[LUTE] Re: Milan's name
A couple more: Juan Timoneda, Rosas de romances (1573): Don Luys Milan Bartolomé de Villalba y Estaña, El pelegrino curioso ... (1577): Don Luys Milan On Sunday, 5 January 2020, 19:24:07 GMT-6, Antonio Corona wrote: Dear friends, Luis Milán, Libro de motes (1535): Don Luys Milan Luis Milán, El Maestro (1535-36): Luys Milan Luis Milán, El cortesano (1561): Don Luys Milan Juan Fernández de Heredia, Las obras ... (1562): Don Luys Milan Gaspar Gil Polo, Diana enamorada (1564): Don Luys Milan Best wishes, Antonio On Sunday, 5 January 2020, 14:26:06 GMT-6, Joachim Lüdtke wrote: In El Cortesano it's Don Luys Milan … I am not a home for the next few days, but if anyone has the Facsimile of El Maestro published by the Sociedad de la Vihuela a few years ago, he or she could look into the commentary and see if there is any evidence mentioned for Milán, de Milán or similar. Best Joachim To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Milan's name
On Jan 5, 2020, at 5:19 PM, Antonio Corona wrote: > Luis Milán, Libro de motes (1535): Don Luys Milan > > Luis Milán, El Maestro (1535-36): Luys Milan > > Luis Milán, El cortesano (1561): Don Luys Milan > > Juan Fernández de Heredia, Las obras ... (1562): Don Luys Milan > > Gaspar Gil Polo, Diana enamorada (1564): Don Luys Milan So we can be fairly sure he wasn’t trying to escape creditors. A couple of points relating to the underlying question: Even if Milan’s family name came from the Italian city, it doesn’t mean he he had any practical ties to Italy. I speak as someone whose name means “from Posen” (or Poznan, when, as now, the city is within Poland), and I couldn’t tell you the first thing about the place (or maybe I just did, and I couldn’t tell the second thing about it), and I think many of you would find my ignorance about all things Polish truly impressive if I chose to display it. For all I know my ancestors were there as recently as 1900. And wouldn’t a Milanese refer to the city as Milano? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Dlugoraj
Well It has been online the whole time on gerbode.net, transcription into French tabs included... :) On 05.01.20 19:09, Rainer wrote: The digital facsimile of so-called Dlugoraj (II.6.15) lute book was announced ages ago. Now a miracle has happened: https://sachsen.digital/werkansicht/dlf/363424/1/ Rainer PS: For the few who don't speak German: Use the third download option To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Milan's name
Dear friends, Luis Milán, Libro de motes (1535): Don Luys Milan Luis Milán, El Maestro (1535-36): Luys Milan Luis Milán, El cortesano (1561): Don Luys Milan Juan Fernández de Heredia, Las obras ... (1562): Don Luys Milan Gaspar Gil Polo, Diana enamorada (1564): Don Luys Milan Best wishes, Antonio On Sunday, 5 January 2020, 14:26:06 GMT-6, Joachim Lüdtke wrote: In El Cortesano it's Don Luys Milan … I am not a home for the next few days, but if anyone has the Facsimile of El Maestro published by the Sociedad de la Vihuela a few years ago, he or she could look into the commentary and see if there is any evidence mentioned for Milán, de Milán or similar. Best Joachim To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Android OS software
people don't know how to optimize them. :) On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 12:22 AM G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, pdf reigns. It's solid. It has drawbacks, like... -- References 1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Android OS software
Yes, pdf reigns. It's solid. It has drawbacks, like... -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Android OS software
Thanks, Danny. It appears that PDFs are the new digital printed lingua franca, however temporary that may be. s On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 4:04 PM DANIEL SHOSKES <[1]dshos...@me.com> wrote: I'm reading from pdfs. The MobileSheetsPro allows annotations on the pdf and gives you the chance to save them. There is an eraser feature to remove individual ones after if you want or you can revert to the original file. It's an E reader so the device also works great with ebooks. Have a 17.5 hr flight coming up and my wife has already threatened to use it herself for the duration. Danny > On Jan 5, 2020, at 4:55 PM, Sean Smith <[2]lutesm...@gmail.com> wrote: > >Interesting thread. >I also bought a tablet (Surface 5) for tablet/tab/music stand. I chose >the Windows environment so I could read and edit Fronimo and have it >all contained in one box. Unfortunately I can't turn pages in Fronimo's >Print Preview with my home-made-foot-page turner so will invest in a >proper foot control. Realistically I don't expect that to change but >would appreciate a better thought out design than what I came up with >and hope for the best.[rant: why are they so pricey? They're just >wireless keyboards w/ two big buttons! :end rant] >But I can't add notes with a stylus until I print to PDF. Then those >notes are erased if I edit the original and "reprint" --but that's not >unlike a hard copy. >Danny, others using the Android: Are you reading from PDFs on your >tablets? >Sean > >On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 12:40 PM tribioli <[1][3]tribi...@arcetri.astro.it> >wrote: > > I've got a reconditioned Surface 4 that I use with MobileSheet. I > use > it for singing so I wanted a light emitting device to cope with > dark > environments too, like some churches. E-ink devices are probably > better > when there is enough light > Francesco > Messaggio originale > Da: David van Ooijen <[2][4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> > Data: 05/01/20 21:31 (GMT+01:00) > A: lutelist Net <[3][5]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: Android OS software >Thanks Dan, I saw that video too. Also saw the Gvido (double > A4). > Too >bad that one doesn't survive in the real life reviews. There's > an >Italian company that makes A4 size e-ink readers you can > connect > into >double A4. Also tempting. >Let us know your experienceswith the Max3 >David >*** >David van Ooijen >[1][4][6]davidvanooi...@gmail.com >[2][5][7]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com >*** >On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 21:17, Daniel Shoskes > <[3][6][8]kidneykut...@gmail.com> >wrote: >I ended up getting the Boox Max 3 > > [4][7][9]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6wgf4WWS3o=emb_log o >Tutorial by a pianist for the Boox Max 2 >[5][8][10]https://youtu.be/U2jBA3lVXWI >Happy to send you photos of how music looks on it (both > computer >generated and scanned MS) if you are interested.Very clear. > Surface >actually feels like paper. This version works with finger > touch and >with a stylus. Pairs with bluetooth pedals for page turns. >Danny >On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:01 PM, David van Ooijen ><[6][9][11]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Dan > Can we ask what device you have? I've been looking at e-ink > sheet >music > readers lately, but I couldn't make my mind up. > David > *** > David van Ooijen > [1][7][10][12]davidvanooi...@gmail.com > [2][8][11][13]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com > *** > On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 20:56, Daniel Shoskes ><[3][9][12][14]kidneykut...@gmail.com> > wrote: > This is the year I've committed to reducing paper > clutter >
[LUTE] Re: Android OS software
Daniel; Thanks! That video by YouTubeConservatory was excellent. This is a real eye-opener for someone who might have been considering an iPad. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. On Jan 5, 2020, at 1:17 PM, Daniel Shoskes <[1]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote: I ended up getting the Boox Max 3 [1][2]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtub e.com_watch-3Fv-3DQ6wgf4WWS3o-26feature-3Demb-5Flogo=DwIBAg=l45AxH- kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6m pKZONBRt90E=fk0VoFypnSZlj5YANxucaveVvMlfy3lFfciB7YOch-M=uRyxCSMenZo H52j1UcQbRbvW0y0zpFiqZtjRrAWSfbA= Tutorial by a pianist for the Boox Max 2 [2][3]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_U2j BA3lVXWI=DwIBAg=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8 OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=fk0VoFypnSZlj5YANxucaveVvMlfy3 lFfciB7YOch-M=Tp71pf2cMwQis6G1YvEaw-sId1DwVsmy3uVlvnASiM4= Happy to send you photos of how music looks on it (both computer generated and scanned MS) if you are interested.Very clear. Surface actually feels like paper. This version works with finger touch and with a stylus. Pairs with bluetooth pedals for page turns. Danny On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:01 PM, David van Ooijen <[3][4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Dan Can we ask what device you have? I've been looking at e-ink sheet music readers lately, but I couldn't make my mind up. David *** David van Ooijen [1][4][5]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2][5][6]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__david vanooijen.wordpress.com=DwIBAg=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInu Ky6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=fk0VoFypnSZlj5Y ANxucaveVvMlfy3lFfciB7YOch-M=YJNBiUBJKKqG1Yf6XNCD1IV2t0rxKJhR8_YRCifk -1E= *** On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 20:56, Daniel Shoskes <[3][6][7]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote: This is the year I've committed to reducing paper clutter throughout the house so I've finally bought a dedicated tablet for music storage and performance. I got a 13.3 inch E ink display which is friendly to my aging eyes and can fit a lot of music on 1 page. It is however the first device I have owned that runs Android (9.0) rather than iOS. Settled on MobileSheetsPro for sheet music management which has a dedicated E ink version (but no Mac or iOS equivalent). Would be interested to hear from anyone who uses Android software for lute music purposes on a tablet. Any valuable programs out there? Thanks Danny To get on or off this list see list information at [4][7][8]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www. cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DwIBAg=l45AxH-kUV29 SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZON BRt90E=fk0VoFypnSZlj5YANxucaveVvMlfy3lFfciB7YOch-M=MVb2pIS-1tmD1SFn YpLKJzDctfUcb35_bNuWR2dzbcI= -- References 1. [8][9]mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. [9][10]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.davidvan ooijen.nl_=DwIBAg=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLP J8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=fk0VoFypnSZlj5YANxucaveVvMlf y3lFfciB7YOch-M=N5-AHQvEmpzP3mv8kNFZf-PgKOfSfvr4rROCjg-Bn7k= 3. [10][11]mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com 4. [11][12]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dart mouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DwIBAg=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9 vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E& m=fk0VoFypnSZlj5YANxucaveVvMlfy3lFfciB7YOch-M=MVb2pIS-1tmD1SFnYpLKJzD ctfUcb35_bNuWR2dzbcI= -- References 1. [13]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.co m_watch-3Fv-3DQ6wgf4WWS3o-26feature-3Demb-5Flogo=DwIBAg=l45AxH-kUV2 9SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZO NBRt90E=fk0VoFypnSZlj5YANxucaveVvMlfy3lFfciB7YOch-M=uRyxCSMenZoH52j 1UcQbRbvW0y0zpFiqZtjRrAWSfbA= 2. [14]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_U2jBA 3lVXWI=DwIBAg=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE -c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=fk0VoFypnSZlj5YANxucaveVvMlfy3lF fciB7YOch-M=Tp71pf2cMwQis6G1YvEaw-sId1DwVsmy3uVlvnASiM4= 3. [15]mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. [16]mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. [17]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__davidvanooijen .wordpress.com_=DwIBAg=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ& r=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=fk0VoFypnSZlj5YANxucave VvMlfy3lFfciB7YOch-M=9NO9q0mgp4akz1pAjW67_SWhWg-3RzE8lYHE4NQPeGs= 6.
[LUTE] Re: Android OS software
I use annotations to finger music, make changes or corrections to the music. If the score is one that I have created using Sibelius, Fronimo, Finale, or Fandango, I can then do the changes I noted in forScore in the original, update the score in forScore, and then verify that I got all the changes (erasing the annotaitons as I go). Since I do a lot of editing in score editors I find the ability for the score viewer to allow updates which preserve the annotations very helpful. Anyway, just my two cents worth. David -Original Message- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu On Behalf Of Sean Smith Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 2:22 PM To: lute Subject: [LUTE] Re: Android OS software Thanks, I'm not sure I want it to save every annotation, especially depending on how much I change the music text ... so I'm not sure how much of this feature I want or need. But it's useful to know how much is available to the user in this or that format. s On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 2:09 PM David Smith <[1]d...@dolcesfogato.com> wrote: The nice thing about forScore on an iPad is that the annotations are saved when a PDF is updated. Most PDF readers do not have this support. Unfortunately it only runs on an iPad. I would hope that MobileSheets does nothing like this as well. David -Original Message- From: [2]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> On Behalf Of Sean Smith Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 1:56 PM To: lute <[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Android OS software Interesting thread. I also bought a tablet (Surface 5) for tablet/tab/music stand. I chose the Windows environment so I could read and edit Fronimo and have it all contained in one box. Unfortunately I can't turn pages in Fronimo's Print Preview with my home-made-foot-page turner so will invest in a proper foot control. Realistically I don't expect that to change but would appreciate a better thought out design than what I came up with and hope for the best.[rant: why are they so pricey? They're just wireless keyboards w/ two big buttons! :end rant] But I can't add notes with a stylus until I print to PDF. Then those notes are erased if I edit the original and "reprint" --but that's not unlike a hard copy. Danny, others using the Android: Are you reading from PDFs on your tablets? Sean On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 12:40 PM tribioli <[1][5]tribi...@arcetri.astro.it> wrote: I've got a reconditioned Surface 4 that I use with MobileSheet. I use it for singing so I wanted a light emitting device to cope with dark environments too, like some churches. E-ink devices are probably better when there is enough light Francesco Messaggio originale Da: David van Ooijen <[2][6]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> Data: 05/01/20 21:31 (GMT+01:00) A: lutelist Net <[3][7]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: Android OS software Thanks Dan, I saw that video too. Also saw the Gvido (double A4). Too bad that one doesn't survive in the real life reviews. There's an Italian company that makes A4 size e-ink readers you can connect into double A4. Also tempting. Let us know your experienceswith the Max3 David *** David van Ooijen [1][4][8]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2][5][9]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 21:17, Daniel Shoskes <[3][6][10]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote: I ended up getting the Boox Max 3 [4][7][11]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6wgf4WWS3o=emb_lo go Tutorial by a pianist for the Boox Max 2 [5][8][12]https://youtu.be/U2jBA3lVXWI Happy to send you photos of how music looks on it (both computer generated and scanned MS) if you are interested.Very clear. Surface actually feels like paper. This version works with finger touch and with a stylus. Pairs with bluetooth pedals for page turns. Danny On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:01 PM, David van Ooijen <[6][9][13]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Dan Can we ask what device
[LUTE] Re: Android OS software
Just tried MobileSheets and I do not see that it allows for an update of a file. It either ignores it or creates a new song. This is one of the things I like about forScore so I guess I stick with forScore and iPad. David -Original Message- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu On Behalf Of David Smith Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 2:09 PM To: Sean Smith ; lute Subject: [LUTE] Re: Android OS software The nice thing about forScore on an iPad is that the annotations are saved when a PDF is updated. Most PDF readers do not have this support. Unfortunately it only runs on an iPad. I would hope that MobileSheets does nothing like this as well. David -Original Message- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu On Behalf Of Sean Smith Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 1:56 PM To: lute Subject: [LUTE] Re: Android OS software Interesting thread. I also bought a tablet (Surface 5) for tablet/tab/music stand. I chose the Windows environment so I could read and edit Fronimo and have it all contained in one box. Unfortunately I can't turn pages in Fronimo's Print Preview with my home-made-foot-page turner so will invest in a proper foot control. Realistically I don't expect that to change but would appreciate a better thought out design than what I came up with and hope for the best. [rant: why are they so pricey? They're just wireless keyboards w/ two big buttons! :end rant] But I can't add notes with a stylus until I print to PDF. Then those notes are erased if I edit the original and "reprint" --but that's not unlike a hard copy. Danny, others using the Android: Are you reading from PDFs on your tablets? Sean On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 12:40 PM tribioli <[1]tribi...@arcetri.astro.it> wrote: I've got a reconditioned Surface 4 that I use with MobileSheet. I use it for singing so I wanted a light emitting device to cope with dark environments too, like some churches. E-ink devices are probably better when there is enough light Francesco Messaggio originale Da: David van Ooijen <[2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> Data: 05/01/20 21:31 (GMT+01:00) A: lutelist Net <[3]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: Android OS software Thanks Dan, I saw that video too. Also saw the Gvido (double A4). Too bad that one doesn't survive in the real life reviews. There's an Italian company that makes A4 size e-ink readers you can connect into double A4. Also tempting. Let us know your experiences with the Max3 David *** David van Ooijen [1][4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2][5]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 21:17, Daniel Shoskes <[3][6]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote: I ended up getting the Boox Max 3 [4][7]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6wgf4WWS3o=emb_logo Tutorial by a pianist for the Boox Max 2 [5][8]https://youtu.be/U2jBA3lVXWI Happy to send you photos of how music looks on it (both computer generated and scanned MS) if you are interested.Very clear. Surface actually feels like paper. This version works with finger touch and with a stylus. Pairs with bluetooth pedals for page turns. Danny On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:01 PM, David van Ooijen <[6][9]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Dan Can we ask what device you have? I've been looking at e-ink sheet music readers lately, but I couldn't make my mind up. David *** David van Ooijen [1][7][10]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2][8][11]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 20:56, Daniel Shoskes <[3][9][12]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote: This is the year I've committed to reducing paper clutter throughout the house so I've finally bought a dedicated tablet for music storage and performance. I got a 13.3 inch E ink display which is friendly to my aging eyes and can fit a lot of music on 1 page. It is however the first device I have owned that runs Android (9.0) rather than iOS. Settled on MobileSheetsPro for sheet music management which has a dedicated E ink version (but no Mac or iOS
[LUTE] Re: Android OS software
Thanks, I'm not sure I want it to save every annotation, especially depending on how much I change the music text ... so I'm not sure how much of this feature I want or need. But it's useful to know how much is available to the user in this or that format. s On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 2:09 PM David Smith <[1]d...@dolcesfogato.com> wrote: The nice thing about forScore on an iPad is that the annotations are saved when a PDF is updated. Most PDF readers do not have this support. Unfortunately it only runs on an iPad. I would hope that MobileSheets does nothing like this as well. David -Original Message- From: [2]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> On Behalf Of Sean Smith Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 1:56 PM To: lute <[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Android OS software Interesting thread. I also bought a tablet (Surface 5) for tablet/tab/music stand. I chose the Windows environment so I could read and edit Fronimo and have it all contained in one box. Unfortunately I can't turn pages in Fronimo's Print Preview with my home-made-foot-page turner so will invest in a proper foot control. Realistically I don't expect that to change but would appreciate a better thought out design than what I came up with and hope for the best.[rant: why are they so pricey? They're just wireless keyboards w/ two big buttons! :end rant] But I can't add notes with a stylus until I print to PDF. Then those notes are erased if I edit the original and "reprint" --but that's not unlike a hard copy. Danny, others using the Android: Are you reading from PDFs on your tablets? Sean On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 12:40 PM tribioli <[1][5]tribi...@arcetri.astro.it> wrote: I've got a reconditioned Surface 4 that I use with MobileSheet. I use it for singing so I wanted a light emitting device to cope with dark environments too, like some churches. E-ink devices are probably better when there is enough light Francesco Messaggio originale Da: David van Ooijen <[2][6]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> Data: 05/01/20 21:31 (GMT+01:00) A: lutelist Net <[3][7]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: Android OS software Thanks Dan, I saw that video too. Also saw the Gvido (double A4). Too bad that one doesn't survive in the real life reviews. There's an Italian company that makes A4 size e-ink readers you can connect into double A4. Also tempting. Let us know your experienceswith the Max3 David *** David van Ooijen [1][4][8]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2][5][9]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 21:17, Daniel Shoskes <[3][6][10]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote: I ended up getting the Boox Max 3 [4][7][11]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6wgf4WWS3o=emb_lo go Tutorial by a pianist for the Boox Max 2 [5][8][12]https://youtu.be/U2jBA3lVXWI Happy to send you photos of how music looks on it (both computer generated and scanned MS) if you are interested.Very clear. Surface actually feels like paper. This version works with finger touch and with a stylus. Pairs with bluetooth pedals for page turns. Danny On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:01 PM, David van Ooijen <[6][9][13]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Dan Can we ask what device you have? I've been looking at e-ink sheet music readers lately, but I couldn't make my mind up. David *** David van Ooijen [1][7][10][14]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2][8][11][15]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 20:56, Daniel Shoskes <[3][9][12][16]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote: This is the year I've committed to reducing paper clutter
[LUTE] Re: Android OS software
The nice thing about forScore on an iPad is that the annotations are saved when a PDF is updated. Most PDF readers do not have this support. Unfortunately it only runs on an iPad. I would hope that MobileSheets does nothing like this as well. David -Original Message- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu On Behalf Of Sean Smith Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 1:56 PM To: lute Subject: [LUTE] Re: Android OS software Interesting thread. I also bought a tablet (Surface 5) for tablet/tab/music stand. I chose the Windows environment so I could read and edit Fronimo and have it all contained in one box. Unfortunately I can't turn pages in Fronimo's Print Preview with my home-made-foot-page turner so will invest in a proper foot control. Realistically I don't expect that to change but would appreciate a better thought out design than what I came up with and hope for the best. [rant: why are they so pricey? They're just wireless keyboards w/ two big buttons! :end rant] But I can't add notes with a stylus until I print to PDF. Then those notes are erased if I edit the original and "reprint" --but that's not unlike a hard copy. Danny, others using the Android: Are you reading from PDFs on your tablets? Sean On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 12:40 PM tribioli <[1]tribi...@arcetri.astro.it> wrote: I've got a reconditioned Surface 4 that I use with MobileSheet. I use it for singing so I wanted a light emitting device to cope with dark environments too, like some churches. E-ink devices are probably better when there is enough light Francesco Messaggio originale Da: David van Ooijen <[2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> Data: 05/01/20 21:31 (GMT+01:00) A: lutelist Net <[3]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: Android OS software Thanks Dan, I saw that video too. Also saw the Gvido (double A4). Too bad that one doesn't survive in the real life reviews. There's an Italian company that makes A4 size e-ink readers you can connect into double A4. Also tempting. Let us know your experiences with the Max3 David *** David van Ooijen [1][4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2][5]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 21:17, Daniel Shoskes <[3][6]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote: I ended up getting the Boox Max 3 [4][7]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6wgf4WWS3o=emb_logo Tutorial by a pianist for the Boox Max 2 [5][8]https://youtu.be/U2jBA3lVXWI Happy to send you photos of how music looks on it (both computer generated and scanned MS) if you are interested.Very clear. Surface actually feels like paper. This version works with finger touch and with a stylus. Pairs with bluetooth pedals for page turns. Danny On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:01 PM, David van Ooijen <[6][9]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Dan Can we ask what device you have? I've been looking at e-ink sheet music readers lately, but I couldn't make my mind up. David *** David van Ooijen [1][7][10]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2][8][11]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 20:56, Daniel Shoskes <[3][9][12]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote: This is the year I've committed to reducing paper clutter throughout the house so I've finally bought a dedicated tablet for music storage and performance. I got a 13.3 inch E ink display which is friendly to my aging eyes and can fit a lot of music on 1 page. It is however the first device I have owned that runs Android (9.0) rather than iOS. Settled on MobileSheetsPro for sheet music management which has a dedicated E ink version (but no Mac or iOS equivalent). Would be interested to hear from anyone who uses Android software for lute music purposes on a tablet. Any valuable programs out there? Thanks Danny To get on or off this list see list information at
[LUTE] Re: Android OS software
Interesting thread. I also bought a tablet (Surface 5) for tablet/tab/music stand. I chose the Windows environment so I could read and edit Fronimo and have it all contained in one box. Unfortunately I can't turn pages in Fronimo's Print Preview with my home-made-foot-page turner so will invest in a proper foot control. Realistically I don't expect that to change but would appreciate a better thought out design than what I came up with and hope for the best. [rant: why are they so pricey? They're just wireless keyboards w/ two big buttons! :end rant] But I can't add notes with a stylus until I print to PDF. Then those notes are erased if I edit the original and "reprint" --but that's not unlike a hard copy. Danny, others using the Android: Are you reading from PDFs on your tablets? Sean On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 12:40 PM tribioli <[1]tribi...@arcetri.astro.it> wrote: I've got a reconditioned Surface 4 that I use with MobileSheet. I use it for singing so I wanted a light emitting device to cope with dark environments too, like some churches. E-ink devices are probably better when there is enough light Francesco Messaggio originale Da: David van Ooijen <[2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> Data: 05/01/20 21:31 (GMT+01:00) A: lutelist Net <[3]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: Android OS software Thanks Dan, I saw that video too. Also saw the Gvido (double A4). Too bad that one doesn't survive in the real life reviews. There's an Italian company that makes A4 size e-ink readers you can connect into double A4. Also tempting. Let us know your experiences with the Max3 David *** David van Ooijen [1][4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2][5]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 21:17, Daniel Shoskes <[3][6]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote: I ended up getting the Boox Max 3 [4][7]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6wgf4WWS3o=emb_logo Tutorial by a pianist for the Boox Max 2 [5][8]https://youtu.be/U2jBA3lVXWI Happy to send you photos of how music looks on it (both computer generated and scanned MS) if you are interested.Very clear. Surface actually feels like paper. This version works with finger touch and with a stylus. Pairs with bluetooth pedals for page turns. Danny On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:01 PM, David van Ooijen <[6][9]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Dan Can we ask what device you have? I've been looking at e-ink sheet music readers lately, but I couldn't make my mind up. David *** David van Ooijen [1][7][10]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2][8][11]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 20:56, Daniel Shoskes <[3][9][12]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote: This is the year I've committed to reducing paper clutter throughout the house so I've finally bought a dedicated tablet for music storage and performance. I got a 13.3 inch E ink display which is friendly to my aging eyes and can fit a lot of music on 1 page. It is however the first device I have owned that runs Android (9.0) rather than iOS. Settled on MobileSheetsPro for sheet music management which has a dedicated E ink version (but no Mac or iOS equivalent). Would be interested to hear from anyone who uses Android software for lute music purposes on a tablet. Any valuable programs out there? Thanks Danny To get on or off this list see list information at [4][10][13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [11]mailto:[14]davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. [12][15]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. [13]mailto:[16]kidneykut...@gmail.com 4. [14][17]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[18]davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. [19]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: Android OS software
Am 05.01.2020 um 21:34 schrieb DANIEL SHOSKES: Well, the Boox max 3 is “only” 761 Euro so I guess that’s an improvement? Fast geschenkt :) Rainer On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Rainer wrote: Am 05.01.2020 um 20:51 schrieb Daniel Shoskes: This is the year I’ve committed to reducing paper clutter throughout the house so I’ve finally bought a dedicated tablet for music storage and performance. I got a 13.3 inch E ink display which is friendly to my aging eyes and can fit a lot of music on 1 page. It is however the first device I have owned that runs Android (9.0) rather than iOS. Settled on MobileSheetsPro for sheet music management which has a dedicated E ink version (but no Mac or iOS equivalent). 13.3 inch e-ink? Many years ago there was an A4 e-ink device by Sony. Only 1.100 Euro :( What device are you talking about? Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Android OS software
I've got a reconditioned Surface 4 that I use with MobileSheet. I use
it for singing so I wanted a light emitting device to cope with dark
environments too, like some churches. E-ink devices are probably better
when there is enough light
Francesco
Messaggio originale
Da: David van Ooijen
Data: 05/01/20 21:31 (GMT+01:00)
A: lutelist Net
Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: Android OS software
Thanks Dan, I saw that video too. Also saw the Gvido (double A4).
Too
bad that one doesn't survive in the real life reviews. There's an
Italian company that makes A4 size e-ink readers you can connect
into
double A4. Also tempting.
Let us know your experiences with the Max3
David
***
David van Ooijen
[1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
[2]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com
***
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 21:17, Daniel Shoskes
<[3]kidneykut...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I ended up getting the Boox Max 3
[4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6wgf4WWS3o=emb_logo
Tutorial by a pianist for the Boox Max 2
[5]https://youtu.be/U2jBA3lVXWI
Happy to send you photos of how music looks on it (both computer
generated and scanned MS) if you are interested.Very clear. Surface
actually feels like paper. This version works with finger touch and
with a stylus. Pairs with bluetooth pedals for page turns.
Danny
On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:01 PM, David van Ooijen
<[6]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Dan
Can we ask what device you have? I've been looking at e-ink sheet
music
readers lately, but I couldn't make my mind up.
David
***
David van Ooijen
[1][7]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
[2][8]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com
***
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 20:56, Daniel Shoskes
<[3][9]kidneykut...@gmail.com>
wrote:
This is the year I've committed to reducing paper clutter
throughout
the house so I've finally bought a dedicated tablet for music
storage and performance. I got a 13.3 inch E ink display
which
is
friendly to my aging eyes and can fit a lot of music on 1
page.
It
is however the first device I have owned that runs Android
(9.0)
rather than iOS. Settled on MobileSheetsPro for sheet music
management which has a dedicated E ink version (but no Mac or
iOS
equivalent).
Would be interested to hear from anyone who uses Android
software
for lute music purposes on a tablet. Any valuable programs
out
there?
Thanks
Danny
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[4][10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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1. [11]mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
2. [12]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
3. [13]mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com
4. [14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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References
1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
3. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6wgf4WWS3o=emb_logo
5. https://youtu.be/U2jBA3lVXWI
6. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
7. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
8. https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/
9. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com
10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
11. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
12. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
13. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com
14. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Android OS software
Thanks Dan, I saw that video too. Also saw the Gvido (double A4). Too bad that one doesn't survive in the real life reviews. There's an Italian company that makes A4 size e-ink readers you can connect into double A4. Also tempting. Let us know your experiences with the Max3 David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 21:17, Daniel Shoskes <[3]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote: I ended up getting the Boox Max 3 [4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6wgf4WWS3o=emb_logo Tutorial by a pianist for the Boox Max 2 [5]https://youtu.be/U2jBA3lVXWI Happy to send you photos of how music looks on it (both computer generated and scanned MS) if you are interested.Very clear. Surface actually feels like paper. This version works with finger touch and with a stylus. Pairs with bluetooth pedals for page turns. Danny On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:01 PM, David van Ooijen <[6]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Dan Can we ask what device you have? I've been looking at e-ink sheet music readers lately, but I couldn't make my mind up. David *** David van Ooijen [1][7]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2][8]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 20:56, Daniel Shoskes <[3][9]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote: This is the year I've committed to reducing paper clutter throughout the house so I've finally bought a dedicated tablet for music storage and performance. I got a 13.3 inch E ink display which is friendly to my aging eyes and can fit a lot of music on 1 page. It is however the first device I have owned that runs Android (9.0) rather than iOS. Settled on MobileSheetsPro for sheet music management which has a dedicated E ink version (but no Mac or iOS equivalent). Would be interested to hear from anyone who uses Android software for lute music purposes on a tablet. Any valuable programs out there? Thanks Danny To get on or off this list see list information at [4][10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [11]mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. [12]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. [13]mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com 4. [14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6wgf4WWS3o=emb_logo 5. https://youtu.be/U2jBA3lVXWI 6. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 7. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 8. https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/ 9. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com 10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 11. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 12. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 13. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com 14. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Milan's name
In El Cortesano it's Don Luys Milan … I am not a home for the next few days, but if anyone has the Facsimile of El Maestro published by the Sociedad de la Vihuela a few years ago, he or she could look into the commentary and see if there is any evidence mentioned for Milán, de Milán or similar. Best Joachim To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Android OS software
I ended up getting the Boox Max 3 [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6wgf4WWS3o=emb_logo Tutorial by a pianist for the Boox Max 2 [2]https://youtu.be/U2jBA3lVXWI Happy to send you photos of how music looks on it (both computer generated and scanned MS) if you are interested.Very clear. Surface actually feels like paper. This version works with finger touch and with a stylus. Pairs with bluetooth pedals for page turns. Danny On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:01 PM, David van Ooijen <[3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Dan Can we ask what device you have? I've been looking at e-ink sheet music readers lately, but I couldn't make my mind up. David *** David van Ooijen [1][4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2][5]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 20:56, Daniel Shoskes <[3][6]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote: This is the year I've committed to reducing paper clutter throughout the house so I've finally bought a dedicated tablet for music storage and performance. I got a 13.3 inch E ink display which is friendly to my aging eyes and can fit a lot of music on 1 page. It is however the first device I have owned that runs Android (9.0) rather than iOS. Settled on MobileSheetsPro for sheet music management which has a dedicated E ink version (but no Mac or iOS equivalent). Would be interested to hear from anyone who uses Android software for lute music purposes on a tablet. Any valuable programs out there? Thanks Danny To get on or off this list see list information at [4][7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [8]mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. [9]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. [10]mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com 4. [11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6wgf4WWS3o=emb_logo 2. https://youtu.be/U2jBA3lVXWI 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/ 6. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 9. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 10. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com 11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Android OS software
Am 05.01.2020 um 20:51 schrieb Daniel Shoskes: This is the year I’ve committed to reducing paper clutter throughout the house so I’ve finally bought a dedicated tablet for music storage and performance. I got a 13.3 inch E ink display which is friendly to my aging eyes and can fit a lot of music on 1 page. It is however the first device I have owned that runs Android (9.0) rather than iOS. Settled on MobileSheetsPro for sheet music management which has a dedicated E ink version (but no Mac or iOS equivalent). 13.3 inch e-ink? Many years ago there was an A4 e-ink device by Sony. Only 1.100 Euro :( What device are you talking about? Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Android OS software
Hi Dan Can we ask what device you have? I've been looking at e-ink sheet music readers lately, but I couldn't make my mind up. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 20:56, Daniel Shoskes <[3]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote: This is the year I've committed to reducing paper clutter throughout the house so I've finally bought a dedicated tablet for music storage and performance. I got a 13.3 inch E ink display which is friendly to my aging eyes and can fit a lot of music on 1 page. It is however the first device I have owned that runs Android (9.0) rather than iOS. Settled on MobileSheetsPro for sheet music management which has a dedicated E ink version (but no Mac or iOS equivalent). Would be interested to hear from anyone who uses Android software for lute music purposes on a tablet. Any valuable programs out there? Thanks Danny To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Android OS software
This is the year I’ve committed to reducing paper clutter throughout the house so I’ve finally bought a dedicated tablet for music storage and performance. I got a 13.3 inch E ink display which is friendly to my aging eyes and can fit a lot of music on 1 page. It is however the first device I have owned that runs Android (9.0) rather than iOS. Settled on MobileSheetsPro for sheet music management which has a dedicated E ink version (but no Mac or iOS equivalent). Would be interested to hear from anyone who uses Android software for lute music purposes on a tablet. Any valuable programs out there? Thanks Danny To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Dlugoraj
The digital facsimile of so-called Dlugoraj (II.6.15) lute book was announced ages ago. Now a miracle has happened: https://sachsen.digital/werkansicht/dlf/363424/1/ Rainer PS: For the few who don't speak German: Use the third download option To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?
All of Jordi Savall's CDs have him as De M. RT On 1/5/2020 12:24 PM, Joachim Lüdtke wrote: The title page of the Libro de motes … has Luys Milan too I have not seen El Cortesano for quite a while … All best Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone? Datum: 2020-01-05T10:13:43+0100 Von: "Albert Reyerman" An: "Tristan von Neumann" , "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" Wrong, Tristan. The only source we have with his name given is EL MAESTRO. Here his name is prited Luys Milan (sic) No apostroph. Regards Albert TREE EDITION Albert Reyerman Finkenberg 89 23558 Luebeck Germany albertreyer...@kabelmail.de www.tree-edition.com 0451 899 78 48 --- Fine Art Paintings Anke Reyerman www.anke-reyerman.de Am 04.01.2020 um 20:02 schrieb Tristan von Neumann: May I just add something outrageous: This guy is literally called "Milán". How sure are we that he's not of Italian origin? On 04.01.20 19:59, Antonio Corona wrote: Dear Ron, Thank you for your kind words. Again, I think we should be wary of speculations where the known facts points in another direction. While there is indeed a possibility of Italian influence in Milán, especially considering that the viceroy of Valencia was Ferdinand of Aragón, Duke of Calabria, I still believe that putting together Milán and Verdelot is pushing the evidence too far merely on the basis of a vague possibility (which I cannot share -the dates of their publications suggest otherwise); on the other hand, we have no way of knowing how much influence Castiglione's book might have had on Milán: at least there is none to be found in his own Cortesano. In my view all the arguments in favour of an Italian direct musical influence on Milán remain purely speculative. I cannot give credence to them. On the other hand, resorting to the contents of Valderrábano and Fuenllana is, again, misleading. Both vihuelists belong to a later phase and school (I call it Castilian as opposed to the earlier Valencian) and should not be used as a basis for comparison. The mere fact that both included a large amount of intabulations as opposed to the contents of El Maestro -where there are none-, not to mention the altogether different style of their fantasias, as well as the fact that both Valderrábano and Fuenllana were professional musicians at the service of nobility, whereas Milán was an amateur (probably a member of the lesser nobility as suggested by the "Don"), their "nationality": Castilian versus Valencian, and even the type of tablature they used should put us on our guard against a direct comparison and therefore considering them on the same category. I´m afraid that I shall need more solid evidence to convince me that Milan used the music of Verdelot (or any of the other great composers intabulated by later vihuelists) as a model or otherwise for his own music. As it stands now, I must stress it again, such a suggestion is firmly rooted on speculation and nothing more. Best wishes, Antonio On Saturday, 4 January 2020, 09:19:07 GMT-6, Ron Andrico wrote: Thanks, Antonio. I must say it is heartwarming to know you are such a champion for the music of Milan. I appreciate his role as a pioneer in Spanish instrumental music and as an advocate of the viheula and its significance in courtly life. But I don't think it is much of a speculation to say that he was influenced by Italian examples, including Verdelot's madrigals and Castiglione's much earlier example of a guide to courtly custom. I think if you'll examine the large amount of intabulated polyphony found in the books of Fuenllana (1552) and Valderrabano (1547), both of which contain several intabulations of music by Verdelot, as well as Arcadelt, Compere, Gombert, Josquin, Mouton, Sermisy and Willaert, you must admit there is a chance Milan had access to examples for his instrumental settings. RA __ From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Antonio Corona Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 9:21 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone? Oops ... a mistake. In the paragraph wich reads: Milán`s El Cortesano is an account of his life at the viceregal court of the Duke of Calabria and Germaine de Foix at Valencia: it has little in common with Casteglione's work which, incidentally, was published in a Spanish translation by Juan Boscán in 1534 - the same year in which the work for publishing El Maestro began. We do not know at what time Milan might have learned of it, but his Cortesano was published in 1561, a long time after. The part which states "in 1534 - the same year in which the work for publishing El Maestro began." should be ignored (the correct date is 1535). Best wishes, Antonio To get on or off this list see list
[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?
The title page of the Libro de motes … has Luys Milan too I have not seen El Cortesano for quite a while … All best Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone? Datum: 2020-01-05T10:13:43+0100 Von: "Albert Reyerman" An: "Tristan von Neumann" , "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" Wrong, Tristan. The only source we have with his name given is EL MAESTRO. Here his name is prited Luys Milan (sic) No apostroph. Regards Albert TREE EDITION Albert Reyerman Finkenberg 89 23558 Luebeck Germany albertreyer...@kabelmail.de www.tree-edition.com 0451 899 78 48 --- Fine Art Paintings Anke Reyerman www.anke-reyerman.de Am 04.01.2020 um 20:02 schrieb Tristan von Neumann: > May I just add something outrageous: > > > This guy is literally called "Milán". How sure are we that he's not of > Italian origin? > > > On 04.01.20 19:59, Antonio Corona wrote: >> Dear Ron, >> >> Thank you for your kind words. Again, I think we should be wary of >> speculations where the known facts points in another direction. While >> there is indeed a possibility of Italian influence in Milán, >> especially considering that the viceroy of Valencia was Ferdinand of >> Aragón, Duke of Calabria, I still believe that putting together Milán >> and Verdelot is pushing the evidence too far merely on the basis of a >> vague possibility (which I cannot share -the dates of their >> publications suggest otherwise); on the other hand, we have no way of >> knowing how much influence Castiglione's book might have had on >> Milán: at least there is none to be found in his own Cortesano. In my >> view all the arguments in favour of an Italian direct musical >> influence on Milán remain purely speculative. I cannot give credence >> to them. >> >> On the other hand, resorting to the contents of Valderrábano and >> Fuenllana is, again, misleading. Both vihuelists belong to a later >> phase and school (I call it Castilian as opposed to the earlier >> Valencian) and should not be used as a basis for comparison. The mere >> fact that both included a large amount of intabulations as opposed to >> the contents of El Maestro -where there are none-, not to mention the >> altogether different style of their fantasias, as well as the fact >> that both Valderrábano and Fuenllana were professional musicians at >> the service of nobility, whereas Milán was an amateur (probably a >> member of the lesser nobility as suggested by the "Don"), their >> "nationality": Castilian versus Valencian, and even the type of >> tablature they used should put us on our guard against a direct >> comparison and therefore considering them on the same category. >> >> I´m afraid that I shall need more solid evidence to convince me that >> Milan used the music of Verdelot (or any of the other great composers >> intabulated by later vihuelists) as a model or otherwise for his own >> music. As it stands now, I must stress it again, such a suggestion is >> firmly rooted on speculation and nothing more. >> >> Best wishes, >> Antonio >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Saturday, 4 January 2020, 09:19:07 GMT-6, Ron Andrico >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, Antonio. I must say it is heartwarming to know you are >> such a >> champion for the music of Milan. I appreciate his role as a >> pioneer in >> Spanish instrumental music and as an advocate of the viheula and its >> significance in courtly life. But I don't think it is much of a >> speculation to say that he was influenced by Italian examples, >> including Verdelot's madrigals and Castiglione's much earlier example >> of a guide to courtly custom. I think if you'll examine the large >> amount of intabulated polyphony found in the books of Fuenllana >> (1552) >> and Valderrabano (1547), both of which contain several >> intabulations of >> music by Verdelot, as well as Arcadelt, Compere, Gombert, Josquin, >> Mouton, Sermisy and Willaert, you must admit there is a chance Milan >> had access to examples for his instrumental settings. >> >> RA >> __ >> >> From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu >> on behalf of Antonio Corona >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 9:21 AM >> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone? >> >> Oops ... a mistake. >> In the paragraph wich reads: >> Milán`s El Cortesano is an account of his life at the viceregal court >> of the Duke of Calabria and Germaine de Foix at Valencia: it has >> little >> in common with Casteglione's work which, incidentally, was >> published in >> a Spanish translation by Juan Boscán in 1534 - the same year in which >> the work for publishing El Maestro began. We do not know at what time >> Milan might have learned of it, but his Cortesano was published in >> 1561, a long time after. >> The part which states "in 1534 - the same year in
[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?
Interestingly there are only about a dozen Milans in the whole province of Valencia, some with the accent on A, some without. I certainly wouldn't rule out Italian extraction for the character in question. The whole argument reminds me of an old epigram: "Seven cities argue over Homer's citizenship. He was a beggar in all seven of these!" RT On 1/5/2020 10:51 AM, Lex van Sante wrote: Lluis del Milà is the the name in Catalan. In Castiliano the name is Luys (or alternatively Luis) Milan. Cheers! Lex Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone Op 5 jan. 2020 om 14:17 heeft r.turov...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: How come is he also known as Luis de Milan and Lluis del Mila’? RT http://turovsky.org Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. On Jan 5, 2020, at 4:16 AM, Albert Reyerman wrote: Wrong, Tristan. The only source we have with his name given is EL MAESTRO. Here his name is prited Luys Milan (sic) No apostroph. Regards Albert TREE EDITION Albert Reyerman Finkenberg 89 23558 Luebeck Germany albertreyer...@kabelmail.de www.tree-edition.com 0451 899 78 48 --- Fine Art Paintings Anke Reyerman www.anke-reyerman.de Am 04.01.2020 um 20:02 schrieb Tristan von Neumann: May I just add something outrageous: This guy is literally called "Milán". How sure are we that he's not of Italian origin? On 04.01.20 19:59, Antonio Corona wrote: Dear Ron, Thank you for your kind words. Again, I think we should be wary of speculations where the known facts points in another direction. While there is indeed a possibility of Italian influence in Milán, especially considering that the viceroy of Valencia was Ferdinand of Aragón, Duke of Calabria, I still believe that putting together Milán and Verdelot is pushing the evidence too far merely on the basis of a vague possibility (which I cannot share -the dates of their publications suggest otherwise); on the other hand, we have no way of knowing how much influence Castiglione's book might have had on Milán: at least there is none to be found in his own Cortesano. In my view all the arguments in favour of an Italian direct musical influence on Milán remain purely speculative. I cannot give credence to them. On the other hand, resorting to the contents of Valderrábano and Fuenllana is, again, misleading. Both vihuelists belong to a later phase and school (I call it Castilian as opposed to the earlier Valencian) and should not be used as a basis for comparison. The mere fact that both included a large amount of intabulations as opposed to the contents of El Maestro -where there are none-, not to mention the altogether different style of their fantasias, as well as the fact that both Valderrábano and Fuenllana were professional musicians at the service of nobility, whereas Milán was an amateur (probably a member of the lesser nobility as suggested by the "Don"), their "nationality": Castilian versus Valencian, and even the type of tablature they used should put us on our guard against a direct comparison and therefore considering them on the same category. I´m afraid that I shall need more solid evidence to convince me that Milan used the music of Verdelot (or any of the other great composers intabulated by later vihuelists) as a model or otherwise for his own music. As it stands now, I must stress it again, such a suggestion is firmly rooted on speculation and nothing more. Best wishes, Antonio On Saturday, 4 January 2020, 09:19:07 GMT-6, Ron Andrico wrote: Thanks, Antonio. I must say it is heartwarming to know you are such a champion for the music of Milan. I appreciate his role as a pioneer in Spanish instrumental music and as an advocate of the viheula and its significance in courtly life. But I don't think it is much of a speculation to say that he was influenced by Italian examples, including Verdelot's madrigals and Castiglione's much earlier example of a guide to courtly custom. I think if you'll examine the large amount of intabulated polyphony found in the books of Fuenllana (1552) and Valderrabano (1547), both of which contain several intabulations of music by Verdelot, as well as Arcadelt, Compere, Gombert, Josquin, Mouton, Sermisy and Willaert, you must admit there is a chance Milan had access to examples for his instrumental settings. RA __ From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Antonio Corona Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 9:21 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone? Oops ... a mistake. In the paragraph wich reads: Milán`s El Cortesano is an account of his life at the viceregal court of the Duke of Calabria and Germaine de Foix at Valencia: it has little in common with Casteglione's work which, incidentally, was published in a Spanish translation by Juan Boscán in 1534 - the same year in
[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?
Lluis del Milà is the the name in Catalan. In Castiliano the name is Luys (or alternatively Luis) Milan. Cheers! Lex Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone > Op 5 jan. 2020 om 14:17 heeft r.turov...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: > > How come is he also known as Luis de Milan and Lluis del Mila’? > RT > > > http://turovsky.org > Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. > >> On Jan 5, 2020, at 4:16 AM, Albert Reyerman >> wrote: >> >> Wrong, Tristan. >> >> The only source we have with his name given >> is EL MAESTRO. >> Here his name is prited Luys Milan (sic) >> No apostroph. >> >> Regards >> Albert >> >> TREE EDITION >> Albert Reyerman >> Finkenberg 89 >> 23558 Luebeck >> Germany >> >> albertreyer...@kabelmail.de >> www.tree-edition.com >> 0451 899 78 48 >> --- >> Fine Art Paintings >> Anke Reyerman >> www.anke-reyerman.de >> Am 04.01.2020 um 20:02 schrieb Tristan von Neumann: >>> May I just add something outrageous: >>> >>> >>> This guy is literally called "Milán". How sure are we that he's not of >>> Italian origin? >>> >>> On 04.01.20 19:59, Antonio Corona wrote: Dear Ron, Thank you for your kind words. Again, I think we should be wary of speculations where the known facts points in another direction. While there is indeed a possibility of Italian influence in Milán, especially considering that the viceroy of Valencia was Ferdinand of Aragón, Duke of Calabria, I still believe that putting together Milán and Verdelot is pushing the evidence too far merely on the basis of a vague possibility (which I cannot share -the dates of their publications suggest otherwise); on the other hand, we have no way of knowing how much influence Castiglione's book might have had on Milán: at least there is none to be found in his own Cortesano. In my view all the arguments in favour of an Italian direct musical influence on Milán remain purely speculative. I cannot give credence to them. On the other hand, resorting to the contents of Valderrábano and Fuenllana is, again, misleading. Both vihuelists belong to a later phase and school (I call it Castilian as opposed to the earlier Valencian) and should not be used as a basis for comparison. The mere fact that both included a large amount of intabulations as opposed to the contents of El Maestro -where there are none-, not to mention the altogether different style of their fantasias, as well as the fact that both Valderrábano and Fuenllana were professional musicians at the service of nobility, whereas Milán was an amateur (probably a member of the lesser nobility as suggested by the "Don"), their "nationality": Castilian versus Valencian, and even the type of tablature they used should put us on our guard against a direct comparison and therefore considering them on the same category. I´m afraid that I shall need more solid evidence to convince me that Milan used the music of Verdelot (or any of the other great composers intabulated by later vihuelists) as a model or otherwise for his own music. As it stands now, I must stress it again, such a suggestion is firmly rooted on speculation and nothing more. Best wishes, Antonio > On Saturday, 4 January 2020, 09:19:07 GMT-6, Ron Andrico > wrote: Thanks, Antonio. I must say it is heartwarming to know you are such a champion for the music of Milan. I appreciate his role as a pioneer in Spanish instrumental music and as an advocate of the viheula and its significance in courtly life. But I don't think it is much of a speculation to say that he was influenced by Italian examples, including Verdelot's madrigals and Castiglione's much earlier example of a guide to courtly custom. I think if you'll examine the large amount of intabulated polyphony found in the books of Fuenllana (1552) and Valderrabano (1547), both of which contain several intabulations of music by Verdelot, as well as Arcadelt, Compere, Gombert, Josquin, Mouton, Sermisy and Willaert, you must admit there is a chance Milan had access to examples for his instrumental settings. RA __ From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Antonio Corona Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 9:21 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone? Oops ... a mistake. In the paragraph wich reads: Milán`s El Cortesano is an account of his life at the viceregal court of the Duke of Calabria and Germaine de Foix at Valencia: it has little in common with Casteglione's work which,
[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?
How come is he also known as Luis de Milan and Lluis del Mila’? RT http://turovsky.org Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. > On Jan 5, 2020, at 4:16 AM, Albert Reyerman > wrote: > > Wrong, Tristan. > > The only source we have with his name given > is EL MAESTRO. > Here his name is prited Luys Milan (sic) > No apostroph. > > Regards > Albert > > TREE EDITION > Albert Reyerman > Finkenberg 89 > 23558 Luebeck > Germany > > albertreyer...@kabelmail.de > www.tree-edition.com > 0451 899 78 48 > --- > Fine Art Paintings > Anke Reyerman > www.anke-reyerman.de > >> Am 04.01.2020 um 20:02 schrieb Tristan von Neumann: >> May I just add something outrageous: >> >> >> This guy is literally called "Milán". How sure are we that he's not of >> Italian origin? >> >> >>> On 04.01.20 19:59, Antonio Corona wrote: >>> Dear Ron, >>> >>> Thank you for your kind words. Again, I think we should be wary of >>> speculations where the known facts points in another direction. While there >>> is indeed a possibility of Italian influence in Milán, especially >>> considering that the viceroy of Valencia was Ferdinand of Aragón, Duke of >>> Calabria, I still believe that putting together Milán and Verdelot is >>> pushing the evidence too far merely on the basis of a vague possibility >>> (which I cannot share -the dates of their publications suggest otherwise); >>> on the other hand, we have no way of knowing how much influence >>> Castiglione's book might have had on Milán: at least there is none to be >>> found in his own Cortesano. In my view all the arguments in favour of an >>> Italian direct musical influence on Milán remain purely speculative. I >>> cannot give credence to them. >>> >>> On the other hand, resorting to the contents of Valderrábano and Fuenllana >>> is, again, misleading. Both vihuelists belong to a later phase and school >>> (I call it Castilian as opposed to the earlier Valencian) and should not be >>> used as a basis for comparison. The mere fact that both included a large >>> amount of intabulations as opposed to the contents of El Maestro -where >>> there are none-, not to mention the altogether different style of their >>> fantasias, as well as the fact that both Valderrábano and Fuenllana were >>> professional musicians at the service of nobility, whereas Milán was an >>> amateur (probably a member of the lesser nobility as suggested by the >>> "Don"), their "nationality": Castilian versus Valencian, and even the type >>> of tablature they used should put us on our guard against a direct >>> comparison and therefore considering them on the same category. >>> >>> I´m afraid that I shall need more solid evidence to convince me that Milan >>> used the music of Verdelot (or any of the other great composers intabulated >>> by later vihuelists) as a model or otherwise for his own music. As it >>> stands now, I must stress it again, such a suggestion is firmly rooted on >>> speculation and nothing more. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> Antonio >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, 4 January 2020, 09:19:07 GMT-6, Ron Andrico wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, Antonio. I must say it is heartwarming to know you are such a >>>champion for the music of Milan. I appreciate his role as a pioneer in >>>Spanish instrumental music and as an advocate of the viheula and its >>>significance in courtly life. But I don't think it is much of a >>>speculation to say that he was influenced by Italian examples, >>>including Verdelot's madrigals and Castiglione's much earlier example >>>of a guide to courtly custom. I think if you'll examine the large >>>amount of intabulated polyphony found in the books of Fuenllana (1552) >>>and Valderrabano (1547), both of which contain several intabulations of >>>music by Verdelot, as well as Arcadelt, Compere, Gombert, Josquin, >>>Mouton, Sermisy and Willaert, you must admit there is a chance Milan >>>had access to examples for his instrumental settings. >>> >>>RA >>> __ >>> >>>From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu >>> on behalf of Antonio Corona >>> >>>Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 9:21 AM >>>To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >>>Subject: [LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone? >>> >>>Oops ... a mistake. >>>In the paragraph wich reads: >>>Milán`s El Cortesano is an account of his life at the viceregal court >>>of the Duke of Calabria and Germaine de Foix at Valencia: it has little >>>in common with Casteglione's work which, incidentally, was published in >>>a Spanish translation by Juan Boscán in 1534 - the same year in which >>>the work for publishing El Maestro began. We do not know at what time >>>Milan might have learned of it, but his Cortesano was published in >>>1561, a long time after. >>>The part which states "in 1534 - the
[LUTE] BY STARLIGHT For Theorbo
[1]https://youtu.be/ikhQ3l1hsJE With kind regards, Met vriendelijke groeten, Bien cordialement, Gilbert Isbin [2]www.gilbertisbin.com [3]gilbert.is...@gmail.com -- References 1. https://youtu.be/ikhQ3l1hsJE 2. http://www.gilbertisbin.com/ 3. mailto:gilbert.is...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone?
Wrong, Tristan. The only source we have with his name given is EL MAESTRO. Here his name is prited Luys Milan (sic) No apostroph. Regards Albert TREE EDITION Albert Reyerman Finkenberg 89 23558 Luebeck Germany albertreyer...@kabelmail.de www.tree-edition.com 0451 899 78 48 --- Fine Art Paintings Anke Reyerman www.anke-reyerman.de Am 04.01.2020 um 20:02 schrieb Tristan von Neumann: May I just add something outrageous: This guy is literally called "Milán". How sure are we that he's not of Italian origin? On 04.01.20 19:59, Antonio Corona wrote: Dear Ron, Thank you for your kind words. Again, I think we should be wary of speculations where the known facts points in another direction. While there is indeed a possibility of Italian influence in Milán, especially considering that the viceroy of Valencia was Ferdinand of Aragón, Duke of Calabria, I still believe that putting together Milán and Verdelot is pushing the evidence too far merely on the basis of a vague possibility (which I cannot share -the dates of their publications suggest otherwise); on the other hand, we have no way of knowing how much influence Castiglione's book might have had on Milán: at least there is none to be found in his own Cortesano. In my view all the arguments in favour of an Italian direct musical influence on Milán remain purely speculative. I cannot give credence to them. On the other hand, resorting to the contents of Valderrábano and Fuenllana is, again, misleading. Both vihuelists belong to a later phase and school (I call it Castilian as opposed to the earlier Valencian) and should not be used as a basis for comparison. The mere fact that both included a large amount of intabulations as opposed to the contents of El Maestro -where there are none-, not to mention the altogether different style of their fantasias, as well as the fact that both Valderrábano and Fuenllana were professional musicians at the service of nobility, whereas Milán was an amateur (probably a member of the lesser nobility as suggested by the "Don"), their "nationality": Castilian versus Valencian, and even the type of tablature they used should put us on our guard against a direct comparison and therefore considering them on the same category. I´m afraid that I shall need more solid evidence to convince me that Milan used the music of Verdelot (or any of the other great composers intabulated by later vihuelists) as a model or otherwise for his own music. As it stands now, I must stress it again, such a suggestion is firmly rooted on speculation and nothing more. Best wishes, Antonio On Saturday, 4 January 2020, 09:19:07 GMT-6, Ron Andrico wrote: Thanks, Antonio. I must say it is heartwarming to know you are such a champion for the music of Milan. I appreciate his role as a pioneer in Spanish instrumental music and as an advocate of the viheula and its significance in courtly life. But I don't think it is much of a speculation to say that he was influenced by Italian examples, including Verdelot's madrigals and Castiglione's much earlier example of a guide to courtly custom. I think if you'll examine the large amount of intabulated polyphony found in the books of Fuenllana (1552) and Valderrabano (1547), both of which contain several intabulations of music by Verdelot, as well as Arcadelt, Compere, Gombert, Josquin, Mouton, Sermisy and Willaert, you must admit there is a chance Milan had access to examples for his instrumental settings. RA __ From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Antonio Corona Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 9:21 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Portuguese Lute Music anyone? Oops ... a mistake. In the paragraph wich reads: Milán`s El Cortesano is an account of his life at the viceregal court of the Duke of Calabria and Germaine de Foix at Valencia: it has little in common with Casteglione's work which, incidentally, was published in a Spanish translation by Juan Boscán in 1534 - the same year in which the work for publishing El Maestro began. We do not know at what time Milan might have learned of it, but his Cortesano was published in 1561, a long time after. The part which states "in 1534 - the same year in which the work for publishing El Maestro began." should be ignored (the correct date is 1535). Best wishes, Antonio To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html .
[LUTE] Re: Weird song in Danzig Ms.
Danzig Lautenbuch D-B Danzig 4022 Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin PK edited by Magdalena Tomsinska Facsimile published by TREE Edition 2013 - Nr 197 / 48/3 Kalt gebratens zűr wittemberg Konkordanz: CH-Bu F.IX.70, p. 259, Herzog Augusti Dantz --- Regards Albert TREE EDITION Albert Reyerman Finkenberg 89 23558 Luebeck Germany albertreyer...@kabelmail.de www.tree-edition.com 0451 899 78 48 --- Fine Art Paintings Anke Reyerman www.anke-reyerman.de Am 04.01.2020 um 20:04 schrieb Tristan von Neumann: Does anyone know the origin and/or the lyrics to the song "Kalt gebratens zum Wittemberg" from D-B:Berlin State Library, MS 4022, f.48c..? I did not find anything online. Sounds like some bawdy fun. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html .
