[LUTE] Re: Milan's tablature?
Tree edition has the Easy Duets by Anne Bailes-Van Royen which has a separate score for a melody instrument like recorder, violin... Greet -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Christopher Stetson Verzonden: vrijdag 8 mei 2009 2:40 Aan: lutelist Net Onderwerp: [LUTE] Re: Milan's tablature? Hi, all. I have (somewhere in a pile of music) a publication from about 1900 outlining newly invented character notation for guitar which was essentially modern guitar tab: fret numbers on 6-line staves with (redundantly) parallel staff notation and without (annoyingly) rhythmic notation on the tab. Didn't catch on, though, so had to be reinvented mid-century. Tablature may be the most frequently invented musical notation. Best, and keep playing. Chris. dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us 5/7/2009 4:52 PM On Thu, May 7, 2009, David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com said: On a side note: when did modern guitar TAB (equals Milan's) arise? I have heard talk of Mel Bay editions. before 1960, which is when I took up guitar. -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Milan's tablature?
I seem to recall some handwritten pieces on the blank staves of Denss' Florilegium, in the copy which was used for the Tree Edition selection. There must be some more fragments, someone suggested the name Valencinian tablature because there seem to be connections to Valencia other than through Luis Milan. Ragards, Stephan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com Gesendet: 07.05.09 19:50:54 An: lutelist Net Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Milan's tablature? I suppose I would have made it easier for everyone, particularly Reinier de Valk, if I'd asked the actual question I'm trying to answer, which is whether Milan's tablature can correctly be called unique. On May 7, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Stewart McCoy wrote: There are four short pieces for the four-course guitar in Barberiis' _Libro Decimo_ (venice, 1549). The pieces are described as Fantasie per sonar sopra la Chitara da sette corde. The tablature for all the lute pieces in the book is Italian, but it is Spanish/ Milan tablature for the guitar pieces. Thus dispatching unique. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ Verschicken Sie SMS direkt vom Postfach aus - in alle deutschen und viele ausländische Netze zum gleichen Preis! https://produkte.web.de/webde_sms/sms
[LUTE] Re: Milan's tablature?
You can see this denss florilegium with the handwritten pieces online: http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/~db/0003/bsb00031268/images/index.html Greetings W. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Stephan Olbertz Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Mai 2009 19:36 An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Milan's tablature? I seem to recall some handwritten pieces on the blank staves of Denss' Florilegium, in the copy which was used for the Tree Edition selection. There must be some more fragments, someone suggested the name Valencinian tablature because there seem to be connections to Valencia other than through Luis Milan. Ragards, Stephan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com Gesendet: 07.05.09 19:50:54 An: lutelist Net Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Milan's tablature? I suppose I would have made it easier for everyone, particularly Reinier de Valk, if I'd asked the actual question I'm trying to answer, which is whether Milan's tablature can correctly be called unique. On May 7, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Stewart McCoy wrote: There are four short pieces for the four-course guitar in Barberiis' _Libro Decimo_ (venice, 1549). The pieces are described as Fantasie per sonar sopra la Chitara da sette corde. The tablature for all the lute pieces in the book is Italian, but it is Spanish/ Milan tablature for the guitar pieces. Thus dispatching unique. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ Verschicken Sie SMS direkt vom Postfach aus - in alle deutschen und viele ausländische Netze zum gleichen Preis! https://produkte.web.de/webde_sms/sms
[LUTE] Re: Milan's tablature?
Dear Howard, What comes to my mind immediately is Francesco da Milano's Intavolatura de viola o vero lauto, libro secondo -- perhaps that is what you are looking for? Kind regards, Reinier - Original Message - From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com To: lutelist Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 6:46 PM Subject: [LUTE] Milan's tablature? Can anyone think of a source other than Luis Milan in which the tablature uses numbers with the high string at the top? I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but can't recall where? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Milan's tablature?
Dear Stewart, Yes, I am aware of that, but since the original question didn't specify that it should be 'Spanish' tablature (i.e., *with* the zero) I thought this might be the sought-after work. Anyway, I'm not a lutenist (yet) -- so if I talk nonsense please correct me! Best, Reinier - Original Message - From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com To: lutelist Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 6:46 PM Subject: [LUTE] Milan's tablature? Can anyone think of a source other than Luis Milan in which the tablature uses numbers with the high string at the top? I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but can't recall where? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Milan's tablature?
I suppose I would have made it easier for everyone, particularly Reinier de Valk, if I'd asked the actual question I'm trying to answer, which is whether Milan's tablature can correctly be called unique. On May 7, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Stewart McCoy wrote: There are four short pieces for the four-course guitar in Barberiis' _Libro Decimo_ (venice, 1549). The pieces are described as Fantasie per sonar sopra la Chitara da sette corde. The tablature for all the lute pieces in the book is Italian, but it is Spanish/ Milan tablature for the guitar pieces. Thus dispatching unique. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Milan's tablature?
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 7:42 PM, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: I suppose I would have made it easier for everyone, particularly Reinier de Valk, if I'd asked the actual question I'm trying to answer, which is whether Milan's tablature can correctly be called unique. On a side note: when did modern guitar TAB (equals Milan's) arise? David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Milan's tablature?
On a side note: when did modern guitar TAB (equals Milan's) arise? I would say: along with the first hard rock/ heavy metal records, whose listeners wanted to play the music but were too lazy to learn music notation...? ;-) But seriously, that's an interesting question to which I would like to know the answer as well! Best, Reinier (who doesn't mind listening to abovementioned records at all) - Original Message - From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com To: lutelist Net Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 9:42 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Milan's tablature? On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 7:42 PM, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: I suppose I would have made it easier for everyone, particularly Reinier de Valk, if I'd asked the actual question I'm trying to answer, which is whether Milan's tablature can correctly be called unique. On a side note: when did modern guitar TAB (equals Milan's) arise? David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Milan's tablature?
On Thu, May 7, 2009, David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com said: On a side note: when did modern guitar TAB (equals Milan's) arise? I have heard talk of Mel Bay editions. before 1960, which is when I took up guitar. -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Milan's tablature?
Hi, all. I have (somewhere in a pile of music) a publication from about 1900 outlining newly invented character notation for guitar which was essentially modern guitar tab: fret numbers on 6-line staves with (redundantly) parallel staff notation and without (annoyingly) rhythmic notation on the tab. Didn't catch on, though, so had to be reinvented mid-century. Tablature may be the most frequently invented musical notation. Best, and keep playing. Chris. dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us 5/7/2009 4:52 PM On Thu, May 7, 2009, David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com said: On a side note: when did modern guitar TAB (equals Milan's) arise? I have heard talk of Mel Bay editions. before 1960, which is when I took up guitar. -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
