Re: [lubuntu-users] GIMP 2.8.x resizing for printer

[Basil Fernie]

Hi Ian,

I think you have it right. And, in fact, your work-around I vaguely 
recall using probably nearly a year ago, so maybe from MX17 and not 17.1 
. And, in fact, I tried it in the past week ot two unsuccessfully, but 
didn't mention it amongst all the workarounds I did try with like 
outcomes. I thought it would be less guff to throw at the Lubuntu 
community whom I would merely trouble to hear if anyone had encountered 
a similar problem with GIMP 2.8.x.


Now I have a cascade of dichotomies to investigate, along with all the 
relevant interactions:


    GIMP 2.8.22  vs GIMP 2.8.??   ?

    LO 6.0.3  vs  LO 5.x.y    ?

    MX17  vs  MX17.1 ?

(At least it's the same printer!)

So I'll be pragmatic rather than academic and download MX18beta1 even 
though I'd rather get past the beta version and see it that cures my 
problem before deciding to go bughunting.


Fact is, I don't use GIMP often enough to be confident with it. Usually 
I'm trying to isolate an image from a PDF file, often generated as an 
Adobe Acrobat pic, and resize it for presentation. Last time I succeeded 
was with the new letterhead a graphic designer had designed for the 
charity my wife and I run, to isolate the logo itself and resize it. 
Yes, I did succeed - then. Now, this lad I'm mentoring drew up visuals 
for the plays he had strategized for the kids soccer teams he and other 
young men are coaching locally on behalf of the Sports Academy (??) of 
Portugal. He did it all on GIMP, then asked me to print it for handouts 
for the coaches' seminar. Much egg on face because of tiny print sizes, 
also time budget. Should have taken perhaps 5 minutes, he had about 30 
to spare. Which wasn't enough, with the original image refusing even LO 
Draw's efforts to resize it.


I really don't do much graphics, and I probably do do it in LO 
(importing, positioning, resizing externally obtained images) . I keep 
GIMP around for the rare occasion where greater abilities are needed and 
I can set aside an hour or so to experiment with the techniques needed 
for GIMP /de jour/. But I find it frustrating that it is so difficult to 
do the simplest of creative and editing functions in GIMP that I am 
seriously discouraged from fiddling around with it in spare moments to 
get used to doing things its way, at least at a very elementary level. 
Like: 


    Define a point, A

    Use it as the centre of a circle, C1

    Define another point, B

    Connect A and B with a straight line AB

    Connect A and B with a freehand wiggly line A~B

    Drag the circumference of C1 to pass through B, making another 
circle C2


    Shade the ring-like space between C1 and C2 (the torus? Is it a 
/torus/? Wow! If not, then too bad, you understand what I mean) and fill 
it with a selected colour


    Select some portion of this exciting image by framing it with some 
rectangle whose position and size I can easily define with just the mouse.


    Print selected portion without resizing it

    Resize and reposition by dragging on the printable space. Print it 
to the corresponding size.


- all within shall we say 8 minutes, without referencing any text manual 
pages, relying only on the rather intuitive menu-headings and entries 
(where GIMP currently fails massively in my experience)...


If GIMP could do that - reliably, from version to version - year in and 
year out, while getting more and more AutoCAD threatening if that's what 
they want to do - I would play with it and graduate close on 10 children 
a year from our safe home as happy, intuitive 
competent-at-an-elementary-level  Linux users, LO users, VLC users, and 
GIMP (*gimp* maybe?) users. Living proof to the school system that they 
should permit the use of open systems in the classroom and staff offices 
as they are by implication obliged to do.


What would it take to write an elementary UI for GIMP, with a 
much-simplified/reduced menu system and reduced option-set, with 
possibly an intermediate alternative, allowing eventual progress to raw 
GIMP which had been hiding behind the friendly screens all along? Select 
complexity level from initial menu screen? Remember, you don't want to 
mess with the innards, just the UI? Hopefully?


Ive been writing software for 50 years and hate getting egg on my face 
because someone else's UI doesn't make sense to simple beings.




Cheers

Basil









On 05/12/18 13:39, Ian Bruntlett wrote:

Hi Basil,

I hope I've understood your problem correctly...

When faced with problems like this, I import the image into 
LibreOffice Draw, set the page to Portrait / Landscape, resize the 
image appropriately, and print it from there.


To set the page to Portrait or Landscape, load LO Draw and go Format 
-> Page Properties and then choose the appropriate Portrait / 
Landscape radio button.


The above approach is used in a charity, Contact, that I volunteer in 
and works for me :)


HTH,


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Re: [lubuntu-users] GIMP 2.8.x resizing for printer

[Basil Fernie]

Less than an hour after sending the message below, I learned from 
DistroWatch that MX18 Beta 1 is now available, offering GIMP 2.10, 
Hopefully this will eventually provide a stable solution to my problem.


However I would still be interested to hear any responses to my original 
question.


Basil Fernie

+

Since the spotlight is on GIMP, I make bold to put up a question which 
perhaps I will have to redirect to another forum:


I'm using/trying to use GIMP 2.8.2 under MX17.1 (I do use Lubuntu a lot 
too! but I'm trying to nurture a young MX user) and finding one problem: 
I cannot resize the image size from the screen original size to print at 
a different size even when following the explicit directions in the GIMP 
manual. Do any of the Lubuntu users of GIMP 2.8.x find this problem?


The obvious work-around, to install GIMP 2.10.8 to MX17.1, fails 
because, it seems, this upgrade is disallowed by the software 
installation facility in MX17.1. The /other/ obvious workaround, to do 
the GIMP work on Lubuntu 18.10, has environmental and upstream 
implications which I don't really want to spend time on.


So, any quick comments from the Lubuntu experience with resizing GIMP 
images for printed images?


Basil Fernie


On 03/12/18 23:10, Mark F wrote:
I wanted to post back here with an update (after I posted the straces 
to the bug report[1] for PCManFM and GIMP 2.10.8 crashing).


User @Janos (msg #54) said GIMP 2.8.x was crashing for him (it was 
fine for me the whole time PCManFM was crashing in the previous 
version of Lubuntu, which I strongly believe was 17.04). He switched 
to a PPA-served apt package of GIMP (not the "flatpack" version GIMP 
officially(?) serves. He said his GIMP crashes went away. (Whereas, my 
GIMP crashes began with 2.10.x, which I installed from flatpack.).


So, I uninstalled my flatpack 2.10.8, and setup the PPA[2] and that 
"apt-get install" version of GIMP (still 2.10.8) loads much faster. I 
also noticed it doesn't cause the *profuse* PCManFM logging (when I 
strace PCManFM). That GIMP hasn't crashed yet.


I really believe there's something about the official(?) flatpack GIMP 
that entangles itself with PCManFM's crashing behavior (for those 
experiencing it). The PCManFM strace logging was phenomenal using the 
flatpack GIMP. Twenty-one seconds of logging was over 60mb. When I 
switched to the PPA package of GIMP, the logging virtually stopped 
(when GIMP was the active window).


I just wanted to give that update here in case anyone else is having 
that issue.


[The PCManFM crash isn't very bad for me. I don't mind restarting 
PCManFM every few days. But, that GIMP crashing was *painful*. It 
would crash 3-4 times while editing an image. Sometimes after 10-15 
minutes of getting the colors "just right." I don't think I could live 
with that for too long.]


[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984
[2] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:otto-kesselgulasch/gimp
sudo apt update
sudo apt install gimp





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[lubuntu-users] GIMP 2.8.x resizing for printer

[Basil Fernie]

Since the spotlight is on GIMP, I make bold to put up a question which 
perhaps I will have to redirect to another forum:


I'm using/trying to use GIMP 2.8.2 under MX17.1 (I do use Lubuntu a lot 
too! but I'm trying to nurture a young MX user) and finding one problem: 
I cannot resize the image size from the screen original size to print at 
a different size even when following the explicit directions in the GIMP 
manual. Do any of the Lubuntu users of GIMP 2.8.x find this problem?


The obvious work-around, to install GIMP 2.10.8 to MX17.1, fails 
because, it seems, this upgrade is disallowed by the software 
installation facility in MX17.1. The /other/ obvious workaround, to do 
the GIMP work on Lubuntu 18.10, has environmental and upstream 
implications which I don't really want to spend time on.


So, any quick comments from the Lubuntu experience with resizing GIMP 
images for printed images?


Basil Fernie


On 03/12/18 23:10, Mark F wrote:
I wanted to post back here with an update (after I posted the straces 
to the bug report[1] for PCManFM and GIMP 2.10.8 crashing).


User @Janos (msg #54) said GIMP 2.8.x was crashing for him (it was 
fine for me the whole time PCManFM was crashing in the previous 
version of Lubuntu, which I strongly believe was 17.04). He switched 
to a PPA-served apt package of GIMP (not the "flatpack" version GIMP 
officially(?) serves. He said his GIMP crashes went away. (Whereas, my 
GIMP crashes began with 2.10.x, which I installed from flatpack.).


So, I uninstalled my flatpack 2.10.8, and setup the PPA[2] and that 
"apt-get install" version of GIMP (still 2.10.8) loads much faster. I 
also noticed it doesn't cause the *profuse* PCManFM logging (when I 
strace PCManFM). That GIMP hasn't crashed yet.


I really believe there's something about the official(?) flatpack GIMP 
that entangles itself with PCManFM's crashing behavior (for those 
experiencing it). The PCManFM strace logging was phenomenal using the 
flatpack GIMP. Twenty-one seconds of logging was over 60mb. When I 
switched to the PPA package of GIMP, the logging virtually stopped 
(when GIMP was the active window).


I just wanted to give that update here in case anyone else is having 
that issue.


[The PCManFM crash isn't very bad for me. I don't mind restarting 
PCManFM every few days. But, that GIMP crashing was *painful*. It 
would crash 3-4 times while editing an image. Sometimes after 10-15 
minutes of getting the colors "just right." I don't think I could live 
with that for too long.]


[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984
[2] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:otto-kesselgulasch/gimp
sudo apt update
sudo apt install gimp





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Re: [lubuntu-users] Using Pentium 3 Machines on Lubuntu

[Basil Fernie]

On Mon, 8 May 2017 20:54:00 -0600
Aere Greenway <a...@dvorak-keyboards.com> wrote:

> Lubuntu Users:
> 
> I noticed in the minimum system requirements for Lubuntu 17.04, that a 
> Pentium 4, or perhaps a Pentium M is required.
> 
> I have two Pentium 3 machines, on which I successfully tested Lubuntu 
> 16.10, and later upgraded them to 17.04.
> 
> These machines passed my basic sequence of tests, using them as music 
> workstations.  I concluded that Lubuntu works (for my music software) on 
> Pentium 3 machines.
> 
> But on attempting to browse the web (using Firefox) to download my 
> latest music software, the browser crashes!
> 
> I tried Chromium, and it also crashes.
> 
> I tried Qupzilla, and Midori, and they, too, crashed.
> 
> I remember that I had noticed browser crashes when I tested Lubuntu 
> 16.10, as well.
> 
> So I figured that the reason a Pentium 4 is required for Lubuntu 17.04, 
> has to do with the lack of a working browser.
> 
> I then concluded I would just have to use Lubuntu 16.04 on these 
> machines until its support runs out.  But on testing this, I find that 
> with a fully updated Lubuntu 16.04 machine, when I try to run Firefox on 
> a Pentium 3 machine, it crashes!
> 
> Does anyone have any more information on this?  I am curious.
> 
> But then, not wanting to throw these machines away, though probably more 
> from being stubborn, I found a way to make the Firefox browser work on 
> Lubuntu 17.04!
> 
> I discovered that if I installed wine, and winetricks, I could install 
> the Windows version of Firefox (using winetricks), and it would run 
> without crashing!  It even puts a launcher for it on the desktop.
> 
> Currently, it won't play videos or audio files (I may yet be able to 
> tweak it to succeed at this).  But I can usually download the file 
> (right-click, then Save Link As...), and then browse to where it was 
> downloaded (with the file browser) and then use the file normally under 
> Linux.
> 
> Perhaps some of you out there may find this information useful.
> 
> -- 
> Sincerely,
> Aere
> 
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Maybe an older version of Opera, somewhere between 9 and 12, before they 
(temporarily) deserted Linux...

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Keyboard shortcuts

[Basil Fernie]

Hi Nio, Mark et al,

I believe I have found the very thing I was looking for in syndaemon   
although its name is not exactly propitious!


This is a system command which, according to the  man page, allows you 
to set the delay during which the touchpad is defeated  once a (say 
alphanumeric) key is pressed. Default is 2 seconds. Polling interval 
default is 200ms. Quite a few options to play with...


Defaults work quite well for me. I was beginning to realise I missed the 
touchpad, after switching it off with synclient habitually on bootup.


I'm using the latest update of Lu16.04. Don't know yet whether it's 
still in 16.10, nor if you'll find it in things like 4MLinux. Not clear 
where it comes from, but it is regarded as a general command and is 
documented by someone at debian.org.


Two small complaints: (1) Scrolling through a list with the touchpad 
becomes tedious since the cursor actually moves in saccades - but this 
goes with the territory, I would say. (2) I don't see any provision for 
turning it off. Since there are kinds of work where its effect is very 
desirable, I want it on most of the time. But sometimes It needs to be 
off for rapid screening through lists of, e.g.  e-mails or files. 
Probably have to set defeat to 0 seconds...


Ciao,
Basil



On 06/09/2016 21:38, Nio Wiklund wrote:

Hi Mark,

synclient touchpadoff=1  ## turns off the touchpad
synclient touchpadoff=0  ## turns on the touchpad

You can make aliases for these commands or bind them to some hotkey 
combination.


Best regards
Nio

Den 2016-09-06 kl. 21:31, skrev Mark F:

I would like the shortcuts better than snapping. (I turn off snapping, I
don't like it at all. I must be unusual because it seems to be the
default in other distros.).

Is there a listing of available shortcuts? I know the info can be seen
in ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml . But, I'm thinking new users
(Windows users specifically) who might comprehend it the info was more
available like a help file(?).

I'd like to see a shortcut for disabling/enabling the laptop touchpad. I
wrote a couple shell scripts to do that.[1] One toggles it on/off and is
bound to a keyboard shortcut. I call the other script from .profile to
toggle the touchpad off by default.

(A "touchpad-indcator" package exists. But, I don't need that much
fancy'ness and overhead.).

[1] The scripts do the following:
 xinput list   (to get the touchpad's id-number)
xinput set-prop {id-number} "Device Enabled" 0   (or 1).



On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 10:02 AM, Ian Bruntlett > wrote:

Hi,

I like the short-cut ALT+x keypress which alternately maximises the
window or returns it to its previous size.

However, I have noted with things like a terminal emulator (in which
I use bash) or emacs, quite often I end up manually making their
windows either as tall as possible or wide as possible.

Would other people find such shortcuts useful? Do they already 
exist?


BW,


Ian

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Re: [lubuntu-users] usb tethering not working?

[Basil Fernie]

Hi Marlon,

I use USB tethering most of the time, and have done for several versions 
of Lubuntu, once nm-applet started working as desired. (Before that I 
booted into Q4DOS for reliable connections.) But now both Lubuntu 16.04 
and 16.04.1 work impeccably on several laptops around the house.


Yes, I connect through my cellphone's USB tethering facility. Yes, both 
the laptop and the tablet show 3 or 4 local wifi points. Only 1 of them 
is open for public use and that is the municipal streetpole-mounted one 
about 70-80m from my house. It is not line of sight, and the signal is 
too weak to use from here. If I want to use it I prefer to drive 600m 
down the road to the municipal library which has relatively safe parking 
and fewer contesting users so the data rate is sometimes not too bad. 
But there is a daily cap of 500MB so I can't even download a small Linux 
distro without using uget or similar over a couple of days. And the 
practical rate is probably between 28kB/s to maybe 150kB/s. For serious 
speed I need to crank up uget to accept 2 input channels, one of which 
will be the vanilla wifi connection on the laptop, the other will be the 
USB tether from my cellphone which is simultaneously downloading via 
free wifi. Sometimes I will replace this wifi channel with plain old 3G 
at my own expense, if the wifi situation is desperate. But whichever way 
the signal is getting /into/
the phone, it will be getting to the laptop via USB. (Exceptionally, I 
may enjoy 1MB/s.)


I do occasionally turn my phone into a wifi hotspot, if a couple of the 
home laptops need to be downloading stuff simultaneously, but incoming 
is still via 3G.
Point is, I have 3 or 4 different versions of Lubuntu which all work 
fine with USB tethering. I don't like leaving the wifi hotspot password 
lying around on the laptops in the connection dialogue settings because 
I've had some serious Out Of Bundle overcharges incurred by this, and 
USB tethering allows much  tighter financial control. For which to 
happen, it needs to work - and it does. This e-mail will go out on a 
through a USB tether, via LXLE 16.04.1LTS, FWIW.


Peace to you,
Basil



On 09/02/2016 02:16 PM, Marlon Ng wrote:


On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Narcis Garcia > wrote:


Unless your mobile device runs Lubuntu, this mailing list has
nothing to
do specifically to wireless tethering.

Lubuntu in the traditional computer should allow to connect through a
Wifi device to a wireless network if it's present and properly
configured.
Nothing specific to wireless tethering.


I understand, but I wasn't talking about wireless tethering, I was 
talking about USB tethering, which worked fine in Lubuntu 14.04, but 
not anymore in 16.04.1  .  You may read my response to Liam Proven.

Thank you.




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Re: Brasero is just alright with me, too . . .

[Basil Fernie]

Fritz,

Some people are just more risk-averse than others.  You like your  
Powermac, fine for you; you look for the option on the Brasero  
sort-of-menu that sort of promises what you want, and ignore all the  
others and their dimly-implied possibiities, go ahead. But I'm trying to  
concentrate the probably few remaining years of my life on choices with  
clearer implications. Had my fun mastering obscure packages and writing  
helpyears ago, thank you, and enjoyed it. wasted a lot of time. Not now.


Peace,
Basil

PS Ok, how about this for a Brasero menu:

  Gotta image to burn (.iso, directory, etc)?  OK!
1. Burn Image to CD/DVD... burn, baby, burn!

  Need to make an image first? Oh, OK!
2.  Audio project
3.  Video project
4.  Download from internet
5.  Create file with word-processor
6.  Download .jpg(s) from smartphone
.
.
  Go back to 1 when you're ready for action.


Somewhere in the days of Nero, the terminology became horribly divorced  
from normal usage, and instead of "burn" implying an intense heat  
(laser-generated, normally, and frenetically melting tiny pits into  
specially made plastic media like CDs), it became identified with placidly  
organising data into a (temporary?) collection on {magnetic} media prior  
to, what else can we decently call it but burning thermally onto  
non-magnetic (optical) media. These days with high retrieval speeds from  
HDU and SSDs, plus ample RAM buffering, this intermediate step is needed  
far less often. Surely we can officially require "burn" to mean "burn" now  
and take the lead-up preparation and assembly - if needed - of data for  
granted?


Looks like the Brasero-menu author may have thought so too. But who from  
the layout of the menu and the strange use of "project" would believe it?  
Too risky for me. Given the reassurance from Fritz, maybe I'll try burning  
a/1/one CD/DVD with Brasero; but invest time in building up a long-term  
stable relationship with it? Why? No, I've got a real project needing some  
Forth programming of Bluetooth on Raspberry Pi to spend my time on...  
that's less risky.





On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 04:57:17 +0200, Fritz Hudnut   
wrote:





or a Burn image
("project" assumed). Gathering distant and unhappy recollections, I  
think

these could be better headed and grouped as


Basil:

Keep it simple . . . if you have an iso to burn, click on the "Burn  
Image" button . . . . It will then, burn the image . . . .


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Re: Brasero is just alright with me, too . . .

[Basil Fernie]

Fritz,

Some people are just more risk-averse than others.  You like your  
Powermac, fine for you; you look for the option on the Brasero  
sort-of-menu that sort of promises what you want, and ignore all the  
others and their dimly-implied possibiities, go ahead. But I'm trying to  
concentrate the probably few remaining years of my life on choices with  
clearer implications. Had my fun mastering obscure packages and writing  
helps for newbies years ago, thank you, and enjoyed it. Wasted a lot of  
time. Not now.


Peace,
Basil


PS Ok, how about this for a keep-it-simple Brasero menu:


  You gotta image to burn (.iso, directory, etc)?  OK! Bring it  
on, baby!

1. Burn Image to CD/DVD

  No? Need to make an image first? Oh, OK! Not really my scene,  
but if you insist:

2.   Audio project
3.   Video project
4.   Download from internet
5.   Create file with word-processor
6.   Download .jpg(s) from smartphone
.
.
17. Sing a happy song into the mike and capture it on Audacity

  Go back to 1 when you're ready for burning matters.


Frankly, I don't want my disk-burning software to have that whole second  
section. That's why, for simple, I appreciate xfburn now that I've used it  
a bit.


Somewhere in the days of Nero, the terminology became horribly divorced  
from normal usage, and instead of "burn" implying an intense heat  
(laser-generated, normally, and frenetically melting tiny pits into  
specially made plastic media like CDs), it became identified with placidly  
collecting data into a (temporary?) ensemble on {magnetic} media prior to,  
what else can we decently call it but burning thermally onto non-magnetic  
(optical) media? These days with high retrieval speeds from HDU and SSDs,  
plus ample RAM buffering, this intermediate step is needed far less often.  
Surely we can officially require "burn" to mean "burn" now and take the  
lead-up preparation and assembly - if needed - of data for granted?


Looks like the Brasero-menu author may have thought so too. But who from  
the layout of the menu and the strange use of "project" would believe it?  
Too risky for me. Given the reassurance from Fritz, maybe I'll try burning  
a/1/one CD/DVD with Brasero; but invest time in building up a long-term  
stable relationship with it? No thanks, I've got a real project needing  
some Forth programming of Bluetooth on Raspberry Pi to spend my time on...  
that's less risky. Oops, in Forth you have to be careful with your words.  
One word, one function. No problem, I can handle it.




On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 04:57:17 +0200, Fritz Hudnut   
wrote:





or a Burn image
("project" assumed). Gathering distant and unhappy recollections, I  
think

these could be better headed and grouped as


Basil:

Keep it simple . . . if you have an iso to burn, click on the "Burn  
Image" button . . . . It will then, burn the image . . . .


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Re: Brasero is just alright with me, too . . .

[Basil Fernie]

Inspired by all this favour for Brasero, I thought "Well, why not?" and  
fired it up. Bear in mind, please, that 90%+ of my disk-burning efforts  
are for producing bootable CDs/DVDs of .iso images of Linux distros  
downloaded from the internet. So this is probably the first time I have  
tried to make sense of the Bnow rasero menu. The menu-page tells me that I  
did try at some stage to do something with a Slacko iso, what I do not  
know and it does not tell me whether I was successful or not, nor when it  
happened. But it calls it a "Recent project". Down the left-hand side it  
offers me options to Create a new project: an Audio project, a Data  
project, a Video project, a Disc copy ("project" assumed) or a Burn image  
("project" assumed). Gathering distant and unhappy recollections, I think  
these could be better headed and grouped as


"Create burnable image/collection of"
  1:  Audio tracks for CD-player
  2:  Data files for PC-readable storage, or
  3:  Video tracks for TV or PC viewing

"Gather image off whole CD/DVD for"
  4:  Saving as image on HDU or copying onto new CD/DVD

"Burn image  obtained from"
  5:  1-4 above to physical CD/DVD
  6:  4 above to HDU

That would give me as a possible user a far clearer idea of what Brasero  
can do for me and what I have to do for it...  do you have any idea of  
what an "Audio project" conveys to me - organising a recording session  
with musicians, instruments, gear and all?  Not to mention a Video  
project! And at the end of the "project", will I have a nice newly burned  
playable DVD popping out? No, if I remember correctly, the actual work I  
know I want done will not have been addressed by the "project". Mustering  
files in some temporary directory I can do manually, burn I cannot.


Now a lot of the above is guesswork, I haven't tested out what I regard as  
the most charitable understanding of the menu-system that I can imagine.  
Shoot me down if you like - but I am just switched off by the conceptual  
inconsistencies in the Brasero presentation. I am not motivated to  even  
waste one DVD on checking my deductions. When I burn another iso in a  
month or two, am i going to remember the convoluted reasoning required?  
Especially when the "Help" menu refuses to find the desired information.


With xfburn in contrast, I can right-click on say a directory name in  
whatever file manager, Open with xfburn which will interpret the reference  
as being the right kind of image, select the right burn-to device  
(normally the default DVD-writer) and let it go. No, I don't think it does  
have an option to verify the write accuracy, but it comes up smartish with  
error messages if any problems are encountered along the way and I have  
never had a faulty burn that xfburn did not warn me of,  so I think it may  
be automatically verifying each track as it goes.


If you launch xfburn directly from Lubuntu's "Sound and Video" menu, you  
will be presented with an initial options page which boldly declares  
"Blank Disc: Prepare the rewritable disc for a new burn" which sounds like  
what you would like to see. The same facility is available from the  
"Actions" drop-down menu.


Hope this all is not too negative, obviously Brasero is working for some  
people!


Basil Fernie


On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 17:40:51 +0200, Fritz Hudnut <este.el@gmail.com>  
wrote:




On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 4:00 AM,  
<lubuntu-users-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com> wrote:

I prefer Brasero because it creating CD's or DVD's, it gives you the
option of verifying the copied CD/DVD.


I'm with Aere on this one, I've been using Brasero to burn some DVDs &  
CDs in 12.04 on my 00 Powermac lately . . . and the results have been  
very good . . . .  >I even figured out how to "blank" with it as well .  
. . not immediately obvious . . . .  : - )


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Re: cdrdao extremely slow

[Basil Fernie]

Yes, I know what you mean about KDE. A few years back, I was trying to  
settle on just one 'Buntu and scrapped KDE for that very reason. Chose  
Lubuntu and had fun planting LXDE on various unlikely candidates including  
Edubuntu. Stayed largely with Lubuntu since then, although delving into  
!#, pure Debian, various Debian-based things (e.g. Mint) and, BTW, using  
sundry Puppies quite a lot for system maintenance and repair.  Fouled up  
my MBR, it seems, with a recent trial installation of PCLinuxOS (no LiveCD  
available). Took too much time to recover, backups included. Won't go  
there again.


Found Lubuntu releases tend to be a bit rough around the edges in their  
earlier versions and decided to have an "old faithful" low-hassle working  
installation of LXLE 14.04 LTS while experimenting with the newer and  
flashier releases on a few spare partitions I keep available. For example,  
I have Lubuntu 15.10 and have used it with much success, including running  
very much newer versions of Opera (which I've used since OS/2 days) that  
have emerged recently, but not transferring my core workload to it yet,  
which was wise because something's gone wrong with the boot process of the  
15.10 installation. Will have to strip and re-install, I guess.


Kept an eye on new emerging distros and am enormously impressed with  
4MLinux, for very low resource consumption. Will have to spend a morning  
getting HDU and USB bootables going. But what I think you may find  
interesting is Q4OS, Debian-based but with a KDE3-forked user interface  
called Trinity Desktop Environment. It is blisteringly fast even though  
not RAM-based like the Puppies; and the general level of QA is what I  
certainly had come to expect from the KDE camp. Yes, it uses more RAM than  
Lubuntu in some scenarios, but not all that much - and the results are  
impressive. Using  version 1.4.4 I found a few "incompletenesses" rather  
than outright errors on the margins of development, and am looking forward  
to the release of version 2.0.x. I like the target desktop experience  
which is Win2K, still to my mind the best OS that M$ put out; but you can  
click it across to LXDE if desired.


What I am looking for is a distro I can confidently install and maintain  
on old skinny hardware owned by pensioners who want to avoid the Win10  
vortex but must escape from the XP bugtrap. Lubuntu ticks a lot of boxes,  
but is rather "unfamiliar". Q4OS could be "it".


I looked at Kmail but that was one ugly swamp-monster! (Well, not actually  
ugly, but it was like installing a whole new OS. ) Any comments on  
Evolution? Is it still being maintained?


My comments on the disk-burners are in an e-mail to Fritz.

Regards,
Basil


On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 02:04:55 +0200, Aere Greenway  
<a...@dvorak-keyboards.com> wrote:



On 12/17/2015 02:05 PM, Basil Fernie wrote:
K3b  is right up there with much other KDE-derived software in  
providing simple, smooth desired results on Lubuntu and LXLE when I'm  
feeling lazy and need a relaxed ride. When I'm feeling adventurous, I  
try xburn, usually with good results, but a bit more difficult to  
understand what you have to provide the package with and when.
I like k3b, having used it a lot in the past.  KDE used to me my primary  
system, until it turned into a processor/memory hog.  Also, discovering  
I couldn't migrate my KMail database to other Linux mail tools has kept  
me avoiding it.  I was favorably impressed with Kubuntu 15.10, though.


With Lubuntu, I usually use gnome-related applications, since they seem  
to require less additional library packages to be installed.


I have used xfburn as well at times.

I prefer Brasero because it creating CD's or DVD's, it gives you the  
option of verifying the copied CD/DVD.  I think K3B offers that as  
well.  Xfburn doesn't seem to offer that capability.





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Re: cdrdao extremely slow

[Basil Fernie]

K3b  is right up there with much other KDE-derived software in providing  
simple, smooth desired results on Lubuntu and LXLE when I'm feeling lazy  
and need a relaxed ride. When I'm feeling adventurous, I try xburn,  
usually with good results, but a bit more difficult to understand what you  
have to provide the package with and when.


Two good reasons for using good graphics user interface tools... both  
offering pretty good error messages.


Best wishes,
Basil


On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 23:04:24 +0200, Aere Greenway  
 wrote:



On 12/16/2015 12:45 PM, Sansebar wrote:

thank you Aere, for your speculations!


What comes quickly to my mind, is the possibility that the software is
getting many read-errors in trying to copy the track.  But I would
think it would give-up the attempt, reporting 'too many errors',
rather than taking over an hour to copy it.


I agree with you


The second thing that comes to mind, is that
copy-protection/encryption is causing the software to loop through a
very many dead-ends.


Actually there is no such copy protection. As I have burnt this CD by  
my own, I am sure about that.


I just cannot manage to burn an audio CD from *WAV-Files with Lubuntu.

Any help appreciated. I would prefer console tools rather than software  
with a graphical user interface.


Have a good one, Sebastian


Sebastian:

I have used Brasero many times recently, to burn audio CD's.  I am using  
Lubuntu 14.04.3.


Sorry I have no experience with command-line tools.  My preferences are  
the opposite of yours.





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Re: Install problems: Encrypted LVM Lubuntu install on USB hard drive

[Basil Fernie]

I had a similar problem with 14.x on my Lenovo/AMD laptop, which appeared  
after a regular kernel update to .18 or .19 something, so I had to use  
Advanced Options on bootup to select an older, functional kernel version,  
for several months... 15.10 is OK, so far.



On Sun, 08 Nov 2015 07:38:35 +0200, Aere Greenway  
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On 11/07/2015 08:55 PM, Tom Cloyd wrote:
boot attempt on both my netbook and desktop led to flashing cursor on  
blank screen
I have a machine with an older graphics chip (an i815, as I recall),  
that booted to a blank black screen after updates were applied far into  
the 14.04 release.


They had overcome that problem with 15.04 on that machine, but the  
problem is back in 15.10.  It now boots to a blank black screen again in  
15.10.





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Re: Opening Word Documents

[Basil Fernie]

On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 14:47:15 +0200, Eric Bradshaw  
 wrote:



?Greetings all!

I am having trouble opening Word documents (specifically Word 2007  
.docx?).
After saving to "Downloads" and right clicking "open with", several  
options

come up (including "document.XML" , none of which are able to open it.
Also, after opening Abiword and trying to access the document there, I
cannot open it.

The only way I can open these docs is by hovering over it in the Gmail
attachment and choosing "Google Docs" which then opens a new window in
Firefox, from where I can then view, and print, the document.

But I would appreciate being able to also open them in Abiword.

Thanks in advance for your help.
Steve


Steve - I agree with the previous posters in that LibreOffice is more
compatible with Microsoft Word and if you'll be receiving Microsoft Word
documents with any frequency, I also advise that you install LibreOffice  
.


If you expect to be *exchanging* documents with Microsoft Office users,
once you've downloaded and installed LibreOffice; go to Tools -->
Options --> Load/Save and check the settings for Default File Format and
ODF Settings. For example; you may want to save the Document Type Text
document as Microsoft Word 2007-2013 XML by default. This would save you
from having to choose such a selection every time. You also may want to
turn off the Warning when not saving in ODF file format.

The next setting down is VBA Properties and if you've done the above,
I'd advise checking all these. After that is Microsoft Office settings -
check all these (except for SmartArt - I don't believe that one works)
as well. And one more - under the LibreOffice Writer section, the Basic
Fonts (Western) should probably be one of the Microsoft Office "base"
fonts; Andale Mono, Arial, Arial Black, Comic Sans MS, Georgia, Impact,
Tahoma, Times New Roman, Trebuchet, or Verdana (Times New Roman is by
far the most used).

If you don't have these fonts available, go to Menu --> Accessories -->
LXTerminal
Type (or copy and paste):
sudo apt-get install ttf-mscorefonts-installer[Enter]

You will be required to agree to the Microsoft EULA. [Tab] to  then
[Enter]. [Left Arrow] to  then [Enter].

Eric






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Re: replacing the Startup Disk Creator in Lubuntu 16.04 LTS

[Basil Fernie]

I use it quite a lot, keeping several distros of current interest on a  
flash stick for use as and when. Have had no problems with it so far.


One desirable feature would be to be able to remove a no-longer  
interesting distro without having to replace all the ditros on the stick.  
Surely not too difficult to add?


Regards,
Basil


On Fri, 18 Sep 2015 17:07:57 +0200, Nio Wiklund   
wrote:



Hi Andre,

If you have time this weekend, please check it :-) I think it works, but
have not tested it.

Den 2015-09-18 kl. 16:47, skrev Andre Campos Rodovalho:

I'm hearing about MultiSystem... Looks like it uses GRUB2 and works for
UEFI, but I did not test it!

http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/



2015-09-18 2:19 GMT-03:00 Nio Wiklund >:

Den 2015-09-18 kl. 07:05, skrev Brendan Perrine:
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2015 05:44:52 +0100
> E James > wrote:
>
>> or 4 for Porteus). Mostly I use YUMI (Pen Drive Linux) to create  
a multiboot stick with maybe 5 or 10 choices (32 bit and 64 bit)  
including GParted and Parted Magic. It

>
> I actually find startup disk creator GUI more confusing than dd  
but when using dd but only if you use lsblk to know which drive you are  
entirely overwritten.


Hi Brendan,

I think dd is too dangerous even for gurus. So I 'wrap a safely belt
around it' with mkusb. If you prefer a command line tool, there is
mkusb-nox without bells and whistles, but the safely belt is there  
:-)


Other people prefer Disks (gnome-disks), Multisystem and I think  
many
people use and like Unetbootin. (LXLE switched to MultibootUSB in  
the

current release. ToriOS will release its first version with mkusb.)

Before deciding to change tool, I suggest that we try other tools  
than

our favourites, and discuss the results here.

Best regards
Nio

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Unwanted installations: removing more recent Lubuntu kernels.

[Basil Fernie]

Hi all, a little light change of topic.

I have three different Lubu releases available on different partitions for  
comparison and other reasons and want to keep it that way, I just want to  
get rid of some of the kernel point releases that are no-longer required.  
They clutter up my boot menu and, no doubt, the hard drive. I've consulted  
some Lubuntu sites regarding removal and have a reasonable idea of the  
difference between apt-get remove and apt-get purge. I suspect that the  
latter is what I want. BUT I specifically want to get back to a version of  
Lubuntu using linux3.19.0-15-generic (which I use a lot, and booted into  
manually from the GRUB menu for the current session) and get rid of the  
more recent one using linux3.19.0-25-generic which doesn't boot to  
completion - no mouse cursor. Rather than fix it, I'll wait for 15.10. In  
the mean while I want to rely on 15.04 with minimum fuss.


Should I be looking at  dpkg --force-downgrade?  If so how should I  
parametrize the command? - I don't want to lose too much...


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Re: Lubuntu-users Digest, Vol 36, Issue 27

[Basil Fernie]

If you can implement Roxterm, you should have no trouble with cut/paste.  
Just remember to add a Shift key to the notmal Ctrl-C or Ctrl-V


Basil


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I used the command *dmesg* and it brought up a lot of log info.
However I am having trouble copy/pasting from the UXTerm. If I right  
click to highlight, it just creates a grey block area, and doesn't show  
any right click functions.

I also can't paste any commands into UXTerm either.
Help!

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Re: How old is your computer - the sequel.

[Basil Fernie]

Hi Barry, While I have had some problems trying to run Ubuntu even with  
LXDE on some laptops over the past year or two, I have had a lot od  
success recently with Lubuntu14.10, LXLE14.10 (for 64-bit) or LXLE14.04.1  
for 32-bit, or, when all else fails, CrunchBang.


HTH (and remember, Lubuntu is not quite Ubuntu+LXDE; also, LXLE  
incorporates a menubar slightly reminiscent of Unity)


Basil Fernie



On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 15:57:36 +0200, Barry Titterton  
titterton.ba...@gmail.com wrote:



Hi All,

Thank you for all of your replies. I am very impressed by all of the
wonderful veteran machines that are still being used, and I thought that
I was doing well with a 9 year old machine!

You may recall from my original post that the question was prompted by a
conversation at a local (Windows only) computer training course. I, as
you may expect, talked to the tutor and students about how Linux was
good on older machines. The tutor then mentioned that they had three old
laptops that they no longer used, and that I was welcome to try putting
Linux on them. Two of the computers are old XP machines (Dell Latitude
D505, Pentium M with 1 Gb RAM) that were donated by the local Teesdale
council. The CPUs on these are non-pae so I am using Lubuntu with the
'forcepae' option on install. I have managed to get one working and am
going back after New Year to do the second. The third machine is a much
newer Win 7 Toshiba Satellite Pro (spec unknown), donated by BT, that
never worked properly and was quickly retired to the store cupboard. I
am unsure whether to use Mint 17 with cinnamon on this machine, or full
Ubunutu as Unity may be too much these very inexperienced (and nervous)
students. I don't want to confuse them by doing too much, too quickly.
Does anyone know if these desktop environments will work together if
installed on the same machine as alternatives? I have, in the past,
tried XFCE and LXDE on the same machine and it did not work well.

Regards,

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Re: Best local backup program for upload to cloud?

[Basil Fernie]

In the Very Good, Very Old days when I used to personally build, sell,  
install and maintain my own line of desktop PCs (a mere sideline to my  
core business of writing and selling my own cost-control software for the  
construction industry) there was a very mean company called-but-not-named  
M$ that forced a horrible 16-bit operating system named MS-DOS onto almost  
all PC manufacturers in a way that was surely illegal, certainly immoral.  
It did not match any of my standards - ethical, functional, quality or  
economic - and I was delighted to discover an alternative named DR-DOS,  
from the Digital Research company that had provided the CP/M that  
controlled so many 8-bit micros. It met all of my standards, and after  
that I never sold a PC with MS-DOS preloaded. Just one example of its  
superiority: a command called xcopy (eXtended COPY), which did everything  
the M$ dupes wished copy could do but were forced to turn to Norton  
Utilities or similar to perform. It took many years before M$'s miserable  
copy came anywhere near.


To do a backup with xcopy was simplicity itself because of the  
command-line parameters that were available, documented clearly and  
on-line in less than 1 Hercules 25-line screen. For 10 years or more that  
was all I needed for shifting HDUs-full of files and directories around  
with a single command.


Xcopy failed to be updated for a 32-bit, let alone 64-bit, world and  
became less and less useful because of its addressing inadequacies. I  
moved to OS/2, and found command-line and graphical utilities that worked  
quite intuitively and effectively. OS/2 was great, although poisoned in  
the marketplace by the Evil Empire. Eventually I could resist the Win32  
pressure no longer, and transferred to Window 2000 Server, a fine but  
flawed piece of work. Graduated eventually to Win7, all the while keeping  
an eye on Linux to see if it was desktop-ready yet. With inexpensive 3G  
modems joining sort-of-usable printing via CUPS, I moved slowly into  
OpenSuSE, then 'buntus, and am now pretty well settled with Lubuntu and  
other Debian derivatives. (And I dabble with a wide variety of other  
distros. Distrowatch is a dangerous site!)


And I have not found a single simple way to do the simple thing that was  
the mainstay of my file management, for myself and my hundreds of clients,  
for more than 2 decades. Oh, I know that in 'nix a file is a much more  
complex thing than we DOSsers every imagined. Oh yes, I speed-read   
coreutils.info  last night, looking for useful hints, all 18627 lines, of  
which almost 3000 lines are of index for, pardon me, important concepts  
which presumably you should be familiar with before you can select out the  
half-dozen you actually want to use. A 3000-concept learning-curve before  
you can decide whether and how to use   cp  (after reading at a guess 7  
times as many screens for man cp as for the very-effective help-option for  
xcopy), cpio  or  backup? OK, I guess, if you want to become sysadmin for  
a university. But guess what: our DR-DOS tools managed to hide the  
potential complexity from us hillbillies very successfully 99.% of the  
time. Why should we expect anything inferior from Linux, and to be even  
more direct, Ubuntu setting its sights on the common users of a wide range  
of platforms? Yet more so, Lubuntu which is spreading the domain of Ubuntu  
even wider?


At least I learned that what I thought I wanted to do and I gather you  
want to do, i.e. to make backups, is not what Linux thinks I want to do.  
Nor is a Linux archive what I want to make, although it could be twisted  
to get halfway there. And  cp  may non-obviously be pressed into the  
next-door county, but getting it across the border into mine will probably  
require writing a shell-script.


I thought about that for maybe 30 seconds (haven't tried bash or Python,  
my language of choice is C followed by C++) while I opened up a terminal  
and typed man fc and nothing was found. Meaning, I think, that there's  
an acronym open for implementation of a user-developed command (File  
Compare - yes, I know you can get  cp  to do this) which will be  
parametrisable to follow up the comparison (after user intervention, if  
needed, in dubious cases) with whatever backup/archiving process has been  
pre-planned. May as well put the research done to good use. Maybe it could  
even become feasible to pipe stuff through an interface to your favorite  
cloud?


Last remark: why don't Linux packagers like acronyms for naming utilities?  
(Copy Phile???!!! Goes off muttering to himself...)


All the best for your search, but remember Linux has a different take on  
backups.


Basil Fernie





On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 00:03:37 +0200, John Hupp lubu...@prpcompany.com  
wrote:


I'm still working on a solution for the problems I raised in the thread  
A survey of GUI-based free online backup.


I have swung this way and that looking for the best

Re: Lubuntu : One month later

[Basil Fernie]

Good question about upgrade process!

After years on Lubuntu 12.04 as updated from time to time, I was more than  
hankering for a decent kernel upgrade and leapt at 14-04 LTS as soon as it  
was released. There were several major inconveniences which I had to learn  
workarounds for which were mainly attended to in 14.04.1, but I had to  
wait quite a while for that to come out and in fact I soon found that  
14.10 was more completely sorted out (although anything that installs  
leaving out gparted from the menu system is a little dubious, bear in mind  
it is actually available in the live version menus and, methinks, takes  
part in the installation process IIRC). Let me hasten to say that 14.10 is  
the first actual Lubuntu to run successfully on all the laptops )from  
various makers) and oddjob desktops I have lying around. (CrunchBang did  
that quite a while ago, but the user interface is a bit abstract for my  
user population.) So in this case, I would recommend 14.10 to a Lubuntu  
beginner rather than the current LTS.


Bear in mind also that after a couple of years of using Lubuntu, I think  
many ex-beginners would be feeling comfortable and confident enough to  
upgrade )with a tiny bit of handholding) to a well-established LTS version  
then. Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush kind of thing. LTS does  
not stand for Lubuntu - Totally Sorted!, at least not from the start.


The other beginner-friendly strategy I can recommend may seem a bit like  
cheating, because it is to use LXLE rather than plain Lubuntu. LXLE is a  
respin by somebody not (as far as I know) on the Lubuntu developer team  
which is by policy openly based on Lubuntu xx LTS and tends to be released  
a month or two later than the corresponding Lubuntu LTS. This extra time  
is spent to good effect polishing and stress-testing the components with  
the result that it gives a somewhat more re-assuring impression and more  
luxurious operation than vanilla Lubuntu. Kind of like a Cadillac with  
mainly Chev mechanicals under the hood. LXLE was thus solidly usable (on  
all my machines) well before 14.04 LTS was. Drawbacks include slightly  
slower bootup (but what a classy splash screen to watch!) and being a bit  
behind more adventurous distros regarding availability of updates of some  
application packages. Which, for a beginner, is perhaps not a bad thing.  
Also tends to use more RAM, apparently holding applications in RAM for  
snappy delivery when called for, giving a very smooth user experience.  
Swings and roundabouts.


Suggestion to Lubuntu team: Why not take a leaf from the LibreOffice book:  
If you go to their downloads page, you will be advised of the latest  
release for the Fresh Branch and the Still Branch (OK, not happy  
terminoogy but...) Currently the Still Branch is coming to an end with  
4.2.7, after being stuck as I remember in the 3.x.y's for quite a while.  
Basically the Still Branch has been the one recommended for  
people/organizations needing maximum reliability rather than maximum  
performance and features, thus the equivalent of what one might wish to  
offer a Lubuntu beginner. Note that this branch too has progressed, with a  
lot of feedback from the Fresh Branch users and a lot of diligent qoek at  
bugtrapping. So they've nearly caught up to the Frech Branch (4.3.4.2) and  
while they will leave 4.2.7 available for relevant users, the effort now  
goes in to the Fresh Branch (also with heavy emphasis on bugtrapping) as  
having achieved pretty-well industrial strength now. (Know thAT you can go  
out closer to bleeding edge with  4.3.5 or even 4.4, meaning I suppose  
that the Still Branch will land up somewhere in the high 4.3s once 4.4 is  
declared to be in the Fresh Branch.


Now I know that the ODF is far larger than the Lubuntu team, and anyway  
under the covers the versioning process is probably not all that much  
different. But the 6-month Ubuntu release cycle puts a lot more stress on  
developers and, I think, may confuse especially novice 'buntu users who  
think LTS is a guarantee of quolity already. So why not openly advocate a  
latest version in the LTS series that is recommended for entry-level users  
who want minimum fuss over the next few years, versus latest version in  
any series for users wanting a fuller complement of features/performance  
with reasonable stability but having more tolerance for occasional  
oddities? Based on age of oldest known user divided by number of unclosed  
bug-reports, perhaps, and probably not less than say 8 months old?


Just my 2c worth.

Basil Fernie






I wonder if a relevant piece of information regarding this (particularly  
for beginners), is how reliable is the upgrade process from one LTS  
version to the next?


I can't yet answer that from my own experience.

I know the upgrade process from one release to the next release has been  
very reliable, but I haven't yet tried upgrading from one LTS release

Re: Basil's question (move home to separate partition and restore working system)

[Basil Fernie]

Hi Israel,
My apologies for mislaying your original e-mail somewhere in the chaos of
parallel-but-not-equal mailer installations and a non-functional printer
installation on the failed Lu14.04 attempt.

Andre's implied rebuke is taken as deserved. I hope he will remember that  
when his memory is as old as mine...


I did backup the .config and the .cache as recommended, then did the stop
and start of lightdm. Pleasingly enough, I was rewarded with a desktop
full of familiar icons. However, in due course after downloading and
installing hundreds of megabytes of updates, I wanted to reboot but there
was no apparent response. I decided then to go through the pain of making
space on my potential backup media to take the entire /home.

However I couldn't boot again, not even from the DVD, to do the transfer.
Finally Precise Puppy came to my rescue and I spent most of the weekend's
windows of opportunity juggling hundreds of gigs of files. Scrubbed the
target partition, reformatted it and did a clean install of Lu14.04.1

Which then worked rather nicely, apart from (so far):

1. Bad printer installation. The process recognised my HP DJ F4180 as  
indeed an HP DJ, but had no F-series printers on its database and offered  
an option which I took, with everything following smoothly until Print a  
test page? which didn't even create an entry in the print queue. In fact  
no applications see the printer, which might as well be disconnected.  
Oddly enough, the parallel LXLE14.04, based on Lubuntu14.04.1 and using  
exactly the same hardware, recognised the printer as an F4100-series,  
installed it correctly and everything on that side works as desired. Which  
is what it did with Lu12.04, come to think of it. If I manage to identify  
the responsible (irresponsible?) file(s) in the Lubuntu installation,  
perhaps I'll replace them, because I do actually like to use Lubuntu  
although it may not always seem like it. I accept I can probably find my  
way to a fix, it just annoys me on the basis of if it works, don't tamper  
with it).


2. No trace of a volume control. Even though it is the first point update  
of Lubuntu14.04 and the latest updates were downloaded by update manager  
this morning. What use is a sound system without a volume control?


Well, now that I have the backups safely tucked away, I'm going to do a  
clean install LXLE14.04 over the major partition where I'v been trying to  
install Lubuntu, to see if i can find true happiness with it as my daily  
working installation. And then I'm going to install Lubu14.04.1 to the  
minor partition, my run-flat partition, to see if I can nail these  
troublesome issues. As I said, I LIKE to use Lubuntu.


Frankly, I'm depressed. If simple problems like these have evaded the  
14.04 testers for so long, how ready is 14.10 going to be? Really, I would  
volunteer to join the team of testers, but I'm put off by the reports that  
it will be incompatible with  synaptiks, which is the only reason I can  
type a paragraph of text on this laptop without tearing my hair out. Are  
the re[prts true? Is an alternative included in the distro?


Should I turn to plain Debian and try carving it up a bit? Suggestions  
welcomw.


Best regards,

Basil




On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:43:06 +0200, Israel israeld...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi Basil!
I highly sugegst youtry my initial suggestion
open a tty  (Ctrl+Alt+F1)
login, then:

sudo mv ~/.config ~/config_backup
sudo mv ~/.cache ~/cache_backup

then

sudo restart lightdm

or alternatively

sudo stop lightdm
sudo start lightdm

Then it should work however some of your application specific
settings will be gone.
you can experiment moving each folder back from config_backup to .config

Hope this does it for you.

Also you may need to move some other hidden files if you have edited
them by hand
in your home directory

On 09/13/2014 05:00 AM, Basil Fernie wrote:


Hi Israel,
No problem with the new thread, Just wasn't expecting to see my name
up in lights so soon in life...

Your suggestions were probably good, but I had this problem with 20GB
spare to hold 3 versions of a 30GB folder... I followed up the links
which were again addressing a slightly different and easier problem,
namely how to shift your /home partition at or after installation. My
problem is however how to capture an existing /home on that is
already on a different partition. But by pursuing the downlinks I
found some interesting stuff which after testing out I may be able to
summarise for some other coutios user. It did not get as far as
telling me how I could do what I wanted to do safely.

So I did some selective trimming and clipping and backed up /home to
an already full external drive and copied a carefully selected portion
to the LXLE partition so I could use Opera without extreme
contortions, hence I am able to reply to your email.

Then I tried to install Lubuntu 14.04.1 over the failed
installation, with preservation of /home. The installation

Re: Basil's question (move home to separate partition and restore working system)

[Basil Fernie]

Hi Israel,
No problem with the new thread, Just wasn't expecting to see my name up in  
lights so soon in life...


Your suggestions were probably good, but I had this problem with 20GB  
spare to hold 3 versions of a 30GB folder... I followed up the links which  
were again addressing a slightly different and easier problem, namely  
how to shift your /home partition at or after installation. My problem is  
however how to capture an existing /home on that is already on a  
different partition. But by pursuing the downlinks I found some  
interesting stuff which after testing out I may be able to summarise for  
some other coutios user. It did not get as far as telling me how I could  
do what I wanted to do safely.


So I did some selective trimming and clipping and backed up /home to an  
already full external drive and copied a carefully selected portion to the  
LXLE partition so I could use Opera without extreme contortions, hence I  
am able to reply to your email.


Then I tried to install Lubuntu 14.04.1 over the failed installation,  
with preservation of /home. The installation failed in the last 5% of  
Restoring previously removed packages, i.e. right on the last lap of the  
installation marathon. There was a warning that the desktop manager was  
not working. The installation booted, to a black screen with a conky. I  
could get a terminal window by right-clicking on the desktop, and  
presumably could have replaced the faulty or missing desktop manager with  
a command or two if I had a bit more insight. I repeated the attempted  
installation with Lubuntu 12.04.3 and with LXLE14.04, with exactly the  
same results. So I am concluding that in that /home that my greedy eyes  
are fixed on, is a poisoned desktop manager which I don't want to be  
accessed by my working LXLE installation on the small partition.


So my problem has changed; all the installation DVDs have good desktop  
managers as evidenced by fault-free live runs, but already on the hard  
drive partition in probably the /home is a vicious evil desktop manager.  
How can I destroy this dragon that guards Sinbad's cave full of software  
jewels and my precious archival data?


Best regards,

Basil




On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 00:06:17 +0200, Israel israeld...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi Basil,
I wanted to move this to a new thread, so it would be easier to spot in
people's inbox :)

OS/2 eh?  I remember using that for a while.  Unfortunately that was
during the time of MS' big move to control the market.  And well, they
did.  They are still trying to, however the advent of the smartphone has
seriously jeopardized their chances much like Netscape Navigator did
with IE taking over the internet (and Firefox does still against MS and
Google taking over the free web)

Regarding moving your home to a separate partition in a 'working'  
install:


The potential for data  loss is very real in this case.  No matter what
you decide to do, you should BACKUP your home partition to whatever
media you have (USB/SD/external HD, etc...)
This is something we should all be doing fairly periodically either way.

So, here is some reading material for you.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving

This seems fairly straight forward.

But, if it were me, I would simply backup my /home and reinstall.
See this for some info:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DiskSpace#Separate_.2BAC8-home_.28optional.29
and here is one with screenshots (albeit older, but still relevant)
http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/installseparatehome

The main consideration is that you will have to use the Do something
else option if you choose to reinstall from a disk ever again, and set
it up the same.
something like:
17Gig partition mounted at /
32 Gig mounted at /home
1 Gig swap partition

You can of course try the first method, and if it does not succeed you
have a backup of your home anyway, and can simply reinstall.

But don't share your home partition with other distros... there are lots
of issues that could creep up that way, unfortunately, especially using
your ~/.config directory

Your ~/.config directory is the one that holds the configuration files,
and may be the culprit of your current mess, though it might simply be a
mess of incomplete things installed.

hope this info helps your restoration process




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Re: Lost my GUI in 14.10

[Basil Fernie]

Thank you again, Israel, it did explain better what you meant, but I would  
still like to hear exactly how to do what I want to do at this stage.


First, let me assure you that I am by no means ignorant of matters  
software ans OS, having been a user and developer on platforms from the  
IBM 704 right through the entire PC revolution. Even programmed some  
interesting applications in Forth, where dependencies are  
everything...Initially I was not interested in Linux since it was going to  
take a long time to be usable by my particular client set of PC users.  
However I had repudiated Microsoft because of their unethical approach to  
the PC market and used DR-DOS until the pressure for GUIs became too  
intense. I transferred to OS/2 with great technical satisfaction and even  
some end-user acceptance, until just after the Y2K bug furore, then joined  
the M$ herd until Linux more or less came of age. Since then I have been  
trying to use it from the intelligent user perspective, rather than  
becoming a Linux fundi which could be counterproductive in regard to my  
efforts to spread Linux, as distinct from Android, usage.


Thus while I could probably sit down for a couple of weeks and RTFM and  
become a Linux boff in due course, I don't want to. I'm well past  
retirement age at this stage and there are many other things I want to do  
with whatever time is left to me. Hopefully Linux will be a continually  
more viable tool helping me to accomplish these things, but I want to sit  
in my chosen intelligent user space, encouraging hopefully many others  
to join me. Obviously I need a reference community to whom I can turn with  
questions that I am out of my depth on, and that's why I'm on this list.


Now to specifics: My laptop has a 50GB ext4 partition (sda6) with Lubuntu  
12.04/14.04.1 installed to some messy degree on it; ~/home occupies 30GB  
with 15GB taken by other system folders. There is another, 20GB, ext4  
partition (sda7) which I have used at various stages to try out different  
distros on. At the moment it has LXDE14.04.1 cleanly on it, hosting a few  
applications I cannot do without right now (CUPS, anyone?). I would be  
rather happy if you could steer me to some config file (I presume) on sda7  
where with a bit of text editing I could redirect ~/home searches to sda6.  
Is this exercise likely to be dangerous in terms of data loss? If it is  
successful I'll weigh up my options going forward for, e.g. a clean  
Lubuntu 14.04.1 install on sda6. I can spare the time for backing up  
~/home to an external USB drive, but don't want to have to restore it  
after such a clean install, I am already losing too much productive time  
on the laptop... If I can just try the exercise of switching the search  
partition, I may have learned a very valuable technique for various  
situations.


Could you please help me in this? Any helpful comments?

Best regards,

Basil Fernie



On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 22:18:44 +0200, Israel israeld...@gmail.com wrote:



Hi Basil,
The idea behind installing /home to a separate partition excludes your  
personal documents (Music, photos, Documents, Videos, etc...)  from the  
base OS.

All aps are stored in a few general places the most pertinent are:
/usr/bin
/opt
as well as the 'system administrator' apps being in:
/usr/sbin
The /usr/share/applications folder gives the Desktop Environment (i.e.  
LXDE/Lubuntu)
the information about the app, like Name (in various languages) Icon,  
Category and path to the executable... i.e. /usr/bin/some-program
Sharing this folder between other distros is HIGHLY discouraged by most  
people.  You can however have a partition that you keep separate to  
share between distros, and access it at will.


My point I was making was about things in ~/.config/  and ~/.cache/
There are some configuration files in those folders that occasionally  
get messed up in an upgrade.  You can move the entire folder to a  
backup (mv ~/.config ~/backup_config  mv ~/.cache ~/backup_cache)
And see if this fixes your issues.  You will lose all of your data  
(firefox bookmarks, program settings) but you can (of course) copy  
those back from your backup.


If it doesn't fix your issues, you may need to simply backup your /home  
directory and reinstall.
If you are very adept and understand dependencies you can use apt's  
cache as a backup for your current programs, though that is often  
asking for trouble, so if you are slightly unsure the answer is 'Do not  
try this!' :)


NOW,
to set up a fresh install with a separate /home you must do this through  
the 'Something Else' option where you choose what to do when installing  
(other options are Replace Lubuntu 14.04, Install alongside, etc...)


The way to partition your disk (assuming you have a regular x86 machine  
(32/64 bit))

is very simple.

1. Make a partition that is about 20Gigs and set it to mount at /

2. If you have 2 Gig of Ram make a swap partition at the end

Re: Lost my GUI in 14.10

[Basil Fernie]

Hi Israel,

Thanks for the as always considerate response.

1. I tried the sudo apt-get update  sudo apt-get upgrade

although I wonder if this has any more effect than issuing the two  
commands separately but consecutively. Anyway it downloaded and installed  
another 1-2MB of files which might just have been very recently released  
to the repositories? Whatever, the whole thing still failed on the  
sane-utils as before.


There's enough Trusty Tahr floating around to thwart the other sudo which  
reports there isn't a new release to upgrade to.


Regarding the /home trick, I'm confused. First, does  /home contain all my  
chosen and explicitly installed apps as well as data in eg Documents and  
Downloads folders? What about system-tied apps, e.g. utilities, which  
might be replaced in the new release by proxies not to my liking? How can  
I retain those without fouling up the new installation? I seem to recall  
that updated versions of LibreOffice get installed in /opt...


Second, how do I redirect OS searches for /home away from the default disk  
to the substitute, POST-installaion of the new release? (I'm presuming  
that if the desirable /home is on sda6 and I am clean-installing to sda7,  
involving formatting of sda7, and I rediract /home to sda6 DURING the  
installation, the installer is going to wipe the /home on sda6, if not the  
whole of sda6, as well as sda7


Any authoritative responses will be very welcome! I like the /home idea as  
it suggests the potential of having a variety of Debian-based distros  
accessing a common data- and- application base... but, better safe than  
sorry


Basil



On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 15:34:36 +0200, Israel israeld...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi Basil,
I generally do a 'clean' install for each new release.
I usually keep my /home in a separate partition,
and simply reinstall using a Live USB.

You could try simply updating your system from a terminal

sudo apt-get update  sudo apt-get upgrade

or perhaps.

sudo do-release-upgrade

Of course you may need to move your configuration files to a backup, and
let the current system re-make them for you.

If you have an issue, we would like to help if we can :)


On 09/08/2014 05:11 AM, Basil Fernie wrote:

...or, Lost MY GUI in 14.04!

Been watching this one with a sort of morbid interest, because my laptop
is sitting with a failed upgrade from 12.04.? Symptoms include  a
frequent
failure to display desktop on boot apart from taskbar across bottom of
screen and conky in top right-hand corner (at least the Xserver is
presumably working), I can select and run any application from the main
Lubuntu menu, so am not totally immobilised, but try Send to gesktop?
Nothing visible happens.

Also lack of the volume control applet icon on the taskbar so I have no
convenient means of muting sound. Certainly the sound is working, but
there is no control on the desktop. Task Manager advises pulseaudio at
work, also reveals
gvfs-afc-volume-monitor  and gvfs-ufd-volume-monitor  and
gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor  are active, whatever they may be I don't
know how to control them or even if I should be able to.

And I have 817 uninstalled upgrades waiting for ...what? That number
has come down from over 830 after repeated apt-get update, apt-get
upgrade, apt-get autoremove sequences; it has stuck now stubbornly on
817. Seems to be blocked by a purported lack af sane-devices (but I
can scan without difficulty from my HP DeskJet F4180...)

Every now and then a System Upgrade advisory window opens - if I
click Run it frowns at me and says This program cannot do an
upgrade from Trusty to Precise. Which is understandable, but I was
rather hoping it wouls complete the upgrade from the older to the newer.

Oh, and I have 2  instances of   nmapplet-manager  running after boot,
but this is a know and resolved issue.

All this in the wake of an attempted click-and-lean-back,
watch-the-terminal-messages-scrolling-past automated upgrade from
12.04.04 to 14.04.1 (I had decided to wait for the first point update
to be released, memories of Microsoft days, better safe than sorry
right?)

Earlier, though, while still purportedly runnining on 12.04.?, and
religiously using Update Manager to stay, well, up-to-date, I wwould
be instructed to insert my 14.04 CD (DVD) as some needed files were on
it. So I did, the ISO DVD with which I had done live boots for
version-testing, and concluded that I would wait for 14.04.1 before
doing the system upgrade. Apparently UM couldn't penetrate the .iso
barrier (directory structure) to find the files it needed... Which
CD/DVD was it looking for, please advise? Surely this shouldn't be a
problem?

So while I would be delighted to help test L14.10, I'm not too
sanguine about committing time to a version which it doesn't seem will
be clear of the problems I already face, but will have the added
problem, I hear, that  synaptiks won't be usable with it. Synaptiks is
the only reason I can type this e-mail on my laptop

Re: Lost my GUI in 14.10

[Basil Fernie]

...or, Lost MY GUI in 14.04!

Been watching this one with a sort of morbid interest, because my laptop
is sitting with a failed upgrade from 12.04.? Symptoms include  a frequent
failure to display desktop on boot apart from taskbar across bottom of
screen and conky in top right-hand corner (at least the Xserver is
presumably working), I can select and run any application from the main
Lubuntu menu, so am not totally immobilised, but try Send to gesktop?
Nothing visible happens.

Also lack of the volume control applet icon on the taskbar so I have no
convenient means of muting sound. Certainly the sound is working, but
there is no control on the desktop. Task Manager advises pulseaudio at  
work, also reveals
gvfs-afc-volume-monitor  and gvfs-ufd-volume-monitor  and   
gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor  are active, whatever they may be I don't know  
how to control them or even if I should be able to.


And I have 817 uninstalled upgrades waiting for ...what? That number has  
come down from over 830 after repeated apt-get update, apt-get upgrade,  
apt-get autoremove sequences; it has stuck now stubbornly on 817. Seems to  
be blocked by a purported lack af sane-devices (but I can scan without  
difficulty from my HP DeskJet F4180...)


Every now and then a System Upgrade advisory window opens - if I click  
Run it frowns at me and says This program cannot do an upgrade from  
Trusty to Precise. Which is understandable, but I was rather hoping it  
wouls complete the upgrade from the older to the newer.


Oh, and I have 2  instances of   nmapplet-manager  running after boot, but  
this is a know and resolved issue.


All this in the wake of an attempted click-and-lean-back,  
watch-the-terminal-messages-scrolling-past automated upgrade from 12.04.04  
to 14.04.1 (I had decided to wait for the first point update to be  
released, memories of Microsoft days, better safe than sorry right?)


Earlier, though, while still purportedly runnining on 12.04.?, and  
religiously using Update Manager to stay, well, up-to-date, I wwould be  
instructed to insert my 14.04 CD (DVD) as some needed files were on it. So  
I did, the ISO DVD with which I had done live boots for version-testing,  
and concluded that I would wait for 14.04.1 before doing the system  
upgrade. Apparently UM couldn't penetrate the .iso barrier (directory  
structure) to find the files it needed... Which CD/DVD was it looking for,  
please advise? Surely this shouldn't be a problem?


So while I would be delighted to help test L14.10, I'm not too sanguine  
about committing time to a version which it doesn't seem will be clear of  
the problems I already face, but will have the added problem, I hear,  
that  synaptiks won't be usable with it. Synaptiks is the only reason I  
can type this e-mail on my laptop without going crazy. This could be  
show-stopper stuff.


Currently I'm transferring workload bit-by-bit to a parallel installation  
of LXDE 14.04.1 which of course depends heavily on Lubuntu. It's not  
perfect, of course, but seems to be clear of most of the hassles  
encountered here - so far.


Strength and fortitude and great appreciation to all,

Basil Fernie





On Sun, 07 Sep 2014 10:34:24 +0200, Henk Terhell hterh...@chello.nl
wrote:

There are still several issues on both Lubuntu 14.10 and Xubuntu 14.10  
on my device.

Main issues are:
Lubuntu 14.10:
- only after a terminal upgrade of nvidia driver 304 I get a GUI back. 
The automatic upgrade from the menu of the software updater gave me  
again the old version of 304.123 resulting in a blank screen.
- login is required after screen time-out, which cannot be switched off.  
The handling through Xfce Power Manager is confusing and doesn't  
function well (e.g. system sleep mode cannot be changed from suspend).  
Installing xscreensaver could help to control the handling of screen  
time-out, but such action is not needed in L14.04.


I will replace shortly my current L14.10 with a fresh daily build and  
see what happens, but I don't expect differences.


Xubuntu 14.10:
- only from terminal login and command startx I get a GUI with latest  
driver 304.123
- although the nvidia sound card is recognized with command inxi -AG,  
there is no output to the internal monitor speakers (in lubuntu 14.10  
there is no sound problem at all)


Henk

Israel schreef op 6-9-2014 om 20:25:

Great Henk!
So everything works for both L(X)ubuntu?
This issue shouldn't be present then in the daily builds, is this  
correct?


You say there is a sound problem now?
Is this for Lubuntu or Xubuntu?

Maybe testing the daily image for Lubuntu will confirm that the
startx/nvidia issue is fixed.


On 09/06/2014 03:19 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:

I just read about an upgrade fix that was issued for nvidia 304.123
(see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1365336 at
#45; there is an explanation at #32)
Xubuntu 14.10 still needs startx to boot the desktop after an upgrade
to this driver was received

Re: autostart bug

[Basil Fernie]

Hi Nio,

Thanks for the prompt response. I checked out the linked threads and my  
conclusion is that most of the advice offered actually addresses the  
converse of my problem. There are solutions to the question How do I  
introduce a new application package offline to an existing installed  
distro. I read them with interest, this is also a problem I sometimes  
face, but what is really on my mind is this:


How do I overwrite an existing full working installation's system files,  
including the Linux kernel, with an upgrade to a more recent version (from  
12.04 to 14.04 in this instance)? Specifically, I have the entirety of the  
new version as released in an iso on a bootable DVD already; I have run  
that iso live from the DVD and am satisfied that it's fine, apart perhaps  
for a few regular-type dsriable updates which I will anyway do via  
Lubuntu's Update Manager in due course.


What I would love to be able to do is boot from the new DVD and invoke the  
live installer, selecting then the (currently non-existent) option to  
overwrite the existing system including kernel, system executables,  
scripts, configuration files, and distro-standard included application  
packages that are more recent than ones I have already installed over the  
older distro, without being forced to reformat the entire Lubuntu  
partition, thereby losing all my painfully selected, downloaded and  
installed additional application packages not to mention the gigabytes of  
user data.


To preserve these important to me things I am currently forced to backup  
everything that I think will be endangered, do a clean install of the new  
Lubuntu, then restore everything from backup, in the process probably  
overwriting some important new files that were installed with the new  
version of the distro. A job stretching over probably 2 or 3 days  
initially, followed unpleasant random discoveries at various (critical?)  
points.


The only remotely relevant suggestion I could find would mean doing a  
clean  live install of e.g. Lubuntu 14.o4 on another machine booted from  
the new DVD, then copy them into the named special directory on my  
operational laptop's operational partition, then do a no-download  
installation from that directory. I expect that will avoid the feared  
non-optional reformatting requirement of the target partition, since the  
named directory is on that partition?


The obvious potential problem here is that the interim machine on which  
the clean install is done, may have subtle differences at the hardware or  
BIOS level and thus force a clean installation that might be somewhat  
inappropriate for the eventual operational machine.


Variations on this theme which might be better would include setting aside  
a bootable partition on the operational target machine for the interim  
clean install, then doing the copy at HDU speeds into the named directory  
in the target operational partition, alternatively (and better for  
propagation across a small family of computers needing the same upgrade)  
doing the interim clean installation onto a bootable memory stick mounted  
in the operational target machine, then copying back as before.


Any comments?

Best regards to all,

Basil






On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 10:09:08 +0200, Nio Wiklund nio.wikl...@gmail.com  
wrote:



Hi Basil,

Maybe these links to the Ubuntu Forum will help you with a method for
offline package installation

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2234724

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2234850p=13076109#post13076109

So basically,

*Carry the program packages*

- go to a computer with fast and cheap internet connection and download
the packages you want,

- carry them to your own computer and

- copy them into the correct place

- install the package you want with the option --no-download

Best regards
Nio

2014-07-23 08:51, Basil Fernie skrev:

OK, now to reveal the depths of my ignorance...

I am at last ready to update my own Lenovo's Lubuntu 12.04 LTS as
numerously updated (now at .67 or .68, I think) to 14.04 with the
initial deal-inhibitors sorted. I have a bootable DVD with the 14.04 iso
which performs adequately in live test mode and want to do the
update/upgrade from the DVD, being in the unhappy position of having to
pay for every byte that is downloaded. (And I don't have a hardwired
internet connection).
...



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Re: Question from a newbie about backup software and more

[Basil Fernie]

Another question, really, but very close... If I should rather post to a  
different link, please let me know.


I want tp backup the Win7 system partition that came with my laptop,  
reduce it a whole lot and turn about 100GB of space over to dedicated  
Linux use. GParted doesn't want to touch it currently, because in the  
process of shrinking it earlier to make space available for the present  
Lubuntu installation, something apparently went wrong with some parameter  
with the result that while I can acces everything there and still boot  
into Windows, I cannot resize it.


It has about 110GB of win7 installation and data, plus about 130GB of  
unused space. Much of the data is already backed up elswhere.


So my plan is to backup the entire bootable Win7 partition onto an  
external USB drive which already contains a backup of my Linux operations,  
try reformatting the partition as Win32, then try shrinking it by 100GB  
and re-installing the backup onto it. If successful then I'll remove some  
of the data backups and shrink it some more. If needs be, I could just  
scrub the entire disk, set up a Win32 partition of say 150GB for the Win7  
restoration, use the remainder of the disk for a new Lubuntu14.04  
installation and live happily ever after.


So I have two main problems: (i) what (Lubuntu) package should I use to  
backup the Win7 bootable partition that will allow me to restore it onto a  
smaller clean partition? There was no recovery CD when I bought the  
laptop... is it too late to make one from the recovery partition that it  
came with, and if so how?

(ii) should I plan for having to erase and repartition the entire disk?

Actually, I keep the Win7 partition merely so that every six months or so  
I can have the pleasure of catching up with all the Window upgrades (aka  
anti-virus measures) overnight; but I'm prepared to do this, and to give  
over let's say 30GB of the HDU, in order to have A working Windows boot  
partition Just In Case Wine doesn't help in a particular situation..


Any advice, even comments, would be welcome.

Basil

Pretoria, South Africa


On Wed, 14 May 2014 21:37:25 +0200, James McCoy spaceknig...@hotmail.com  
wrote:


I been using Ubuntu (now running 13.10) for some time and know it comes  
with backup software like Deja Dup already included. I just started  
learning about Lubuntu 14.04 and plan to install it in my HP 64 bit  
laptop and wonder does it also have built-in backup software or do I  
need to install it?


If I need to install backup software - does anyone have suggestions for  
backup software for Lubuntu?


Ubuntu has Ubuntu Tweak - is there similar software for Lubuntu? I  
heard about Lubuntu Tweak but do not know anything about it. What is  
it like? Will Ubuntu Tweak work on Lubuntu?


Is there any kind of listings/directories of software and/or  
applications for Lubuntu in particular? I know of websites Appnr and  
Linux App Finder - but they have apps for Ubuntu in general. I am  
looking for lightweight versions of Ubuntu apps (example - lightweight  
version of firewall Firestarter or lightweight version of video  
editing software Kino/Kdenlive).


James
Indiana / USA





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Re: Upgrade Problem: Lubuntu PPC G3 13.04 to 13.10

[Basil Fernie]

Apologies to all who wondered why I didn't pick up Mac... Too many 22-hr  
days in succession, resulting in very dry, blurry eyes.


Sorry!



On Wed, 07 May 2014 04:02:09 +0200, Basil Fernie ba...@pop.co.za wrote:



Two other possible solutions could be to try CrunchBang (very  
undemanding Debian-based distro) or LXLE which is to Lubumtu LTS more or  
less as Mint is to Ubuntu. These distros gllow easy access to the main  
Debian and Ubuntu repositories respectively, so you can pick and choose  
from the vat array of appications out there.


Alternatively, you might look into the range of Puppy linuxes.

Have fun!

Basil Fernie




Greetings; newbie here!
  Old PowerBook PPC G3, 500 Mhz, 650 Mb ram; Mac PowerBook 'Pismo'.
  Lubuntu resurrected it, but for how long?!
  I've tried to update, twice, to newer, supported version 13.10, with  
bad effects: white screen - without the ability to toggle to terminal.  
Would an upgrade not have backward support for the graphics on this old  
thing (purchased in 2000 AD), or is this not to be expected?
Could this finally be the twilight for this old machine? If so, is this  
old machine finally ready for the heap? Recycleable in any way?

Many thanx! - Michael

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Mobile broadband problem in 'Buntu 14.04?

[Basil Fernie]

Hi, although I've been using Lubuntu happily since the early days of  
12.04, have regularly updated, and have eagerly awaited 14.04, I find  
there's a showstopper in this most recent release, which may have been  
around since 13.10 as well.


To the chase: no problem merely running the Live version from DVD/iso.  
But after installing U14.04, the installed version fails as follows. I  
install a mobile broadband connection for my 3G USB modem (which I have  
been using for more than a year, and am still using, with Lubuntu 12.04)  
via  network-manager. The connection saves coorectly (I can run  
network-manager again later and edit the connection parameters, they're  
all safely there; but when I want to actually connect to the internet,  
via the little network-manager-applet icon on the taskbar, it does NOT  
ever, ever, ever present the enable mobile broadband option which it  
should in terms of the saved connection parameters proven to be on the HDU  
as mentioned above, and the fact the the 3G modem has successfully been  
through the handshaking process as evidenced by the status LED on the  
modem.


Without a functioning 3G internet connection, I cannot move on from 12.04  
to 14.04. Nor can I in good conscience provide 'buntu installations on a  
list of friends' and family's PCs who are moving off XP.


Has anyone else found this problem? It seems to me that the QA testers  
probably all use hardwired ethernet or wifi connections and perhaps  
overlooked the more backward parts of the earth...


Instead of waiting for 14.04.1 to come out, can't I replace  
network-manager=applet in its -0ubuntu?? version with a  
similar-but-not-defective one from gnome or debian? If so, how?


Thanks,

Basil Fernie


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Re: Upgrade Problem: Lubuntu PPC G3 13.04 to 13.10

[Basil Fernie]

Two other possible solutions could be to try CrunchBang (very undemanding  
Debian-based distro) or LXLE which is to Lubumtu LTS more or less as Mint  
is to Ubuntu. These distros gllow easy access to the main Debian and  
Ubuntu repositories respectively, so you can pick and choose from the vat  
array of appications out there.


Alternatively, you might look into the range of Puppy linuxes.

Have fun!

Basil Fernie




Greetings; newbie here!
  Old PowerBook PPC G3, 500 Mhz, 650 Mb ram; Mac PowerBook 'Pismo'.
  Lubuntu resurrected it, but for how long?!
  I've tried to update, twice, to newer, supported version 13.10, with  
bad effects: white screen - without the ability to toggle to terminal.  
Would an upgrade not have backward support for the graphics on this old  
thing (purchased in 2000 AD), or is this not to be expected?
Could this finally be the twilight for this old machine? If so, is this  
old machine finally ready for the heap? Recycleable in any way?

Many thanx! - Michael

FREE Stock Report
How to Invest in the $70 Billion Bottled Water Boom
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/53696317a325763055c7bst04vuc




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