
> > Top posting:
> >
> > This is the current data from Lubuntu, and that UUID number doesn't show
> > up anywhere in "sudo blkid" from in the Lu system.  But I did write that
> > number down from some "error" reports showing in the console during the
> > last apt dist-upgrade that I ran yesterday in Lu.  Somehow perhaps apt
> > did something to  mess itself up??
> >
> > [CODE] sudo cat /etc/default/grub
> > # If you change this file, run 'update-grub' afterwards to update
> > # /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
> > # For full documentation of the options in this file, see:
> > #   info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'
> >
> > GRUB_DEFAULT=0
> > GRUB_TIMEOUT=0
> > GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR='lubuntu1910'
> > GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash
> > resume=UUID=f9ae531f-ec45-4a13-a75d-d3fd4cd80fe0"
> > GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" [/CODE]
> >
> > Do I want to edit that "quiet splash resume" data to match the /dev/sdc7
> > location of the Lubuntu "/" UUID??
> >
> > [CODE] /dev/sdc7: UUID="17bcb813-d05e-4cc3-bcdf-16d283156780"  [/CODE]
> >
> > And, then try to again run the grub bootloader to get it to find a newer
> > location of Lu that would then allow upgrading to 5.19 xx kernel???
> >
> > F
> >
> > F
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 5:05 PM Fritz Hudnut  > > wrote:
> >
> > Welp . . . not getting it . . . .  I ran mainline to
> > --install-latest   and it installed 5.19.5 kernel.  It said on the
> > console, "reboot to select new kernel."  Rebooted over to TW and ran
> > "grub2-mkconfig xxx" to get it to run os-prober and make a new
> > grub . . . .  Shut down.  Cold booted to grub and selected Lu . . .
> > and still running kernel is 5.13 . . . ???
> >
> > I tried to uninstall oldest kernel but mainline said, "error: can't
> > find running kernel."  Ssked mainline to list the kernels and then
> > it showed 5.13 as "running" . . . and there are two 5.19 kernel
> > options showing as installed in the list???
> >
> > I had a similar type of problem with Pop_OS! at one point, where
> > they use the /efi/boot partition to install the kernel . . . and it
> > over-filled the directory with kernels . . . and couldn't get grub
> > to select the newer kernel . . . .  Turned out there, there was
> > hardware issues . . . it all got rather "complicated" after a lot of
> > messing around.  Here I saw somewhere in apt it was saying "trying
> > to boot from /dev/sdc9" . . . and that is a swap partition . . . .
> >
> > Couldn't find my notes on how to show uuid  in efibootmgr to see
> > what is showing up there.  Perhaps I'll use mainline to remove the
> > 5.19 kernels and see then the next time if apt dist-upgrade will
> > upgrade the kernel???
> >
> > F
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 11:55 AM Nio Wiklund
> > mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Fritz,
> >
> > This is what I think:
> >
> > If the active grub is controlled by some other distro in a
> > dual-boot or
> > multi-boot setup,
> >
> > sudo update-grub
> >
> > of Lubuntu will not upgrade which kernel it points to. You
> > should boot
> > into the system that controls the active grub and run
> >
> > sudo update-grub
> >
> > or some corresponding command. Chances are that it will make
> > Lubuntu
> > boot into the 5.19 kernel.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Nio
> >
> >
>
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Re: [lubuntu-users] What happened?? kernel not upgrading during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi Fritz,

I think (but am not sure) that 'resume' means resume from hibernation 
using the swap space at the specified target. Please check if that UUID 
matches a swap partition.


Best regards
Nio

Den 2022-09-11 kl. 20:45, skrev Fritz Hudnut:

Top posting:

This is the current data from Lubuntu, and that UUID number doesn't show 
up anywhere in "sudo blkid" from in the Lu system.  But I did write that 
number down from some "error" reports showing in the console during the 
last apt dist-upgrade that I ran yesterday in Lu.  Somehow perhaps apt 
did something to  mess itself up??


[CODE] sudo cat /etc/default/grub
# If you change this file, run 'update-grub' afterwards to update
# /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
# For full documentation of the options in this file, see:
#   info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'

GRUB_DEFAULT=0
GRUB_TIMEOUT=0
GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR='lubuntu1910'
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash 
resume=UUID=f9ae531f-ec45-4a13-a75d-d3fd4cd80fe0"

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" [/CODE]

Do I want to edit that "quiet splash resume" data to match the /dev/sdc7 
location of the Lubuntu "/" UUID??


[CODE] /dev/sdc7: UUID="17bcb813-d05e-4cc3-bcdf-16d283156780"  [/CODE]

And, then try to again run the grub bootloader to get it to find a newer 
location of Lu that would then allow upgrading to 5.19 xx kernel???


F

F

On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 5:05 PM Fritz Hudnut > wrote:


Welp . . . not getting it . . . .  I ran mainline to
--install-latest   and it installed 5.19.5 kernel.  It said on the
console, "reboot to select new kernel."  Rebooted over to TW and ran
"grub2-mkconfig xxx" to get it to run os-prober and make a new
grub . . . .  Shut down.  Cold booted to grub and selected Lu . . .
and still running kernel is 5.13 . . . ???

I tried to uninstall oldest kernel but mainline said, "error: can't
find running kernel."  Ssked mainline to list the kernels and then
it showed 5.13 as "running" . . . and there are two 5.19 kernel
options showing as installed in the list???

I had a similar type of problem with Pop_OS! at one point, where
they use the /efi/boot partition to install the kernel . . . and it
over-filled the directory with kernels . . . and couldn't get grub
to select the newer kernel . . . .  Turned out there, there was
hardware issues . . . it all got rather "complicated" after a lot of
messing around.  Here I saw somewhere in apt it was saying "trying
to boot from /dev/sdc9" . . . and that is a swap partition . . . .

Couldn't find my notes on how to show uuid  in efibootmgr to see
what is showing up there.  Perhaps I'll use mainline to remove the
5.19 kernels and see then the next time if apt dist-upgrade will
upgrade the kernel???

F


On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 11:55 AM Nio Wiklund
mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Fritz,

This is what I think:

If the active grub is controlled by some other distro in a
dual-boot or
multi-boot setup,

sudo update-grub

of Lubuntu will not upgrade which kernel it points to. You
should boot
into the system that controls the active grub and run

sudo update-grub

or some corresponding command. Chances are that it will make
Lubuntu
boot into the 5.19 kernel.

Best regards
Nio





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Re: [lubuntu-users] What happened?? kernel not upgrading during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Fritz Hudnut]

Top posting:

This is the current data from Lubuntu, and that UUID number doesn't show up
anywhere in "sudo blkid" from in the Lu system.  But I did write that
number down from some "error" reports showing in the console during the
last apt dist-upgrade that I ran yesterday in Lu.  Somehow perhaps apt did
something to  mess itself up??

[CODE] sudo cat /etc/default/grub
# If you change this file, run 'update-grub' afterwards to update
# /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
# For full documentation of the options in this file, see:
#   info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'

GRUB_DEFAULT=0
GRUB_TIMEOUT=0
GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR='lubuntu1910'
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash
resume=UUID=f9ae531f-ec45-4a13-a75d-d3fd4cd80fe0"
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" [/CODE]

Do I want to edit that "quiet splash resume" data to match the /dev/sdc7
location of the Lubuntu "/" UUID??

[CODE] /dev/sdc7: UUID="17bcb813-d05e-4cc3-bcdf-16d283156780"  [/CODE]

And, then try to again run the grub bootloader to get it to find a newer
location of Lu that would then allow upgrading to 5.19 xx kernel???

F

F

On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 5:05 PM Fritz Hudnut  wrote:

> Welp . . . not getting it . . . .  I ran mainline to --install-latest
> and it installed 5.19.5 kernel.  It said on the console, "reboot to select
> new kernel."  Rebooted over to TW and ran "grub2-mkconfig xxx" to get
> it to run os-prober and make a new grub . . . .  Shut down.  Cold booted to
> grub and selected Lu . . . and still running kernel is 5.13 . . . ???
>
> I tried to uninstall oldest kernel but mainline said, "error: can't find
> running kernel."  Ssked mainline to list the kernels and then it showed
> 5.13 as "running" . . . and there are two 5.19 kernel options showing as
> installed in the list???
>
> I had a similar type of problem with Pop_OS! at one point, where they use
> the /efi/boot partition to install the kernel . . . and it over-filled the
> directory with kernels . . . and couldn't get grub to select the newer
> kernel . . . .  Turned out there, there was hardware issues . . . it all
> got rather "complicated" after a lot of messing around.  Here I saw
> somewhere in apt it was saying "trying to boot from /dev/sdc9" . . . and
> that is a swap partition . . . .
>
> Couldn't find my notes on how to show uuid  in efibootmgr to see what is
> showing up there.  Perhaps I'll use mainline to remove the 5.19 kernels and
> see then the next time if apt dist-upgrade will upgrade the kernel???
>
> F
>
>
>>

> On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 11:55 AM Nio Wiklund 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Fritz,
>>>
>>> This is what I think:
>>>
>>> If the active grub is controlled by some other distro in a dual-boot or
>>> multi-boot setup,
>>>
>>> sudo update-grub
>>>
>>> of Lubuntu will not upgrade which kernel it points to. You should boot
>>> into the system that controls the active grub and run
>>>
>>> sudo update-grub
>>>
>>> or some corresponding command. Chances are that it will make Lubuntu
>>> boot into the 5.19 kernel.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Nio
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [lubuntu-users] What happened?? kernel not upgrading during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Fritz Hudnut]

Welp . . . not getting it . . . .  I ran mainline to --install-latest   and
it installed 5.19.5 kernel.  It said on the console, "reboot to select new
kernel."  Rebooted over to TW and ran "grub2-mkconfig xxx" to get it to
run os-prober and make a new grub . . . .  Shut down.  Cold booted to grub
and selected Lu . . . and still running kernel is 5.13 . . . ???

I tried to uninstall oldest kernel but mainline said, "error: can't find
running kernel."  Ssked mainline to list the kernels and then it showed
5.13 as "running" . . . and there are two 5.19 kernel options showing as
installed in the list???

I had a similar type of problem with Pop_OS! at one point, where they use
the /efi/boot partition to install the kernel . . . and it over-filled the
directory with kernels . . . and couldn't get grub to select the newer
kernel . . . .  Turned out there, there was hardware issues . . . it all
got rather "complicated" after a lot of messing around.  Here I saw
somewhere in apt it was saying "trying to boot from /dev/sdc9" . . . and
that is a swap partition . . . .

Couldn't find my notes on how to show uuid  in efibootmgr to see what is
showing up there.  Perhaps I'll use mainline to remove the 5.19 kernels and
see then the next time if apt dist-upgrade will upgrade the kernel???

F

On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 12:45 PM Fritz Hudnut  wrote:

> Nio:
>
> Right you are . . . there is something that "grub" is missing . . . .
> **Ordinarily** I can just refresh the bootloader in TW, which is the master
> controller and that picks up the weekly kernel changes . . . .  But,
> sometimes possibly something happens that messes up something like the
> UUID's for the partitions and then I have to run a command to make the new
> grub listing . . . .
>
> I've tried to disable grub in the non-controller systems, but seems like
> in ubuntu they don't want to relinquish control over grub???  I and others
> had a bug report going on it . . . possibly this is why at times grub
> "loses track" of the kernel options . . . ???
>
> And, then combined with old guy memory of what was done to fix stuff . . .
> .  Historically I have had to "chroot" into the TW install to update grub
> due to these "conflicts" over who gets to run grub . . . .
>
> But, thanks for the reminder on it . . . .  : - 0  "What day is this???"
> [senior question that older folks used to ask when I was do acu treatment
> in hospitals]  Seize the day and update-grub!!
>
> F
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 11:55 AM Nio Wiklund 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Fritz,
>>
>> This is what I think:
>>
>> If the active grub is controlled by some other distro in a dual-boot or
>> multi-boot setup,
>>
>> sudo update-grub
>>
>> of Lubuntu will not upgrade which kernel it points to. You should boot
>> into the system that controls the active grub and run
>>
>> sudo update-grub
>>
>> or some corresponding command. Chances are that it will make Lubuntu
>> boot into the 5.19 kernel.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [lubuntu-users] What happened?? apt freezes during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Fritz Hudnut]

Nio:

Right you are . . . there is something that "grub" is missing . . . .
**Ordinarily** I can just refresh the bootloader in TW, which is the master
controller and that picks up the weekly kernel changes . . . .  But,
sometimes possibly something happens that messes up something like the
UUID's for the partitions and then I have to run a command to make the new
grub listing . . . .

I've tried to disable grub in the non-controller systems, but seems like in
ubuntu they don't want to relinquish control over grub???  I and others had
a bug report going on it . . . possibly this is why at times grub "loses
track" of the kernel options . . . ???

And, then combined with old guy memory of what was done to fix stuff . . .
.  Historically I have had to "chroot" into the TW install to update grub
due to these "conflicts" over who gets to run grub . . . .

But, thanks for the reminder on it . . . .  : - 0  "What day is this???"
[senior question that older folks used to ask when I was do acu treatment
in hospitals]  Seize the day and update-grub!!

F

On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 11:55 AM Nio Wiklund  wrote:

> Hi Fritz,
>
> This is what I think:
>
> If the active grub is controlled by some other distro in a dual-boot or
> multi-boot setup,
>
> sudo update-grub
>
> of Lubuntu will not upgrade which kernel it points to. You should boot
> into the system that controls the active grub and run
>
> sudo update-grub
>
> or some corresponding command. Chances are that it will make Lubuntu
> boot into the 5.19 kernel.
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>
> Den 2022-09-10 kl. 20:27, skrev Fritz Hudnut:
> > So, following up on my investigations . . . synaptic "kernels" does show
> > "5.19" as "installed" . . . but uname -r still shows that 5.13 is being
> > selected???
> >
> > I installed "mainline" some time back, but forgot how to use it . . .
> > until I found the github page tabbed in FF.  I ran a couple commands and
> > it shows:  [CODE] $ mainline --list-installed
> > mainline 1.0.16
> > Distribution: Ubuntu Kinetic Kudu (development branch)
> > Architecture: amd64
> > Running kernel: 5.13.0-16-generic
> > --
> > Found installed: 5.19.0-15.15
> > Found installed: 5.19.0.15.15
> > Found installed: 5.13.0-16.16
> > --
> > --
> > [/CODE]
> >
> > I forget how to get it to switch the kernel . . . 5.19 is "installed"
> > but grub is still selecting 5.13 . . . do I run "mainline
> > --install-latest" to "reinstall" . . . or is this a grub error of some
> > type???
> >
> > I went into grub's "advanced options" and it's only showing three
> > options for 5.13 . . . I selected recovery and ran fsck which did
> > nothing, and then dpkg . . . which also found nothing . . . .  In the
> > sense that the system is not finding anything "broken" . . . but it
> > isn't sliding up to select 5.19 options . . . .
> >
> > F
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 8:35 AM Fritz Hudnut  > > wrote:
> >
> > I jumped the queue and booted Lu this morning . . . it was still
> > showing 5.13 as the kernel . . . ran a 93 package upgrade . . . no
> > mention of a kernel in the list . . . went through w/o error . . . .
> >
> > Booted over into master grub control system . . . updated the grub
> > bootloader . . . then back into Lu . . . ran another apt . . .
> > couple packages to upgrade . . . nothing on the kernel.
> >
> > Uname -r still showing "5.13.0-16" . . .   I guess the question
> > is, if Sid is running 5.10 why would kinetic be running 5.19???
> >
> > And, then, other interesting question, why did apt show something
> > like 5.15 the last time I was in Lu . . . but then "hang" and lose
> > track of it???
> >
> > These are somewhat "moot" . . . in that Lu boots and runs OK . . .
> > but, something "happened" last week . . .
> >
> > F
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 12:51 PM Fritz Hudnut  > > wrote:
> >
> > Nio:
> >
> > I guess there was a post on the list that I didn't get, as I'm
> > on digest . . . .  But, thanks guys for checking on the "5.19" .
> > . . I'm doing "weekly" apt update/upgrade and pretty sure I saw
> > it was attempting to install 5.15??? (something less than 5.19)
> > and then now seems to have selected 5.13 . . . ???
> >
> > I ran the master grub bootloader this morning, which should
> > select the newest kernel in Lu . . . next time I boot into it .
> > . . .  And I did run "apt -f install" and that brought back
> > "nothing to do" . . . it didn't show anything "broken" and so
> forth.
> >
> > I will also check synaptic to see if it shows anything broken .
> > . . sometimes it can actually "fix broken"  and sometimes it

Re: [lubuntu-users] What happened?? apt freezes during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi Fritz,

This is what I think:

If the active grub is controlled by some other distro in a dual-boot or 
multi-boot setup,


sudo update-grub

of Lubuntu will not upgrade which kernel it points to. You should boot 
into the system that controls the active grub and run


sudo update-grub

or some corresponding command. Chances are that it will make Lubuntu 
boot into the 5.19 kernel.


Best regards
Nio

Den 2022-09-10 kl. 20:27, skrev Fritz Hudnut:
So, following up on my investigations . . . synaptic "kernels" does show 
"5.19" as "installed" . . . but uname -r still shows that 5.13 is being 
selected???


I installed "mainline" some time back, but forgot how to use it . . . 
until I found the github page tabbed in FF.  I ran a couple commands and 
it shows:  [CODE] $ mainline --list-installed

mainline 1.0.16
Distribution: Ubuntu Kinetic Kudu (development branch)
Architecture: amd64
Running kernel: 5.13.0-16-generic
--
Found installed: 5.19.0-15.15
Found installed: 5.19.0.15.15
Found installed: 5.13.0-16.16
--
--  
[/CODE]


I forget how to get it to switch the kernel . . . 5.19 is "installed" 
but grub is still selecting 5.13 . . . do I run "mainline 
--install-latest" to "reinstall" . . . or is this a grub error of some 
type???


I went into grub's "advanced options" and it's only showing three 
options for 5.13 . . . I selected recovery and ran fsck which did 
nothing, and then dpkg . . . which also found nothing . . . .  In the 
sense that the system is not finding anything "broken" . . . but it 
isn't sliding up to select 5.19 options . . . .


F

On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 8:35 AM Fritz Hudnut > wrote:


I jumped the queue and booted Lu this morning . . . it was still
showing 5.13 as the kernel . . . ran a 93 package upgrade . . . no
mention of a kernel in the list . . . went through w/o error . . . .

Booted over into master grub control system . . . updated the grub
bootloader . . . then back into Lu . . . ran another apt . . .
couple packages to upgrade . . . nothing on the kernel.

Uname -r still showing "5.13.0-16" . . .   I guess the question
is, if Sid is running 5.10 why would kinetic be running 5.19???

And, then, other interesting question, why did apt show something
like 5.15 the last time I was in Lu . . . but then "hang" and lose
track of it???

These are somewhat "moot" . . . in that Lu boots and runs OK . . .
but, something "happened" last week . . .

F

On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 12:51 PM Fritz Hudnut mailto:este.el@gmail.com>> wrote:

Nio:

I guess there was a post on the list that I didn't get, as I'm
on digest . . . .  But, thanks guys for checking on the "5.19" .
. . I'm doing "weekly" apt update/upgrade and pretty sure I saw
it was attempting to install 5.15??? (something less than 5.19) 
and then now seems to have selected 5.13 . . . ???


I ran the master grub bootloader this morning, which should
select the newest kernel in Lu . . . next time I boot into it .
. . .  And I did run "apt -f install" and that brought back
"nothing to do" . . . it didn't show anything "broken" and so forth.

I will also check synaptic to see if it shows anything broken .
. . sometimes it can actually "fix broken"  and sometimes it
"blinks its eyes" and nothing happens . . . .  I was looking
through my cheat sheet notes for how to fix problems, but I
didn't see anything on "dpkg" and/or how to use it to find and
fix any issues . . . ???

Anyway . . . I'll get back to it in a bit and see if grub found
the 5.19 kernel option to boot up . . . .


On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Nio Wiklund
mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Den 2022-09-06 kl. 20:57, skrev Israel Dahl:
 > On 9/6/22 09:31, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
 >> > . . . .  On cold boot FF came back.
 >>
 >>     >
 >>     > But, the question of what happened with apt was
the more important
 >>     > question . . . was it trying to install a too new
kernel and then
 >>     > tried to back out of it?  It was an odd episode .
. . .
 >>     >
 >>     > F
 >>     >
 >>     Hey Fritz,
 >>
 >>     You could search for the available kernels to see
which ones are
 >>     available, and which ones are installed.
 >>
 >>     You can also look in the /var/log/dpkg.log something
like:
 >>
 >>     grep "upgrade " 

Re: [lubuntu-users] What happened?? apt freezes during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Fritz Hudnut]

So, following up on my investigations . . . synaptic "kernels" does show
"5.19" as "installed" . . . but uname -r still shows that 5.13 is being
selected???

I installed "mainline" some time back, but forgot how to use it . . . until
I found the github page tabbed in FF.  I ran a couple commands and it
shows:  [CODE] $ mainline --list-installed
mainline 1.0.16
Distribution: Ubuntu Kinetic Kudu (development branch)
Architecture: amd64
Running kernel: 5.13.0-16-generic
--
Found installed: 5.19.0-15.15
Found installed: 5.19.0.15.15
Found installed: 5.13.0-16.16
--
--
[/CODE]

I forget how to get it to switch the kernel . . . 5.19 is "installed" but
grub is still selecting 5.13 . . . do I run "mainline --install-latest" to
"reinstall" . . . or is this a grub error of some type???

I went into grub's "advanced options" and it's only showing three options
for 5.13 . . . I selected recovery and ran fsck which did nothing, and then
dpkg . . . which also found nothing . . . .  In the sense that the system
is not finding anything "broken" . . . but it isn't sliding up to select
5.19 options . . . .

F

On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 8:35 AM Fritz Hudnut  wrote:

> I jumped the queue and booted Lu this morning . . . it was still showing
> 5.13 as the kernel . . . ran a 93 package upgrade . . . no mention of a
> kernel in the list . . . went through w/o error . . . .
>
> Booted over into master grub control system . . . updated the grub
> bootloader . . . then back into Lu . . . ran another apt . . . couple
> packages to upgrade . . . nothing on the kernel.
>
> Uname -r still showing "5.13.0-16" . . .   I guess the question is, if
> Sid is running 5.10 why would kinetic be running 5.19???
>
> And, then, other interesting question, why did apt show something like
> 5.15 the last time I was in Lu . . . but then "hang" and lose track of it???
>
> These are somewhat "moot" . . . in that Lu boots and runs OK . . . but,
> something "happened" last week . . .
>
> F
>
> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 12:51 PM Fritz Hudnut 
> wrote:
>
>> Nio:
>>
>> I guess there was a post on the list that I didn't get, as I'm on digest
>> . . . .  But, thanks guys for checking on the "5.19" . . . I'm doing
>> "weekly" apt update/upgrade and pretty sure I saw it was attempting to
>> install 5.15??? (something less than 5.19)  and then now seems to have
>> selected 5.13 . . . ???
>>
>> I ran the master grub bootloader this morning, which should select the
>> newest kernel in Lu . . . next time I boot into it . . . .  And I did run
>> "apt -f install" and that brought back "nothing to do" . . . it didn't show
>> anything "broken" and so forth.
>>
>> I will also check synaptic to see if it shows anything broken . . .
>> sometimes it can actually "fix broken"  and sometimes it "blinks its eyes"
>> and nothing happens . . . .  I was looking through my cheat sheet notes for
>> how to fix problems, but I didn't see anything on "dpkg" and/or how to use
>> it to find and fix any issues . . . ???
>>
>> Anyway . . . I'll get back to it in a bit and see if grub found the 5.19
>> kernel option to boot up . . . .
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Nio Wiklund 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Den 2022-09-06 kl. 20:57, skrev Israel Dahl:
>>> > On 9/6/22 09:31, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
>>> >> > . . . .  On cold boot FF came back.
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > But, the question of what happened with apt was the more
>>> important
>>> >> > question . . . was it trying to install a too new kernel and
>>> then
>>> >> > tried to back out of it?  It was an odd episode . . . .
>>> >> >
>>> >> > F
>>> >> >
>>> >> Hey Fritz,
>>> >>
>>> >> You could search for the available kernels to see which ones are
>>> >> available, and which ones are installed.
>>> >>
>>> >> You can also look in the /var/log/dpkg.log something like:
>>> >>
>>> >> grep "upgrade " /var/log/dpkg.log
>>> >>
>>> >> That might give you a starting point.
>>> >>
>>> >> As for the disappearance of firefox, I think snap/flatpak packages
>>> >> don't
>>> >> always show up after install, there may be a way to force it to
>>> >> update
>>> >> the menus but I don't really like to use either of those unless I
>>> >> *really* have to, so I don't know off the top of my head/
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> 
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Israel:
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks for the suggestions . . . I'll check into them when I get back
>>> >> to Lu in a few days.  One of my problems is that since I'm rotating
>>> >> OSs each day, I don't know where each system is vis the kernel.
>>> >> Possibly kinetic is a "5.13" base system, but I did see "5.15" in the
>>> >> upgrade list. Yesterday I was in Tumbleweed, which is 5.19 . . . and
>>> >> then today I'm in Deb Sid, which I 

Re: [lubuntu-users] What happened?? apt freezes during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Fritz Hudnut]

I jumped the queue and booted Lu this morning . . . it was still showing
5.13 as the kernel . . . ran a 93 package upgrade . . . no mention of a
kernel in the list . . . went through w/o error . . . .

Booted over into master grub control system . . . updated the grub
bootloader . . . then back into Lu . . . ran another apt . . . couple
packages to upgrade . . . nothing on the kernel.

Uname -r still showing "5.13.0-16" . . .   I guess the question is, if
Sid is running 5.10 why would kinetic be running 5.19???

And, then, other interesting question, why did apt show something like 5.15
the last time I was in Lu . . . but then "hang" and lose track of it???

These are somewhat "moot" . . . in that Lu boots and runs OK . . . but,
something "happened" last week . . .

F

On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 12:51 PM Fritz Hudnut  wrote:

> Nio:
>
> I guess there was a post on the list that I didn't get, as I'm on digest .
> . . .  But, thanks guys for checking on the "5.19" . . . I'm doing "weekly"
> apt update/upgrade and pretty sure I saw it was attempting to install
> 5.15??? (something less than 5.19)  and then now seems to have selected
> 5.13 . . . ???
>
> I ran the master grub bootloader this morning, which should select the
> newest kernel in Lu . . . next time I boot into it . . . .  And I did run
> "apt -f install" and that brought back "nothing to do" . . . it didn't show
> anything "broken" and so forth.
>
> I will also check synaptic to see if it shows anything broken . . .
> sometimes it can actually "fix broken"  and sometimes it "blinks its eyes"
> and nothing happens . . . .  I was looking through my cheat sheet notes for
> how to fix problems, but I didn't see anything on "dpkg" and/or how to use
> it to find and fix any issues . . . ???
>
> Anyway . . . I'll get back to it in a bit and see if grub found the 5.19
> kernel option to boot up . . . .
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Nio Wiklund  wrote:
>
>> Den 2022-09-06 kl. 20:57, skrev Israel Dahl:
>> > On 9/6/22 09:31, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
>> >> > . . . .  On cold boot FF came back.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > But, the question of what happened with apt was the more
>> important
>> >> > question . . . was it trying to install a too new kernel and then
>> >> > tried to back out of it?  It was an odd episode . . . .
>> >> >
>> >> > F
>> >> >
>> >> Hey Fritz,
>> >>
>> >> You could search for the available kernels to see which ones are
>> >> available, and which ones are installed.
>> >>
>> >> You can also look in the /var/log/dpkg.log something like:
>> >>
>> >> grep "upgrade " /var/log/dpkg.log
>> >>
>> >> That might give you a starting point.
>> >>
>> >> As for the disappearance of firefox, I think snap/flatpak packages
>> >> don't
>> >> always show up after install, there may be a way to force it to
>> >> update
>> >> the menus but I don't really like to use either of those unless I
>> >> *really* have to, so I don't know off the top of my head/
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Israel:
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the suggestions . . . I'll check into them when I get back
>> >> to Lu in a few days.  One of my problems is that since I'm rotating
>> >> OSs each day, I don't know where each system is vis the kernel.
>> >> Possibly kinetic is a "5.13" base system, but I did see "5.15" in the
>> >> upgrade list. Yesterday I was in Tumbleweed, which is 5.19 . . . and
>> >> then today I'm in Deb Sid, which I thought would be like 5.20??? but,
>> >> nope, uname -r shows "5.10" . . . .
>> >>
>> >> The good news is that whatever blew up in the middle or end of the
>> >> apt, the kinetic system rebooted into the GUI . . . .  It was just a
>> >> rare instance of a "hang" in the apt dist-upgrade.
>> >>
>> >> F
>> >>
>> > It looks like Kinetic has a 5.19 now, so you should try to update again.
>> >
>> > You should check to see that everything was unpacked in that last
>> > upgrade as well.  You might need to use dpkg to fix things if not.
>> >
>> > --
>> > 
>>
>> Hi Fritz and Israel,
>>
>> I can confirm that Kinetic is a 5.19 now. Today I installed Lubuntu via
>>
>> kinetic-preinstalled-server-amd64.img.xz
>>
>> and lubuntu-desktop, installed into it when running in an external SSD
>> according to
>>
>> "Ubuntu Server amd64 compressed image (when extracted) boots in UEFI and
>> BIOS mode",
>>
>> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2474692
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [lubuntu-users] What happened?? apt freezes during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Fritz Hudnut]

Nio:

I guess there was a post on the list that I didn't get, as I'm on digest .
. . .  But, thanks guys for checking on the "5.19" . . . I'm doing "weekly"
apt update/upgrade and pretty sure I saw it was attempting to install
5.15??? (something less than 5.19)  and then now seems to have selected
5.13 . . . ???

I ran the master grub bootloader this morning, which should select the
newest kernel in Lu . . . next time I boot into it . . . .  And I did run
"apt -f install" and that brought back "nothing to do" . . . it didn't show
anything "broken" and so forth.

I will also check synaptic to see if it shows anything broken . . .
sometimes it can actually "fix broken"  and sometimes it "blinks its eyes"
and nothing happens . . . .  I was looking through my cheat sheet notes for
how to fix problems, but I didn't see anything on "dpkg" and/or how to use
it to find and fix any issues . . . ???

Anyway . . . I'll get back to it in a bit and see if grub found the 5.19
kernel option to boot up . . . .


On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Nio Wiklund  wrote:

> Den 2022-09-06 kl. 20:57, skrev Israel Dahl:
> > On 9/6/22 09:31, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
> >> > . . . .  On cold boot FF came back.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > But, the question of what happened with apt was the more important
> >> > question . . . was it trying to install a too new kernel and then
> >> > tried to back out of it?  It was an odd episode . . . .
> >> >
> >> > F
> >> >
> >> Hey Fritz,
> >>
> >> You could search for the available kernels to see which ones are
> >> available, and which ones are installed.
> >>
> >> You can also look in the /var/log/dpkg.log something like:
> >>
> >> grep "upgrade " /var/log/dpkg.log
> >>
> >> That might give you a starting point.
> >>
> >> As for the disappearance of firefox, I think snap/flatpak packages
> >> don't
> >> always show up after install, there may be a way to force it to
> >> update
> >> the menus but I don't really like to use either of those unless I
> >> *really* have to, so I don't know off the top of my head/
> >>
> >> --
> >> 
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Israel:
> >>
> >> Thanks for the suggestions . . . I'll check into them when I get back
> >> to Lu in a few days.  One of my problems is that since I'm rotating
> >> OSs each day, I don't know where each system is vis the kernel.
> >> Possibly kinetic is a "5.13" base system, but I did see "5.15" in the
> >> upgrade list. Yesterday I was in Tumbleweed, which is 5.19 . . . and
> >> then today I'm in Deb Sid, which I thought would be like 5.20??? but,
> >> nope, uname -r shows "5.10" . . . .
> >>
> >> The good news is that whatever blew up in the middle or end of the
> >> apt, the kinetic system rebooted into the GUI . . . .  It was just a
> >> rare instance of a "hang" in the apt dist-upgrade.
> >>
> >> F
> >>
> > It looks like Kinetic has a 5.19 now, so you should try to update again.
> >
> > You should check to see that everything was unpacked in that last
> > upgrade as well.  You might need to use dpkg to fix things if not.
> >
> > --
> > 
>
> Hi Fritz and Israel,
>
> I can confirm that Kinetic is a 5.19 now. Today I installed Lubuntu via
>
> kinetic-preinstalled-server-amd64.img.xz
>
> and lubuntu-desktop, installed into it when running in an external SSD
> according to
>
> "Ubuntu Server amd64 compressed image (when extracted) boots in UEFI and
> BIOS mode",
>
> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2474692
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>
>
>
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Re: [lubuntu-users] What happened?? apt freezes during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Nio Wiklund]

Den 2022-09-06 kl. 20:57, skrev Israel Dahl:

On 9/6/22 09:31, Fritz Hudnut wrote:

> . . . .  On cold boot FF came back.

>
> But, the question of what happened with apt was the more important
> question . . . was it trying to install a too new kernel and then
> tried to back out of it?  It was an odd episode . . . .
>
> F
>
Hey Fritz,

You could search for the available kernels to see which ones are
available, and which ones are installed.

You can also look in the /var/log/dpkg.log something like:

grep "upgrade " /var/log/dpkg.log

That might give you a starting point.

As for the disappearance of firefox, I think snap/flatpak packages
don't
always show up after install, there may be a way to force it to
update
the menus but I don't really like to use either of those unless I
*really* have to, so I don't know off the top of my head/

-- 





Israel:

Thanks for the suggestions . . . I'll check into them when I get back 
to Lu in a few days.  One of my problems is that since I'm rotating 
OSs each day, I don't know where each system is vis the kernel.  
Possibly kinetic is a "5.13" base system, but I did see "5.15" in the 
upgrade list. Yesterday I was in Tumbleweed, which is 5.19 . . . and 
then today I'm in Deb Sid, which I thought would be like 5.20??? but, 
nope, uname -r shows "5.10" . . . .


The good news is that whatever blew up in the middle or end of the 
apt, the kinetic system rebooted into the GUI . . . .  It was just a 
rare instance of a "hang" in the apt dist-upgrade.


F


It looks like Kinetic has a 5.19 now, so you should try to update again.

You should check to see that everything was unpacked in that last 
upgrade as well.  You might need to use dpkg to fix things if not.


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Hi Fritz and Israel,

I can confirm that Kinetic is a 5.19 now. Today I installed Lubuntu via

kinetic-preinstalled-server-amd64.img.xz

and lubuntu-desktop, installed into it when running in an external SSD 
according to


"Ubuntu Server amd64 compressed image (when extracted) boots in UEFI and 
BIOS mode",


https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2474692

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Re: [lubuntu-users] What happened?? apt freezes during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Israel Dahl]

On 9/6/22 09:31, Fritz Hudnut wrote:

> . . . .  On cold boot FF came back.

>
> But, the question of what happened with apt was the more important
> question . . . was it trying to install a too new kernel and then
> tried to back out of it?  It was an odd episode . . . .
>
> F
>
Hey Fritz,

You could search for the available kernels to see which ones are
available, and which ones are installed.

You can also look in the /var/log/dpkg.log something like:

grep "upgrade " /var/log/dpkg.log

That might give you a starting point.

As for the disappearance of firefox, I think snap/flatpak packages
don't
always show up after install, there may be a way to force it to
update
the menus but I don't really like to use either of those unless I
*really* have to, so I don't know off the top of my head/

-- 
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Israel:

Thanks for the suggestions . . . I'll check into them when I get back 
to Lu in a few days.  One of my problems is that since I'm rotating 
OSs each day, I don't know where each system is vis the kernel.  
Possibly kinetic is a "5.13" base system, but I did see "5.15" in the 
upgrade list. Yesterday I was in Tumbleweed, which is 5.19 . . . and 
then today I'm in Deb Sid, which I thought would be like 5.20??? but, 
nope, uname -r shows "5.10" . . . .


The good news is that whatever blew up in the middle or end of the 
apt, the kinetic system rebooted into the GUI . . . .  It was just a 
rare instance of a "hang" in the apt dist-upgrade.


F


It looks like Kinetic has a 5.19 now, so you should try to update again.

You should check to see that everything was unpacked in that last 
upgrade as well.  You might need to use dpkg to fix things if not.


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[lubuntu-users] What happened?? apt freezes during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Fritz Hudnut]

> . . . .  On cold boot FF came back.

> >
> > But, the question of what happened with apt was the more important
> > question . . . was it trying to install a too new kernel and then
> > tried to back out of it?  It was an odd episode . . . .
> >
> > F
> >
> Hey Fritz,
>
> You could search for the available kernels to see which ones are
> available, and which ones are installed.
>
> You can also look in the /var/log/dpkg.log something like:
>
> grep "upgrade " /var/log/dpkg.log
>
> That might give you a starting point.
>
> As for the disappearance of firefox, I think snap/flatpak packages don't
> always show up after install, there may be a way to force it to update
> the menus but I don't really like to use either of those unless I
> *really* have to, so I don't know off the top of my head/
>
> --
> 
>
>
>
Israel:

Thanks for the suggestions . . . I'll check into them when I get back to Lu
in a few days.  One of my problems is that since I'm rotating OSs each day,
I don't know where each system is vis the kernel.  Possibly kinetic is a
"5.13" base system, but I did see "5.15" in the upgrade list.  Yesterday I
was in Tumbleweed, which is 5.19 . . . and then today I'm in Deb Sid, which
I thought would be like 5.20???  but, nope, uname -r shows "5.10" . . . .

The good news is that whatever blew up in the middle or end of the apt, the
kinetic system rebooted into the GUI . . . .  It was just a rare instance
of a "hang" in the apt dist-upgrade.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] What happened?? apt freezes during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Israel Dahl]

On 9/5/22 10:32, Fritz Hudnut wrote:


(snip)


Ralf:

Alrighty, thanks for the reply . . . the "disappearing Firefox" thing 
only was a problem as far as wanting a browser to search for answers 
to the problem of apt "hanging" in the process of updating the system 
. . . .  On cold boot FF came back.


But, the question of what happened with apt was the more important 
question . . . was it trying to install a too new kernel and then 
tried to back out of it?  It was an odd episode . . . .


F


Hey Fritz,

You could search for the available kernels to see which ones are 
available, and which ones are installed.


You can also look in the /var/log/dpkg.log something like:

grep "upgrade " /var/log/dpkg.log

That might give you a starting point.

As for the disappearance of firefox, I think snap/flatpak packages don't 
always show up after install, there may be a way to force it to update 
the menus but I don't really like to use either of those unless I 
*really* have to, so I don't know off the top of my head/


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[lubuntu-users] What happened?? apt freezes during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Fritz Hudnut]

On Sun, 2022-09-04 at 10:38 -0700, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
> > [snip] running kinetic this morning and executed "apt update && apt
> > dist-upgrade" [snip]
> > FireFox disappeared from the internet menu [snip]
>
> Hi,
>
> Firefox is not provided by the apt repositories.
>
> It's a "Transitional package - firefox -> firefox snap", see
> https://packages.ubuntu.com/kinetic/firefox , IOW the snap related
> upgrade process is providing Firefox.
>
> The "bin" provided by this package actually is a script, at least the
> jammy package's Firefox script starts with:
>
> "#!/bin/sh
> if ! [ -x /snap/bin/firefox ]; then
> echo "" >&2
> echo "Command '$0' requires the firefox snap to be installed." >&2
> echo "Please install it with:" >&2
> echo "" >&2
> echo "snap install firefox" >&2
> echo "" >&2
> exit 1
> fi"
>
> IMO the snap enforcement is the beginning of the end of Ubuntu flavours.
> Fortunately my everyday Linux is the rolling release Arch Linux. Ubuntu
> flavours were my long term support emergency Linux installs, but now I
> try to find a long term support replacement for Ubuntu flavours.
>
> Snaps are an Ubuntu only thingy. Other distros provide the snap
> infrastructure, but they are not supporting it. I also dislike
> alternatives, such as flatpak, but those at least enjoy a minimum of
> acceptance, while there's absolutely no acceptance for snaps outside of
> Ubuntu flavours.
>
> Regards,
> Ralf
>
>
>
Ralf:

Alrighty, thanks for the reply . . . the "disappearing Firefox" thing only
was a problem as far as wanting a browser to search for answers to the
problem of apt "hanging" in the process of updating the system . . . .  On
cold boot FF came back.

But, the question of what happened with apt was the more important question
. . . was it trying to install a too new kernel and then tried to back out
of it?  It was an odd episode . . . .

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Re: [lubuntu-users] What happened?? apt freezes during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 2022-09-04 at 10:38 -0700, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
> [snip] running kinetic this morning and executed "apt update && apt
> dist-upgrade" [snip]
> FireFox disappeared from the internet menu [snip]

Hi,

Firefox is not provided by the apt repositories.

It's a "Transitional package - firefox -> firefox snap", see
https://packages.ubuntu.com/kinetic/firefox , IOW the snap related
upgrade process is providing Firefox.

The "bin" provided by this package actually is a script, at least the
jammy package's Firefox script starts with:

"#!/bin/sh
if ! [ -x /snap/bin/firefox ]; then
echo "" >&2
echo "Command '$0' requires the firefox snap to be installed." >&2
echo "Please install it with:" >&2
echo "" >&2
echo "snap install firefox" >&2
echo "" >&2
exit 1
fi"

IMO the snap enforcement is the beginning of the end of Ubuntu flavours.
Fortunately my everyday Linux is the rolling release Arch Linux. Ubuntu
flavours were my long term support emergency Linux installs, but now I
try to find a long term support replacement for Ubuntu flavours.

Snaps are an Ubuntu only thingy. Other distros provide the snap
infrastructure, but they are not supporting it. I also dislike
alternatives, such as flatpak, but those at least enjoy a minimum of
acceptance, while there's absolutely no acceptance for snaps outside of
Ubuntu flavours.

Regards,
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[lubuntu-users] What happened?? apt freezes during dist-upgrade in kinetic??

[Fritz Hudnut]

Folks:

Once again in Lu can't access Discourse, so posting here . . . running
kinetic this morning and executed "apt update && apt dist-upgrade" . . .
showed a few hundred packages to install . . . midway through on #52???
there was a "hang" on what might have been "initrd - 5.15x"  and there
was an "error" showing in the update applet . . . something about "package
number count"???  Concurrently FireFox disappeared from the internet menu .
. . .

I couldn't "ctrl-c" out of the hang in the console . . . couldn't launch
synaptic because "apt" was locking access . . . didn't know the precise
command to "force quit apt" . . . I also tried "apt -f install" but that
wouldn't override apt's lock on the system.  Finally just shut down out of
it.

On cold boot in spite of hanging "halfway" . . . now it showed only one
package left to upgrade . . . a language package??  But it showed "5.15
xxx" to be removed in "autoremove"??  so it was previously trying to
install it and then changed its mind??

uname -r right now shows 5.13.0-16-generic . . . I didn't update grub via
the master grub controller in another OS . . . to see if that would get the
kernel closer to 6.15???  Running a multi-boot grub situation . . . .  But
there hasn't been this kind of "hang" in running apt in Lu in quite some
time . . . ?  something got sideways in the dist-upgrade in kinetic . .
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[lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 20.04.5 LTS Released!

[Dan Simmons]

The Lubuntu team is excited to announce that Lubuntu 20.04.5 LTS has 
been released! Many thanks to all the contributors. You can find out 
more at our official blog post [1].


[1] https://lubuntu.me/focal-5-released

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[lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 22.10 Feature Freeze Fast Approaching: What It Means and How To Help

[Simon Quigley]

Dearest Lubuntu contributors and users,

During every release cycle, we hit a milestone titled Feature Freeze, 
where developers in the Ubuntu and Lubuntu projects are no longer 
permitted to upload new versions of software without an exception, in 
order to dedicate the remainder of the cycle to improving stability.


The Feature Freeze date for Lubuntu is Thursday, August 25th, 2022. I 
will be around to process any final uploads from 3 PM to 6 PM US Central 
Time on that date, after which I will declare Lubuntu to be in Feature 
Freeze. If you're aware of any new features that would be beneficial to 
include for users, please ping me in our development channel on 
Matrix(/IRC/Telegram)[1] and I will address those requests first come, 
first serve.


On my personal wishlist is the LXQt menu overhaul, yet another update to 
Calamares, and further evaluation of the upstream LXQt code to ensure 
there isn't a bugfix or feature we can cherry-pick. Unfortunately, after 
speaking with LXQt upstream, they do not plan on releasing 1.2 until 
shortly after the release of Lubuntu 22.10, and backports for non-LTS 
releases are still up in the air. This weekend I will prepare a 
QA-related document outlining every single commit we have cherry-picked, 
why, and what users should expect to be different when reporting bugs to 
upstream. My goal is to have this done in a thorough enough manner that 
upstream LXQt will have little complaints. I have blocked off 1 PM to 6 
PM on Saturday, tentatively, to do that.


You may be asking, how can I help? By testing[1], of course :) with 
features no longer free-flowing into 22.10, this is the time to test 
every "nook and cranny" of the operating system. What doesn't work for 
you? Is there anything we can do better without vastly expanding the 
scope of our mission?


If you have any questions, please do let me know. I will note publicly 
at this point that the Lubuntu Council has granted me some of my former 
permissions before my hiatus, including Release Manager capacity. I'm 
glad to be back, and I hope to serve the Lubuntu project well once again.


Thanks!

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[lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 22.04.1 LTS is released!

[Dan Simmons]

The Lubuntu team is excited to announce that Lubuntu 22.04.1 LTS (Jammy
Jellyfish) has been released! Many thanks to all the contributors. You
can find out more at our official blog post[1]

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[lubuntu-users] "Update pending for Firefox snap"???

[Fritz Hudnut]

Folks:

Booted up in Lubuntu kinetic today and I once again get an error message
about "update for Firefox snap, close app in the next 13 days"

I have "closed the app" numerous times over the last month or so and still
getting this error message . . . what's up with that message??

I run weekly apt updates on the system, with autoremove, etc . . . system
isn't clearing this error.
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Titles Of Applications In the Taskbar

[Aere Greenway]

On 5/4/22 19:49, Aere Greenway wrote:
In Lubuntu 22.04, is there any way to make it just show the 
application icon and name in the taskbar?


On mine, it shows just a portion of the text of the title-bar, 
extracted from the middle of that text, and no icon.


However, if an application (such as now with Thunderbird Mail), as I'm 
typing this e-mail, it appears as the icon, followed by "Thunderbird - 
2 windows", which is much better than "eybords.com - Mozilla", with no 
icon at all.


The problem also occurs on the LXQT desktop.  It is not specific to the 
Lubuntu desktop.  It does not occur on the LXDE desktop.


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[lubuntu-users] Titles Of Applications In the Taskbar

[Aere Greenway]

In Lubuntu 22.04, is there any way to make it just show the application 
icon and name in the taskbar?


On mine, it shows just a portion of the text of the title-bar, extracted 
from the middle of that text, and no icon.


However, if an application (such as now with Thunderbird Mail), as I'm 
typing this e-mail, it appears as the icon, followed by "Thunderbird - 2 
windows", which is much better than "eybords.com - Mozilla", with no 
icon at all.


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[lubuntu-users] Testing Jammy on old hardware???

[Fritz Hudnut]

Bottom posting . . .

I think it's all the little ads, permeating almost every web-page you visit
nowadays, that saps away the power of our machines. Slower

> machines are more affected.
>
>
>
>
> Last time I experienced almost-no-ADs was in socialism in Yugoslavia.
> I doubt Lubuntu (even 26.04 LTS) could get me that ;-P
> but advocating for sustainability by Lubuntu would be useful.
>
>
> > Of course, if you don't browse the Internet on them, older,
> > less-powerful machines, work well.
> >
>
> I am not convinced this is only the issue of web pages,
> but would love to have more clarity as I can not test myself.
>
> Other than that - I do appreciate your individual efforts.
>
> Thank you!
>


So, what are you saying, "you can not test yourself" . . . ???  Can you not
download an iso and use mkusb to burn it to a flash drive and boot it up
and test it to see how the machine handles the OS??

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Pcmanfm (file browser) in Lubuntu (LXQT) Desktop

[Israel Dahl]

On 5/2/22 10:48, Aere Greenway wrote:

All:

I notice that every time I open the file browser (using detailed-list 
view), the horizontal space available for filenames is insufficient, 
so I have to move its border to the right, and the file type is way 
more than I need, so I have to move its right border to the left.


In the preferences, I've set it to save the settings for this folder, 
but every time I open the file browser, the same widths (that don't 
work for me) reappear.


Is there any way to customize the heading item widths in pcmanfm, for 
detailed-list view?



I think it is in the ~/.config/pcmanfm-qt/default/settings.conf

perhaps the 'FolderViewCellMargins=@Size(3 3)' line, though I am not 
entirely sure


I am currently using 1.1.0 version, and some of those earlier bugs are 
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 22.04 LTS is released!

[Aaron Rainbolt]

If you think ads are messing up your browsing, install an adblocker.
They're available as browser add-ons for both Firefox and Chrome. I use
Adblocker Ultimate, and I've also had good success with AdGuard. Even if
you have a more capable machine, adblockers are a good idea for security
reasons, since ads can sometimes attempt to install malware on your
computer without you even having to click the ad. And these malicious
advertisements have occasionally snuck onto legitimate websites. Install an
adblocker, and you're happy.

As far as the increased resource usage, I would suspect Snaps are the
problem. Firefox is now distributed as a Snap package in Lubuntu 22.04, and
the Snap package system has quite a bit of extra overhead compared to the
old way of doing things (where Firefox was just installed straight into the
system via the apt package system). Having Firefox distributed as a Snap is
a fantastic decision from a security standpoint (if something hacks your
browser, it might be able to get your passwords, but your files are more
likely to be safe), but it also isn't awesome for performance and can cause
some compatibility issues.

If you want to give it a whirl, you can install an official, non-Snap
version of Firefox directly from Mozilla by following Mozilla's directions.
You'll probably lose all your browsing history, bookmarks, and saved or
autogenerated passwords, so ensure you're prepared for that (back up your
passwords and bookmarks). Once you're ready, here's the instructions:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux#w_install-firefox-from-mozilla-builds-for-advanced-users
You probably should run "sudo snap remove firefox" before completing step 6
in the installation process. This should start up faster and be less
resource-intensive.

On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 10:43 AM Aere Greenway 
wrote:

> On 5/2/22 03:38, Željko Blaće wrote:
> > Anyone have a good insight of the increase in resource use
> > or is using it on older hardware that borderline struggles
> > with common contemporary desktop+browser needs?
> > *(me on Thinkpad X220 thinking if I should upgrade)
> >
> > Best Z. Blace
>
> I think it's all the little ads, permeating almost every web-page you
> visit nowadays, that saps away the power of our machines. Slower
> machines are more affected.
>
> I wish the ads would go away.  I don't put them on websites I maintain.
> It's gotten to where if I visit a web-page and see a plethora of ads, I
> just hit the 'back' button, and don't bother with that page.
>
> Of course, if you don't browse the Internet on them, older,
> less-powerful machines, work well.
>
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 22.04 LTS is released!

[Željko Blaće]

On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 5:18 PM Aere Greenway 
wrote:

> On 5/2/22 03:38, Željko Blaće wrote:
> > Anyone have a good insight of the increase in resource use
> > or is using it on older hardware that borderline struggles
> > with common contemporary desktop+browser needs?
> > *(me on Thinkpad X220 thinking if I should upgrade)
> >
> > Best Z. Blace
>
> I think it's all the little ads, permeating almost every web-page you
> visit nowadays, that saps away the power of our machines. Slower
> machines are more affected.
>

I am sure you are correct about mainstream commercial websites.


> I wish the ads would go away.  I don't put them on websites I maintain.
> It's gotten to where if I visit a web-page and see a plethora of ads, I
> just hit the 'back' button, and don't bother with that page.
>

Last time I experienced almost-no-ADs was in socialism in Yugoslavia.
I doubt Lubuntu (even 26.04 LTS) could get me that ;-P
but advocating for sustainability by Lubuntu would be useful.


> Of course, if you don't browse the Internet on them, older,
> less-powerful machines, work well.
>

I am not convinced this is only the issue of web pages,
but would love to have more clarity as I can not test myself.

Other than that - I do appreciate your individual efforts.

Thank you!


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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 22.04 LTS is released!

[Željko Blaće]

Anyone have a good insight of the increase in resource use
or is using it on older hardware that borderline struggles
with common contemporary desktop+browser needs?
*(me on Thinkpad X220 thinking if I should upgrade)

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 22.04 LTS is released!

[Aere Greenway]

On 4/21/22 16:48, Dan Simmons wrote:

The Lubuntu team is excited to announce that Lubuntu 22.04 LTS (Jammy
Jellyfish) has been released! Many thanks to all the contributors. You
can find out more at our official blog post[1]

[1] https://lubuntu.me/jammy-released

On behalf of the Lubuntu release team,


Congratulations on the best release yet of Lubuntu.

With the color customization, and other features I like, I am actually 
using this desktop, in favor of LXDE (which I've been using up to now).


I like it so much (along with additional new features available in the 
repository), that I upgraded my production system from 20.04.


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[lubuntu-users] [Bug 1608306] Re: Confusing for users with many websites

[Paddy Landau]

Has there been any advancement in following this up?

The .net site still appears at the top of the search results, and
remains wildly out of date.

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Title:
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Status in Lubuntu Artwork:
  In Progress
Status in Lubuntu Website:
  In Progress

Bug description:
  Hi! I have used Lubuntu for many years and thought the lubuntu.net
  webstte was the official site for lubuntu. I have subscribed to the
  RSS feed to get news, but lately, there have been very few. Recently,
  I discovered the lubuntu.me website. It seems more active and the blog
  is up to date on news. There is no indication on either that they are
  not official, but on the bottom of both, there seems to be information
  pointing towards both being owned by individuals, not by the Lubuntu
  project. This makes it hard to know which is the official site, if
  any. Would it not be less confusing for users to have one website and
  make the other address redirect to it?

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu-users Digest, Vol 115, Issue 2

[Fritz Hudnut]

> >
> Thank you for your hard work on this release.
>
> I've been testing it, and got some pleasant surprises.
>
> The color-customization I so enjoyed on LXDE, now works on LXQT too.
> And it now supports the SD-card reader in my Mac Mini.
>
> It appears to upgrade reliably from Lubuntu 20.04, and it successfully
> runs all my music tests.  I am quite happy with this release, so far.
>
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>

@Aere:

Nice to also see yr name again on the list after these several very
difficult years . . . glad to see you are still testing the systems, etc.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 22.04 LTS is released!

[Aere Greenway]

On 4/21/22 16:48, Dan Simmons wrote:

The Lubuntu team is excited to announce that Lubuntu 22.04 LTS (Jammy
Jellyfish) has been released! Many thanks to all the contributors. You
can find out more at our official blog post[1]

[1] https://lubuntu.me/jammy-released

On behalf of the Lubuntu release team,


Thank you for your hard work on this release.

I've been testing it, and got some pleasant surprises.

The color-customization I so enjoyed on LXDE, now works on LXQT too.  
And it now supports the SD-card reader in my Mac Mini.


It appears to upgrade reliably from Lubuntu 20.04, and it successfully 
runs all my music tests.  I am quite happy with this release, so far.


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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu-users Digest, Vol 115, Issue 1

[Fritz Hudnut]

> >
> Hi,
>
> I gotta say I tried it out a few days ago and it looks great!
> Congratulations on the style and all the hard work you put into it!
>
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>
> @Israel:
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Haven't seen yr name on this list for quite awhile, since . . . ??  the
days of PPC linux???  : - ))

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 22.04 LTS is released!

[Israel Dahl]

On 4/21/22 17:48, Dan Simmons wrote:

The Lubuntu team is excited to announce that Lubuntu 22.04 LTS (Jammy
Jellyfish) has been released! Many thanks to all the contributors. You
can find out more at our official blog post[1]

[1] https://lubuntu.me/jammy-released

On behalf of the Lubuntu release team,


Hi,

I gotta say I tried it out a few days ago and it looks great! 
Congratulations on the style and all the hard work you put into it!


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[lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 22.04 LTS is released!

[Dan Simmons]

The Lubuntu team is excited to announce that Lubuntu 22.04 LTS (Jammy
Jellyfish) has been released! Many thanks to all the contributors. You
can find out more at our official blog post[1]

[1] https://lubuntu.me/jammy-released

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[lubuntu-users] 2022 Lubuntu Council election results.

[Dan Simmons]

The results [1] for the 2022 Lubuntu Council election are in.
Congratulations to the winners and many thanks to everyone that ran for
a position on the council. I look forward to working with all of you in
the upcoming year. For those that have served on the council and are
outgoing, thank you for your service to the Lubuntu project. I have
learned much from you and you are always welcome in the Lubuntu family.


[1] https://civs1.civs.us/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_0a8984ff0ef29e2d

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[lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 21.10 Released!

[Dan Simmons]

The Lubuntu team is excited to announce that Lubuntu 21.10 (Impish
Indri) has been released! You can find out more at our official [blog
post][1]

[1]:
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[lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 20.04.3 LTS Released!

[Dan Simmons]

Thanks to all the hard work from our contributors, Lubuntu 20.04.3 has
been released! You can find out more at our official [blog post][1].

[1]:
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[lubuntu-users] problem accessing the forum in lubuntu.me

[Fritz Hudnut]

@et al:

I've had this problem, mainly when trying to access the forum by way of the
digests, and just the other day I checked it again and the problem was
still happening.  I supplied material to one of the folks with a ubuntu
address . . . and then I believe I followed up on it . . . to wit . . .
nada . . . .

Problem remains.  Possibly I can directly access the web site, but linking
through the digests doesn't work . . . .  I checked after I moved up to
Impish.

F



> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 10:20:03 +1000
> From: Chris Guiver 
> To: Juan Manuel Carrillo Campos 
> Cc: lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [lubuntu-users] problem accessing the forum in lubuntu.me
> Message-ID:
>  bn-4ardoeyk8q1x...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> I would try again.
>
> I just tested both links you provided, and they worked for me.   Your
> issue may be local network related (on a campus or corporate network
> which restricts traffic to specific domains etc) and not site related,
> or you were just unlucky.
>
> Chris
>
> On 5/18/21, Juan Manuel Carrillo Campos  wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I may access the main page of lubuntu.me
> > There I may access the links but no https://discourse.lubuntu.me/
> > (the forums link) Because there I just see a blank page without
> > anything on it.
> > My distro is *DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS"* and is "up to
> > date" with all the "upgrades" proposed:
> > Linux Pinky 5.4.0-53-generic #59-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 21 09:38:44 UTC
> > 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
> > (and I have a screen resolution of 1366x768).
> > Please help me to fix this issue or let me know an alternative to rich
> > the forums.
> > Thanks in advance for your support.
> > Best regards.
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Re: [lubuntu-users] problem accessing the forum in lubuntu.me

[Chris Guiver]

I would try again.

I just tested both links you provided, and they worked for me.   Your
issue may be local network related (on a campus or corporate network
which restricts traffic to specific domains etc) and not site related,
or you were just unlucky.

Chris

On 5/18/21, Juan Manuel Carrillo Campos  wrote:
> Hello,
> I may access the main page of lubuntu.me
> There I may access the links but no https://discourse.lubuntu.me/
> (the forums link) Because there I just see a blank page without
> anything on it.
> My distro is *DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS"* and is "up to
> date" with all the "upgrades" proposed:
> Linux Pinky 5.4.0-53-generic #59-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 21 09:38:44 UTC
> 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
> (and I have a screen resolution of 1366x768).
> Please help me to fix this issue or let me know an alternative to rich
> the forums.
> Thanks in advance for your support.
> Best regards.
> Juan Manuel
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[lubuntu-users] problem accessing the forum in lubuntu.me

[Juan Manuel Carrillo Campos]

Hello,
I may access the main page of lubuntu.me
There I may access the links but no https://discourse.lubuntu.me/
(the forums link) Because there I just see a blank page without
anything on it.
My distro is *DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS"* and is "up to
date" with all the "upgrades" proposed:
Linux Pinky 5.4.0-53-generic #59-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 21 09:38:44 UTC
2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux 
(and I have a screen resolution of 1366x768).
Please help me to fix this issue or let me know an alternative to rich
the forums.
Thanks in advance for your support.
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[lubuntu-users] Lumina Desktop?

[Thunder Beaver]

Hello,

Anyone ever use https://lumina-desktop.org/ ? It's a lightweight C++/Qt5
based DE. It's built to be modular and uses Fluxbox as the WM.
A few years ago there was a PPA but that no longer is maintained. Any
chance someone could take it over?

(Personally, I don't want to even try building it from source. I don't
think I can pull in every single component from the repos and piecemeal
it together. Even if I did, the defaults won't have the finesse I'm sure
the folks at Lumina add to give it a beautiful, easy, cohesive
experience out of the box. But hey, if you did, share your experiences!)

Maybe in the future it could be a default install option for Lubuntu?
The names fit so well together! lol

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Re: [lubuntu-users] [CORRECTION] Lubuntu 18.04 reaches End of Life on 30 April 2021

[Dan Simmons]

The EOL date is in April not May.

On 4/29/21 6:46 PM, Dan Simmons wrote:
> Lubuntu 18.04 (Bionic Beaver) will reach End of Life on Friday, April 30,
> 2021. Please read our official [Blog][1] post for more information.
> 
> [1]:
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[lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 18.04 reaches End of Life on 30 May 2021

[Dan Simmons]

Lubuntu 18.04 (Bionic Beaver) will reach End of Life on Friday, May 30,
2021. Please read our official [Blog][1] post for more information.

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[lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 21.04 Released!

[Dan Simmons]

Thanks to all the hard work from our contributors, Lubuntu 21.04 has
been released! You can find out more at our official [blog post][1].

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[lubuntu-users] Blank page for forum

[Fritz Hudnut]

JM:

Yes, I can confirm this issue.  My edition of it is through the email
digests from the forum, clicking on the links goes to blankness.  But,
yesterday via search engine I logged in via Github and was able to post on
the forum . . . to little fanfare.

I was in Gecko yesterday, also using Firefox, and today I'm in Leap 15.3
and search engine took me to the site . . . in full color.

There is a gentleman from ubuntu who was supposed to be in charge of fixing
this issue, seems like maybe that hasn't happened yet.  This link below was
working for me minutes ago.

https://discourse.lubuntu.me/

 F

> From: Juan Manuel Carrillo Campos 
> To: lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: [lubuntu-users] Problem to access the FORUM page
> Message-ID: <14eb48eab66b555d5a6dee77e8d19cb09c172f7e.ca...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Hello,
> When I try to access the FORUM page of Lubuntu (
> https://discourse.lubuntu.me/), all that I get is a blank page, all the
> other links/pages open without any problem.
> (I have Lubuntu 20.04, my browser is Firefox 87.0 (64 bits))
> How may i debug and fix this issue?
> Thanks in advance for your kind answer.
> Best regards.
> Juan Manuel
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[lubuntu-users] Problem to access the FORUM page

[Juan Manuel Carrillo Campos]

Hello,
When I try to access the FORUM page of Lubuntu (
https://discourse.lubuntu.me/), all that I get is a blank page, all the
other links/pages open without any problem.
(I have Lubuntu 20.04, my browser is Firefox 87.0 (64 bits))
How may i debug and fix this issue?
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Asking how long Lubuntu 18.04 supported as Ubuntu 18.04 is supported untill 2028

[Chris Guiver]

On 4/5/21, Aere Greenway  wrote:
> I think a more pertinent question here, relates to Lubuntu being the
> only 'flavor' of Ubuntu that supports 32-bit (i386) machines.
>
> Will the Ubuntu repository continue to included kernel fixes relating to
> 32-bit (i386) machines, or will all 32-bit support end when Lubuntu
> 18.04 support ends?
>
Lubuntu 18.04 LTS wasn't the only 32-bit x86 (i386) Ubuntu, in fact a
number of flavors provided i386 ISOs and provided support.  It was
only Lubuntu and Xubuntu that continued support past 18.04, providing
a 18.10 x86/i386 release, and continued with alpha dailies into
December of 2018 of the disco cycles (ie. disco [19.04] alpha ISOs in
i386).

Even though no 19.04 ISOs were ever released beyond those alpha
dailies of Lubuntu & Xubuntu disco (19.04), any installs of them ended
up with supported/packages the entire life of the product, despite it
not being a Lubuntu release and the Lubuntu team not providing support
(it was just the infrastructure kept building i386 packages as amd64
fixes were built).  The i386 build was turned off completely in the
beta stage of eoan.

I very much believe i386 packages found in main are still being built
for 18.04 for the five years (ie. until 2023-April), in fact the same
is probably true for all repositories, however 'universe' doesn't
usually get updates beyond the 3rd year as it's used by flavors who
are all EOL at that time.

Whilst I'm confident with the standard support of the 18.04 product
(or 2023-April), I'm not sure if ESM will be provided for i386 and the
build infrastructure maybe turned off then to save costs.  But I can
only give my opinion.

(Note: I write as a user of a number of i386 devices)

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Asking how long Lubuntu 18.04 supported as Ubuntu 18.04 is supported untill 2028

[Aere Greenway]

On 4/4/21 5:48 AM, Chris Guiver wrote:

"Lubuntu 18.04.5 LTS, will be supported until April 2021. We are
limiting changes to critical fixes and underlying system changes
shipped with all other Ubuntu flavors for the 18.04.5 LTS release."

Not all of a 18.04 system will reach EOL this month though; the base
packages that are common with Ubuntu Desktop 18.04 LTS do come with 5
years of support, to see which packages those are, and how much of
your system supports end you can use `ubuntu-support-status` to check
on your actual installed system.


I think a more pertinent question here, relates to Lubuntu being the 
only 'flavor' of Ubuntu that supports 32-bit (i386) machines.


Will the Ubuntu repository continue to included kernel fixes relating to 
32-bit (i386) machines, or will all 32-bit support end when Lubuntu 
18.04 support ends?


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Re: [lubuntu-users] Asking how long Lubuntu 18.04 supported as Ubuntu 18.04 is supported untill 2028

[Chris Guiver]

Lubuntu 14.04 LTS was released in 2014-April with 3 years of support.

Refer https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu

where you'll note it states "LTS support (3 years)"

Ubuntu's main LTS releases comes with 5 years of standard support,
which can be extended via the use of ESM (extended security
maintenance or https://ubuntu.com/security/esm) which is what the
article refers to, however that is not flavors, where 3 years applies
for LTS releases.

Lubuntu 18.04 LTS was released in 2018-April with 3 years, which ends
April 2021, just as it says in the release notes (eg.
https://lubuntu.me/bionic-5-released/)

"Lubuntu 18.04.5 LTS, will be supported until April 2021. We are
limiting changes to critical fixes and underlying system changes
shipped with all other Ubuntu flavors for the 18.04.5 LTS release."

Not all of a 18.04 system will reach EOL this month though; the base
packages that are common with Ubuntu Desktop 18.04 LTS do come with 5
years of support, to see which packages those are, and how much of
your system supports end you can use `ubuntu-support-status` to check
on your actual installed system.

Lubuntu support however ceases this month; but some support sites
don't cut of 18.04 support until the full five years of support is up,
thus the graph seen on the bottom of the https://lubuntu.me/downloads/
page (dark blue is Lubuntu support; light blue is other Ubuntu
community support)

On 3/28/21, crash mark  wrote:
> [image: image.png]
> Hi
> So just wanted to inquire if as ubuntu 18.04 will be supported so
> will lubuntu 18.04 be supported. And I just read somewhere on reddit that
> you supported lubuntu 14.04 till 2020 well after the end cycle but then and
> lubuntu teams member said that for future releases you won't be doing that.
> My point is that after April 2021 lubuntu team support will end or not? So
> if ubuntu 18.04 support is extended? So Ubuntu Community Support will also
> extend right? And in Ubuntu Community Support Security Updates are included
> right? *I tried Lubuntu 20.04 and saw a test video as well it takes 45%
> more memory than Lubuntu 18.04. So please can you fix the ram issue then I
> can switch to Lubuntu 20.04 as it has the best function keys support for my
> laptop.*
> *Thanks a lot*
> *For this Amazing distro its ram cache(Lubuntu 18.04) is less than that of
> Puppy Linux and Antix. And Can you get rid of Systemd.*
>

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[lubuntu-users] Asking how long Lubuntu 18.04 supported as Ubuntu 18.04 is supported untill 2028

[crash mark]

[image: image.png]
Hi
So just wanted to inquire if as ubuntu 18.04 will be supported so
will lubuntu 18.04 be supported. And I just read somewhere on reddit that
you supported lubuntu 14.04 till 2020 well after the end cycle but then and
lubuntu teams member said that for future releases you won't be doing that.
My point is that after April 2021 lubuntu team support will end or not? So
if ubuntu 18.04 support is extended? So Ubuntu Community Support will also
extend right? And in Ubuntu Community Support Security Updates are included
right? *I tried Lubuntu 20.04 and saw a test video as well it takes 45%
more memory than Lubuntu 18.04. So please can you fix the ram issue then I
can switch to Lubuntu 20.04 as it has the best function keys support for my
laptop.*
*Thanks a lot*
*For this Amazing distro its ram cache(Lubuntu 18.04) is less than that of
Puppy Linux and Antix. And Can you get rid of Systemd.*
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu Council election results

[Thomas Ward]

Thank you everyone who voted in favor of me being on the council, I hope 
to help address the needs of the Lubuntu Project as part of the Lubuntu 
Council, and help to drive the project further as well!


And a great thank you for everyone who ran, and for those who are 
departing the council this year.



Thomas


On 2/26/21 9:20 PM, Dan Simmons wrote:

The [results][1] for the 2021 Lubuntu Council election are in.
Congratulations to all the winners and many thanks to everyone that ran
for a position on the council.

[1]:
https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_26e155fd038d44a9

Kind regards,
Dan

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[lubuntu-users] Lubuntu Council election results

[Dan Simmons]

The [results][1] for the 2021 Lubuntu Council election are in.
Congratulations to all the winners and many thanks to everyone that ran
for a position on the council.

[1]:
https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_26e155fd038d44a9

Kind regards,
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[lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 20.04.2 LTS Released!

[Dan Simmons]

Thanks to all the hard work from our contributors, the second point
release for Lubuntu 20.04 LTS, 20.04.2 has been released! You can find
out more on our official [blog post][1].

[1]:
https://lubuntu.me/focal-2-released/

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[lubuntu-users] now with more non-English support!

[Walter Lapchynski]

Thanks to the valiant efforts of the Lubuntu Globalization Team, as well
as the work of several other folks to get all the infrastructure set up,
I'm pleased to announce that Lubuntu now offers more support for users
whose native language is not English.

We now have IRC channels (which are naturally bridged to Matrix via
Matrix.org) that are bridged to Telegram and we have subcategories in
the Support category on our Discourse forum for the following languages:

 * Arabic
 * Chinese
 * French
 * German
 * Italian
 * Japanese
 * Portuguese
 * Spanish
 * Russian

To get to these channels, please see:
https://lubuntu.me/links

We don't have separate links for the Discourse site since all the
languages are available from the Discourse site itself:
https://forum.lubuntu.me

If anyone out there can communicate effectively in these languages, I
urge you to sit on the channels and watch the forum and offer help
whenever possible. 

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Bug with Keyboard & Mouse Settings

[Patrick Jarrett]

Yep, sure enough it was still showing

left_handed=true

in the $HOME/.config/lxqt/session.conf

I manually removed the line and saved and on reboot it worked normally.
Thanks for pointing me to that file.


On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 12:22 PM Walter Lapchynski  wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 08, 2020 at 06:36:08AM -0800, Patrick Jarrett wrote:
> > my laptop retains the setting of flipping the mouse buttons.
>
> I just tried to reproduce this and could not.
>
> I would check whether or not the state of the "left_handed" key in the
> "Mouse" stanza of the config file matches the state of the GUI. I
> presume it does ("false" is standard, i.e. left click is primary).
>
> If it does not, then it's possible the issue may be related to one of
> ownership or permissions of the config file.
>
> The user config file is:
>
>  $HOME/.config/lxqt/session.conf
>
> This file should always take precedence to any global file but in the
> event of some other sort of oddity, you might want to check the state of
> the global one:
>
>  /etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu/lxqt/session.conf
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Bug with Keyboard & Mouse Settings

[Walter Lapchynski]

On Sun, Nov 08, 2020 at 06:36:08AM -0800, Patrick Jarrett wrote:
> my laptop retains the setting of flipping the mouse buttons.

I just tried to reproduce this and could not. 

I would check whether or not the state of the "left_handed" key in the
"Mouse" stanza of the config file matches the state of the GUI. I
presume it does ("false" is standard, i.e. left click is primary).

If it does not, then it's possible the issue may be related to one of
ownership or permissions of the config file.

The user config file is:

 $HOME/.config/lxqt/session.conf

This file should always take precedence to any global file but in the
event of some other sort of oddity, you might want to check the state of
the global one:

 /etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu/lxqt/session.conf

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[lubuntu-users] Bug with Keyboard & Mouse Settings

[Patrick Jarrett]

So, a few weeks ago I went on vacation and during that trip my usb mouse's
left click was becoming unreliable, it was an old mouse and it was finally
giving up on me. So, to get through the trip, I went into Lubuntu settings
for keyboard and mouse and I switched the mouse buttons. Using the right
moust button to click got me through the remainder of the trip until I
could get home and replace the mouse.

However, once I got the new mouse and disabled the setting I have found
that each time I boot, my laptop retains the setting of flipping the mouse
buttons. I go Pref -> Keyboard and Mouse and it shows the switch mouse
buttons button as unchecked. I have to re-click it (with the right mouse
button) then click again to disable it and save settings for it to take for
the system. But when I next boot, I have to do it again.

Any thoughts on this bug? I am on an Acer laptop with Lubuntu 20.10.

Cheers,
//Trick
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[lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 20.10 Released!

[Dan Simmons]

Thanks to all the hard work from our contributors, Lubuntu 20.10 has
been released! You can find out more at our official [blog post][1].

[1]:
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Re: [lubuntu-users] With console boot in place .. control which Desktop runs

[Walter Lapchynski]

On Thu, Oct 01, 2020 at 06:21:55AM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote:
> Now I got around to setting up my normal preference of console boot,
> and using `startx' whenever I want to go into graphical mode.

Try using `startlxqt` instead.

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[lubuntu-users] With console boot in place .. control which Desktop runs

[Harry Putnam]

New vm install of ubuntu 20.04.1 using the zfs options.

My first little while running 20.04.1 I left the graphical boot in
place and after installing the lubuntu desktop, I chose `lubuntu' on
login screen.  so been running in lubuntu desktop.

Now I got around to setting up my normal preference of console boot,
and using `startx' whenever I want to go into graphical mode.

However, I now end up booting into ubuntu's default window manager
instead of the lubuntu manager.

How can I control which desktop comes up since I've disabled graphical
booting?  I want startx to put me into lubuntu desktop.




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Re: [lubuntu-users] does latest 20.04.1 have the zfs option duing install?

[Walter Lapchynski]

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 06:03:27PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote:
> I missed seeing the zfs option during install of lubuntu 20.04.1

No, you didn't miss it. It's not there. We don't use the Ubiquity
installer that Ubuntu uses, but instead use Calamares. So far, Calamares
has yet to offer ZFS support, though there's reason to believe the
partioner (KPMCore) can handle it. 

The major issue, if anything, is the issue of licensing. Ubuntu 
[has stated][1] they believe there's no license issue, but as they admit,
there are differing opinions. Among the dissenters is none other than 
[Linus Torvalds][2].

It should also be pointed out that as of 20.04, ZFS on desktop support
in Ubuntu is [experimental][3]. I don't know about you, but I don't
generally trust production data to file systems that have experimental
support.

There's a [ticket][4] in Calamares tracking this if you're curious.

[1]: https://ubuntu.com/blog/zfs-licensing-and-linux
[2]:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-avoid-oracles-zfs-kernel-code-on-linux-until-litigious-larry-signs-off/
[3]: https://ubuntu.com/blog/zfs-focus-on-ubuntu-20-04-lts-whats-new
[4]: https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/533
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[lubuntu-users] does latest 20.04.1 have the zfs option duing install?

[Harry Putnam]

I missed seeing the zfs option during install of lubuntu 20.04.1 in a
vm (VBox).  Did I just overlook it?


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Re: [lubuntu-users] [lubuntu-devel] Lu 20.10 seems to be very slow to boot & log in???

[James]

On 2020-08-17 11:31 a.m., Fritz Hudnut wrote:
Got the SG2 disk out and booted into TW to get the os-prober going to 
fix grub . . . something in ubuntu for the last year has been breaking 
grub on apt upgrades . . . there is a bug report on it . . . devs seem 
to be "stuck" on a fix, but it is "irritating" to have to "repair 
grub" each time after running apt as I did yesterday with Lu 20.10.


OK, the good news is that after that upgrade in Lu yesterday the boot 
time seemed a little faster, and the log in password wasn't exactly 
"zippy" but it did at least "respond" after one click  . . . but there 
was a delay.  I ran the analyze blame command and in Lu it brought 
back a bunch of lines, I copied the top 25 or so . . . but again these 
times were an improvement from the pre- 300 package upgrade from 
yesterday.


"systemd-analyze blame
23.068s man-db.service              >
16.522s NetworkManager-wait-online.service              >
12.036s udisks2.service               >
11.315s snapd.service               >
 9.028s networkd-dispatcher.service               >
 8.032s dev-sdc7.device               >
 6.735s accounts-daemon.service               >
 6.267s systemd-journal-flush.service               >
 5.326s dev-loop0.device              >
 5.253s polkit.service              >
 5.061s NetworkManager.service              >
 5.057s avahi-daemon.service              >
 5.054s bluetooth.service               >
 5.026s dundee.service              >
 4.989s ofono.service               >
 4.973s wpa_supplicant.service              >
 4.973s systemd-logind.service              >
 4.101s ModemManager.service              >
 3.919s dev-loop2.device              >
 3.918s dev-loop1.device              >
 3.860s dev-loop4.device              >
 3.849s dev-loop5.device              >
 3.843s dev-loop3.device              >
 3.765s dev-loop7.device              >
 3.742s dev-loop6.device              >
 3.552s gpu-manager.service               >
 3.548s logrotate.service               >
 2.550s systemd-udevd.service               >
 1.709s rsyslog.service               >
 1.545s grub-initrd-fallback.service              >
 1.410s apport.service              >
 1.373s grub-common.service               >
 1.219s systemd-resolved.service              >
 1.057s colord.service              >
 1.041s 
systemd-fsck@dev-disk-by\x2duuid-598d1ebe\x2d6ad9\x2d4491\x2db95a\x2>

  992ms apparmor.service              >
  926ms upower.service              >
  881ms systemd-modules-load.service              >
  757ms systemd-fsck@dev-disk-by\x2duuid-67E3\x2d17ED.service         
      >

  675ms snapd.seeded.service              >
  663ms systemd-sysusers.service              >
  563ms keyboard-setup.service              >
  551ms systemd-journald.service      "

On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 7:57 AM Fritz Hudnut > wrote:


James:

Seems like running Lu apt yesterday showing some "grub" packages
again wiped grub . . . ???  So cold booting only provided U-MATE .
. . actually doesn't seem any faster than the Lu option . . . .

Since they both are 20.10  I ran what I thought is your suggested
command . . . once after logging in and launching FF . . . then
half an hour later after going thru emails and social media stuff
. . . got the same errors:

"$ systemd-analyze blame
Bootup is not yet finished
(org.freedesktop.systemd1.Manager.FinishTimestampMonotonic=0).
Please try again later.
Hint: Use 'systemctl list-jobs' to see active jobs"

When I get grub straightened out I'll try it in Lu to see what
that provides . . . .

On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 7:05 PM James Lockie mailto:bjloc...@lockie.ca>> wrote:

Blame will list all the processes so you can see what is slow.
I had a problem with alsa timing out on something.
I forget the fix (it might have gone away).

On August 16, 2020 21:26:57 Fritz Hudnut
mailto:este.el@gmail.com>> wrote:


Alrighty . . . well I'll try to run that command when I get
back to my Lu install . . . .

On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 5:30 PM James Lockie
mailto:bjloc...@lockie.ca>> wrote:

That blame command will print the times for the boot.
Maybe try the auto login.

On August 16, 2020 20:00:24 Fritz Hudnut
mailto:este.el@gmail.com>> wrote:


James:

OK, well thanks for the reply . . . after I posted that
email I ran "apt" and there were roughly "300" packages
to update, but I don't know if "systemd" was in there or
not . . . .

Anything to "monitor" in this regard??  It is much
slower to get to log in window and then really slow
getting from there into GUI . . . .



On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 4:13 PM James Lockie
mailto:bjloc...@lockie.ca>> wrote:

systemd-analyze blame
  

[lubuntu-users] Fwd: Re: [lubuntu-devel] Lu 20.10 seems to be very slow to boot & log in???

[James]

Forwarding to the list, I have no idea.



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Subject: 	Re: [lubuntu-devel] Lu 20.10 seems to be very slow to boot & 
log in???

Date:   Mon, 17 Aug 2020 07:57:26 -0700
From:   Fritz Hudnut 
To: James Lockie 



James:

Seems like running Lu apt yesterday showing some "grub" packages again 
wiped grub . . . ???  So cold booting only provided U-MATE . . . 
actually doesn't seem any faster than the Lu option . . . .


Since they both are 20.10  I ran what I thought is your suggested 
command . . . once after logging in and launching FF . . . then half an 
hour later after going thru emails and social media stuff . . . got the 
same errors:


"$ systemd-analyze blame
Bootup is not yet finished 
(org.freedesktop.systemd1.Manager.FinishTimestampMonotonic=0).

Please try again later.
Hint: Use 'systemctl list-jobs' to see active jobs"

When I get grub straightened out I'll try it in Lu to see what that 
provides . . . .


On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 7:05 PM James Lockie > wrote:


   Blame will list all the processes so you can see what is slow.
   I had a problem with alsa timing out on something.
   I forget the fix (it might have gone away).

   On August 16, 2020 21:26:57 Fritz Hudnut mailto:este.el@gmail.com>> wrote:


Alrighty . . . well I'll try to run that command when I get back
to my Lu install . . . .

On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 5:30 PM James Lockie mailto:bjloc...@lockie.ca>> wrote:

That blame command will print the times for the boot.
Maybe try the auto login.

On August 16, 2020 20:00:24 Fritz Hudnut
mailto:este.el@gmail.com>> wrote:


James:

OK, well thanks for the reply . . . after I posted that email
I ran "apt" and there were roughly "300" packages to update,
but I don't know if "systemd" was in there or not . . . .

Anything to "monitor" in this regard??  It is much slower to
get to log in window and then really slow getting from there
into GUI . . . .



On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 4:13 PM James Lockie
mailto:bjloc...@lockie.ca>> wrote:

systemd-analyze blame
I think.

On August 16, 2020 18:49:10 Fritz Hudnut
mailto:este.el@gmail.com>> wrote:


Posting here in case the helm is manned . . . in
comparison to my other linux installs and more basically
in comparison to my U-MATE 20.10 install . . . the Lu
boot time is "slower" to run through what must be the
"dmesg" data . . . which it says is "system check" . . .
and possibly could be "cancelled" . . . might save some
time . . . .

But, more of a problem is when the log in window shows
and I type my password and hit return . . . nothing
happens . . . and I wind up hitting return key several
times before the system decides to load the desktop

It's happened enough times that I am now taking time too
report the problem here.

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[lubuntu-users] Apart from this I'm using syslinux instead of grub2.

[Fritz Hudnut]

>
>
> From: Ralf Mardorf 
> To: lubuntu user list 
> Subject: Re: [lubuntu-users] Apart from this I'm using syslinux
> instead of  grub2.
> Message-ID: <20200730022816.0dfa7ea2@archlinux>
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>
> On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 16:03:51 -0700, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
> >On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:51 PM Ralf Mardorf 
> >wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:34:54 -0700, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
> >> >got a good laugh out of the "Hal 9000" line . . . classic geek humor
> >> >there
> >>
> >> Using a computer without a sense of dark humour is really dangerous!
> >>
> >
> >Indeed it is . . . and the reference to Hal 9000 is "the stuff of the
> >dark web" . . . i.e., extra dark stuff . . . .  : - 
>
> The relativity of real-time.
>
> The shooter sees the target by speed of light.
>
> The target hears the shot by speed of sound, if the shooter (even by a
> ricochet) did miss the target.
>
> Even if the projectile should be slower than the speed of
> sound, the speed of the awareness of the sound, is way slower than the
> projectile.
>
> If the shooter didn't miss the target, then the target did not hear the
> shot.
>
> Many people believe in noticing computers becoming dangerous,
> before computers could harm. This guess is as infantil.
>
> Hiding behind a car door, as shelter against a projectile, gains
> nothing. At best it blocks the view, but not the bullet.
>
> We also could hide behind car doors trying to ensure privacy and
> security of data.
>
>
>

>
> A starting point: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Syslinux
>
>
>  @Ralf:

Thanks for that link to the wiki . . . .  On the previous allegorical data
. . . well stated, it looks like something I myself could have written . .
. to the usual "?" response.

A couple weeks back I did a short keynote presentation to a group of mental
health acupuncturists on the topic of "Connecting with Our Nature in nature
for higher understanding" . . . I thought it was pretty "clear" what I was
saying . . . .  But after the talk the facilitator said, "Thanks for the
presentation, of course for the most part not many people will understand
what you were saying . . . but, thanks for saying it."

So, Ralf, thanks for saying it . . . I still think "Hal 9000" is an apt
metaphor for today's society . . . but mostly "self-inflicted" or "pilot
error" on the part of the "carbon units" who don't understand their great
blessings . . . and they let the synth units "run the show" . . . .  We
"didn't hear the shot" . . . etc. etc.  : - 

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Apart from this I'm using syslinux instead of grub2.

[Ralf Mardorf]

A starting point: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Syslinux

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Apart from this I'm using syslinux instead of grub2.

[Fritz Hudnut]

Ralf:

I just did a quick search on the googly and it seems like syslinux is for
"MS/DOS" or "BIOS" and/or possibly "FAT32" systems??  It didn't seem to
mention Macs, although it did show something on "UEFI" . . . but then one
item was saying, "It won't boot ext2 systems"???  So it seems like syslinux
is also "going back" in the history of linux in the time before apple was
considered "adequate" . . . .

But, I think sometime in the next year or so I will be trying to find a PC
laptop, or a  "built for linux" laptop . . . and that would likely have the
"BIOS" and "MBR" items that might be friendlier to syslinux

Seems like what I might have seen in OpenSUSE was some "syslinux" package
or app, which might not be the same as the "syslinux bootloader" that is
BIOS friendly and only boots "MS/DOS" and/or Fat32 formatted systems???

I know that in Mac the EFI boot partition is formatted as FAT32 . . . so
question is . . . is that meeting the requirements for booting via
syslinux, or nope it don't do Macintoshes . . . ???

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:40 PM Ralf Mardorf 
wrote:

> PPS:
>
> For my Xenial install I'm using links, I have to manually update, so
> that I don't need to fix my syslinux.cfg:
>
> [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ /usr/bin/ls -hl /.boot/ubuntu_moonstudio/boot/
> total 114M
> -rw--- 1 root root 3.8M Jul  1 09:30 System.map-4.4.0-186-lowlatency
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.2M Nov 15  2019
> System.map-5.3.0-11.2-liquorix-amd64
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 187K Jul  1 09:30 config-4.4.0-186-lowlatency
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 213K Nov 15  2019 config-5.3.0-11.2-liquorix-amd64
> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K May  7 06:09 grub
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  37M Jul 21 04:50 initrd.img-4.4.0-186-lowlatency
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  54M Jun 13 18:23
> initrd.img-5.3.0-11.2-liquorix-amd64
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   36 Nov 26  2019 initrd.img-liquorix ->
> initrd.img-5.3.0-11.2-liquorix-amd64
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   31 Jul 21 04:58 initrd.img-lowlatency ->
> initrd.img-4.4.0-186-lowlatency
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 179K Jan 28  2016 memtest86+.bin
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 181K Jan 28  2016 memtest86+.elf
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 181K Jan 28  2016 memtest86+_multiboot.bin
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root0 Aug  6  2018 s3.archlinux
> -rw--- 1 root root 7.0M Jul  6 11:18 vmlinuz-4.4.0-186-lowlatency
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9.0M Nov 15  2019 vmlinuz-5.3.0-11.2-liquorix-amd64
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   33 Nov 26  2019 vmlinuz-liquorix ->
> vmlinuz-5.3.0-11.2-liquorix-amd64
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   28 Jul 21 04:58 vmlinuz-lowlatency ->
> vmlinuz-4.4.0-186-lowlatency
>
> --
> /usr/bin/ls since 'ls' is an alias on my install:
> [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ alias ls
> alias ls='lsd'
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