Re: LyX 2.4.0 RC3

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> On Feb 16, 2024, at 12:57 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller  wrote:
> 
> Am Donnerstag, dem 15.02.2024 um 23:53 -0700 schrieb
> list_em...@icloud.com:
>> I found three identical copies of chkconfig.ltx in each of
>> 
>> /Users/me/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.1/chkconfig.ltx
>> /Users/me/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.2/chkconfig.ltx
>> /Users/me/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.3/chkconfig.ltx
>> 
>> 
>> I zipped all of them and trashed the original. Now LyX 2.4.0 RC3 runs
>> great.
>> 
>> Thanks for that tip.
> 
> Glad you solved it.
> 
>> I know how that file got there: LyX put it there. Maybe if the
>> configuration file has changed for 2.4 then it shouldn’t copy old
>> versions.
> 
> The question is how that file ended in the user directory in the first
> place. This should only be in the system directory.
> 
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System directory for me is /Applications/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/ for LyX 
2.4 app and I do see chkconfig.ltx there.

Like you, I have no idea how that file got in the wrong place.

Thanks for your help.

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Re: LyX 2.4.0 RC3

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Sorry for the slow response.

Running from a terminal indeed showed repeated configuration runs. Near the top 
of the first run (and only the first run) were these lines:

+Running LyX configure with Python 3.9.18
Checking for upgrade from previous version.
Found directory "/Users/me/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.3".
Skip cache /Users/me/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.3/cache
Content copied from directory "/Users/me/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.3”.

I found three identical copies of chkconfig.ltx in each of

/Users/me/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.1/chkconfig.ltx
/Users/me/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.2/chkconfig.ltx
/Users/me/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.3/chkconfig.ltx


I zipped all of them and trashed the original. Now LyX 2.4.0 RC3 runs great.

Thanks for that tip.

I know how that file got there: LyX put it there. Maybe if the configuration 
file has changed for 2.4 then it shouldn’t copy old versions.

Note that 2.4 apparently just copies a bunch of stuff from the 2.3 directory 
because now there is this file:

/Users/me/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.4/chkconfig.ltx.zip

which is obviously a copy of the file that I zipped, likely from the 
corresponding 2.3 directory.

There is now no chkconfig.ltx in the 2.4 directory.

Jerry



> On Feb 14, 2024, at 4:13 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller  wrote:
> 
> Am Montag, dem 12.02.2024 um 22:59 -0700 schrieb list_em...@icloud.com:
>> I’m sorry to report continuing problems on macOS 12.7.2, Monterey
>> with LyX 2.4.0 RC3.
>> 
>> Hangs (pinwheel) on first launch with only Apple and LyX menu items,
>> then same on second launch.  Very low CPU and memory use. Force quit
>> both.
>> 
>> Deleted /Users/me/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.4/
>> 
>> Re-launch. Opens “Welcome to LyX!”. Then I did Document -> View ->
>> (PDF (pdflatex)). No PDF is created. Instead, rapid looping of some
>> messages in the status bar, apparently involved with TeX stuff, such
>> as “Indexing TeX files… .” Document -> Cancel Export has no effect.
>> At the same time, about 24 files are being written or modified in 
>> /Users/me/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.4/ every 1-3 seconds. I
>> am able to capture the contents of e.g. configure.log. Attempt to
>> quit normally causes this dialog: " LyX could not be closed because
>> documents are being processed by LyX.”
>> 
>> Force quit again.
>> 
>> Re-launch. Hangs as on first launch; no Welcome.
>> 
>> Re-boot. Same sort of behavior. Safe boot. Same: Sometimes opens
>> Welcome then hangs. Sometimes doesn’t finish drawing menu bar and
>> hangs. Sometimes opens Welcome and hangs when trying to open a new
>> file. Can no longer get to where I can attempt to make a PDF.
> 
> Can you open LyX from a Terminal window and observe the output? Is it
> possible that the configuration of LyX gets repeatedly run in a loop? 
> 
> I have had that when I first installed 2.4.x without version suffix,
> and it turned out I had an old version of chkconfig.ltx in my personal
> LyX directory (no idea how it ended there). As the configure syntax
> significantly changed, this broke configuration. Removing the file
> fixed the issue for me.
> 
> Maybe LyX 2.4 also accesses some outdated configuration files in your
> case. Or the configuration (or some conversion) fails for another
> reason.
> 
> Terminal output might help us pinpointing the issue.
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Re: LyX 2.4.0 RC3

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Sorry. Where does LyX look for Python? Possibly different place than shell. 
We’ve gone through this before, a few weeks ago, with RC1.

Jerry

> On Feb 13, 2024, at 3:49 PM, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
> 
> $ python
> Python 3.9.18 (main, Aug 25 2023, 16:45:52) 
> [Clang 13.1.6 (clang-1316.0.21.2.5)] on darwin
> 
> Jerry
> 
>> On Feb 13, 2024, at 10:21 AM, Dr Eberhard Lisse  wrote:
>> 
>> Is Python3 installed?
>> 
>> el
>> 
>> On 2024-02-13 07:59 , list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
>>> I’m sorry to report continuing problems on macOS 12.7.2, Monterey
>>> with LyX 2.4.0 RC3.
>>> 
>>> Hangs (pinwheel) on first launch with only Apple and LyX menu items,
>>> then same on second launch.  Very low CPU and memory use. Force quit
>>> both.
>> [...]
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Re: LyX 2.4.0 RC3

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$ python
Python 3.9.18 (main, Aug 25 2023, 16:45:52) 
[Clang 13.1.6 (clang-1316.0.21.2.5)] on darwin

Jerry

> On Feb 13, 2024, at 10:21 AM, Dr Eberhard Lisse  wrote:
> 
> Is Python3 installed?
> 
> el
> 
> On 2024-02-13 07:59 , list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
>> I’m sorry to report continuing problems on macOS 12.7.2, Monterey
>> with LyX 2.4.0 RC3.
>> 
>> Hangs (pinwheel) on first launch with only Apple and LyX menu items,
>> then same on second launch.  Very low CPU and memory use. Force quit
>> both.
> [...]
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Re: LyX 2.4.0 RC3

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I’m sorry to report continuing problems on macOS 12.7.2, Monterey with LyX 
2.4.0 RC3.

Hangs (pinwheel) on first launch with only Apple and LyX menu items, then same 
on second launch.  Very low CPU and memory use. Force quit both.

Deleted /Users/me/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.4/

Re-launch. Opens “Welcome to LyX!”. Then I did Document -> View -> (PDF 
(pdflatex)). No PDF is created. Instead, rapid looping of some messages in the 
status bar, apparently involved with TeX stuff, such as “Indexing TeX files… .” 
Document -> Cancel Export has no effect. At the same time, about 24 files are 
being written or modified in  /Users/me/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.4/ 
every 1-3 seconds. I am able to capture the contents of e.g. configure.log. 
Attempt to quit normally causes this dialog: " LyX could not be closed because 
documents are being processed by LyX.”

Force quit again.

Re-launch. Hangs as on first launch; no Welcome.

Re-boot. Same sort of behavior. Safe boot. Same: Sometimes opens Welcome then 
hangs. Sometimes doesn’t finish drawing menu bar and hangs. Sometimes opens 
Welcome and hangs when trying to open a new file. Can no longer get to where I 
can attempt to make a PDF.

LyX 2,3.7 built with MacPorts still works fine.

Jerry


> On Feb 11, 2024, at 2:41 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck  wrote:
> 
> The third release candidate for 2.4.0 is available here:
> 
> http://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.4/
> 
> The reason for the quick release of the third one was a bug preventing the 
> editing of math in tables. That has been fixed, as has been another bug 
> affecting the creation of LyX 'archives' on Windows.
> 
> Please report any problems to lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org, which you should be 
> able to do by replying to this message.
> 
> Riki
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Re: 2.4.0~RC1 hangs on macOS

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> On Jan 25, 2024, at 4:01 AM, José Matos  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 2024-01-25 at 03:26 -0700, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
>> I did
>> 
>> ln -s /opt/local/bin/python3 /usr/local/bin/python3
>> 
>> and had the same results _except_ for the _first_ time I tried to run
>> with this link, the OS asked permission to access files in my
>> Documents folder—this is normal these days when running a program for
>> the first time, apparently a part of Apple’s security measures.
>> Subsequent runs did _not_ ask this question, and at that point
>> behavior was the same as before, including the lilypond nonsense
>> output when running from a terminal.
>> 
>> Jerry
> 
> I am not sure if that is related but let us try to get this first:
> 
> What do you get from the command line?
> 
> $ lilypond --version
> 
$ lilypond --version
-bash: lilypond: command not found

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Re: 2.4.0~RC1 hangs on macOS

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I did

ln -s /opt/local/bin/python3 /usr/local/bin/python3

and had the same results _except_ for the _first_ time I tried to run with this 
link, the OS asked permission to access files in my Documents folder—this is 
normal these days when running a program for the first time, apparently a part 
of Apple’s security measures. Subsequent runs did _not_ ask this question, and 
at that point behavior was the same as before, including the lilypond nonsense 
output when running from a terminal.

Jerry

> On Jan 24, 2024, at 1:51 AM, Dr Eberhard Lisse  wrote:
> 
> An alias is only evaluated by the shell, so you could always either
> 
>   ln -fs /opt/local/bin/python3 /usr/local/bin/python3
>   ln -fs /opt/local/bin/python3 /usr/local/bin/python
> 
> and see if that works.
> 
> There is a way of setting environment variables like PATH with launchctl
> so that Apps can find it but I don't know if that works for aliases.
> 
> And of course you can use the full path of python in the converters
> 
> el
> 
> On 2024-01-24 09:48 , list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
>> Thanks, el.
>> 
>> Getting rid of macports for homebrew is not an option for me.
>> 
>> In my profile file, I have this:
>> 
>> alias python=/opt/local/bin/python3
>> 
>> which is macports. Does LyX see this? This alias points to Python 3.9.18. 
>> There is a utility to switch to other versions.
>> 
>> I already have the command line tools installed, with Python 3.9.6 at 
>> /usr/bin/phython3.
>> 
>> I just now tried switching to this line in my profile file:
>> 
>> alias python=/usr/bin/python3
>> 
>> with the same result.
>> 
>> Remember that LyX 2.3.7 works fine.
>> 
>> Jerry
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Re: 2.4.0~RC1 hangs on macOS

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Thanks, el.

Getting rid of macports for homebrew is not an option for me.

In my profile file, I have this:

alias python=/opt/local/bin/python3

which is macports. Does LyX see this? This alias points to Python 3.9.18. There 
is a utility to switch to other versions.

I already have the command line tools installed, with Python 3.9.6 at 
/usr/bin/phython3.

I just now tried switching to this line in my profile file:

alias python=/usr/bin/python3

with the same result.

Remember that LyX 2.3.7 works fine.

Jerry

> On Jan 24, 2024, at 12:10 AM, Dr Eberhard Lisse  wrote:
> 
> Unload the macports python and install the XCode Command line tools
> which has Python 3.9.6 in /usr/bin/python3.
> 
> If that works, perhaps even unload Macports and install Homebrew. If
> you have many packages installed, make a list.
> 
> I use Homebrew including basictex (plus some addtional stuff) and copied
> 2.4 RC1 over the 2.3.7 provided from Homebrew. On Ventura and Sonoma (on
> the latter on Intel and Silicon)
> 
> greetings, el
> 
> On 2024-01-24 01:51 , list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
> [...]
 While LyX is hanging as above, Activity Monitor indicates that 
 LyX has launched one instance of Python and repeatedly launches 
 and stops a second instance. My current Python is 3.9 but 
 versions up to 3.12 are installed by macports.
 
 LyX 2.3.7 still works. I notice that I got this version through 
 MacPorts.
 
 I just now updated all my macports stuff which includes Python 
 and texlive. 2.4 still hangs on launch.
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Re: 2.4.0~RC1 hangs on macOS

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Main notes listed inline below.
Jerry

> On Jan 20, 2024, at 11:14 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck  
> wrote:
> 
> On 1/20/24 18:08, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
>> Thanks, el.
>> 
>> I did as you suggested but there was no improvement and little change to the 
>> problem. As the rapidly cycling status messages continue in the Welcome 
>> file, I am able to start a new file and make a PDF of it. But I can’t close 
>> either the new (unsaved) file or the Welcome file because it says it can’t 
>> quit because of a background process. Normal quitting method has the same 
>> result. Clicking on the spinning circle or red dot has no effect. I tried 
>> this multiple times, each time deleting the Support file as you suggested.
>> 
>> Next, I deleted the app as well as these:
>> 
>> org.lyx.LyX-2.4.plist
>> org.lyx.lyx.plist
>> org.lyx.lyx.savedState (a folder)
>> 
>> and re-downloaded and re-launched the app. Now the behavior is worse, 
>> getting only the app main menu with Apple logo and “LyX” item, and then 
>> nothing but pinwheeling. It doesn’t even open the Welcome file or finish 
>> drawing the main menu. I put the three deleted items back but it still hangs 
>> on launch. Definitely going in the wrong direction here.
>> 
>> While LyX is hanging as above, Activity Monitor indicates that LyX has 
>> launched one instance of Python and repeatedly launches and stops a second 
>> instance. My current Python is 3.9 but versions up to 3.12 are installed by 
>> macports.
>> 
>> LyX 2.3.7 still works. I notice that I got this version through MacPorts.
>> 
>> I just now updated all my macports stuff which includes Python and texlive. 
>> 2.4 still hangs on launch.
> 
> I'm going to guess a few things here.
> 
> I guess the first problem is the hanging on launch. LyX can seem to hang when 
> it's reconfiguring. Deleting the user directory will have forced this. One 
> symptom of this would be seeing various LaTeX-related processes being called 
> over and over again.

I have (now) had LyX hanging on launch for about two hours with the behavior 
described earlier. I see two Pythons which re-launch every few seconds. I also 
see pdftex starting and quitting every few seconds. For the pdftex process, 
Activity Monitor lists a Python as the parent process and the Process Group as 
LyX.
> 
> If you can get LyX to launch, then we need to find out what this process is 
> that's stopping LyX from closing. Do you have images in the documents you're 
> opening? Lots of math? If the latter, are you using math preview? Or is this 
> just a basic document?

As above, LyX won’t finish launching. I believe it is trying to open only the 
Welcome file. There is a slight possibility that it is also trying to open a 
test document that I tried earlier (and described earlier in this thread) but 
which was open when I force-quit LyX but had not been saved to disk. This test 
was only a default new file with only a few words of text, which at the time 
did create a PDF.
> 
> Another possibility is that the PDF creation process is not exiting properly. 
> I'm not sure how to debug that. Again, a symptom would be some LaTeX process 
> still running.
> 
> One thing that might help (with both problems) is if you could start LyX from 
> a terminal and post the output. This should let us see what processes LyX is 
> launching, and where things are getting stuck.

OK. See the attached text file. This is a portion of the output after maybe 
five seconds. This portion, beginning with

LyX: reconfiguring user directory

repeats about once a second or two. I suppose this is the same frequency as the 
Python and pdftex repeating things mentioned above.

The only thing that I see odd in this output is that it does not see my Firefox 
or BibDesk apps.

Jerry

MBP:~ me$ /Applications/LyX.app/Contents/MacOS/lyx
qt.qpa.fonts: Populating font family aliases took 250 ms. Replace uses of 
missing font family "Serif" with one that exists to avoid this cost. 
LyX: reconfiguring user directory
+Running LyX configure with Python 3.9.18
checking for a Latex2e program...
+checking for "latex"...  yes
checking for pLaTeX, the Japanese LaTeX...
+checking for "platex"...  not in path
checking for a java interpreter...
+checking for "java"...  yes
checking for a perl interpreter...
+checking for "perl"...  yes
checking for xsltproc...
+checking for "xsltproc"...  yes
Could not find Inkscape binary.
/bin/sh: inkscape-binary: command not found
checking for a Tgif viewer and editor...
+checking for "tgif"...  no
checking for a FIG viewer and editor...
+checking for "xfig"...  no
+checking for "jfig3-itext.jar"...  no
+checking for "jfig3.jar"...  no
checking for a Dia viewer and editor...
+checking for "dia"...  no
checking for an OpenDocument drawing viewer and editor...
+checking for "libreoffice"...  no
+checking for "lodraw"...  no
+checking for "ooffice"...  no
+checking for "oodraw"...  no
+checking for "soffice"...  no
checking for a Grace viewer and editor...

Re: 2.4.0~RC1 hangs on macOS

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Thanks, el.

I did as you suggested but there was no improvement and little change to the 
problem. As the rapidly cycling status messages continue in the Welcome file, I 
am able to start a new file and make a PDF of it. But I can’t close either the 
new (unsaved) file or the Welcome file because it says it can’t quit because of 
a background process. Normal quitting method has the same result. Clicking on 
the spinning circle or red dot has no effect. I tried this multiple times, each 
time deleting the Support file as you suggested.

Next, I deleted the app as well as these:

org.lyx.LyX-2.4.plist
org.lyx.lyx.plist
org.lyx.lyx.savedState (a folder)

and re-downloaded and re-launched the app. Now the behavior is worse, getting 
only the app main menu with Apple logo and “LyX” item, and then nothing but 
pinwheeling. It doesn’t even open the Welcome file or finish drawing the main 
menu. I put the three deleted items back but it still hangs on launch. 
Definitely going in the wrong direction here.

While LyX is hanging as above, Activity Monitor indicates that LyX has launched 
one instance of Python and repeatedly launches and stops a second instance. My 
current Python is 3.9 but versions up to 3.12 are installed by macports.

LyX 2.3.7 still works. I notice that I got this version through MacPorts.

I just now updated all my macports stuff which includes Python and texlive. 2.4 
still hangs on launch.

Jerry

> On Jan 18, 2024, at 11:34 AM, Eberhard W Lisse  wrote:
> 
> Works here, on Sonoma both Intel and Silicon, and Monterey (12.7.2).
> 
> I would propose:
> 
>   rm ~/Library/Application\ Support/LyX-2.4
> 
> the double click on the LyX icon in /Applications, wait until it is
> finished. Quit normally and then double click on a .lyx file.
> 
> greetings, el
> 
> On 18/01/2024 10:47, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
>> I downloaded LyX 2.4.0~RC1 just now, copied to /Applications on macOS
>> 12.7.2. The “default” file opened telling me how great LyX is (I
>> already knew). There was a rapidly repeating series of messages in
>> the status bar--something about indexing and then looking for font
>> Minion etc. After a while I clicked on a red circle with a white “x”
>> in it but nothing happened. I started a new file, typed one sentence
>> into it, and it successfully made a PDF. When I tried to close the
>> new file window LyX refused saying it was busy with a background
>> process. Same when I tried to quit normally, Command-Q. After about
>> five minutes I force-quit LyX. Double-clicked to re-launch, got Apple
>> menu item and LyX menu item and then got a hang (pinwheel, system log
>> report). Had to force-quit again. Repeated attempts to re-launch are
>> the same.
>> 
>> Jerry
>> 
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2.4.0~RC1 hangs on macOS

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I downloaded LyX 2.4.0~RC1 just now, copied to /Applications on macOS 12.7.2. 
The “default” file opened telling me how great LyX is (I already knew). There 
was a rapidly repeating series of messages in the status bar--something about 
indexing and then looking for font Minion etc. After a while I clicked on a red 
circle with a white “x” in it but nothing happened. I started a new file, typed 
one sentence into it, and it successfully made a PDF. When I tried to close the 
new file window LyX refused saying it was busy with a background process. Same 
when I tried to quit normally, Command-Q. After about five minutes I force-quit 
LyX. Double-clicked to re-launch, got Apple menu item and LyX menu item and 
then got a hang (pinwheel, system log report). Had to force-quit again. 
Repeated attempts to re-launch are the same.

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Is LyX from macports workable?

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[Sorry if this is a duplicate. Yesterday’s post hasn’t appeared yet.]

I have always downloaded LyX for Mac from lyx.org but I’m thinking of trying to 
install from macports.org. LyX there seems to be well-maintained. I wonder if 
there would be any issues given that I have used the lyx.org version in the 
past. Would the macports version find my current preferences file? I will be 
installing macports from scratch on an Apple Silicon machine.

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Is LyX from macports.org workable?

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I have always downloaded LyX for Mac from lyx.org but I’m thinking of trying to 
install from macports.org. LyX there seems to be well-maintained. I wonder if 
there would be any issues given that I have used the lyx.org version in the 
past. Would the macports version find my current preferences file? I will be 
installing macports from scratch on an Apple Silicon machine.

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Bad link for downloads; Apple Silicon

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On the LyX download page, I believe the link for macOS Legacy 2.3.6.2 points to 
the wrong place. The link is

https://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/lyx/bin/2.3.6/LyX-2.3.6.2+qt5-12-x86_64-cocoa.dmg

and I think it should be

https://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/lyx/bin/2.3.6/LyX-2.3.6.2+qt5-legacy-x86_64-cocoa.dmg.

BTW, what is “legacy?” I gather it is made using an older version of the macOS 
frameworks. If so, THANK YOU for doing this. My Mac refuses to break and I 
refuse to buy a new until it does (or Apple Silicon comes in my size) and Apple 
doesn’t support a newer OS so I’m stuck at macOS 10.11.6.

Since we’re on the subject, what is the future of LyX on Apple Silicon? Rosetta 
2? Native? Qt issues?

Jerry

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Re: Reverse search with Skim broken again

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> On Jun 2, 2019, at 2:50 AM, Enrico Forestieri  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Jun 01, 2019 at 02:30:30PM -0700, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
>> 
>> I found the problem—it was a broken LyX pipe or something like that.
>> (I don’t understand this well.) I discovered that when LyX quit it was
>> leaving .lyxpipe.in and .lyxpipe.out and the LyX wiki says that these
>> should be deleted when LyX quit.
>> 
>> How did I figure this out? I was using BibDesk (Mac GUI for BibTeX)
>> and the “Send to LyX” command. It failed with a very specific error
>> dialog about the LyX pipe. So I figured that Skim must do something
>> similar.
>> 
>> Is it possible to have LyX also provide a helpful error dialog when
>> there are pipe problems instead of just failing quietly?
> 
> LyX detects dangling pipes on start and automatically deletes them.
> I don't know why this mechanism was not working for you.
> 
> -- 
> Enrico

I don’t either, but thanks for the answer.
Jerry

Re: Reverse search with Skim broken again

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> On May 1, 2019, at 3:15 AM, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
> 
> I once again find that reverse search using Skim and LyX on macOS doesn’t 
> work. LyX 2.3.2, Skim 1.4.40. Forward search works but when reverse search is 
> attempted, LyX moves to the front but does not move the cursor and does not 
> scroll the window contents.
> 
> I don’t remember when this last worked but it was on the order of weeks ago. 
> I don’t remember when I updated LyX to 2.3.2.
> 
> LyX is at /Applications/Lyx.app
> 
> Skim is at /Applications/PDF_Viewers/Skim.app
> 
> I have read and re-read the list thread from March 14, 2018, and the wiki at 
> https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/SyncTeX. I’m stumped. This was working not long ago 
> and nothing has changed to my knowledge. However, I did notice that
> 
> Document > Settings > Formats > check Synchronize with output
> 
> somehow got checked off. Dunno how. No clue. Same document.
> 
> So here are my settings, stepping through the wiki steps:
> 
> 
> Setting up LyX
> 
>• In Document > Settings > Formats, check Synchronize with output [DONE]
> 
>• If your viewer needs another output format than \synctex=-1 (which is 
> the default), select it or insert it in "Custom Macro” [BLANK—THIS IS THE 
> DEFAULT I GUESS]
> 
>• Modify Preferences > Output > General > PDF command for your PDF viewer 
> (see the viewer-specific notes below)
> 
> 
> Skim
> 
> In LyX,
> 
>• LyX > Preferences > Output > General > PDF command: 
> /Applications/PDF_Viewers/Skim.app/Contents/SharedSupport/displayline $$n $$o 
> $$t [DONE AS INDICATED HERE]
> 
> In Skim:
> 
>• Skim PDF-TeX Sync setting: Custom [DONE]
> 
>• command: /Applications/LyX.app/Contents/MacOS/lyxeditor [DONE]
> 
>• arguments: "%file" %line; /usr/bin/osascript -e 'tell application "LyX" 
> to activate'
> [DONE]

I found the problem—it was a broken LyX pipe or something like that. (I don’t 
understand this well.) I discovered that when LyX quit it was leaving 
.lyxpipe.in and .lyxpipe.out and the LyX wiki says that these should be deleted 
when LyX quit.

How did I figure this out? I was using BibDesk (Mac GUI for BibTeX) and the 
“Send to LyX” command. It failed with a very specific error dialog about the 
LyX pipe. So I figured that Skim must do something similar.

Is it possible to have LyX also provide a helpful error dialog when there are 
pipe problems instead of just failing quietly?

Jerry

Reverse search with Skim broken again

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I once again find that reverse search using Skim and LyX on macOS doesn’t work. 
LyX 2.3.2, Skim 1.4.40. Forward search works but when reverse search is 
attempted, LyX moves to the front but does not move the cursor and does not 
scroll the window contents.

I don’t remember when this last worked but it was on the order of weeks ago. I 
don’t remember when I updated LyX to 2.3.2.

LyX is at /Applications/Lyx.app

Skim is at /Applications/PDF_Viewers/Skim.app

I have read and re-read the list thread from March 14, 2018, and the wiki at 
https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/SyncTeX. I’m stumped. This was working not long ago 
and nothing has changed to my knowledge. However, I did notice that

Document > Settings > Formats > check Synchronize with output

somehow got checked off. Dunno how. No clue. Same document.

So here are my settings, stepping through the wiki steps:


Setting up LyX

• In Document > Settings > Formats, check Synchronize with output [DONE]

• If your viewer needs another output format than \synctex=-1 (which is the 
default), select it or insert it in "Custom Macro” [BLANK—THIS IS THE DEFAULT I 
GUESS]

• Modify Preferences > Output > General > PDF command for your PDF viewer 
(see the viewer-specific notes below)


Skim

In LyX,

• LyX > Preferences > Output > General > PDF command: 
/Applications/PDF_Viewers/Skim.app/Contents/SharedSupport/displayline $$n $$o 
$$t [DONE AS INDICATED HERE]

In Skim:

• Skim PDF-TeX Sync setting: Custom [DONE]

• command: /Applications/LyX.app/Contents/MacOS/lyxeditor [DONE]

• arguments: "%file" %line; /usr/bin/osascript -e 'tell application "LyX" 
to activate'
[DONE]

How to use "abstract" package in LyX

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This is going to get a little messy. Could be LaTeX-related but I can’t figure 
out how to untangle the ERT I’m trying from the LyX file.

I’m using Article (Standard Class) with a non-default font in two-column mode. 
I would like a nice one-column abstract that has a little wider margins than 
the main body. The abstract package

http://mirror.las.iastate.edu/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/abstract/abstract.pdf

promises to do the job.

I’ve put the  \usepackage{abstract} line in the LaTeX preamble under 
Document->Settings. Then, trying to mimic the simple example at the above link, 
I inserted the ERT as such:

\twocolumn[
\maketitle
\begin{onecolabstract}
Abstract text...
\end{onecolabstract}
]
\saythanks

Things go wrong. (1) The title, author, and date are correctly placed on the 
first page, along with a footnote associate with the author’s name—footnote 
contains e-mail address etc. There is nothing else on this first page! It is 
mostly white space. On the second page the abstract (one column, inset margins, 
smaller font, “Abstract” title, everything nice) correctly appears, followed by 
the body of the paper in two columns as expected. But (2) the same “author” 
footnote appears at the bottom of the first column of this second page.

I looked at the LaTeX export and saw a snippet that looks like this:

\maketitle
\twocolumn[
\maketitle
\begin{onecolabstract}
Abstract text...
\end{onecolabstract}
]
\saythanks

The \maketitle appears twice. If I delete the second one, the one inside the 
twocolumn command that I inserted from LyX as ERT, nothing changes. However, if 
I put that back in and delete the first \maketitle, _the one inserted into the 
LaTeX by LyX_, I get a properly rendered document.

So this is why I’m posting to this list. How do I prevent LyX from inserting 
the first \maketitle? Or am I misusing this package? 

Jerry

Re: Cross Reference dialog box is wider than my screen

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> On Jul 25, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Richard Kimberly Heck  wrote:
> 
> On 07/24/2018 06:57 PM, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
>> This is an old problem that I know I filed a ticket on years ago. The dialog 
>> for Cross References attempts to display the entire path to the file in a 
>> pop-up menu, regardless of how long the file path is. At the same time, in 
>> an attempt to display the long pop-up menu item, the width of the dialog box 
>> is adjusted, apparently without limit. The width can easily exceed the width 
>> of the screen. The user can, with patience, drag the dialog box so that the 
>> right edge is visible and can thus click on OK or Cancel or Apply, but 
>> attempts to drag the right side of the box to the left and thus make the box 
>> narrower, fail, as resizing is not allowed. This behavior persists even if 
>> the current file path is not long, but a previously opened long file path 
>> remains as a pop-up option. (Why do old file names live in this menu anyway?)
>> 
>> This isn’t how things are supposed to work. A long string for a pop-up menu 
>> item is supposed to be truncated and terminated with an ellipse, …, and 
>> hovering over the truncated string should show a tooltip with the entire 
>> string.
> 
> Please file a bug report for this: https://www.lyx.org/trac/newticket

https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/9316
Four years ago.
Jerry
> 
> Riki
> 
>> 
>> Jerry
>> 

Re: Cross Reference dialog box is wider than my screen (2nd attempt, w/attachment)

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> On Jul 25, 2018, at 1:01 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller  wrote:
> 
> Am Dienstag, den 24.07.2018, 16:05 -0700 schrieb list_em...@icloud.com:
>> This is an old problem that I know I filed a ticket on years ago. 
> 
> You remember which?

https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/9316
> 
>> The dialog for Cross References attempts to display the entire path
>> to the file in a pop-up menu, regardless of how long the file path
>> is. At the same time, in an attempt to display the long pop-up menu
>> item, the width of the dialog box is adjusted, apparently without
>> limit. The width can easily exceed the width of the screen. The user
>> can, with patience, drag the dialog box so that the right edge is
>> visible and can thus click on OK or Cancel or Apply, but attempts to
>> drag the right side of the box to the left and thus make the box
>> narrower, fail, as resizing is not allowed. This behavior persists
>> even if the current file path is not long, but a previously opened
>> long file path remains as a pop-up option. 
> 
> Interesting. Here (Linux, LyX 2.3.1svn), the path is truncated. Which
> version of LyX is that?

2.3.0
> 
>> (Why do old file names live in this menu anyway?)
> 
> These are only all opened buffers (including those opened in "hidden"
> state).
> 
>> This isn’t how things are supposed to work. A long string for a pop-
>> up menu item is supposed to be truncated and terminated with an
>> ellipse, …, and hovering over the truncated string should show a
>> tooltip with the entire string.
> 
> I agree. Maybe some Mac-specific problem?
> 
> Jürgen
> 
>> 
>> Jerry
>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: Forward and reverse search failing (again?) on 2.3.0rc

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> On Mar 14, 2018, at 9:41 PM, Joel Kulesza  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 10:40 PM, Joel Kulesza  > wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Stephan Witt  > wrote:
> Am 14.03.2018 um 21:54 schrieb list_em...@icloud.com 
> :
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 14, 2018, at 6:17 AM, Joel Kulesza  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 4:00 AM,  >> > wrote:
> >>> I’m confused. Is it working for you or not?
> >>
> >> It does not work insofar as nothing happens other than Skim opening with 
> >> the PDF when I click the preview eyeballs.  It doesn't move the document 
> >> to a particular point nor display the type of markup you described.
> >>
> >> I'll respond later in detail to Stephan's post regarding what I did to set 
> >> it up and what I ultimately experience (in both 2.2.3 and 2.3.0).
> >>
> >
> > OK. I have egg on my face. (I don’t know if that translates into your 
> > slang. 8^) First, I was not receiving all the list mail, only yours. I just 
> > now fixed my list subscription. Second and more important, as told in 
> > Stephan’s note, I did not have the document setting for “Synchronize with 
> > output” turned on.
> 
> To be honest - it was Pavel who mentioned it first. I’ve luckily repeated 
> this to make a self contained recipe. :)
> 
> > I guess I didn’t realize that setting was per-document. SORRY everyone. 
> > With that turned on, syncing is working. The only problem that I see is 
> > that with reverse search, the Skim document window is not brought to the 
> > front—but the scrolling and highlighting does happen. Not sure that’s a LyX 
> > problem though—could be the OS or Skim not sending the right (Applescipt?) 
> > command.
> 
> You want LyX front-most when doing the Command-Shift click in Skim? I think 
> this may be a legal enhancement request for LyX.
> 
> The work-around is to add custom arguments in Skim (I’ve grabbed it from LyX 
> wiki):
> 
> For standard LyX enter:
> "%file" %line ; /usr/bin/osascript -e 'tell application "LyX" to activate'
> 
> For custom command e.g.:
> /path/to/LyX.app/Contents/MacOS/lyxeditor "%file" %line ; /usr/bin/osascript 
> -e 'tell application "LyX" to activate‘
> 
> Stephan
> 
> > Still, though, I first tested with the default document when selecting File 
> > -> New which is “Article (Standard Class)” and the “Synchronize with 
> > output” setting is already checked, by default. My mistake then I suppose 
> > was assuming that this would then happen with the IEEE template but that is 
> > a bad assumption.
> >
> > Sorry again for the hassle and thanks as usual for all the friendly help.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> 
> My experiences and thoughts after experimenting with this:
> I've tried to configure forward/reverse search with LyX+Skim (LyX installed 
> from lyx.org  and Skim installed via brew cask install) on 
> two separate machines using 2.3.0rc2.  I've gotten only reverse searching 
> working.  I do not have anything that indicates that forward searching is 
> functional.  Can someone please post a screencast showing what correct 
> forward search looks like so I know what to look for?
> On one machine that reverse search works, both LyX and Skim are installed to 
> /Applications.  On the other, they are installed to /local. For the /local 
> installations, I had to use a custom Skim preference providing the full path 
> to lyxeditor and the osascript append that Stephan copied from the wiki to 
> get reverse search working.
> Jerry noted that he overlooked the fact that PDF synchronization is per 
> document.  I admit that I also overlooked this for some time.  One possible 
> reason: I think the WIki page at https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/SyncTeX 
>  has this step mislabeled.  It says 
> "Document > Settings > Output", which I mistook for LyX>Preferences>Output 
> rather than Document>Settings>Formats.  If folks agree that the Wiki is 
> mislabeled, I can correct this.  However, perhaps someone with working 
> forward and reverse searching can create a formulaic write-up giving the 
> steps necessary to setup LyX from a fresh install and a document without 
> synchronization enabled.  It would be helpful (to me, at least) if the 
> write-up gave absolute paths/caveats for non-standard LyX and Skim (or other 
> viewer) locations.  
> The steps I used to configure the two applications are as follows (note that 
> I totally removed LyX 2.3.0rc2 and Skim.app and the associated preferences 
> (~/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.3 and 
> ~/Library/Preferences/net.sourceforge.skim-app*) before proceeding.  Please 
> let me know what step is incorrect or missing to get synchronization / 
> forward search working.
> Install LyX 2.3.0rc2 from UCSD mirror 
> (ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/LyX/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
>  
> 

Cross Reference dialog box is wider than my screen

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This is an old problem that I know I filed a ticket on years ago. The dialog 
for Cross References attempts to display the entire path to the file in a 
pop-up menu, regardless of how long the file path is. At the same time, in an 
attempt to display the long pop-up menu item, the width of the dialog box is 
adjusted, apparently without limit. The width can easily exceed the width of 
the screen. The user can, with patience, drag the dialog box so that the right 
edge is visible and can thus click on OK or Cancel or Apply, but attempts to 
drag the right side of the box to the left and thus make the box narrower, 
fail, as resizing is not allowed. This behavior persists even if the current 
file path is not long, but a previously opened long file path remains as a 
pop-up option. (Why do old file names live in this menu anyway?)

This isn’t how things are supposed to work. A long string for a pop-up menu 
item is supposed to be truncated and terminated with an ellipse, …, and 
hovering over the truncated string should show a tooltip with the entire string.

Jerry

Some (old?) math display problems

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LyX Version 2.3.0
macOS 10.11.6

I’m back to writing again and I think I’m seeing some old friends that I would 
rather not see. Maybe someone can suggest work-arounds. These relate to math.

When I enter one or more inline math things in a paragraph and then hit RETURN 
to start a new paragraph, the Equations part of the Outline pane shows an empty 
set of parentheses, (), for each inline math thing. Since they don’t show any 
useful information, just (), I think this is not good. Oddly, closing and 
re-opening the file makes them disappear from the panel.

With Instant Preview on, each new numbered display equation, after rendering to 
the “preview” state, is shown numbered as equation 1. Again, after closing and 
re-opening the document, the previews show the correct equation number.

Again with Instant Preview on, equation labels are shown in a box on their own 
line below the equation. But if the label is more than a few characters long 
and if my window or split is set to say 50% of the width of my laptop’s screen, 
the label is clipped on the right, not displaying the entire label. I notice a 
polite vertical line of red dots at the place that this happens but the 
clipping is still present. Yet,there is a section of unused white space to the 
left of the label—the label could be moved left and enjoy a much larger area.

Jerry

Re: Forward and reverse search failing (again?) on 2.3.0rc

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> On Mar 14, 2018, at 2:11 PM, Stephan Witt  wrote:
> 
> Am 14.03.2018 um 21:54 schrieb list_em...@icloud.com:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2018, at 6:17 AM, Joel Kulesza  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 4:00 AM,  wrote:
 I’m confused. Is it working for you or not?
>>> 
>>> It does not work insofar as nothing happens other than Skim opening with 
>>> the PDF when I click the preview eyeballs.  It doesn't move the document to 
>>> a particular point nor display the type of markup you described.
>>> 
>>> I'll respond later in detail to Stephan's post regarding what I did to set 
>>> it up and what I ultimately experience (in both 2.2.3 and 2.3.0).
>>> 
>> 
>> OK. I have egg on my face. (I don’t know if that translates into your slang. 
>> 8^) First, I was not receiving all the list mail, only yours. I just now 
>> fixed my list subscription. Second and more important, as told in Stephan’s 
>> note, I did not have the document setting for “Synchronize with output” 
>> turned on.
> 
> To be honest - it was Pavel who mentioned it first. I’ve luckily repeated 
> this to make a self contained recipe. :)
> 
>> I guess I didn’t realize that setting was per-document. SORRY everyone. With 
>> that turned on, syncing is working. The only problem that I see is that with 
>> reverse search, the Skim document window is not brought to the front—but the 
>> scrolling and highlighting does happen. Not sure that’s a LyX problem 
>> though—could be the OS or Skim not sending the right (Applescipt?) command.
> 
> You want LyX front-most when doing the Command-Shift click in Skim?

To be a bit more exact, I want LyX to _become_ front-most _after_ Command-Shift 
click in Skim.

> I think this may be a legal enhancement request for LyX. 

Should I make a ticket?
> 
> The work-around is to add custom arguments in Skim (I’ve grabbed it from LyX 
> wiki):
> 
> For standard LyX enter:
> "%file" %line ; /usr/bin/osascript -e 'tell application "LyX" to activate'
> 
> For custom command e.g.:
> /path/to/LyX.app/Contents/MacOS/lyxeditor "%file" %line ; /usr/bin/osascript 
> -e 'tell application "LyX" to activate’

Excellent! Thanks!
Jerry

> Stephan
> 
>> Still, though, I first tested with the default document when selecting File 
>> -> New which is “Article (Standard Class)” and the “Synchronize with output” 
>> setting is already checked, by default. My mistake then I suppose was 
>> assuming that this would then happen with the IEEE template but that is a 
>> bad assumption.
>> 
>> Sorry again for the hassle and thanks as usual for all the friendly help.
>> 
>> Jerry
>> 
> 

Re: Forward and reverse search failing (again?) on 2.3.0rc

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> On Mar 14, 2018, at 6:17 AM, Joel Kulesza  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 4:00 AM,  wrote:
>> I’m confused. Is it working for you or not?
> 
> It does not work insofar as nothing happens other than Skim opening with the 
> PDF when I click the preview eyeballs.  It doesn't move the document to a 
> particular point nor display the type of markup you described.
> 
> I'll respond later in detail to Stephan's post regarding what I did to set it 
> up and what I ultimately experience (in both 2.2.3 and 2.3.0).
> 

OK. I have egg on my face. (I don’t know if that translates into your slang. 
8^) First, I was not receiving all the list mail, only yours. I just now fixed 
my list subscription. Second and more important, as told in Stephan’s note, I 
did not have the document setting for “Synchronize with output” turned on. I 
guess I didn’t realize that setting was per-document. SORRY everyone. With that 
turned on, syncing is working. The only problem that I see is that with reverse 
search, the Skim document window is not brought to the front—but the scrolling 
and highlighting does happen. Not sure that’s a LyX problem though—could be the 
OS or Skim not sending the right (Applescipt?) command.

Still, though, I first tested with the default document when selecting File -> 
New which is “Article (Standard Class)” and the “Synchronize with output” 
setting is already checked, by default. My mistake then I suppose was assuming 
that this would then happen with the IEEE template but that is a bad assumption.

Sorry again for the hassle and thanks as usual for all the friendly help.

Jerry

Re: Forward and reverse search failing (again?) on 2.3.0rc

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> On Mar 13, 2018, at 9:21 PM, Joel Kulesza  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 3:40 PM,  > wrote:
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Joel Kulesza > > wrote:
>> 
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 6:59 PM, > > wrote:
>> With LyX 2.3.0rc and Skim on Mac, both forward search and reverse search are 
>> failing for me. Didn’t someone fix this not too long ago? It fails whether 
>> LyX is in some random location or the supposed default location 
>> /Applications/LyX.app.
>> 
>> Jerry,
>> 
>> If you describe how you've setup Skim to work with LyX, I'll try setting it 
>> up similarly to test (on Mac).
>> 
>> Note: I'm not a Skim user. 
>> 
>> - Joel
>> 
> 
> Hi Joel,
> 
> Uh-oh. I just now made a small test document and both forward and reverse 
> search work as expected. However, in a paper originated from the LyX IEEE 
> template, it fails. In its forward attempt, Skim is brought to the front but 
> nothing else happens—no scrolling to the expected location and no 
> highlighting within Skim. (Skim places a red dot at the location for about 
> five seconds before it disappears, and also highlights the line.) Reverse 
> search from Skim does nothing.
> 
> I am working on a deadline for a paper and probably won’t have time to 
> develop a minimal example today, and possibly not until the end of the week.
> 
> OK—here’s a minimal example. Just open the IEEEtran-Journal.lyx template and 
> render it to Skim without modifying it. Behavior is as I describe above.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> Again, I'm not historically a Skim user; however, setting it up to work as 
> I'd imagine I do not see the type of behavior I'd expect.  That is, no 
> scrolling to the location of the LyX cursor within Skim.  
> 
> If you can describe how you've configured LyX and Skim, I can attempt to 
> reproduce dys(functionality), but at this point, I see only no functionality.
> 
> - Joel
> 

Joel,
I’m confused. Is it working for you or not?
Jerry

Re: Forward and reverse search failing (again?) on 2.3.0rc

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> On Mar 13, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Joel Kulesza  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 6:59 PM,  > wrote:
> With LyX 2.3.0rc and Skim on Mac, both forward search and reverse search are 
> failing for me. Didn’t someone fix this not too long ago? It fails whether 
> LyX is in some random location or the supposed default location 
> /Applications/LyX.app.
> 
> Jerry,
> 
> If you describe how you've setup Skim to work with LyX, I'll try setting it 
> up similarly to test (on Mac).
> 
> Note: I'm not a Skim user. 
> 
> - Joel
> 

Hi Joel,

Uh-oh. I just now made a small test document and both forward and reverse 
search work as expected. However, in a paper originated from the LyX IEEE 
template, it fails. In its forward attempt, Skim is brought to the front but 
nothing else happens—no scrolling to the expected location and no highlighting 
within Skim. (Skim places a red dot at the location for about five seconds 
before it disappears, and also highlights the line.) Reverse search from Skim 
does nothing.

I am working on a deadline for a paper and probably won’t have time to develop 
a minimal example today, and possibly not until the end of the week.

OK—here’s a minimal example. Just open the IEEEtran-Journal.lyx template and 
render it to Skim without modifying it. Behavior is as I describe above.

Jerry

Forward and reverse search failing (again?) on 2.3.0rc

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With LyX 2.3.0rc and Skim on Mac, both forward search and reverse search are 
failing for me. Didn’t someone fix this not too long ago? It fails whether LyX 
is in some random location or the supposed default location 
/Applications/LyX.app.

Jerry

Re: [ANNOUNCE] LyX 2.2.0 Released

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On May 27, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Scott Kostyshak  wrote:

> On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 05:10:15PM -0700, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
>> On May 27, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Scott Kostyshak  wrote:
>> 
>>> You can download LyX 2.2.0 from https://www.lyx.org/Download/.
>> 
>> OS X links on this page apparently still point to 2.1.4.
> 
> Can you try again Jerry?
> 
> Scott

Looks OK now but I didn't let the download complete since I already had done 
the download before.

Jerry

Re: [ANNOUNCE] LyX 2.2.0 Released

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On May 27, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Scott Kostyshak  wrote:

> You can download LyX 2.2.0 from https://www.lyx.org/Download/.

OS X links on this page apparently still point to 2.1.4.

Jerry

test - ignore

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test - ignore