[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
I've always enjoyed Sting's musical offerings, and was encouraged by his lute diversion. However, I was quite disappointed to see a close up of him in some sort of ensemble with a third fret very obviously loose and surely buzzin' like bee. I would like to have seen him take a second to slide it into place. Leonard > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
I must admit to significant eye rolling when I saw the subject line. Here we go again, rehashing who liked the CD and who didn’t (me). I also thought that we already knew the much anticipated (to the point of sycophantic fawning across the pond) Sting Effect never materialized in a big way. No big spikes in LSA or LS memberships, no “raises all boats” increase in lute CD sales by other performers, no other pop performers crossing over to Early Music. I’m happy therefore to see examples of individuals who personally benefitted. I’m also impressed by several young emerging artists who are doing Ren and Baroque lute song in a serious, highly musical and effective way. Sting may not be the future of lute song but these young singers and pluckers certainly are. So looking forward to Nic Phan’s upcoming performance in Cleveland, with “already emerged” artists Charlie Weaver and Billy Simms providing pluckage. Danny > On Sep 8, 2017, at 2:07 PM, Christopher Wilke> wrote: > > In 2010 I was playing lute at a street fair. A guy introduced himself > to me who owned a recording studio. He offered me free studio time just > so he could learn how to record it. He said he'd been fascinated by the > lute and dreamed of recording one every since he first saw Sting with > one on tv. > > I donated the product of that session to a compilation album used as a > fund raiser for my local public radio station. I went on to do a lot of > other (paid) recording at that studio, so Sting's efforts benefitted > multiple people. > > So thanks, Sting! > > Chris > > [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
Definitely, Sting's CD had a tremendous, though possibly transitory, impact. My first gig (tryout at an Italian restaurant in Cincinnati) was in 1977. "What is that thing you are playing?" said the owner, followed by "Not loud enough!" He hired a blue grass band. Next gig was a direct benefit of Sting, as I was invited in 2006 to play at Univ of Redlands, and the little music room was filled with curious students. By chance I brought an archlute and an 11 course baroque lute not knowing Sting had been playing the former. Afterwards, some students participating in a dramatic performance of "Little Shop of Horrors" across the hall in a larger auditorium entered, and one remained to listen. I got to serenade (poorly) a woman with purple and green hair (she had played the part of the alien carnivorous plant.) Made one mistake on a Molinaro piece and she was out the door, trailing green tendrils. It may take a series of celebrities' public displays to cause folks here to think the lute might be cool. On Thursday, September 7, 2017 8:05 PM, Sean Smithwrote: I received a nice gig from the effect. Sean > On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:55 PM, howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote: > > >> On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:40 PM, John Mardinly <[2]john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote: >> >> So is there any chance that this will result in archlute themed backpacks, pencil cases, blankets, pillows or other Disney themed merchandise? > > It's been 11 years (!) since Sting tackled (as it were) Dowland in Songs from the Labyrinth. Some of us were speculating about a potential "Sting effect" raising the lute's profile in the world. > > Did anyone notice one? > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 2. mailto:john.mardi...@asu.edu 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
In 2010 I was playing lute at a street fair. A guy introduced himself to me who owned a recording studio. He offered me free studio time just so he could learn how to record it. He said he'd been fascinated by the lute and dreamed of recording one every since he first saw Sting with one on tv. I donated the product of that session to a compilation album used as a fund raiser for my local public radio station. I went on to do a lot of other (paid) recording at that studio, so Sting's efforts benefitted multiple people. So thanks, Sting! Chris [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, September 8, 2017, 9:38 AM, Ron Andricowrote: >I'm not sure if you're describing a continuing profile increase (in which I'm curious what specifically you've observed) or a brief "Sting Blip". I guess I of was offering observations rather than the results of independent research - I know how persons of your professional persuasion love to label such observations "unsupported statements." Perhaps the numbers should be crunched by some enterprising graduate student with time on his or her hands. Nevertheless, since people are even still discussing the "Sting effect," I think that indicates there was an increased awareness of the lute and its music as a result of his recording of Dowland's music. I believe it was a sustained effect based on personal observations. For instance, one of our fans does live sound for major pop acts, and loves our music because our shows offer intimate, real, honest music rather than lip-synced tripe you find at all major pop concerts - he knows because he slides the faders. He found us as a result of an increased awareness of the lute after Sting's recording was released. RA __ From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of howard posner <[4]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 1:11 AM To: lutelist Net Subject: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall) To get on or off this list see list information at [1][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html [2]Lute Mail list technical information www.cs.dartmouth.edu How do I get on the lute mail list? To get on the mail list, send email with a Subject: of "subscribe" to [6]lute-requ...@cs.dartmouth.edu and your name will be added to ... -- References 1. [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 2. [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://yho.com/footer0 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. mailto:lute-requ...@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Sorry to bother y’all with that. Ignore that and this. Sean > On Sep 8, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Sean Smithwrote: > > 0 > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
>> David, I see you are here too. Just want to say I love your Terzi Album with Michiel Niessen. It is one of my favorite I dare say prog rock albums. << Talking about expensive hobbies, don't get me started on making CDs. ;-) But thanks for the kind words, I'll pass them on to Michiel Niessen. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
Hey Ron, David, it's not only early music... if you're into contemporary music, it's the same. For early music I have one advice: go practice in the park, if possible. I do, and though I am but an amateur looking for some good time with other musicians, there's feedback everytime. Might boost interest, if you show yourself more. Remember, this is early music: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Fiesta_campestre.jpg/1280px-Fiesta_campestre.jpg For me, people crammed into a room too big for the music (in Hamburg, Germany, one EM series is now held the big ole symphony hall, I don't know why they changed the location... imagine how much pressure a dozen people make in row 16 or 25). and no room to dance, is not what makes Early Music fun. I'd rather go to a Renaissance fair or "Mittelaltermarkt" (Germans know) and see cringeworthy performances that being pinned to a spot, not being allowed to even cough. That's why I organized concerts in clubs and pubs, featuring early music. Getting reactions like these while playing is priceless, unfortunately all the former students are now in the early music gig mill. I still miss those days. Sometimes it is the location, not the people, that makes a difference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qmdPBZKQAs David, I see you are here too. Just want to say I love your Terzi Album with Michiel Niessen. It is one of my favorite I dare say prog rock albums. ;-) Am 08.09.2017 um 14:30 schrieb Ron Andrico: Actually, David, this is a reality and no joke to those of us who are serious about performing early music. Perhaps the public's taste for early music - even the baroque fad - is over, which is sad but understandable. But non-pop star musicians who perform live concerts are dropping like flies in the current worldwide economic environment. The net result for early music performers is that the scene is increasingly dominated by players who participate because they can afford to do so, creating an unfortunate dynamic. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
Hahah!!! Serves me right for typing with my thumbs. Although a loving room sounds pretty good. Don't you think? [kraar+logo.png] Lynda Kraar, President Lynda Kraar & Associates U.S. Cell: 551-486-3772 Google Voice: [1]985-205-9632 (985-20-LYNDA) Skype: lyndakraar On Sep 8, 2017, at 8:19 AM, G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: I'd also want to have a loving room! :D On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Lynda Kraar <[1][3]guitargirl4scrab...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: My daughter fell in love with the Sting CD, and we would sit in the loving room -- References 1. [4]mailto:guitargirl4scrab...@cs.dartmouth.edu To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. tel:985-205-9632 2. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 3. mailto:guitargirl4scrab...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:guitargirl4scrab...@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
I'd also want to have a loving room! :D On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Lynda Kraar <[1]guitargirl4scrab...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: My daughter fell in love with the Sting CD, and we would sit in the loving room -- References 1. mailto:guitargirl4scrab...@cs.dartmouth.edu To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
The standard joke in the early music orchestras I play in. When asked what we would do if we would win the lottery: 'Continue gigging till we run out of money.' *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On 8 September 2017 at 13:58, Lynda Kraar <[3]guitargirl4scrab...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: My daughter fell in love with the Sting CD, and we would sit in the loving room where I'd have to reproduce the lute parts from tab while she'd sing. The highlight was meeting Sting at a concert at Jazz at Lincoln Center in NYC (about seven years ago) where we sat four seats away from Sting. During intermission she asked Sting if he was going to do a follow-up CD, and he told her that he would love to keep going with the project, but it was too expensive. Related - when asked why he didn't cut money losers like Vladimir Horowitz and others from the CBS roster, record industry icon Clive Davis said, you don't keep your classical label going because it's lucrative: You keep it because it's a treasure. [kraar+logo.png] Lynda Kraar On Sep 8, 2017, at 5:59 AM, David van Ooijen <[1][4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: Love that, Mathias. David *** David van Ooijen [1][2][5]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2][3][6]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On 8 September 2017 at 11:53, Mathias Rà �sel <[3][4][7]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote: My daughter was eight when his CD was released. I used it as a lullaby for her. The next morning she asked about it, and I said, well, you can sing the songs you like best yourself. Children of that age can learn rapidly. Can She Excuse, and Now, Oh Now, and Come Again were her first three Dowland songs, and I was as proud of her as a father can be. And all of it was Sting's merit! Mathias -Ursprà �ngliche Nachricht- Von: [4][5][8]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[5][6]lute-arc@cs.dartmouth. edu] Im Auftrag von Jurgen Frenz Gesendet: Freitag, 8. September 2017 09:23 An: Tristan von Neumann Cc: lutelist Net Betreff: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall) In my opinion, only a handful of extremists claiming to defend the purity of the music would belittle Sting's recording. Even some of the terrifying recordings of lute music by some real bad players on YouTube have a least one positive impact: On the player him/herself. The 'knowing' public smiles at awful performances and moves on (the folks I know do), in no way even these people don't bring down lute music or Mr. Dowland or anybody else. If there's only one player (and apparently there's one on this list) who was moved by Sting's recording to pick up the lute then there is a positive impact on the public. And as far as the purity of any early music is concerned: Let's listen to some identical Dowland pieces recorded recently say by O'Dette and Hopkinson. They sound complete different and I think it is great that they do. With the distance of over 400 years and the lost knowledge of the time we discover and bring out things in the music that we find remarkable today - if Mr. Dowland or Francesco or whoever had that in mind is nothing to be concerned about. We live the music now and it is the best service that we can do toearly music - which is keeping it alive. Just my opinion as said in the beginning. Best Jurgen "You are not a drop in the ocean. You are the entire ocean in a drop" Rumi Original Message Subject: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall) Local Time: 8 September 2017 9:44 AM UTC Time: 8 September 2017 02:44 From: [6][7][9]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de To: lutelist Net <[7][8][10]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sting raised at least my interest in the Lute. Mainly because of Karamazov, but still. It also led to
[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
My daughter fell in love with the Sting CD, and we would sit in the loving room where I'd have to reproduce the lute parts from tab while she'd sing. The highlight was meeting Sting at a concert at Jazz at Lincoln Center in NYC (about seven years ago) where we sat four seats away from Sting. During intermission she asked Sting if he was going to do a follow-up CD, and he told her that he would love to keep going with the project, but it was too expensive. Related - when asked why he didn't cut money losers like Vladimir Horowitz and others from the CBS roster, record industry icon Clive Davis said, you don't keep your classical label going because it's lucrative: You keep it because it's a treasure. [kraar+logo.png] Lynda Kraar On Sep 8, 2017, at 5:59 AM, David van Ooijen <[1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: Love that, Mathias. David *** David van Ooijen [1][2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2][3]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On 8 September 2017 at 11:53, Mathias Rà �sel <[3][4]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote: My daughter was eight when his CD was released. I used it as a lullaby for her. The next morning she asked about it, and I said, well, you can sing the songs you like best yourself. Children of that age can learn rapidly. Can She Excuse, and Now, Oh Now, and Come Again were her first three Dowland songs, and I was as proud of her as a father can be. And all of it was Sting's merit! Mathias -Ursprà �ngliche Nachricht- Von: [4][5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[5][6]lute-arc@cs.dartmouth. edu] Im Auftrag von Jurgen Frenz Gesendet: Freitag, 8. September 2017 09:23 An: Tristan von Neumann Cc: lutelist Net Betreff: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall) In my opinion, only a handful of extremists claiming to defend the purity of the music would belittle Sting's recording. Even some of the terrifying recordings of lute music by some real bad players on YouTube have a least one positive impact: On the player him/herself. The 'knowing' public smiles at awful performances and moves on (the folks I know do), in no way even these people don't bring down lute music or Mr. Dowland or anybody else. If there's only one player (and apparently there's one on this list) who was moved by Sting's recording to pick up the lute then there is a positive impact on the public. And as far as the purity of any early music is concerned: Let's listen to some identical Dowland pieces recorded recently say by O'Dette and Hopkinson. They sound complete different and I think it is great that they do. With the distance of over 400 years and the lost knowledge of the time we discover and bring out things in the music that we find remarkable today - if Mr. Dowland or Francesco or whoever had that in mind is nothing to be concerned about. We live the music now and it is the best service that we can do to early music - which is keeping it alive. Just my opinion as said in the beginning. Best Jurgen "You are not a drop in the ocean. You are the entire ocean in a drop" Rumi Original Message Subject: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall) Local Time: 8 September 2017 9:44 AM UTC Time: 8 September 2017 02:44 From: [6][7]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de To: lutelist Net <[7][8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sting raised at least my interest in the Lute. Mainly because of Karamazov, but still. It also led to "Singer-Songwriter Time Travels", a series of concerts where contemporary singer-songwriters were covering old Lute songs or similar Early Music. This worked surprisingly well. Am 07.09.2017 um 23:26 schrieb G. C.: Harsh words, I liked Sting"s effort. Karamazow also made a fine input. On the whole, lute-propagating I think. G. On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:18 PM, LSA Lute Rental Program <[1][8][9]lsaluteren...@gmail.com> wrote: no effect noticed. Perhaps that is because Sting did neither Dowland nor the lute any service? Not an "artist" I would have chosen to sing Dowland...or anything else for that matter. To get on or off this list see list information at [9][10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1.
[LUTE] Re: In search of some Bach / Weiss old academic articles in German
Dear Arthur, dear Stephan (and all other lute friends who emailed me), thank you for your really precious indications! It looks I was a bit silly (or maybe more than a bit), but you helped me an awful LOT. 1. I just ordered a copy of "Bachiana et alia musicologica" for about 23 Euro including postageover Abebooks (I didn't think about this one, thank you again Arthur!); 2. I had tried JSTOR before and for obscure reasons hadn't found the journal "Die Musikforschung" (Baerenreiter). I just tried again and - yes! It is there :-) So using my free JSTOR account I was able to read the article on line (you can have three items on your online "shelf" for free), but I'll probably buy a copy to download (it's 8 EUR and it's definitely worth it). I hadn't contacted the Library of the Conservatorio fo Pavia, as in Italy the Conservatori are Universities since the latest reorganization only, and in many cases they are in an integration process yet. I did prefer to do online searches... (Pavia is also a 4 hours drive from where I live, so I tend to go there for exams and concerts). I could have asked my "significant other", who is a University associate Professor in Trieste. She would have had of course access to inter-university books borrows, but I simply didn't think about that (simple) solution (no comment on this...) Anyway, it's all nearly solved now :-) Thank you again for your very kind and friendly help! Luca Il 2017-09-08 02:15 Arthur Ness ha scritto: > There also are two copies of the Durr Festschrift on sale at > abebooks.de for 13 and 15 Euros. > > Arthur Ness > arthurjn...@verizon.net > > -Original Message- > From: Arthur Ness> To: luca ; lute ; > stephan.olbertz > Sent: Thu, Sep 7, 2017 4:30 pm > Subject: Re: [LUTE] In search of some Bach / Weiss old academic > articles in German > Dear Luca, > It would be easier, as far as I know, to locate the actual books in an > Italian library. I don't know where you live. Use the KarlsruheKVK, > and Italy in the third column. You can access the Italian Union > Catalogue of "all" books and serials (periodicals) in Italian > libraries. > [1]http://services.bibliothek.kit.edu/kvk_en.html ; > Under Italy use "Union Cat. serials" for Musikforschung. At bottom > click on "All libraries" and you'll get a list of some 20-30 Italian > libraries that have the periodical. You could also use JSTOR if your > library subscribes. STOR also leads you to a digital copy of the > periodical article on Die Musikforschung. > []^[DEL: :DEL] > As for the Durr Festschrift under Italy use "Union Cat." author: Rehm > and title: Festschrift Durr and you'll see many libraries in Italy with > the book. > And if these libaries are not close to you, inquire to receive the > book/article on Inter-Library Loan as Stephan suggests. > Arthur Ness > [2]arthurjn...@verizon.net > -Original Message- > From: Luca Manassero <[3]l...@manassero.net> > To: lute <[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Thu, Sep 7, 2017 1:44 pm > Subject: [LUTE] In search of some Bach / Weiss old academic articles in > German > Dear Lute list, > since one year now I'm a student again (Conservatorio of Pavia, Italy - > Master in Lute and Theorbo) and am collecting together some literature > for my potential thesis work. > Since a few weeks I'm trying to have access to three very interesting > contributions printed in different German academic journals. > These are: > Schulze, Hans-Joachim, "Wer intavolierte Johann Sebastian Bachs > Lautenkompositionen?" Berichte und Kleine BeitrÃÆäge. - Musikforschung > (Baerenreiter), 19 1 Jan-Mar 1966 pp. 32-39 > Schulze, Hans-Joachim, "Ein unbekannter Brief von Silvius Leopold > Weiss." Berichte und Kleine BeitrÃÆäge. Musikforschung (Baerenreiter) > 21 2 Apr-Jun 1968 pp. 203-204 > Schulze, Hans-Joachim, "'Monsieur Schouster' - ein vergessener > Zeitgenosse Johann Sebastian Bachs." in "Bachiana et alia musicologica. > Festschrift Alfred DÃÆürr zum 65. Geburtstag" edited by Wolfgang Rehm, > 1983, pp. 243-250 Kassel, Baerenreiter > I tried to reach these contributions through the Digital Library of the > German Universities, but not having any account on it (nor any chance > to > get one) I was simply locked out. > There is an extensive documentation in German at this URL: > [5]https://www.hfm-weimar.de/fileadmin/Musikwissenschaft/Musikwissensch > aft/Onlinerecherche_MuWi.pdf > If anybody out there has access to these three articles in PDF format; > I'd be REALLY enormously grateful if s/he could share a copy with me. > Thank you, > Luca > -- > To get on or off this list see list information at > [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. http://services.bibliothek.kit.edu/kvk_en.htmlà > 2. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net > 3. mailto:l...@manassero.net > 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > 5. >
[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
Love that, Mathias. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On 8 September 2017 at 11:53, Mathias Rösel <[3]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote: My daughter was eight when his CD was released. I used it as a lullaby for her. The next morning she asked about it, and I said, well, you can sing the songs you like best yourself. Children of that age can learn rapidly. Can She Excuse, and Now, Oh Now, and Come Again were her first three Dowland songs, and I was as proud of her as a father can be. And all of it was Sting's merit! Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[5]lute-arc@cs.dartmouth. edu] Im Auftrag von Jurgen Frenz Gesendet: Freitag, 8. September 2017 09:23 An: Tristan von Neumann Cc: lutelist Net Betreff: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall) In my opinion, only a handful of extremists claiming to defend the purity of the music would belittle Sting's recording. Even some of the terrifying recordings of lute music by some real bad players on YouTube have a least one positive impact: On the player him/herself. The 'knowing' public smiles at awful performances and moves on (the folks I know do), in no way even these people don't bring down lute music or Mr. Dowland or anybody else. If there's only one player (and apparently there's one on this list) who was moved by Sting's recording to pick up the lute then there is a positive impact on the public. And as far as the purity of any early music is concerned: Let's listen to some identical Dowland pieces recorded recently say by O'Dette and Hopkinson. They sound complete different and I think it is great that they do. With the distance of over 400 years and the lost knowledge of the time we discover and bring out things in the music that we find remarkable today - if Mr. Dowland or Francesco or whoever had that in mind is nothing to be concerned about. We live the music now and it is the best service that we can do to early music - which is keeping it alive. Just my opinion as said in the beginning. Best Jurgen "You are not a drop in the ocean. You are the entire ocean in a drop" Rumi Original Message Subject: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall) Local Time: 8 September 2017 9:44 AM UTC Time: 8 September 2017 02:44 From: [6]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de To: lutelist Net <[7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sting raised at least my interest in the Lute. Mainly because of Karamazov, but still. It also led to "Singer-Songwriter Time Travels", a series of concerts where contemporary singer-songwriters were covering old Lute songs or similar Early Music. This worked surprisingly well. Am 07.09.2017 um 23:26 schrieb G. C.: > Harsh words, I liked Sting"s effort. Karamazow also made a fine input. > On the whole, lute-propagating I think. > G. > > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:18 PM, LSA Lute Rental Program > <[1][8]lsaluteren...@gmail.com> wrote: > > no effect noticed. Perhaps that is because Sting did neither > Dowland > nor the lute any service? Not an "artist" I would have chosen > to sing > Dowland...or anything else for that matter. To get on or off this list see list information at [9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 4. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 7. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 8. mailto:lsaluteren...@gmail.com 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
My daughter was eight when his CD was released. I used it as a lullaby for her. The next morning she asked about it, and I said, well, you can sing the songs you like best yourself. Children of that age can learn rapidly. Can She Excuse, and Now, Oh Now, and Come Again were her first three Dowland songs, and I was as proud of her as a father can be. And all of it was Sting's merit! Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Jurgen Frenz Gesendet: Freitag, 8. September 2017 09:23 An: Tristan von Neumann Cc: lutelist Net Betreff: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall) In my opinion, only a handful of extremists claiming to defend the purity of the music would belittle Sting's recording. Even some of the terrifying recordings of lute music by some real bad players on YouTube have a least one positive impact: On the player him/herself. The 'knowing' public smiles at awful performances and moves on (the folks I know do), in no way even these people don't bring down lute music or Mr. Dowland or anybody else. If there's only one player (and apparently there's one on this list) who was moved by Sting's recording to pick up the lute then there is a positive impact on the public. And as far as the purity of any early music is concerned: Let's listen to some identical Dowland pieces recorded recently say by O'Dette and Hopkinson. They sound complete different and I think it is great that they do. With the distance of over 400 years and the lost knowledge of the time we discover and bring out things in the music that we find remarkable today - if Mr. Dowland or Francesco or whoever had that in mind is nothing to be concerned about. We live the music now and it is the best service that we can do to early music - which is keeping it alive. Just my opinion as said in the beginning. Best Jurgen "You are not a drop in the ocean. You are the entire ocean in a drop" Rumi Original Message Subject: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall) Local Time: 8 September 2017 9:44 AM UTC Time: 8 September 2017 02:44 From: tristanvonneum...@gmx.de To: lutelist NetSting raised at least my interest in the Lute. Mainly because of Karamazov, but still. It also led to "Singer-Songwriter Time Travels", a series of concerts where contemporary singer-songwriters were covering old Lute songs or similar Early Music. This worked surprisingly well. Am 07.09.2017 um 23:26 schrieb G. C.: > Harsh words, I liked Sting"s effort. Karamazow also made a fine input. > On the whole, lute-propagating I think. > G. > > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:18 PM, LSA Lute Rental Program > <[1]lsaluteren...@gmail.com> wrote: > > no effect noticed. Perhaps that is because Sting did neither > Dowland > nor the lute any service? Not an "artist" I would have chosen > to sing > Dowland...or anything else for that matter. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
In my opinion, only a handful of extremists claiming to defend the purity of the music would belittle Sting's recording. Even some of the terrifying recordings of lute music by some real bad players on YouTube have a least one positive impact: On the player him/herself. The 'knowing' public smiles at awful performances and moves on (the folks I know do), in no way even these people don't bring down lute music or Mr. Dowland or anybody else. If there's only one player (and apparently there's one on this list) who was moved by Sting's recording to pick up the lute then there is a positive impact on the public. And as far as the purity of any early music is concerned: Let's listen to some identical Dowland pieces recorded recently say by O'Dette and Hopkinson. They sound complete different and I think it is great that they do. With the distance of over 400 years and the lost knowledge of the time we discover and bring out things in the music that we find remarkable today - if Mr. Dowland or Francesco or whoever had that in mind is nothing to be concerned about. We live the music now and it is the best service that we can do to early music - which is keeping it alive. Just my opinion as said in the beginning. Best Jurgen "You are not a drop in the ocean. You are the entire ocean in a drop" Rumi Original Message Subject: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall) Local Time: 8 September 2017 9:44 AM UTC Time: 8 September 2017 02:44 From: tristanvonneum...@gmx.de To: lutelist NetSting raised at least my interest in the Lute. Mainly because of Karamazov, but still. It also led to "Singer-Songwriter Time Travels", a series of concerts where contemporary singer-songwriters were covering old Lute songs or similar Early Music. This worked surprisingly well. Am 07.09.2017 um 23:26 schrieb G. C.: > Harsh words, I liked Sting"s effort. Karamazow also made a fine input. > On the whole, lute-propagating I think. > G. > > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:18 PM, LSA Lute Rental Program > <[1]lsaluteren...@gmail.com> wrote: > > no effect noticed. Perhaps that is because Sting did neither > Dowland > nor the lute any service? Not an "artist" I would have chosen > to sing > Dowland...or anything else for that matter. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
Agree wholeheartedly, Ron! RT Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2017, at 8:48 PM, Ron Andricowrote: > > Yes, Howard. I have noticed an increase in the profile of lute music > generally and Dowland's music in particular since Sting released his > recording. Of course, we run in different circles than most cloistered > lute fanciers, since we perform and not exclusively to early music > audiences. > > When Sting's CD was more current and visible (audible?), there was > quite a bit of chatter out in the music world about his Dowland > effort. We observed that his stalwart fans mostly thought the lute > diversion was tiresome, and early music nerds thought Sting was > tiresome. > > Personally, I thought Sting did the lute world a great service in > raising the profile of the instrument and the music, however briefly. > And whether I like his singing or not, I think it was about darn time > someone stood up and pointed out that classically-trained voices > schooled in Victorian era technique, pronunciation, and performance > sensibility were not really a good fit for the lute song repertory. > > RA > __ > > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf > of howard posner > Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 8:55 PM > To: lutelist Net > Subject: [LUTE] "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall) > >> On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:40 PM, John Mardinly > wrote: >> >> So is there any chance that this will result in archlute themed > backpacks, pencil cases, blankets, pillows or other Disney themed > merchandise? > It’s been 11 years (!) since Sting tackled (as it were) Dowland in > Songs from the Labyrinth. Some of us were speculating about a > potential “Sting effect” raising the lute’s profile in the world. > Did anyone notice one? > To get on or off this list see list information at > [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > [2]Lute Mail list technical information > www.cs.dartmouth.edu > How do I get on the lute mail list? To get on the mail list, send email > with a Subject: of "subscribe" to lute-requ...@cs.dartmouth.edu and > your name will be added to ... > > -- > > References > > 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)
There is a definite increase in lute awareness due to the Sting/Karamazov effect. Jim Jarmusch and his band Squrrl started collaborating with the lutenist Josef van Wissem, and that resulted in the soundtrack of Jim's penultimate film. And that resulted in a quite of bit of a solo career on the indie rock circuit for Van Wissem! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 7, 2017, at 9:11 PM, howard posnerwrote: >> On Sep 7, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Ron Andrico wrote: >> >> I have noticed an increase in the profile of lute music >> generally and Dowland's music in particular since Sting released his >> recording. Of course, we run in different circles than most cloistered >> lute fanciers, since we perform and not exclusively to early music >> audiences. >> >> When Sting's CD was more current and visible (audible?), there was >> quite a bit of chatter out in the music world about his Dowland >> effort. We observed that his stalwart fans mostly thought the lute >> diversion was tiresome, and early music nerds thought Sting was >> tiresome. >> >> Personally, I thought Sting did the lute world a great service in >> raising the profile of the instrument and the music, however briefly. > > I’m not sure if you’re describing a continuing profile increase (in which I’m > curious what specifically you’ve observed) or a brief “Sting Blip”. > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html