Re: pybliographic

[Jean-Pierre.Chretien]

From: Wolfgang Engelmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LyX Users [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: pybliographic
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:59:12 -0400

On Wednesday 02 May 2001 02:58, you wrote:
 Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
  I am using pybliographic for lyx (the excuse for asking here)
  and wonder whether somebody knows how to get rid of double entries
  besides doing it manually.

 i never had such problems with pybliographic.

The reason is, that I merged three bib files, and some of the entries were in 
each, thus I got it twice or thrice

AFAIR, this produces a warning, not an error: the first entry
only is kept, and the warnin allows tocheck if the data are really
the same.
Have a look at Nelson Beebe's suite of scripts to control
a set of bib files, I found it quite useful.

-- 
Jean-Pierre

SGML to LyX

[Roberto Arcomano]

Hi all,
I have problem for conversion SGML to LYX: when I do it, all comfortable
LyX URLs change and I can no more modify them simply.
I noticed also that, when I convert from LYX to SGML, all is OK, but
from SGML to LYX file become double size..
Can someone help me?
I use LAST version of LyX: RPM 1.1.6fix1
Thank you for support and for very very useful LyX application
Roberto Arcomano

Re: Master Documents?

[Dekel Tsur]

On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 10:09:38AM -0500, George De Bruin wrote:
 I'm using LyX version 1.1.6Fix1.
 
 I have a master document that includes three files (I've tried both Article 
 and Book class to see if it made a difference: it didn't).  The includes are 
 preceeded by a title, author and TOC.  All of the include files are Article 
 class LyX files.
 
 In the master document, I execute View-PDF.  The PDF file is compiled and 
 displayed.  Everything is fine, the table of contents is generated, etc.
 
 Then I go ahead and load the 2nd include file, edit it, and save the file.  
 Do the same with the 3rd include file.
 
 Go back to the master and execute View-PDF again.  The resulting PDF file is 
 not updated.  The changes made to the 2nd and 3rd documents aren't included.
 
 What is going on here?

You have found a bug in LyX.
It happens since your first (and perhaps second) included files are short
(less than a page). I'll fix this bug soon, but for the meantime, you can
add \wlog{} in tex mode after the 1st and 2nd include insets.

Re: lyx curriculum vitae class

[Dekel Tsur]

On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 02:07:06PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
 It is now available at
   http://www-rocq.inria.fr/~lasgoutt/lyx/cv-1.4.tar.gz

Why aren't you adding it to the LyX distribution ?

accent á

[monty]

Again, a mate has a problem i couldn't resolv properly. He has lyx 1.1.5fix2-1,
but he couldn't put accent over vowels, but he could put it over the other
letters.

It's on debian woody.

Thanks, and sorry for my poor english.

Re: accent á

[Laurent DUVAL]

*Again, a mate has a problem i couldn't resolv properly. He has lyx 
1.1.5fix2-1,
*but he couldn't put accent over vowels, but he could put it over the other
*letters.

Swap to latex mode (Ctrl-l, eg), then write \'a{} and swap to the normal 
mode back again.

Exemples may be found at

http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/FAQ-LaTeX/29.57.html
or many other sites
==
We want... a shrubbery

Re: lyx curriculum vitae class

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

 Dekel == Dekel Tsur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Dekel On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 02:07:06PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Dekel wrote:
 It is now available at
 http://www-rocq.inria.fr/~lasgoutt/lyx/cv-1.4.tar.gz

Dekel Why aren't you adding it to the LyX distribution ?

Yes, why? :)

Seriously, there are a few things I want to do first (I'll probably
have to find a new name, since there is a cv.cls on ctan now, and also
some documentation would be welcome). The problem is, I've been
postponing this for ages. 

JMarc

Re: File corruption in LyX 1.1.14

[EagleIce]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

Hi!

I have encountered the same problems with different versions of LyX in SuSE 
and Mandrake and specially when dealing with (the monster-ugly) KLyX in 
Caldera. But I realized that the text that I thought had vanished, actually 
was there in the raw text files (thank god for that!). 
For me this has made it impossible for me to work with the same files on 
different boxes (home-work) if they don't run the same version of LyX.

Cheers,

ei
 

On Thursday 03 May 2001 13:03, Erkko Airo wrote:
 Hello,

 I have encountered a not-so-nice feature in LyX version 1.1.14fix3 on
 Debian Potato (i.e. stable). Files written on another system (SuSE 6.3)
 with LyX 1.1.5fix2 get corrupted:

 - protected spaces disappear, no space at all shows up.
 - sometimes things written after a vanishing protected space are
 also lost, and if this includes environment change or anything but
 standard text, weird things may happen
 - if such a corrupted file is saved and re-opened, more corruption may
 appear.
 - even if I replace the spaces again, save and re-open, they are gone
 again, taking some more following texts with them...

 The problem does not appear on documents originally created and processed
 only on the same computer/LyX.

 Any clue on why this happens, and any solution other than upgrading LyX?

 I know upgrade would help as I have already compiled 1.1.6 but not yet
 done 'make install'. I've tried to keep this Debian-machine as Potato as
 possible -- that's why I'd like not to upgrade until later versions are
 included in Potato.

 Erkko Airo
 --
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Erkon puheita on mukava kuunnella vaikkei niistä aina
 mitään tolkkua saakaan. P. Monto, Talouselämä 6/99

- -- 
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running headers

[Ragnar Beer]

Howdy!

I'm writing a book-style document and have the problem that if I make 
a chapter headline long and descriptive it doesn't fit on one line 
for the running headers on each page. Is there a way to have a sort 
of abbreviated or self defined running headers or are they always 
exactly the same as the chapter headlines?

Ragnar

Re: File corruption in LyX 1.1.14

[Baruch Even]

* Erkko Airo [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010503 14:09]:
 Hello,
 
 I have encountered a not-so-nice feature in LyX version 1.1.14fix3 on
 Debian Potato (i.e. stable). Files written on another system (SuSE 6.3)
 with LyX 1.1.5fix2 get corrupted:

Different versions of LyX might have slight variations of the file
format, specifically between the 1.1.14 and 1.1.15 there were file
format changes so that effectively you cannot read a file created with
1.1.15 with 1.1.14.

The only solution for this is to use the same number version of LyX on
the two computers. The fix levels have (should have) no differences in
file formats so that 1.1.15 and 1.1.15fix2 should be able to read each
other files. But it's probably better to go with the latest fix level,
it has bugfixes afterall :-)

The latest version now is 1.1.16fix1, 1.1.16fix2 is scheduled in the
coming weeks, but if your documents are heavy with tables you might
prefer to stay with the 1.1.15 series. We hope to have a solution for
the 1.1.16 table problems in 1.2.0.

-- 
Baruch Even
http://baruch.ev-en.org/

Introduction in User Guide

[Matej Cepl]

Hi,

just a comment on the User guide's Introduction. There is this text there:

This gives you far more power than you may think. No longer do you need
to scroll through a 75 page document, changing all of the section
numbers because you deleted an old section. You could even pick a
section, heading and all, up out of one document and drop it in a new
one. LyX does the renumbering for you, adds the section to the Table of
Contents, and more! Because you tell LyX [and LaTeX] what kind of
document you're editing and what type of paragraph this-or-that text is,
the computer can typeset it accordingly. Cut some paragraphs from an old
document [say, an article] and paste them in a completely different one,
[say, a letter] and LyX does the rest. Of course you can also still do
some low-level formatting for fine-tuning. However, the proper way with
LyX is to tell the computer what the text is, not what it should look
like. So, we like to say that LyX gives you WYSIWYM editing [What You
See Is What You Mean].

I certainly know, that most of the users of _other_ wordprocessors
doesn't know about anything about styles, headlines numbering, etc. 
However, it is certainly not the fault of these wordprocessors (well, 
sort of, but not that these programs were not able to do it). It seems 
to me, that author of User Guide made WYSIWYG wordprocessors even more 
dull than they are. If you ever changed all of the section numbers 
because you deleted an old section in these wordprocessors, than you
certainly never read any manual to them (OK, unless you had M$ Works, 
but it is certainly not the program we want to be measured with, isn't 
it?). And so on.

I think, that the miracle of WYSIWYM authoring is somewhere else -- 
strict separation of presentation from content (which should be our 
battlecry too) makes authoring more easy, more usable on different 
platforms (I mean on printer, screen, etc.), etc. You name it. But easy 
of headlines renumbering is certainly too low-shot for LyX.

What do you think about it?

Matej

Re: Introduction in User Guide

[Robin Turner]

On Thursday 03 May 2001 08:04, Matej Cepl wrote:
[snip]
 I certainly know, that most of the users of _other_ wordprocessors
 doesn't know about anything about styles, headlines numbering, etc.
 However, it is certainly not the fault of these wordprocessors (well,
 sort of, but not that these programs were not able to do it). It seems
 to me, that author of User Guide made WYSIWYG wordprocessors even more
 dull than they are. If you ever changed all of the section numbers
 because you deleted an old section in these wordprocessors, than you
 certainly never read any manual to them (OK, unless you had M$ Works,
 but it is certainly not the program we want to be measured with, isn't
 it?). And so on.

To quote from my own LyX guide:

To be fair to Word and other wordprocessors, there are things you can do to 
set up predefined styles, numbering etc.. I did this when I was writing my MA 
dissertation; unfortunately it took longer to get it working properly than it 
would have done to have typed everything manually, and when I came back from 
holiday, somebody had deleted all my custom styles.

Conventional word processors can do just about anything you can do in LyX, 
and even qute a few things you can't do in LyX.  The important point is that 
what LyX does, it does easily and well. 

Robin

Re: accent

[Matej Cepl]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 11:48:16AM +0200, Laurent DUVAL wrote:
 *Again, a mate has a problem i couldn't resolv properly. He has lyx 
 1.1.5fix2-1,
 *but he couldn't put accent over vowels, but he could put it over the other
 *letters.
 
 Swap to latex mode (Ctrl-l, eg), then write \'a{} and swap to the normal 
 mode back again.

I usually do it as \'{a}, but it is the same. If he has a lot of such
non-standard letters (like myself, being a Czech) than some non-English
keybinding may make a trick.

Matej

Re: damned table babel problems

[Matej Cepl]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:58:32AM +0200, Andre Berger wrote:

  ! Package babel Error: You haven't defined the language german yet.
  See the babel package documentation for explanation.
 
 Take a look at /etc/texmf/language.dat, then run texhash (just in
 case) and fmtutil --all. This got me out a similar situation (tetex on
 debian).

No, it is not LaTeX but babel, who is complaining!

Matej

Re: damned table babel problems

[Andre Berger]

* Matej Cepl [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-05-03 16:29 +0200:
 On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:58:32AM +0200, Andre Berger wrote:
 
   ! Package babel Error: You haven't defined the language german yet.
   See the babel package documentation for explanation.
  
  Take a look at /etc/texmf/language.dat, then run texhash (just in
  case) and fmtutil --all. This got me out a similar situation (tetex on
  debian).
 
 No, it is not LaTeX but babel, who is complaining!

It's configured in /etc/texmf/language.dat, here, or I must have
completely misunderstood something.

A. B.   [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Re: Introduction in User Guide

[Jean-Pierre.Chretien]

From: Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Introduction in User Guide
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 16:31:11 +0300

On Thursday 03 May 2001 08:04, Matej Cepl wrote:
[snip]
 I certainly know, that most of the users of _other_ wordprocessors
 doesn't know about anything about styles, headlines numbering, etc.
 However, it is certainly not the fault of these wordprocessors (well,
 sort of, but not that these programs were not able to do it). It seems
 to me, that author of User Guide made WYSIWYG wordprocessors even more
 dull than they are. If you ever changed all of the section numbers
 because you deleted an old section in these wordprocessors, than you
 certainly never read any manual to them (OK, unless you had M$ Works,
 but it is certainly not the program we want to be measured with, isn't
 it?). And so on.

To quote from my own LyX guide:

To be fair to Word and other wordprocessors, there are things you can do to 
set up predefined styles, numbering etc.. I did this when I was writing my MA 
dissertation; unfortunately it took longer to get it working properly than it 
would have done to have typed everything manually, and when I came back from 
holiday, somebody had deleted all my custom styles.

Conventional word processors can do just about anything you can do in LyX, 
and even qute a few things you can't do in LyX.  The important point is that 
what LyX does, it does easily and well. 

Robin

A really big problem with a conventional word processor
is that when you are facing the screen
with the window open, you are unable to know if it is a complete
WYSIWYG sculpture of the document or if the author has made en extensive use
of styles, symbolic references, etc.
And if you don't know, a conversion program will hardly know either...
Just have a look at HTML export and, worse, at HTML import (where there
*should* be some style formatting).

The point with LaTeX/LyX is that somebody somewhere should hack the styles
for you, so you just have to know about your own scientific, juridic
or any kind of significant stuff and don't mind other guys business:
these other guys perform in fact a typographic job, and their life is simpler
through the automation of the tedious part thanks to
Donald E. Knuth and all people who made easy access to it.

The main point of TeX is that typography (in the sense of page layout
construction and reference manipulation) requires *compilation*
of the document in the original sense of the word. Then separation
of data (what you mean) and compilation parameters (what presentation
you want) is compulsory and extends far away the presentation 
or screen and printing on various printers: hypertextual
exports can use  the structuration and symbolic reference
information already present for typographic reasons.

This was already true since TeX/LaTeX, but LyX is the last
avatar which allows a fair comparison of similar UIs between the
two ways to do it.

-- 
Jean-Pierre

LNCS style and LyX-Code paragraphs

[Mario Blazevic]

Hi.

I have written my first LyX technical paper. It has all worked out 
great, especially when compared to MS Word which I used before. However 
I came to a problem with submiting it. The document is written as the 
Article class, and the conference organizers demand the papers in 
Springer LNCS style. I have downloaded and installed the style following 
the instructions in the guide, and switched the document to LNCS. The 
problem is, I have several programs in the document. After I changed the 
style I have lost the LyX-Code environment. Is there a way to fix this? 
Can I have the LyX-Code environment inside a LNCS document?

Re: N - R

[Laurent DUVAL]

http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/symbols/symbols.html

*Is there a way to properly write something like
*
*  N(atural number) - R(eal number)
*
*In maths text books it appears N and R look kind of like this
*
*  IN - IR

The answer seems to be found at
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/symbols/symbols.html

=
Always look at the bright site of LyX
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/
[whistling] 
...
(c) Monty Python

Re: N - R

[Baruch Even]

* Andreas Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010503 17:58]:
 Hi everbody!
 
 Is there a way to properly write something like
 
   N(atural number) - R(eal number)
 
 In maths text books it appears N and R look kind of like this
 
   IN - IR
 
 I'd like to use this in LyX, too. (Couldn't find it in the manual.)
 Any ideas?

The N of Naturals and R of Reals (and the rest of these kinds) can be
shown by using \mathbb{N}  \mathbb{R}
You'll need to check the Layout|Document|Extra|Use-AMS-Math

The arrow is probably \rightarrow

-- 
Baruch Even
http://baruch.ev-en.org/

Re: Master Documents?

[George De Bruin]

On Wednesday 02 May 2001 11:52, Herbert Voss wrote:


  Go back to the master and execute View-PDF again.  The resulting PDF
  file is not updated.  The changes made to the 2nd and 3rd documents
  aren't included.

 also 1.1.6fix1 with 8 include-files, editing the second, saving,
 switching to master and ctrl-shift-D gives correct dvi.

Hi Herb,

Hmmm, it's still not working here.  More details in my message to Dekel.

-- 
George J. De Bruin
Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin
0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!

Re: N - R

[Remzi Seker]

Adreas,
use \mathds{R} for |R etc...
R
On Thursday 03 May 2001 09:28, Andreas Bauer wrote:
 Hi everbody!

 Is there a way to properly write something like

   N(atural number) - R(eal number)

 In maths text books it appears N and R look kind of like this

   IN - IR

 I'd like to use this in LyX, too. (Couldn't find it in the manual.)
 Any ideas?

 Thanks!
 Andi.

Re: Introduction in User Guide

[Matej Cepl]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 04:39:15PM +0200, Jean-Pierre.Chretien wrote:
 
 A really big problem with a conventional word processor
 is that when you are facing the screen
 with the window open, you are unable to know if it is a complete
 WYSIWYG sculpture of the document or if the author has made en extensive use
 of styles, symbolic references, etc.
 And if you don't know, a conversion program will hardly know either...
 Just have a look at HTML export and, worse, at HTML import (where there
 *should* be some style formatting).

That's true of course, but it hardly interests user when writing his 
first LyX document (maybe, it would, but you have to tell him the thing 
about the conversion).
 
 The point with LaTeX/LyX is that somebody somewhere should hack the styles
 for you, so you just have to know about your own scientific, juridic
 or any kind of significant stuff and don't mind other guys business:
 these other guys perform in fact a typographic job, and their life is simpler
 through the automation of the tedious part thanks to
 Donald E. Knuth and all people who made easy access to it.

Of course, I use LyX for all my writing, so I know why I do so :-), but 
isn't this slightly too much black magic for introduction?
 
Matej

Re: Master Documents?

[George De Bruin]

On Thursday 03 May 2001 03:54, Dekel Tsur wrote:


 You have found a bug in LyX.

heh I'm a little more convinced of this now.  However:

 It happens since your first (and perhaps second) included files are short
 (less than a page). I'll fix this bug soon, but for the meantime, you can
 add \wlog{} in tex mode after the 1st and 2nd include insets.

This didn't fix the problem.

I'm now up to 9 include files.  So, I added the \wlog{} before and after each 
of the includes.  The first time I did a View-PDF, it worked.  However, then 
editing the last file and Viewing again, didn't work.

So, I tried just changing the last file to an input, and it worked.  Then 
changed it back to an include, changed the last file, did a View-PDF and it 
worked.  (Note the main point is that I only had to change the one file to an 
input, whereas before I thought I had to change them all.)

I then repeated this process, making changes to just the 2nd include file, 
and toggling the last include in the master to an input.  Same result: as 
long as I switched between input and include, the changes would appear.  But 
if I didn't change between input and include, the changes wouldn't appear.

Hmmm.  I would be almost willing to speculate that it has something to do 
with the master document.  But what, exactly, I don't have a clue.

I can add the following: I haven't made any modifications to the preamble (in 
any of the documents).  All documents are article class.  I have made a few 
changes to page geometry (ie, mainly the setting the margins to 1 inch), 
double spaced, fonts set to pslatex, double sided pages, fancy headers turned 
on.  These are global settings in my document template.

Quick description of the files:

Master document is short: Title, Author, Table of Contents and include files.
The 1st-3rd include files are longer: 6pgs, 3pgs, 2pgs.  Start with section 
header.
The 4th-9th include files are short 1 page, start with section header.

If you'd like, I can tar up the files and send them to you.  Shouldn't be all 
that large. (The whole contents of the directory is about 76K right now - but 
it will get a bit larger as I add to it...:), and that includes backup 
files...)
-- 
George J. De Bruin
Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin
0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!

Re: Introduction in User Guide

[Jean-Pierre.Chretien]

Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:32:04 -0400
From: Matej Cepl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LyX users discussion list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Introduction in User Guide
User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i
X-Operating-System: Linux augusta 2.2.16-22

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 04:39:15PM +0200, Jean-Pierre.Chretien wrote:
 
 A really big problem with a conventional word processor
 is that when you are facing the screen
 with the window open, you are unable to know if it is a complete
 WYSIWYG sculpture of the document or if the author has made en extensive use
 of styles, symbolic references, etc.
 And if you don't know, a conversion program will hardly know either...
 Just have a look at HTML export and, worse, at HTML import (where there
 *should* be some style formatting).

That's true of course, but it hardly interests user when writing his 
first LyX document (maybe, it would, but you have to tell him the thing 
about the conversion).

I suppose that he may be interested in html conversion and mostly
in Word conversion, and the solutions should be pointed out
in the Intro.

 
 The point with LaTeX/LyX is that somebody somewhere should hack the styles
 for you, so you just have to know about your own scientific, juridic
 or any kind of significant stuff and don't mind other guys business:
 these other guys perform in fact a typographic job, and their life is 
simpler
 through the automation of the tedious part thanks to
 Donald E. Knuth and all people who made easy access to it.

Of course, I use LyX for all my writing, so I know why I do so :-), but 
isn't this slightly too much black magic for introduction?
 
Matej

I agree I am a bit beyond the initial steps, but I remember the reading
the introduction of the LaTeX Book as a discovery of a *new* world
(I started with MacWrite, but had made steps in the right direction
with nroff I must say). This intro gets a bit in details AFAIR.

Ok for not getting in details about document compilation, but what about
a strong incentive not to get bored by style hacking and accepting things
as they are for a start ? Frankly I have been using LaTeX for a long time
and I really made small investments in style writing (for example I never
investigated the @ stuff:-)

Re: running headers

[Herbert Voss]

Ragnar Beer wrote:
 
 Howdy!
 
 I'm writing a book-style document and have the problem that if I make
 a chapter headline long and descriptive it doesn't fit on one line
 for the running headers on each page. Is there a way to have a sort
 of abbreviated or self defined running headers or are they always
 exactly the same as the chapter headlines?

have a look at

http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/fancy/header.html#shortheader

Herbert

-- 
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/

Re: N - R

[Andreas Bauer]

Thanks everybody! All the different methods worked for me. Sorry, I asked 
such a simple question on this list, but I'm rather new to the LyX business 
:-)

Andi.

-- 
Andreas Bauer, baueran at in.tum.de   Very funny Scotty,
http://home.in.tum.de/baueran/  now beam me down some pants.

Re: Introduction in User Guide

[Matej Cepl]

 I suppose that he may be interested in html conversion and mostly
 in Word conversion, and the solutions should be pointed out
 in the Intro.

Yes, of course.
 
Matej

Re: LNCS style and LyX-Code paragraphs

[Dekel Tsur]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 10:45:37AM -0400, Mario Blazevic wrote:
 Hi.
 
 I have written my first LyX technical paper. It has all worked out 
 great, especially when compared to MS Word which I used before. However 
 I came to a problem with submiting it. The document is written as the 
 Article class, and the conference organizers demand the papers in 
 Springer LNCS style. I have downloaded and installed the style following 
 the instructions in the guide, and switched the document to LNCS. The 
 problem is, I have several programs in the document. After I changed the 
 style I have lost the LyX-Code environment. Is there a way to fix this? 
 Can I have the LyX-Code environment inside a LNCS document?

Yes.
Copy the llncs.layout file to your ~/.lyx/layouts directory,
and then append to it the following lines:

Input lyxmacros.inc
NoStyle Address
NoStyle Right Address

Re: running headers

[Dekel Tsur]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 09:55:43AM -0400, Matej Cepl wrote:
 On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 02:08:34PM +0200, Ragnar Beer wrote:
  Howdy!
  
  I'm writing a book-style document and have the problem that if I make 
  a chapter headline long and descriptive it doesn't fit on one line 
  for the running headers on each page. Is there a way to have a sort 
  of abbreviated or self defined running headers or are they always 
  exactly the same as the chapter headlines?
 
 I guess you will have to use some ERT:
 
 instead of using Chapter environment write (in Standard environment) 
 the following ERT
 
 \chapter[short text]{long text}

A better solution is to use the chapter layout as before, but below the
chapter put \chaptermark{short text} in latex mode.

Re: pybliographic

[Stefano Ghirlanda]

Peter Suetterlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Have a look at Nelson Beebe's suite of scripts to control
  a set of bib files, I found it quite useful.
 
 Probably the way to go.

If that does not satisfy you and you are willing to installa a couple
of Perl modules, I have some sort of hack that more or less does the
job... 

-- 
Stefano Ghirlanda, Zoologiska Institutionen, Stockholms Universitet
  email: you know it already, tel: +46-8-164055, fax:+46-8-167715
 the free science campaign: http://ethology.zool.su.se/freescience

Problem appending column to a table

[Stephen Carville]

When trying to add a column to a table LyX goes into a loop repeating
messages like this untill I kill it:

ERROR (LyXParagraph::GetInset): Inset does not exist: 84774
ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
ERROR (LyXParagraph::GetInset): Inset does not exist: 84786

I am using v 1.1.6 fix1 on Redhat 7.0 with kernel version 2.2.17-14
and xforms version 0.88.

I tried to see if this is a known bug but I couldn't find a list on
the lyx website.

-- 
--Stephen Carville
http://www.heronforge.net/~stephen/gnupgkey.txt
==
Government is like burning witches:  After years of burning young women
failed to solve any of society's problems, the solution was to burn more
young women.
==

Won't let me change paper margins

[Robert Baruch]

Please help... I'm a new user of LyX and I've been banging my head 
against this problem, I'm about to cry :_(

I'm using version 1.1.6fix1.

I created a new document (File  New) and then I typed some text in and 
printed the document. I found that the left margin was about 2.25 
inches, and I really want it to be 1 inch. So I went into Layout  
Document  Paper, but whenever I type anything into the margin entry 
boxes, the OK and Apply buttons get grayed out, as if what I'm doing 
isn't valid.

So how do I change the margins on my document?

Thanks,

--Rob

Re: Won't let me change paper margins

[Christopher M.]

You have to put units in there--an easy thing to miss, even if you are a tried
and true LyXer :-) So, for example, put 1in. 

On Thu, 03 May 2001, you wrote:
 Please help... I'm a new user of LyX and I've been banging my head 
 against this problem, I'm about to cry :_(
 
 I'm using version 1.1.6fix1.
 
 I created a new document (File  New) and then I typed some text in and 
 printed the document. I found that the left margin was about 2.25 
 inches, and I really want it to be 1 inch. So I went into Layout  
 Document  Paper, but whenever I type anything into the margin entry 
 boxes, the OK and Apply buttons get grayed out, as if what I'm doing 
 isn't valid.
 
 So how do I change the margins on my document?
 
 Thanks,
 
 --Rob

Re: Won't let me change paper margins

[Stephen Carville]

You need to add a unit to the value.  For example 1in or 25mm or
whatever.  Also check Use Geometry Package.

On Fri, 4 May 2001, Robert Baruch wrote:

- Please help... I'm a new user of LyX and I've been banging my head
- against this problem, I'm about to cry :_(
-
- I'm using version 1.1.6fix1.
-
- I created a new document (File  New) and then I typed some text in and
- printed the document. I found that the left margin was about 2.25
- inches, and I really want it to be 1 inch. So I went into Layout 
- Document  Paper, but whenever I type anything into the margin entry
- boxes, the OK and Apply buttons get grayed out, as if what I'm doing
- isn't valid.
-
- So how do I change the margins on my document?
-
- Thanks,
-
- --Rob
-
-

-- 
--Stephen Carville
http://www.heronforge.net/~stephen/gnupgkey.txt
==
Government is like burning witches:  After years of burning young women
failed to solve any of society's problems, the solution was to burn more
young women.
==

Re: Problem appending column to a table

[Stephen Carville]

I just tested this on the same file on my home machine -- also Redhat
7.0 -- and the append worked fine!  The only difference I can see is
LyX at work was from an RPM and at home I built it the 'old fashioned'
way.  I'll try building from the tarball at work and see if that fixes
the problem.

On Thu, 3 May 2001, Stephen Carville wrote:

- When trying to add a column to a table LyX goes into a loop repeating
- messages like this untill I kill it:
-
- ERROR (LyXParagraph::GetInset): Inset does not exist: 84774
- ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
- ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
- ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
- ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
- ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
- ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
- ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
- ERROR (LyXParagraph::GetInset): Inset does not exist: 84786
-
- I am using v 1.1.6 fix1 on Redhat 7.0 with kernel version 2.2.17-14
- and xforms version 0.88.
-
- I tried to see if this is a known bug but I couldn't find a list on
- the lyx website.
-
-

-- 
--Stephen Carville
http://www.heronforge.net/~stephen/gnupgkey.txt
==
Government is like burning witches:  After years of burning young women
failed to solve any of society's problems, the solution was to burn more
young women.
==

Re: pybliographic

[Jean-Pierre.Chretien]

From: Wolfgang Engelmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LyX Users [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: pybliographic
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:59:12 -0400

On Wednesday 02 May 2001 02:58, you wrote:
 Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
  I am using pybliographic for lyx (the excuse for asking here)
  and wonder whether somebody knows how to get rid of double entries
  besides doing it manually.

 i never had such problems with pybliographic.

The reason is, that I merged three bib files, and some of the entries were in 
each, thus I got it twice or thrice

AFAIR, this produces a warning, not an error: the first entry
only is kept, and the warnin allows tocheck if the data are really
the same.
Have a look at Nelson Beebe's suite of scripts to control
a set of bib files, I found it quite useful.

-- 
Jean-Pierre

SGML to LyX

[Roberto Arcomano]

Hi all,
I have problem for conversion SGML to LYX: when I do it, all comfortable
LyX URLs change and I can no more modify them simply.
I noticed also that, when I convert from LYX to SGML, all is OK, but
from SGML to LYX file become double size..
Can someone help me?
I use LAST version of LyX: RPM 1.1.6fix1
Thank you for support and for very very useful LyX application
Roberto Arcomano

Re: Master Documents?

[Dekel Tsur]

On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 10:09:38AM -0500, George De Bruin wrote:
 I'm using LyX version 1.1.6Fix1.
 
 I have a master document that includes three files (I've tried both Article 
 and Book class to see if it made a difference: it didn't).  The includes are 
 preceeded by a title, author and TOC.  All of the include files are Article 
 class LyX files.
 
 In the master document, I execute View-PDF.  The PDF file is compiled and 
 displayed.  Everything is fine, the table of contents is generated, etc.
 
 Then I go ahead and load the 2nd include file, edit it, and save the file.  
 Do the same with the 3rd include file.
 
 Go back to the master and execute View-PDF again.  The resulting PDF file is 
 not updated.  The changes made to the 2nd and 3rd documents aren't included.
 
 What is going on here?

You have found a bug in LyX.
It happens since your first (and perhaps second) included files are short
(less than a page). I'll fix this bug soon, but for the meantime, you can
add \wlog{} in tex mode after the 1st and 2nd include insets.

Re: lyx curriculum vitae class

[Dekel Tsur]

On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 02:07:06PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
 It is now available at
   http://www-rocq.inria.fr/~lasgoutt/lyx/cv-1.4.tar.gz

Why aren't you adding it to the LyX distribution ?

accent á

[monty]

Again, a mate has a problem i couldn't resolv properly. He has lyx 1.1.5fix2-1,
but he couldn't put accent over vowels, but he could put it over the other
letters.

It's on debian woody.

Thanks, and sorry for my poor english.

Re: accent á

[Laurent DUVAL]

*Again, a mate has a problem i couldn't resolv properly. He has lyx 
1.1.5fix2-1,
*but he couldn't put accent over vowels, but he could put it over the other
*letters.

Swap to latex mode (Ctrl-l, eg), then write \'a{} and swap to the normal 
mode back again.

Exemples may be found at

http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/FAQ-LaTeX/29.57.html
or many other sites
==
We want... a shrubbery

Re: lyx curriculum vitae class

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

 Dekel == Dekel Tsur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Dekel On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 02:07:06PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Dekel wrote:
 It is now available at
 http://www-rocq.inria.fr/~lasgoutt/lyx/cv-1.4.tar.gz

Dekel Why aren't you adding it to the LyX distribution ?

Yes, why? :)

Seriously, there are a few things I want to do first (I'll probably
have to find a new name, since there is a cv.cls on ctan now, and also
some documentation would be welcome). The problem is, I've been
postponing this for ages. 

JMarc

Re: File corruption in LyX 1.1.14

[EagleIce]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

Hi!

I have encountered the same problems with different versions of LyX in SuSE 
and Mandrake and specially when dealing with (the monster-ugly) KLyX in 
Caldera. But I realized that the text that I thought had vanished, actually 
was there in the raw text files (thank god for that!). 
For me this has made it impossible for me to work with the same files on 
different boxes (home-work) if they don't run the same version of LyX.

Cheers,

ei
 

On Thursday 03 May 2001 13:03, Erkko Airo wrote:
 Hello,

 I have encountered a not-so-nice feature in LyX version 1.1.14fix3 on
 Debian Potato (i.e. stable). Files written on another system (SuSE 6.3)
 with LyX 1.1.5fix2 get corrupted:

 - protected spaces disappear, no space at all shows up.
 - sometimes things written after a vanishing protected space are
 also lost, and if this includes environment change or anything but
 standard text, weird things may happen
 - if such a corrupted file is saved and re-opened, more corruption may
 appear.
 - even if I replace the spaces again, save and re-open, they are gone
 again, taking some more following texts with them...

 The problem does not appear on documents originally created and processed
 only on the same computer/LyX.

 Any clue on why this happens, and any solution other than upgrading LyX?

 I know upgrade would help as I have already compiled 1.1.6 but not yet
 done 'make install'. I've tried to keep this Debian-machine as Potato as
 possible -- that's why I'd like not to upgrade until later versions are
 included in Potato.

 Erkko Airo
 --
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Erkon puheita on mukava kuunnella vaikkei niistä aina
 mitään tolkkua saakaan. P. Monto, Talouselämä 6/99

- -- 
@~~~ EagleIce  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Running SuSE Linux 7.1 ~~~@
@~ Webmaster http://erin.se ~~~ http://www.inspired-leadership.com ~@







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running headers

[Ragnar Beer]

Howdy!

I'm writing a book-style document and have the problem that if I make 
a chapter headline long and descriptive it doesn't fit on one line 
for the running headers on each page. Is there a way to have a sort 
of abbreviated or self defined running headers or are they always 
exactly the same as the chapter headlines?

Ragnar

Re: File corruption in LyX 1.1.14

[Baruch Even]

* Erkko Airo [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010503 14:09]:
 Hello,
 
 I have encountered a not-so-nice feature in LyX version 1.1.14fix3 on
 Debian Potato (i.e. stable). Files written on another system (SuSE 6.3)
 with LyX 1.1.5fix2 get corrupted:

Different versions of LyX might have slight variations of the file
format, specifically between the 1.1.14 and 1.1.15 there were file
format changes so that effectively you cannot read a file created with
1.1.15 with 1.1.14.

The only solution for this is to use the same number version of LyX on
the two computers. The fix levels have (should have) no differences in
file formats so that 1.1.15 and 1.1.15fix2 should be able to read each
other files. But it's probably better to go with the latest fix level,
it has bugfixes afterall :-)

The latest version now is 1.1.16fix1, 1.1.16fix2 is scheduled in the
coming weeks, but if your documents are heavy with tables you might
prefer to stay with the 1.1.15 series. We hope to have a solution for
the 1.1.16 table problems in 1.2.0.

-- 
Baruch Even
http://baruch.ev-en.org/

Introduction in User Guide

[Matej Cepl]

Hi,

just a comment on the User guide's Introduction. There is this text there:

This gives you far more power than you may think. No longer do you need
to scroll through a 75 page document, changing all of the section
numbers because you deleted an old section. You could even pick a
section, heading and all, up out of one document and drop it in a new
one. LyX does the renumbering for you, adds the section to the Table of
Contents, and more! Because you tell LyX [and LaTeX] what kind of
document you're editing and what type of paragraph this-or-that text is,
the computer can typeset it accordingly. Cut some paragraphs from an old
document [say, an article] and paste them in a completely different one,
[say, a letter] and LyX does the rest. Of course you can also still do
some low-level formatting for fine-tuning. However, the proper way with
LyX is to tell the computer what the text is, not what it should look
like. So, we like to say that LyX gives you WYSIWYM editing [What You
See Is What You Mean].

I certainly know, that most of the users of _other_ wordprocessors
doesn't know about anything about styles, headlines numbering, etc. 
However, it is certainly not the fault of these wordprocessors (well, 
sort of, but not that these programs were not able to do it). It seems 
to me, that author of User Guide made WYSIWYG wordprocessors even more 
dull than they are. If you ever changed all of the section numbers 
because you deleted an old section in these wordprocessors, than you
certainly never read any manual to them (OK, unless you had M$ Works, 
but it is certainly not the program we want to be measured with, isn't 
it?). And so on.

I think, that the miracle of WYSIWYM authoring is somewhere else -- 
strict separation of presentation from content (which should be our 
battlecry too) makes authoring more easy, more usable on different 
platforms (I mean on printer, screen, etc.), etc. You name it. But easy 
of headlines renumbering is certainly too low-shot for LyX.

What do you think about it?

Matej

Re: Introduction in User Guide

[Robin Turner]

On Thursday 03 May 2001 08:04, Matej Cepl wrote:
[snip]
 I certainly know, that most of the users of _other_ wordprocessors
 doesn't know about anything about styles, headlines numbering, etc.
 However, it is certainly not the fault of these wordprocessors (well,
 sort of, but not that these programs were not able to do it). It seems
 to me, that author of User Guide made WYSIWYG wordprocessors even more
 dull than they are. If you ever changed all of the section numbers
 because you deleted an old section in these wordprocessors, than you
 certainly never read any manual to them (OK, unless you had M$ Works,
 but it is certainly not the program we want to be measured with, isn't
 it?). And so on.

To quote from my own LyX guide:

To be fair to Word and other wordprocessors, there are things you can do to 
set up predefined styles, numbering etc.. I did this when I was writing my MA 
dissertation; unfortunately it took longer to get it working properly than it 
would have done to have typed everything manually, and when I came back from 
holiday, somebody had deleted all my custom styles.

Conventional word processors can do just about anything you can do in LyX, 
and even qute a few things you can't do in LyX.  The important point is that 
what LyX does, it does easily and well. 

Robin

Re: accent

[Matej Cepl]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 11:48:16AM +0200, Laurent DUVAL wrote:
 *Again, a mate has a problem i couldn't resolv properly. He has lyx 
 1.1.5fix2-1,
 *but he couldn't put accent over vowels, but he could put it over the other
 *letters.
 
 Swap to latex mode (Ctrl-l, eg), then write \'a{} and swap to the normal 
 mode back again.

I usually do it as \'{a}, but it is the same. If he has a lot of such
non-standard letters (like myself, being a Czech) than some non-English
keybinding may make a trick.

Matej

Re: damned table babel problems

[Matej Cepl]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:58:32AM +0200, Andre Berger wrote:

  ! Package babel Error: You haven't defined the language german yet.
  See the babel package documentation for explanation.
 
 Take a look at /etc/texmf/language.dat, then run texhash (just in
 case) and fmtutil --all. This got me out a similar situation (tetex on
 debian).

No, it is not LaTeX but babel, who is complaining!

Matej

Re: damned table babel problems

[Andre Berger]

* Matej Cepl [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-05-03 16:29 +0200:
 On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:58:32AM +0200, Andre Berger wrote:
 
   ! Package babel Error: You haven't defined the language german yet.
   See the babel package documentation for explanation.
  
  Take a look at /etc/texmf/language.dat, then run texhash (just in
  case) and fmtutil --all. This got me out a similar situation (tetex on
  debian).
 
 No, it is not LaTeX but babel, who is complaining!

It's configured in /etc/texmf/language.dat, here, or I must have
completely misunderstood something.

A. B.   [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Re: Introduction in User Guide

[Jean-Pierre.Chretien]

From: Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Introduction in User Guide
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 16:31:11 +0300

On Thursday 03 May 2001 08:04, Matej Cepl wrote:
[snip]
 I certainly know, that most of the users of _other_ wordprocessors
 doesn't know about anything about styles, headlines numbering, etc.
 However, it is certainly not the fault of these wordprocessors (well,
 sort of, but not that these programs were not able to do it). It seems
 to me, that author of User Guide made WYSIWYG wordprocessors even more
 dull than they are. If you ever changed all of the section numbers
 because you deleted an old section in these wordprocessors, than you
 certainly never read any manual to them (OK, unless you had M$ Works,
 but it is certainly not the program we want to be measured with, isn't
 it?). And so on.

To quote from my own LyX guide:

To be fair to Word and other wordprocessors, there are things you can do to 
set up predefined styles, numbering etc.. I did this when I was writing my MA 
dissertation; unfortunately it took longer to get it working properly than it 
would have done to have typed everything manually, and when I came back from 
holiday, somebody had deleted all my custom styles.

Conventional word processors can do just about anything you can do in LyX, 
and even qute a few things you can't do in LyX.  The important point is that 
what LyX does, it does easily and well. 

Robin

A really big problem with a conventional word processor
is that when you are facing the screen
with the window open, you are unable to know if it is a complete
WYSIWYG sculpture of the document or if the author has made en extensive use
of styles, symbolic references, etc.
And if you don't know, a conversion program will hardly know either...
Just have a look at HTML export and, worse, at HTML import (where there
*should* be some style formatting).

The point with LaTeX/LyX is that somebody somewhere should hack the styles
for you, so you just have to know about your own scientific, juridic
or any kind of significant stuff and don't mind other guys business:
these other guys perform in fact a typographic job, and their life is simpler
through the automation of the tedious part thanks to
Donald E. Knuth and all people who made easy access to it.

The main point of TeX is that typography (in the sense of page layout
construction and reference manipulation) requires *compilation*
of the document in the original sense of the word. Then separation
of data (what you mean) and compilation parameters (what presentation
you want) is compulsory and extends far away the presentation 
or screen and printing on various printers: hypertextual
exports can use  the structuration and symbolic reference
information already present for typographic reasons.

This was already true since TeX/LaTeX, but LyX is the last
avatar which allows a fair comparison of similar UIs between the
two ways to do it.

-- 
Jean-Pierre

LNCS style and LyX-Code paragraphs

[Mario Blazevic]

Hi.

I have written my first LyX technical paper. It has all worked out 
great, especially when compared to MS Word which I used before. However 
I came to a problem with submiting it. The document is written as the 
Article class, and the conference organizers demand the papers in 
Springer LNCS style. I have downloaded and installed the style following 
the instructions in the guide, and switched the document to LNCS. The 
problem is, I have several programs in the document. After I changed the 
style I have lost the LyX-Code environment. Is there a way to fix this? 
Can I have the LyX-Code environment inside a LNCS document?

Re: N - R

[Laurent DUVAL]

http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/symbols/symbols.html

*Is there a way to properly write something like
*
*  N(atural number) - R(eal number)
*
*In maths text books it appears N and R look kind of like this
*
*  IN - IR

The answer seems to be found at
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/symbols/symbols.html

=
Always look at the bright site of LyX
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/
[whistling] 
...
(c) Monty Python

Re: N - R

[Baruch Even]

* Andreas Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010503 17:58]:
 Hi everbody!
 
 Is there a way to properly write something like
 
   N(atural number) - R(eal number)
 
 In maths text books it appears N and R look kind of like this
 
   IN - IR
 
 I'd like to use this in LyX, too. (Couldn't find it in the manual.)
 Any ideas?

The N of Naturals and R of Reals (and the rest of these kinds) can be
shown by using \mathbb{N}  \mathbb{R}
You'll need to check the Layout|Document|Extra|Use-AMS-Math

The arrow is probably \rightarrow

-- 
Baruch Even
http://baruch.ev-en.org/

Re: Master Documents?

[George De Bruin]

On Wednesday 02 May 2001 11:52, Herbert Voss wrote:


  Go back to the master and execute View-PDF again.  The resulting PDF
  file is not updated.  The changes made to the 2nd and 3rd documents
  aren't included.

 also 1.1.6fix1 with 8 include-files, editing the second, saving,
 switching to master and ctrl-shift-D gives correct dvi.

Hi Herb,

Hmmm, it's still not working here.  More details in my message to Dekel.

-- 
George J. De Bruin
Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin
0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!

Re: N - R

[Remzi Seker]

Adreas,
use \mathds{R} for |R etc...
R
On Thursday 03 May 2001 09:28, Andreas Bauer wrote:
 Hi everbody!

 Is there a way to properly write something like

   N(atural number) - R(eal number)

 In maths text books it appears N and R look kind of like this

   IN - IR

 I'd like to use this in LyX, too. (Couldn't find it in the manual.)
 Any ideas?

 Thanks!
 Andi.

Re: Introduction in User Guide

[Matej Cepl]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 04:39:15PM +0200, Jean-Pierre.Chretien wrote:
 
 A really big problem with a conventional word processor
 is that when you are facing the screen
 with the window open, you are unable to know if it is a complete
 WYSIWYG sculpture of the document or if the author has made en extensive use
 of styles, symbolic references, etc.
 And if you don't know, a conversion program will hardly know either...
 Just have a look at HTML export and, worse, at HTML import (where there
 *should* be some style formatting).

That's true of course, but it hardly interests user when writing his 
first LyX document (maybe, it would, but you have to tell him the thing 
about the conversion).
 
 The point with LaTeX/LyX is that somebody somewhere should hack the styles
 for you, so you just have to know about your own scientific, juridic
 or any kind of significant stuff and don't mind other guys business:
 these other guys perform in fact a typographic job, and their life is simpler
 through the automation of the tedious part thanks to
 Donald E. Knuth and all people who made easy access to it.

Of course, I use LyX for all my writing, so I know why I do so :-), but 
isn't this slightly too much black magic for introduction?
 
Matej

Re: Master Documents?

[George De Bruin]

On Thursday 03 May 2001 03:54, Dekel Tsur wrote:


 You have found a bug in LyX.

heh I'm a little more convinced of this now.  However:

 It happens since your first (and perhaps second) included files are short
 (less than a page). I'll fix this bug soon, but for the meantime, you can
 add \wlog{} in tex mode after the 1st and 2nd include insets.

This didn't fix the problem.

I'm now up to 9 include files.  So, I added the \wlog{} before and after each 
of the includes.  The first time I did a View-PDF, it worked.  However, then 
editing the last file and Viewing again, didn't work.

So, I tried just changing the last file to an input, and it worked.  Then 
changed it back to an include, changed the last file, did a View-PDF and it 
worked.  (Note the main point is that I only had to change the one file to an 
input, whereas before I thought I had to change them all.)

I then repeated this process, making changes to just the 2nd include file, 
and toggling the last include in the master to an input.  Same result: as 
long as I switched between input and include, the changes would appear.  But 
if I didn't change between input and include, the changes wouldn't appear.

Hmmm.  I would be almost willing to speculate that it has something to do 
with the master document.  But what, exactly, I don't have a clue.

I can add the following: I haven't made any modifications to the preamble (in 
any of the documents).  All documents are article class.  I have made a few 
changes to page geometry (ie, mainly the setting the margins to 1 inch), 
double spaced, fonts set to pslatex, double sided pages, fancy headers turned 
on.  These are global settings in my document template.

Quick description of the files:

Master document is short: Title, Author, Table of Contents and include files.
The 1st-3rd include files are longer: 6pgs, 3pgs, 2pgs.  Start with section 
header.
The 4th-9th include files are short 1 page, start with section header.

If you'd like, I can tar up the files and send them to you.  Shouldn't be all 
that large. (The whole contents of the directory is about 76K right now - but 
it will get a bit larger as I add to it...:), and that includes backup 
files...)
-- 
George J. De Bruin
Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin
0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!

Re: Introduction in User Guide

[Jean-Pierre.Chretien]

Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:32:04 -0400
From: Matej Cepl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LyX users discussion list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Introduction in User Guide
User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i
X-Operating-System: Linux augusta 2.2.16-22

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 04:39:15PM +0200, Jean-Pierre.Chretien wrote:
 
 A really big problem with a conventional word processor
 is that when you are facing the screen
 with the window open, you are unable to know if it is a complete
 WYSIWYG sculpture of the document or if the author has made en extensive use
 of styles, symbolic references, etc.
 And if you don't know, a conversion program will hardly know either...
 Just have a look at HTML export and, worse, at HTML import (where there
 *should* be some style formatting).

That's true of course, but it hardly interests user when writing his 
first LyX document (maybe, it would, but you have to tell him the thing 
about the conversion).

I suppose that he may be interested in html conversion and mostly
in Word conversion, and the solutions should be pointed out
in the Intro.

 
 The point with LaTeX/LyX is that somebody somewhere should hack the styles
 for you, so you just have to know about your own scientific, juridic
 or any kind of significant stuff and don't mind other guys business:
 these other guys perform in fact a typographic job, and their life is 
simpler
 through the automation of the tedious part thanks to
 Donald E. Knuth and all people who made easy access to it.

Of course, I use LyX for all my writing, so I know why I do so :-), but 
isn't this slightly too much black magic for introduction?
 
Matej

I agree I am a bit beyond the initial steps, but I remember the reading
the introduction of the LaTeX Book as a discovery of a *new* world
(I started with MacWrite, but had made steps in the right direction
with nroff I must say). This intro gets a bit in details AFAIR.

Ok for not getting in details about document compilation, but what about
a strong incentive not to get bored by style hacking and accepting things
as they are for a start ? Frankly I have been using LaTeX for a long time
and I really made small investments in style writing (for example I never
investigated the @ stuff:-)

Re: running headers

[Herbert Voss]

Ragnar Beer wrote:
 
 Howdy!
 
 I'm writing a book-style document and have the problem that if I make
 a chapter headline long and descriptive it doesn't fit on one line
 for the running headers on each page. Is there a way to have a sort
 of abbreviated or self defined running headers or are they always
 exactly the same as the chapter headlines?

have a look at

http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/fancy/header.html#shortheader

Herbert

-- 
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/

Re: N - R

[Andreas Bauer]

Thanks everybody! All the different methods worked for me. Sorry, I asked 
such a simple question on this list, but I'm rather new to the LyX business 
:-)

Andi.

-- 
Andreas Bauer, baueran at in.tum.de   Very funny Scotty,
http://home.in.tum.de/baueran/  now beam me down some pants.

Re: Introduction in User Guide

[Matej Cepl]

 I suppose that he may be interested in html conversion and mostly
 in Word conversion, and the solutions should be pointed out
 in the Intro.

Yes, of course.
 
Matej

Re: LNCS style and LyX-Code paragraphs

[Dekel Tsur]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 10:45:37AM -0400, Mario Blazevic wrote:
 Hi.
 
 I have written my first LyX technical paper. It has all worked out 
 great, especially when compared to MS Word which I used before. However 
 I came to a problem with submiting it. The document is written as the 
 Article class, and the conference organizers demand the papers in 
 Springer LNCS style. I have downloaded and installed the style following 
 the instructions in the guide, and switched the document to LNCS. The 
 problem is, I have several programs in the document. After I changed the 
 style I have lost the LyX-Code environment. Is there a way to fix this? 
 Can I have the LyX-Code environment inside a LNCS document?

Yes.
Copy the llncs.layout file to your ~/.lyx/layouts directory,
and then append to it the following lines:

Input lyxmacros.inc
NoStyle Address
NoStyle Right Address

Re: running headers

[Dekel Tsur]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 09:55:43AM -0400, Matej Cepl wrote:
 On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 02:08:34PM +0200, Ragnar Beer wrote:
  Howdy!
  
  I'm writing a book-style document and have the problem that if I make 
  a chapter headline long and descriptive it doesn't fit on one line 
  for the running headers on each page. Is there a way to have a sort 
  of abbreviated or self defined running headers or are they always 
  exactly the same as the chapter headlines?
 
 I guess you will have to use some ERT:
 
 instead of using Chapter environment write (in Standard environment) 
 the following ERT
 
 \chapter[short text]{long text}

A better solution is to use the chapter layout as before, but below the
chapter put \chaptermark{short text} in latex mode.

Re: pybliographic

[Stefano Ghirlanda]

Peter Suetterlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Have a look at Nelson Beebe's suite of scripts to control
  a set of bib files, I found it quite useful.
 
 Probably the way to go.

If that does not satisfy you and you are willing to installa a couple
of Perl modules, I have some sort of hack that more or less does the
job... 

-- 
Stefano Ghirlanda, Zoologiska Institutionen, Stockholms Universitet
  email: you know it already, tel: +46-8-164055, fax:+46-8-167715
 the free science campaign: http://ethology.zool.su.se/freescience

Problem appending column to a table

[Stephen Carville]

When trying to add a column to a table LyX goes into a loop repeating
messages like this untill I kill it:

ERROR (LyXParagraph::GetInset): Inset does not exist: 84774
ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
ERROR (LyXParagraph::GetInset): Inset does not exist: 84786

I am using v 1.1.6 fix1 on Redhat 7.0 with kernel version 2.2.17-14
and xforms version 0.88.

I tried to see if this is a known bug but I couldn't find a list on
the lyx website.

-- 
--Stephen Carville
http://www.heronforge.net/~stephen/gnupgkey.txt
==
Government is like burning witches:  After years of burning young women
failed to solve any of society's problems, the solution was to burn more
young women.
==

Won't let me change paper margins

[Robert Baruch]

Please help... I'm a new user of LyX and I've been banging my head 
against this problem, I'm about to cry :_(

I'm using version 1.1.6fix1.

I created a new document (File  New) and then I typed some text in and 
printed the document. I found that the left margin was about 2.25 
inches, and I really want it to be 1 inch. So I went into Layout  
Document  Paper, but whenever I type anything into the margin entry 
boxes, the OK and Apply buttons get grayed out, as if what I'm doing 
isn't valid.

So how do I change the margins on my document?

Thanks,

--Rob

Re: Won't let me change paper margins

[Christopher M.]

You have to put units in there--an easy thing to miss, even if you are a tried
and true LyXer :-) So, for example, put 1in. 

On Thu, 03 May 2001, you wrote:
 Please help... I'm a new user of LyX and I've been banging my head 
 against this problem, I'm about to cry :_(
 
 I'm using version 1.1.6fix1.
 
 I created a new document (File  New) and then I typed some text in and 
 printed the document. I found that the left margin was about 2.25 
 inches, and I really want it to be 1 inch. So I went into Layout  
 Document  Paper, but whenever I type anything into the margin entry 
 boxes, the OK and Apply buttons get grayed out, as if what I'm doing 
 isn't valid.
 
 So how do I change the margins on my document?
 
 Thanks,
 
 --Rob

Re: Won't let me change paper margins

[Stephen Carville]

You need to add a unit to the value.  For example 1in or 25mm or
whatever.  Also check Use Geometry Package.

On Fri, 4 May 2001, Robert Baruch wrote:

- Please help... I'm a new user of LyX and I've been banging my head
- against this problem, I'm about to cry :_(
-
- I'm using version 1.1.6fix1.
-
- I created a new document (File  New) and then I typed some text in and
- printed the document. I found that the left margin was about 2.25
- inches, and I really want it to be 1 inch. So I went into Layout 
- Document  Paper, but whenever I type anything into the margin entry
- boxes, the OK and Apply buttons get grayed out, as if what I'm doing
- isn't valid.
-
- So how do I change the margins on my document?
-
- Thanks,
-
- --Rob
-
-

-- 
--Stephen Carville
http://www.heronforge.net/~stephen/gnupgkey.txt
==
Government is like burning witches:  After years of burning young women
failed to solve any of society's problems, the solution was to burn more
young women.
==

Re: Problem appending column to a table

[Stephen Carville]

I just tested this on the same file on my home machine -- also Redhat
7.0 -- and the append worked fine!  The only difference I can see is
LyX at work was from an RPM and at home I built it the 'old fashioned'
way.  I'll try building from the tarball at work and see if that fixes
the problem.

On Thu, 3 May 2001, Stephen Carville wrote:

- When trying to add a column to a table LyX goes into a loop repeating
- messages like this untill I kill it:
-
- ERROR (LyXParagraph::GetInset): Inset does not exist: 84774
- ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
- ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
- ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
- ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
- ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
- ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
- ERROR (LyXParagraph::writeFile): NULL char in structure.
- ERROR (LyXParagraph::GetInset): Inset does not exist: 84786
-
- I am using v 1.1.6 fix1 on Redhat 7.0 with kernel version 2.2.17-14
- and xforms version 0.88.
-
- I tried to see if this is a known bug but I couldn't find a list on
- the lyx website.
-
-

-- 
--Stephen Carville
http://www.heronforge.net/~stephen/gnupgkey.txt
==
Government is like burning witches:  After years of burning young women
failed to solve any of society's problems, the solution was to burn more
young women.
==

Re: pybliographic

[Jean-Pierre.Chretien]

>>From: Wolfgang Engelmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: LyX Users <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Re: pybliographic
>>Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:59:12 -0400
>>
>>On Wednesday 02 May 2001 02:58, you wrote:
>>> Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
>>> > I am using pybliographic for lyx (the excuse for asking here)
>>> > and wonder whether somebody knows how to get rid of double entries
>>> > besides doing it manually.
>>>
>>> i never had such problems with pybliographic.
>>
>>The reason is, that I merged three bib files, and some of the entries were in 
>>each, thus I got it twice or thrice

AFAIR, this produces a warning, not an error: the first entry
only is kept, and the warnin allows tocheck if the data are really
the same.
Have a look at Nelson Beebe's suite of scripts to control
a set of bib files, I found it quite useful.

-- 
Jean-Pierre

SGML to LyX

[Roberto Arcomano]

Hi all,
I have problem for conversion SGML to LYX: when I do it, all comfortable
LyX URLs change and I can no more modify them simply.
I noticed also that, when I convert from LYX to SGML, all is OK, but
from SGML to LYX file become double size..
Can someone help me?
I use LAST version of LyX: RPM 1.1.6fix1
Thank you for support and for very very useful LyX application
Roberto Arcomano

Re: Master Documents?

[Dekel Tsur]

On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 10:09:38AM -0500, George De Bruin wrote:
> I'm using LyX version 1.1.6Fix1.
> 
> I have a master document that includes three files (I've tried both Article 
> and Book class to see if it made a difference: it didn't).  The includes are 
> preceeded by a title, author and TOC.  All of the include files are Article 
> class LyX files.
> 
> In the master document, I execute View->PDF.  The PDF file is compiled and 
> displayed.  Everything is fine, the table of contents is generated, etc.
> 
> Then I go ahead and load the 2nd include file, edit it, and save the file.  
> Do the same with the 3rd include file.
> 
> Go back to the master and execute View->PDF again.  The resulting PDF file is 
> not updated.  The changes made to the 2nd and 3rd documents aren't included.
> 
> What is going on here?

You have found a bug in LyX.
It happens since your first (and perhaps second) included files are short
(less than a page). I'll fix this bug soon, but for the meantime, you can
add \wlog{} in tex mode after the 1st and 2nd include insets.

Re: lyx curriculum vitae class

[Dekel Tsur]

On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 02:07:06PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> It is now available at
>   http://www-rocq.inria.fr/~lasgoutt/lyx/cv-1.4.tar.gz

Why aren't you adding it to the LyX distribution ?

accent á

[monty]

Again, a mate has a problem i couldn't resolv properly. He has lyx 1.1.5fix2-1,
but he couldn't put accent over vowels, but he could put it over the other
letters.

It's on debian woody.

Thanks, and sorry for my poor english.

Re: accent á

[Laurent DUVAL]

*Again, a mate has a problem i couldn't resolv properly. He has lyx 
1.1.5fix2-1,
*but he couldn't put accent over vowels, but he could put it over the other
*letters.

Swap to latex mode (Ctrl-l, eg), then write \'a{} and swap to the normal 
mode back again.

Exemples may be found at

http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/FAQ-LaTeX/29.57.html
or many other sites
==
We want... a shrubbery

Re: lyx curriculum vitae class

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Dekel" == Dekel Tsur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Dekel> On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 02:07:06PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Dekel> wrote:
>> It is now available at
>> http://www-rocq.inria.fr/~lasgoutt/lyx/cv-1.4.tar.gz

Dekel> Why aren't you adding it to the LyX distribution ?

Yes, why? :)

Seriously, there are a few things I want to do first (I'll probably
have to find a new name, since there is a cv.cls on ctan now, and also
some documentation would be welcome). The problem is, I've been
postponing this for ages. 

JMarc

Re: File corruption in LyX 1.1.14

[EagleIce]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

Hi!

I have encountered the same problems with different versions of LyX in SuSE 
and Mandrake and specially when dealing with (the monster-ugly) KLyX in 
Caldera. But I realized that the text that I thought had vanished, actually 
was there in the raw text files (thank god for that!). 
For me this has made it impossible for me to work with the same files on 
different boxes (home<->work) if they don't run the same version of LyX.

Cheers,

ei
 

On Thursday 03 May 2001 13:03, Erkko Airo wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have encountered a not-so-nice feature in LyX version 1.1.14fix3 on
> Debian Potato (i.e. stable). Files written on another system (SuSE 6.3)
> with LyX 1.1.5fix2 get corrupted:
>
> - protected spaces disappear, no space at all shows up.
> - sometimes things written after a vanishing protected space are
> also lost, and if this includes environment change or anything but
> standard text, weird things may happen
> - if such a corrupted file is saved and re-opened, more corruption may
> appear.
> - even if I replace the spaces again, save and re-open, they are gone
> again, taking some more following texts with them...
>
> The problem does not appear on documents originally created and processed
> only on the same computer/LyX.
>
> Any clue on why this happens, and any solution other than upgrading LyX?
>
> I know upgrade would help as I have already compiled 1.1.6 but not yet
> done 'make install'. I've tried to keep this Debian-machine as Potato as
> possible -- that's why I'd like not to upgrade until later versions are
> included in Potato.
>
> Erkko Airo
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "Erkon puheita on mukava kuunnella vaikkei niistä aina
> mitään tolkkua saakaan." P. Monto, Talouselämä 6/99

- -- 
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running headers

[Ragnar Beer]

Howdy!

I'm writing a book-style document and have the problem that if I make 
a chapter headline long and descriptive it doesn't fit on one line 
for the running headers on each page. Is there a way to have a sort 
of abbreviated or self defined running headers or are they always 
exactly the same as the chapter headlines?

Ragnar

Re: File corruption in LyX 1.1.14

[Baruch Even]

* Erkko Airo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010503 14:09]:
> Hello,
> 
> I have encountered a not-so-nice feature in LyX version 1.1.14fix3 on
> Debian Potato (i.e. stable). Files written on another system (SuSE 6.3)
> with LyX 1.1.5fix2 get corrupted:

Different versions of LyX might have slight variations of the file
format, specifically between the 1.1.14 and 1.1.15 there were file
format changes so that effectively you cannot read a file created with
1.1.15 with 1.1.14.

The only solution for this is to use the same number version of LyX on
the two computers. The fix levels have (should have) no differences in
file formats so that 1.1.15 and 1.1.15fix2 should be able to read each
other files. But it's probably better to go with the latest fix level,
it has bugfixes afterall :-)

The latest version now is 1.1.16fix1, 1.1.16fix2 is scheduled in the
coming weeks, but if your documents are heavy with tables you might
prefer to stay with the 1.1.15 series. We hope to have a solution for
the 1.1.16 table problems in 1.2.0.

-- 
Baruch Even
http://baruch.ev-en.org/

Introduction in User Guide

[Matej Cepl]

Hi,

just a comment on the User guide's Introduction. There is this text there:

This gives you far more power than you may think. No longer do you need
to scroll through a 75 page document, changing all of the section
numbers because you deleted an old section. You could even pick a
section, heading and all, up out of one document and drop it in a new
one. LyX does the renumbering for you, adds the section to the Table of
Contents, and more! Because you tell LyX [and LaTeX] what kind of
document you're editing and what type of paragraph this-or-that text is,
the computer can typeset it accordingly. Cut some paragraphs from an old
document [say, an article] and paste them in a completely different one,
[say, a letter] and LyX does the rest. Of course you can also still do
some low-level formatting for fine-tuning. However, the proper way with
LyX is to tell the computer what the text is, not what it should look
like. So, we like to say that LyX gives you WYSIWYM editing [What You
See Is What You Mean].

I certainly know, that most of the users of _other_ wordprocessors
doesn't know about anything about styles, headlines numbering, etc. 
However, it is certainly not the fault of these wordprocessors (well, 
sort of, but not that these programs were not able to do it). It seems 
to me, that author of User Guide made WYSIWYG wordprocessors even more 
dull than they are. If you ever "changed all of the section numbers 
because you deleted an old section" in these wordprocessors, than you
certainly never read any manual to them (OK, unless you had M$ Works, 
but it is certainly not the program we want to be measured with, isn't 
it?). And so on.

I think, that the miracle of WYSIWYM authoring is somewhere else -- 
strict separation of presentation from content (which should be our 
battlecry too) makes authoring more easy, more usable on different 
platforms (I mean on printer, screen, etc.), etc. You name it. But easy 
of headlines renumbering is certainly too low-shot for LyX.

What do you think about it?

Matej

Re: Introduction in User Guide

[Robin Turner]

On Thursday 03 May 2001 08:04, Matej Cepl wrote:
[snip]
> I certainly know, that most of the users of _other_ wordprocessors
> doesn't know about anything about styles, headlines numbering, etc.
> However, it is certainly not the fault of these wordprocessors (well,
> sort of, but not that these programs were not able to do it). It seems
> to me, that author of User Guide made WYSIWYG wordprocessors even more
> dull than they are. If you ever "changed all of the section numbers
> because you deleted an old section" in these wordprocessors, than you
> certainly never read any manual to them (OK, unless you had M$ Works,
> but it is certainly not the program we want to be measured with, isn't
> it?). And so on.

To quote from my own LyX guide:

"To be fair to Word and other wordprocessors, there are things you can do to 
set up predefined styles, numbering etc.. I did this when I was writing my MA 
dissertation; unfortunately it took longer to get it working properly than it 
would have done to have typed everything manually, and when I came back from 
holiday, somebody had deleted all my custom styles."

Conventional word processors can do just about anything you can do in LyX, 
and even qute a few things you can't do in LyX.  The important point is that 
what LyX does, it does easily and well. 

Robin

Re: accent á

[Matej Cepl]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 11:48:16AM +0200, Laurent DUVAL wrote:
> *Again, a mate has a problem i couldn't resolv properly. He has lyx 
> 1.1.5fix2-1,
> *but he couldn't put accent over vowels, but he could put it over the other
> *letters.
> 
> Swap to latex mode (Ctrl-l, eg), then write \'a{} and swap to the normal 
> mode back again.

I usually do it as \'{a}, but it is the same. If he has a lot of such
non-standard letters (like myself, being a Czech) than some non-English
keybinding may make a trick.

Matej

Re: damned table babel problems

[Matej Cepl]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:58:32AM +0200, Andre Berger wrote:

> > ! Package babel Error: You haven't defined the language german yet.
> > See the babel package documentation for explanation.
> 
> Take a look at /etc/texmf/language.dat, then run "texhash" (just in
> case) and "fmtutil --all". This got me out a similar situation (tetex on
> debian).

No, it is not LaTeX but babel, who is complaining!

Matej

Re: damned table babel problems

[Andre Berger]

* Matej Cepl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2001-05-03 16:29 +0200:
> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:58:32AM +0200, Andre Berger wrote:
> 
> > > ! Package babel Error: You haven't defined the language german yet.
> > > See the babel package documentation for explanation.
> > 
> > Take a look at /etc/texmf/language.dat, then run "texhash" (just in
> > case) and "fmtutil --all". This got me out a similar situation (tetex on
> > debian).
> 
> No, it is not LaTeX but babel, who is complaining!

It's configured in /etc/texmf/language.dat, here, or I must have
completely misunderstood something.

A. B.   [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Re: Introduction in User Guide

[Jean-Pierre.Chretien]

>>From: Robin Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Re: Introduction in User Guide
>>Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 16:31:11 +0300
>>
>>On Thursday 03 May 2001 08:04, Matej Cepl wrote:
>>[snip]
>>> I certainly know, that most of the users of _other_ wordprocessors
>>> doesn't know about anything about styles, headlines numbering, etc.
>>> However, it is certainly not the fault of these wordprocessors (well,
>>> sort of, but not that these programs were not able to do it). It seems
>>> to me, that author of User Guide made WYSIWYG wordprocessors even more
>>> dull than they are. If you ever "changed all of the section numbers
>>> because you deleted an old section" in these wordprocessors, than you
>>> certainly never read any manual to them (OK, unless you had M$ Works,
>>> but it is certainly not the program we want to be measured with, isn't
>>> it?). And so on.
>>
>>To quote from my own LyX guide:
>>
>>"To be fair to Word and other wordprocessors, there are things you can do to 
>>set up predefined styles, numbering etc.. I did this when I was writing my MA 
>>dissertation; unfortunately it took longer to get it working properly than it 
>>would have done to have typed everything manually, and when I came back from 
>>holiday, somebody had deleted all my custom styles."
>>
>>Conventional word processors can do just about anything you can do in LyX, 
>>and even qute a few things you can't do in LyX.  The important point is that 
>>what LyX does, it does easily and well. 
>>
>>Robin

A really big problem with a conventional word processor
is that when you are facing the screen
with the window open, you are unable to know if it is a complete
WYSIWYG sculpture of the document or if the author has made en extensive use
of styles, symbolic references, etc.
And if you don't know, a conversion program will hardly know either...
Just have a look at HTML export and, worse, at HTML import (where there
*should* be some style formatting).

The point with LaTeX/LyX is that somebody somewhere should hack the styles
for you, so you just have to know about your own scientific, juridic
or any kind of significant stuff and don't mind other guys business:
these other guys perform in fact a typographic job, and their life is simpler
through the automation of the tedious part thanks to
Donald E. Knuth and all people who made easy access to it.

The main point of TeX is that typography (in the sense of page layout
construction and reference manipulation) requires *compilation*
of the document in the original sense of the word. Then separation
of data (what you mean) and compilation parameters (what presentation
you want) is compulsory and extends far away the presentation 
or screen and printing on various printers: hypertextual
exports can use  the structuration and symbolic reference
information already present for typographic reasons.

This was already true since TeX/LaTeX, but LyX is the last
avatar which allows a fair comparison of similar UIs between the
two ways to do it.

-- 
Jean-Pierre

LNCS style and LyX-Code paragraphs

[Mario Blazevic]

Hi.

I have written my first LyX technical paper. It has all worked out 
great, especially when compared to MS Word which I used before. However 
I came to a problem with submiting it. The document is written as the 
Article class, and the conference organizers demand the papers in 
Springer LNCS style. I have downloaded and installed the style following 
the instructions in the guide, and switched the document to LNCS. The 
problem is, I have several programs in the document. After I changed the 
style I have lost the LyX-Code environment. Is there a way to fix this? 
Can I have the LyX-Code environment inside a LNCS document?

Re: N -> R

[Laurent DUVAL]

http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/symbols/symbols.html

*Is there a way to properly write something like
*
*  N(atural number) -> R(eal number)
*
*In maths text books it appears N and R look kind of like this
*
*  IN -> IR

The answer seems to be found at
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/symbols/symbols.html

=
Always look at the bright site of LyX
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/
[whistling] 
...
(c) Monty Python

Re: N -> R

[Baruch Even]

* Andreas Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010503 17:58]:
> Hi everbody!
> 
> Is there a way to properly write something like
> 
>   N(atural number) -> R(eal number)
> 
> In maths text books it appears N and R look kind of like this
> 
>   IN -> IR
> 
> I'd like to use this in LyX, too. (Couldn't find it in the manual.)
> Any ideas?

The N of Naturals and R of Reals (and the rest of these kinds) can be
shown by using \mathbb{N} & \mathbb{R}
You'll need to check the Layout|Document|Extra|Use-AMS-Math

The arrow is probably \rightarrow

-- 
Baruch Even
http://baruch.ev-en.org/

Re: Master Documents?

[George De Bruin]

On Wednesday 02 May 2001 11:52, Herbert Voss wrote:


> > Go back to the master and execute View->PDF again.  The resulting PDF
> > file is not updated.  The changes made to the 2nd and 3rd documents
> > aren't included.
>
> also 1.1.6fix1 with 8 include-files, editing the second, saving,
> switching to master and ctrl-shift-D gives correct dvi.

Hi Herb,

Hmmm, it's still not working here.  More details in my message to Dekel.

-- 
George J. De Bruin
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Re: N -> R

[Remzi Seker]

Adreas,
use \mathds{R} for |R etc...
R
On Thursday 03 May 2001 09:28, Andreas Bauer wrote:
> Hi everbody!
>
> Is there a way to properly write something like
>
>   N(atural number) -> R(eal number)
>
> In maths text books it appears N and R look kind of like this
>
>   IN -> IR
>
> I'd like to use this in LyX, too. (Couldn't find it in the manual.)
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks!
> Andi.

Re: Introduction in User Guide

[Matej Cepl]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 04:39:15PM +0200, Jean-Pierre.Chretien wrote:
> 
> A really big problem with a conventional word processor
> is that when you are facing the screen
> with the window open, you are unable to know if it is a complete
> WYSIWYG sculpture of the document or if the author has made en extensive use
> of styles, symbolic references, etc.
> And if you don't know, a conversion program will hardly know either...
> Just have a look at HTML export and, worse, at HTML import (where there
> *should* be some style formatting).

That's true of course, but it hardly interests user when writing his 
first LyX document (maybe, it would, but you have to tell him the thing 
about the conversion).
 
> The point with LaTeX/LyX is that somebody somewhere should hack the styles
> for you, so you just have to know about your own scientific, juridic
> or any kind of significant stuff and don't mind other guys business:
> these other guys perform in fact a typographic job, and their life is simpler
> through the automation of the tedious part thanks to
> Donald E. Knuth and all people who made easy access to it.

Of course, I use LyX for all my writing, so I know why I do so :-), but 
isn't this slightly too much black magic for introduction?
 
Matej

Re: Master Documents?

[George De Bruin]

On Thursday 03 May 2001 03:54, Dekel Tsur wrote:


> You have found a bug in LyX.

 I'm a little more convinced of this now.  However:

> It happens since your first (and perhaps second) included files are short
> (less than a page). I'll fix this bug soon, but for the meantime, you can
> add \wlog{} in tex mode after the 1st and 2nd include insets.

This didn't fix the problem.

I'm now up to 9 include files.  So, I added the \wlog{} before and after each 
of the includes.  The first time I did a View->PDF, it worked.  However, then 
editing the last file and Viewing again, didn't work.

So, I tried just changing the last file to an input, and it worked.  Then 
changed it back to an include, changed the last file, did a View->PDF and it 
worked.  (Note the main point is that I only had to change the one file to an 
input, whereas before I thought I had to change them all.)

I then repeated this process, making changes to just the 2nd include file, 
and toggling the last include in the master to an input.  Same result: as 
long as I switched between input and include, the changes would appear.  But 
if I didn't change between input and include, the changes wouldn't appear.

Hmmm.  I would be almost willing to speculate that it has something to do 
with the master document.  But what, exactly, I don't have a clue.

I can add the following: I haven't made any modifications to the preamble (in 
any of the documents).  All documents are article class.  I have made a few 
changes to page geometry (ie, mainly the setting the margins to 1 inch), 
double spaced, fonts set to pslatex, double sided pages, fancy headers turned 
on.  These are global settings in my document template.

Quick description of the files:

Master document is short: Title, Author, Table of Contents and include files.
The 1st-3rd include files are longer: 6pgs, 3pgs, 2pgs.  Start with section 
header.
The 4th-9th include files are short <1 page, start with section header.

If you'd like, I can tar up the files and send them to you.  Shouldn't be all 
that large. (The whole contents of the directory is about 76K right now - but 
it will get a bit larger as I add to it...:), and that includes backup 
files...)
-- 
George J. De Bruin
Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin
0l0rin's latest recording "Collection" is available now!

Re: Introduction in User Guide

[Jean-Pierre.Chretien]

>>Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:32:04 -0400
>>From: Matej Cepl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: LyX users discussion list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Re: Introduction in User Guide
>>User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i
>>X-Operating-System: Linux augusta 2.2.16-22
>>
>>On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 04:39:15PM +0200, Jean-Pierre.Chretien wrote:
>>> 
>>> A really big problem with a conventional word processor
>>> is that when you are facing the screen
>>> with the window open, you are unable to know if it is a complete
>>> WYSIWYG sculpture of the document or if the author has made en extensive use
>>> of styles, symbolic references, etc.
>>> And if you don't know, a conversion program will hardly know either...
>>> Just have a look at HTML export and, worse, at HTML import (where there
>>> *should* be some style formatting).
>>
>>That's true of course, but it hardly interests user when writing his 
>>first LyX document (maybe, it would, but you have to tell him the thing 
>>about the conversion).

I suppose that he may be interested in html conversion and mostly
in Word conversion, and the solutions should be pointed out
in the Intro.

>> 
>>> The point with LaTeX/LyX is that somebody somewhere should hack the styles
>>> for you, so you just have to know about your own scientific, juridic
>>> or any kind of significant stuff and don't mind other guys business:
>>> these other guys perform in fact a typographic job, and their life is 
simpler
>>> through the automation of the tedious part thanks to
>>> Donald E. Knuth and all people who made easy access to it.
>>
>>Of course, I use LyX for all my writing, so I know why I do so :-), but 
>>isn't this slightly too much black magic for introduction?
>> 
>>Matej

I agree I am a bit beyond the initial steps, but I remember the reading
the introduction of the LaTeX Book as a discovery of a *new* world
(I started with MacWrite, but had made steps in the right direction
with nroff I must say). This intro gets a bit in details AFAIR.

Ok for not getting in details about document compilation, but what about
a strong incentive not to get bored by style hacking and accepting things
as they are for a start ? Frankly I have been using LaTeX for a long time
and I really made small investments in style writing (for example I never
investigated the @ stuff:-)

Re: running headers

[Herbert Voss]

Ragnar Beer wrote:
> 
> Howdy!
> 
> I'm writing a book-style document and have the problem that if I make
> a chapter headline long and descriptive it doesn't fit on one line
> for the running headers on each page. Is there a way to have a sort
> of abbreviated or self defined running headers or are they always
> exactly the same as the chapter headlines?

have a look at

http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/fancy/header.html#shortheader

Herbert

-- 
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/

Re: N -> R

[Andreas Bauer]

Thanks everybody! All the different methods worked for me. Sorry, I asked 
such a simple question on this list, but I'm rather new to the LyX business 
:-)

Andi.

-- 
Andreas Bauer, baueran at in.tum.de   Very funny Scotty,
http://home.in.tum.de/baueran/  now beam me down some pants.

Re: Introduction in User Guide

[Matej Cepl]

> I suppose that he may be interested in html conversion and mostly
> in Word conversion, and the solutions should be pointed out
> in the Intro.

Yes, of course.
 
Matej

Re: LNCS style and LyX-Code paragraphs

[Dekel Tsur]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 10:45:37AM -0400, Mario Blazevic wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> I have written my first LyX technical paper. It has all worked out 
> great, especially when compared to MS Word which I used before. However 
> I came to a problem with submiting it. The document is written as the 
> Article class, and the conference organizers demand the papers in 
> Springer LNCS style. I have downloaded and installed the style following 
> the instructions in the guide, and switched the document to LNCS. The 
> problem is, I have several programs in the document. After I changed the 
> style I have lost the LyX-Code environment. Is there a way to fix this? 
> Can I have the LyX-Code environment inside a LNCS document?

Yes.
Copy the llncs.layout file to your ~/.lyx/layouts directory,
and then append to it the following lines:

Input lyxmacros.inc
NoStyle Address
NoStyle "Right Address"

Re: running headers

[Dekel Tsur]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 09:55:43AM -0400, Matej Cepl wrote:
> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 02:08:34PM +0200, Ragnar Beer wrote:
> > Howdy!
> > 
> > I'm writing a book-style document and have the problem that if I make 
> > a chapter headline long and descriptive it doesn't fit on one line 
> > for the running headers on each page. Is there a way to have a sort 
> > of abbreviated or self defined running headers or are they always 
> > exactly the same as the chapter headlines?
> 
> I guess you will have to use some ERT:
> 
> instead of using Chapter environment write (in Standard environment) 
> the following ERT
> 
> \chapter[short text]{long text}

A better solution is to use the chapter layout as before, but below the
chapter put \chaptermark{short text} in latex mode.

Re: pybliographic

[Stefano Ghirlanda]

Peter Suetterlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > Have a look at Nelson Beebe's suite of scripts to control
> > a set of bib files, I found it quite useful.
> 
> Probably the way to go.

If that does not satisfy you and you are willing to installa a couple
of Perl modules, I have some sort of hack that more or less does the
job... 

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