Re: lyx 2.3.2
You can always install multiple versions using GNU Stow. See https://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/Compiling for details. Cheers, Alan On 26/3/19 3:59 am, John White wrote: If I recall, I went to synaptic and simply updated lyx to the new version. John On Monday, March 25, 2019 4:48:58 PM PDT Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: > On 25.03.19 15:52, j...@lawquest.com wrote: > > On Monday, March 25, 2019 10:56:28 AM PDT Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: > > > On 25.03.19 10:48, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > > > Le 25/03/2019 à 10:46, Wolfgang Engelmann a écrit : > > > >> I would like to install the Debian stable backport binary 2.3.2 on my > > > >> > > > >> new notebook. I had installed in stretch version 2.2.2. Do I have to > > > >> > > > >> de-install this one before doing it? > > > > > > > > If both are packaged by debian, I would think you do not need to > > > > > > > > uninstall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JMarc > > > > > > Thanks, JMarc > > > > > > > > > > > > Wolfgang > > > > When I did the same thing (loaded backport 2.3.2 on top of my existing > > debian stretch lyx) > > John, how did you do it in detail? I downloaded 2.3.2 in my Download > folder. How do I make sure it is installed at the same place as the old > lyx? Wolfgang > > > I did not first remove lyx. New version just updated and works fine. > > And I think it solved my extra spacing problem as well. > > > > John -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Re: Ubuntu: keep lyx 2.2.3 and 2.3.1 in same system
On 4/11/18 4:35 am, Liviu Andronic wrote: On 10/13/18, Paul Johnson wrote: I have some projects based on LyX 2.2.3 that I want to work on and I don't want to update to new. However, I also have projects based on 2.3 and I can't edit those with old LyX. Liviu Andronic worked out a way for this to be possible a few years ago, but I cannot find documents about it. I wish I could have old and new lyx installed at same time, to easily run one or the other. I've tried to do this by installing 2.3.1 from the Ubuntu package and then compiling 2.2.3 from source and installing off the path, but then I found the 2 versions should not share a user configuration folder. After using 2.3.1 and allowing it to revise ~/.lyx, then lyx 2.2.3 cannot start. Error like this: I didn't continue doing the previous stable release packages as a separate install (like I did for 1.6 and 2.0) as it didn't seem like there was enough demand. I may reconsider this going forward. If you're building from source, it's very easy to achieve this, and you would only need to use this argument when configuring, e.g.: --with-version-suffix=2.2 This will take care of most things, like renaming the binary to 'lyx2.2', the share and home folders to 'lyx2.2', etc. It works surprisingly well. You should even be able to do make install, and in principle it shouldn't clash with the existing install from the PPA. Although it's necessarily more complicated, for inspiration you can always take a look at, e.g., the lyx2.0 packages. Just fetch e.g.: lyx2.0_2.0.8.1-2~trusty~ppa1.debian.tar.gz and inspect the 'debian/rules' file. It will list the config options. Regards, Liviu $ ./lyx Warning: Could not read configuration file Error while reading the configuration file preferences. Please check your installation. So obviously I need to be more graceful, separate config folders. I thought about building a new Debian package "lyx223". I'm pretty sure that's what I think Liviu did. For me that was a fail because the deb packaging code for the lyx project has a lot of hard coded folders like /usr/share/lyx, so it is not too easy to rebuild a package to use alternate folders. If you have advice about this, I would be glad to hear it. -- Paul E. Johnson http://pj.freefaculty.org Director, Center for Research Methods and Data Analysis http://crmda.ku.edu To write to me directly, please address me at pauljohn at ku.edu. And consider using GNU Stow. It makes it easy to manage installation and removal of compiled packages. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Re: Lyx, Kindle, epub
If it works, use it! A few additional note however: - I would run tidy -m file.html on the resulting (X)HTML file to get rid of any obvious glitches; - Calibre can also be useful for converting (X)HTML files to epub; current versions of Calibre also allow editing the files - pandoc provides a simpler html - epub conversion; I have found it to be good IF you don't have many cross references in your MS. It fails (in the version I have) to make cross references when the html file is split by the epub construction process. Calibre does this correctly. - epubcheck is available as a package for most Linux distributions and, I suppose but do not know, for other platforms as well. This allows you to do a validation check locally. Regards, Alan On 04/08/14 09:46, Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا wrote: Just to say a big thank you for this, Les, it works very well! With ebooks gaining in importance now, it would be great if Lyx added on more capabilities on this front. To make a great too, better! Frederick Noronha Goa, India Founder and Editor Goa,1556* * Published over 70 books so far, nearly all set in LyX! See http://goa1556.in On 14 July 2014 04:30, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org mailto:lden...@hal-pc.org wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 01:08:47 +0530 Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoro...@gmail.com mailto:fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote: * What is the easiest way to convert a Lyx file (with images) to epub? * How can one ensure this will be consistent with epub standards? * Any site to test the resultant epub? * Can Lyx developers help to develop some tools that make it easy to create epub and other formats of ebooks? Frederick, I've done this for several books. From my experience the answer to your questions are: * Conversion 1. Export your file to LyXHTML 2. Using your favorite text editor (I use vi), delete the first line of the file (something like ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?) and save as type HTML. 3. The file can now be imported into Sigil (http://web.sigil.googlecode.com/git/files/OEBPS/Text/introduction.html), which saves files in epub format. * Epub standards Sigil includes the FlightCrew validator, and also a link to validate stylesheets with W3C. * Testing the epub I don't know of any site for testing, other than http://validator.idpf.org/, which as far as I know does exactly the same as the Sigil validator. The real problem is that no e-reader supports the standards completely and exactly, so you need to test your epub on several readers. I use Nook, Calibre and FBreader. * LyX development I'll leave this to developers. Without images, the conversion is straightforward, with the main problem being how to handle footnotes: as epub is reflowable, the concept of footnote does not exist, so you will have to decide how to handle them. Sigil gives you the tools to implement any solution you decide on, but it may involve a lot of detailed editing. Images complicate the conversion. Do you want small images in a fixed location in the text? That is fairly easy. So is putting all the images at the end of a chapter (or at the end of the book). But if you want clickable links to images, and a clickable link to return you to the page you were on, it can become very complicated, and involve a lot of hand editing. But again, Sigil has all the tools you need for this. I hope this helps, Les -- FN P +91-832-2409490 M +91-9822122436 http://goa1556.in -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: Lyx, Kindle, epub
If it works, use it! A few additional note however: - I would run tidy -m file.html on the resulting (X)HTML file to get rid of any obvious glitches; - Calibre can also be useful for converting (X)HTML files to epub; current versions of Calibre also allow editing the files - pandoc provides a simpler html - epub conversion; I have found it to be good IF you don't have many cross references in your MS. It fails (in the version I have) to make cross references when the html file is split by the epub construction process. Calibre does this correctly. - epubcheck is available as a package for most Linux distributions and, I suppose but do not know, for other platforms as well. This allows you to do a validation check locally. Regards, Alan On 04/08/14 09:46, Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا wrote: Just to say a big thank you for this, Les, it works very well! With ebooks gaining in importance now, it would be great if Lyx added on more capabilities on this front. To make a great too, better! Frederick Noronha Goa, India Founder and Editor Goa,1556* * Published over 70 books so far, nearly all set in LyX! See http://goa1556.in On 14 July 2014 04:30, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org mailto:lden...@hal-pc.org wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 01:08:47 +0530 Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoro...@gmail.com mailto:fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote: * What is the easiest way to convert a Lyx file (with images) to epub? * How can one ensure this will be consistent with epub standards? * Any site to test the resultant epub? * Can Lyx developers help to develop some tools that make it easy to create epub and other formats of ebooks? Frederick, I've done this for several books. From my experience the answer to your questions are: * Conversion 1. Export your file to LyXHTML 2. Using your favorite text editor (I use vi), delete the first line of the file (something like ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?) and save as type HTML. 3. The file can now be imported into Sigil (http://web.sigil.googlecode.com/git/files/OEBPS/Text/introduction.html), which saves files in epub format. * Epub standards Sigil includes the FlightCrew validator, and also a link to validate stylesheets with W3C. * Testing the epub I don't know of any site for testing, other than http://validator.idpf.org/, which as far as I know does exactly the same as the Sigil validator. The real problem is that no e-reader supports the standards completely and exactly, so you need to test your epub on several readers. I use Nook, Calibre and FBreader. * LyX development I'll leave this to developers. Without images, the conversion is straightforward, with the main problem being how to handle footnotes: as epub is reflowable, the concept of footnote does not exist, so you will have to decide how to handle them. Sigil gives you the tools to implement any solution you decide on, but it may involve a lot of detailed editing. Images complicate the conversion. Do you want small images in a fixed location in the text? That is fairly easy. So is putting all the images at the end of a chapter (or at the end of the book). But if you want clickable links to images, and a clickable link to return you to the page you were on, it can become very complicated, and involve a lot of hand editing. But again, Sigil has all the tools you need for this. I hope this helps, Les -- FN P +91-832-2409490 M +91-9822122436 http://goa1556.in -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: Lyx, Kindle, epub
If it works, use it! A few additional note however: - I would run tidy -m on the resulting (X)HTML file to get rid of any obvious glitches; - Calibre can also be useful for converting (X)HTML files to epub; current versions of Calibre also allow editing the files - pandoc provides a simpler html -> epub conversion; I have found it to be good IF you don't have many cross references in your MS. It fails (in the version I have) to make cross references when the html file is split by the epub construction process. Calibre does this correctly. - epubcheck is available as a package for most Linux distributions and, I suppose but do not know, for other platforms as well. This allows you to do a validation check locally. Regards, Alan On 04/08/14 09:46, Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا wrote: Just to say a big thank you for this, Les, it works very well! With ebooks gaining in importance now, it would be great if Lyx added on more capabilities on this front. To make a great too, better! Frederick Noronha Goa, India Founder and Editor Goa,1556* * Published over 70 books so far, nearly all set in LyX! See http://goa1556.in On 14 July 2014 04:30, Les Denham <lden...@hal-pc.org <mailto:lden...@hal-pc.org>> wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 01:08:47 +0530 Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا <fredericknoro...@gmail.com <mailto:fredericknoro...@gmail.com>> wrote: > * What is the easiest way to convert a Lyx file (with images) to epub? > * How can one ensure this will be consistent with epub standards? > * Any site to test the resultant epub? > * Can Lyx developers help to develop some tools that make it easy to > create epub and other formats of ebooks? Frederick, I've done this for several books. From my experience the answer to your questions are: * Conversion 1. Export your file to LyXHTML 2. Using your favorite text editor (I use vi), delete the first line of the file (something like ) and save as type HTML. 3. The file can now be imported into Sigil (http://web.sigil.googlecode.com/git/files/OEBPS/Text/introduction.html), which saves files in epub format. * Epub standards Sigil includes the FlightCrew validator, and also a link to validate stylesheets with W3C. * Testing the epub I don't know of any site for testing, other than http://validator.idpf.org/, which as far as I know does exactly the same as the Sigil validator. The real problem is that no e-reader supports the standards completely and exactly, so you need to test your epub on several readers. I use Nook, Calibre and FBreader. * LyX development I'll leave this to developers. Without images, the conversion is straightforward, with the main problem being how to handle footnotes: as epub is reflowable, the concept of footnote does not exist, so you will have to decide how to handle them. Sigil gives you the tools to implement any solution you decide on, but it may involve a lot of detailed editing. Images complicate the conversion. Do you want small images in a fixed location in the text? That is fairly easy. So is putting all the images at the end of a chapter (or at the end of the book). But if you want clickable links to images, and a clickable link to return you to the page you were on, it can become very complicated, and involve a lot of hand editing. But again, Sigil has all the tools you need for this. I hope this helps, Les -- FN P +91-832-2409490 M +91-9822122436 http://goa1556.in -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: LyX for writing notes about a book
With Org-mode you can enter special symbols, subscripts and superscripts, LaTeX fragments and you can preview the LaTeX fragments directly in emacs: http://orgmode.org/manual/Embedded-LaTeX.html#Embedded-LaTeX Special symbols: \alpha, \beta and \gama Super/subscripts: The mass of the sun is M_sun = 1.989 x 10^30 kg Math: Let $a^2=b$ Org-mode is quick to learn for simple things, yet has an amazing depth. And, as I mentioned before, it does it all in plain text. It exports to HTML, LibreOffice, LaTeX and lots of other things. Highly recommended (but you do have to use emacs). Cheers, Alan On 03/03/14 13:17, Scott Kostyshak wrote: Great, thanks for the suggestions. I'll take a look at TreeLine. I'll also look at Org-mode (I don't use Emacs but I'm always interested in trying new tools). I should have mentioned that a lot of the books I read have math in them and I enjoy using LyX to write math-related notes. I guess I'll have to make some sacrifices either way I decide to go. Best, Scott On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Alan Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote: I also agree that a good outliner is the way to go. If you use Emacs, the have a look at Org-mode: http://orgmode.org/ Brilliant stuff all in plain text files. On 3 March 2014 05:53, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote: On Sun, 2 Mar 2014, Scott Kostyshak wrote: I take notes while reading books and am looking for a way to improve my messy organization of them. I agress with Steve that LyX is the wrong tool for taking notes. Take a very close look at TreeLine http://treeline.bellz.org/. It's exactly what you're looking for. I use it to track contacts with prospects and clients and have for several years now. It's flexible, adaptable, and will do just what you want as long as you read the docs and set up the database(s) for your specific needs. Rich -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206sip:typh...@iptel.org -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: LyX for writing notes about a book
With Org-mode you can enter special symbols, subscripts and superscripts, LaTeX fragments and you can preview the LaTeX fragments directly in emacs: http://orgmode.org/manual/Embedded-LaTeX.html#Embedded-LaTeX Special symbols: \alpha, \beta and \gama Super/subscripts: The mass of the sun is M_sun = 1.989 x 10^30 kg Math: Let $a^2=b$ Org-mode is quick to learn for simple things, yet has an amazing depth. And, as I mentioned before, it does it all in plain text. It exports to HTML, LibreOffice, LaTeX and lots of other things. Highly recommended (but you do have to use emacs). Cheers, Alan On 03/03/14 13:17, Scott Kostyshak wrote: Great, thanks for the suggestions. I'll take a look at TreeLine. I'll also look at Org-mode (I don't use Emacs but I'm always interested in trying new tools). I should have mentioned that a lot of the books I read have math in them and I enjoy using LyX to write math-related notes. I guess I'll have to make some sacrifices either way I decide to go. Best, Scott On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Alan Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote: I also agree that a good outliner is the way to go. If you use Emacs, the have a look at Org-mode: http://orgmode.org/ Brilliant stuff all in plain text files. On 3 March 2014 05:53, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote: On Sun, 2 Mar 2014, Scott Kostyshak wrote: I take notes while reading books and am looking for a way to improve my messy organization of them. I agress with Steve that LyX is the wrong tool for taking notes. Take a very close look at TreeLine http://treeline.bellz.org/. It's exactly what you're looking for. I use it to track contacts with prospects and clients and have for several years now. It's flexible, adaptable, and will do just what you want as long as you read the docs and set up the database(s) for your specific needs. Rich -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206sip:typh...@iptel.org -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: LyX for writing notes about a book
With Org-mode you can enter special symbols, subscripts and superscripts, LaTeX fragments and you can preview the LaTeX fragments directly in emacs: http://orgmode.org/manual/Embedded-LaTeX.html#Embedded-LaTeX Special symbols: \alpha, \beta and \gama Super/subscripts: The mass of the sun is M_sun = 1.989 x 10^30 kg Math: Let $a^2=b$ Org-mode is quick to learn for simple things, yet has an amazing depth. And, as I mentioned before, it does it all in plain text. It exports to HTML, LibreOffice, LaTeX and lots of other things. Highly recommended (but you do have to use emacs). Cheers, Alan On 03/03/14 13:17, Scott Kostyshak wrote: Great, thanks for the suggestions. I'll take a look at TreeLine. I'll also look at Org-mode (I don't use Emacs but I'm always interested in trying new tools). I should have mentioned that a lot of the books I read have math in them and I enjoy using LyX to write math-related notes. I guess I'll have to make some sacrifices either way I decide to go. Best, Scott On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Alan Tyree <alanty...@gmail.com> wrote: I also agree that a good outliner is the way to go. If you use Emacs, the have a look at Org-mode: http://orgmode.org/ Brilliant stuff all in plain text files. On 3 March 2014 05:53, Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com> wrote: On Sun, 2 Mar 2014, Scott Kostyshak wrote: I take notes while reading books and am looking for a way to improve my messy organization of them. I agress with Steve that LyX is the wrong tool for taking notes. Take a very close look at TreeLine <http://treeline.bellz.org/>. It's exactly what you're looking for. I use it to track contacts with prospects and clients and have for several years now. It's flexible, adaptable, and will do just what you want as long as you read the docs and set up the database(s) for your specific needs. Rich -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206sip:typh...@iptel.org -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: We need ePub/Mobi conversion: was: Book Frontmatter
SNIP And instead of using the LyX exporters, try tex4ht to make the html file. I think I tried lyx-latex-tex4ht once before, and something went wrong, though I no longer remember what. And process the html file through tidy before using Pandoc. That's a good idea, although Python's lxml.etree can read well formed XML in any form, and has its own pretty print. I haven't tried this, so please don't waste your time on it if inconvenient. Pandoc seems at its strongest when starting with a Markdown file. LOL, if it leads to LyX to ePub, it will be anything but a waste of time. I'm going to try that tex4ht again and see what happens. Hi Steve, According to my notes from 2009, I used tex4ht using the following commands: - htlatex file.tex xhtml,mathml -cunihtf -cvalidate - tidy -m -asxhtml name.html I was just trying to make presentable XHTML files, so I don't know how 'good' they are for your purposes. When the htlatex command runs, it will stop once in a while waiting for input. Again, my notes say to use 'R ret'. I just ran it on a reasonable size file and need to use the 'R' command about 3 times. I should mention that I am on Debian Wheezy. HTH, Alan Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: We need ePub/Mobi conversion: was: Book Frontmatter
SNIP And instead of using the LyX exporters, try tex4ht to make the html file. I think I tried lyx-latex-tex4ht once before, and something went wrong, though I no longer remember what. And process the html file through tidy before using Pandoc. That's a good idea, although Python's lxml.etree can read well formed XML in any form, and has its own pretty print. I haven't tried this, so please don't waste your time on it if inconvenient. Pandoc seems at its strongest when starting with a Markdown file. LOL, if it leads to LyX to ePub, it will be anything but a waste of time. I'm going to try that tex4ht again and see what happens. Hi Steve, According to my notes from 2009, I used tex4ht using the following commands: - htlatex file.tex xhtml,mathml -cunihtf -cvalidate - tidy -m -asxhtml name.html I was just trying to make presentable XHTML files, so I don't know how 'good' they are for your purposes. When the htlatex command runs, it will stop once in a while waiting for input. Again, my notes say to use 'R ret'. I just ran it on a reasonable size file and need to use the 'R' command about 3 times. I should mention that I am on Debian Wheezy. HTH, Alan Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: We need ePub/Mobi conversion: was: Book Frontmatter
>> And instead of using the LyX >> exporters, try tex4ht to make the html file. > > I think I tried lyx->latex->tex4ht once before, and something went > wrong, though I no longer remember what. > >> And process the html file >> through tidy before using Pandoc. > > That's a good idea, although Python's lxml.etree can read well formed > XML in any form, and has its own pretty print. >> >> I haven't tried this, so please don't waste your time on it if >> inconvenient. Pandoc seems at its strongest when starting with a >> Markdown file. > > LOL, if it leads to LyX to ePub, it will be anything but a waste of > time. I'm going to try that tex4ht again and see what happens. > Hi Steve, According to my notes from 2009, I used tex4ht using the following commands: - htlatex file.tex "xhtml,mathml" "-cunihtf" "-cvalidate" - tidy -m -asxhtml name.html I was just trying to make presentable XHTML files, so I don't know how 'good' they are for your purposes. When the htlatex command runs, it will stop once in a while waiting for input. Again, my notes say to use 'R '. I just ran it on a reasonable size file and need to use the 'R' command about 3 times. I should mention that I am on Debian Wheezy. HTH, Alan > Thanks, > > SteveT > > Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ > Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: We need ePub/Mobi conversion: was: Book Frontmatter
Well, that's a bit disappointing. Thanks for the full report. I've only used Pandoc for simple conversions, so haven't looked deeply at the configuration options that might help with the problems that you identify below. One last approach might be interesting to try: What about LyX - (X)html, then process through Pandoc. And instead of using the LyX exporters, try tex4ht to make the html file. And process the html file through tidy before using Pandoc. I haven't tried this, so please don't waste your time on it if inconvenient. Pandoc seems at its strongest when starting with a Markdown file. Cheers, Alan Steve Litt writes: On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 05:25:58 +1100 Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for the top posting, but this is short. My own view is that an ePub exporter for LyX would make it a killer application. Thanks for your comments, Steve. Have you looked at Pandoc? Cheers, Alan Hi Alan, I hadn't known about Pandoc. Thanks for the heads-up. I looked up Pandoc here: http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/ For the following ascii art, please switch to monospace font... .___. .__. LyXformat-|LyX|-LaTeXformat-|Pandoc|-ePubFormat ` The preceding looked simple enough, so I downloaded and installed Pandoc, and tried it on one of my simpler books. It indeed produced an ePub, and in certain respects a good one. But not nearly good enough to sell. No table of contents. No cover. No images: all images referred to only by their Alt text. All cross reference labels exposed as text with arbitrary subscript formatting in places. The good news is it managed to keep footnotes and the like, but that's not good enough. I spoze theoretically I could have used other options on my lyx -export command, or on my pandoc command, so these things wouldn't happen, or perhaps I could have made restrictions on the authoring of my book in LyX, but these things would need to be examined later. Another way to use Pandoc might be this: .___. .__. LyXformat-|LyX|-LaTeXformat-|Pandoc|-xhtml-. ` | .-' | | ._. ._. `-|xhtml Tweaker|-xhtml-|My xhtml2epub|-ePub ``` ``` The preceding would depend on: A) Pandoc retaining enough info, including semantic styles, to make all book elements B) Pandoc producing xhtml sane enough that the tweaker is something that can actually be written. So I tried using Pandoc to convert my LaTeX book to (X)html. The result had no head (and this might be an advantage), it had all sorts of garbage characters (perhaps this could be fixed in the head I would insert), but, the kiss of death is this: It took all my semantic styles (environments and character styles), kinda-sorta converted them to presentation, and discarded the semantic styles, so that in my head I can't specify the link between semantic styles and presentation. Once those semantic styles are gone, no matter how clever a programmer I am, I don't have the necessary input info to govern the look of my eBook. This is a showstopper that cannot be recovered from. So unless somebody knows of a way to prevent Pandoc from pulling an MSWord move and prematurely converting semantic to presentational, my opinion is that Pandoc is worthless for this task. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: We need ePub/Mobi conversion: was: Book Frontmatter
Well, that's a bit disappointing. Thanks for the full report. I've only used Pandoc for simple conversions, so haven't looked deeply at the configuration options that might help with the problems that you identify below. One last approach might be interesting to try: What about LyX - (X)html, then process through Pandoc. And instead of using the LyX exporters, try tex4ht to make the html file. And process the html file through tidy before using Pandoc. I haven't tried this, so please don't waste your time on it if inconvenient. Pandoc seems at its strongest when starting with a Markdown file. Cheers, Alan Steve Litt writes: On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 05:25:58 +1100 Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for the top posting, but this is short. My own view is that an ePub exporter for LyX would make it a killer application. Thanks for your comments, Steve. Have you looked at Pandoc? Cheers, Alan Hi Alan, I hadn't known about Pandoc. Thanks for the heads-up. I looked up Pandoc here: http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/ For the following ascii art, please switch to monospace font... .___. .__. LyXformat-|LyX|-LaTeXformat-|Pandoc|-ePubFormat ` The preceding looked simple enough, so I downloaded and installed Pandoc, and tried it on one of my simpler books. It indeed produced an ePub, and in certain respects a good one. But not nearly good enough to sell. No table of contents. No cover. No images: all images referred to only by their Alt text. All cross reference labels exposed as text with arbitrary subscript formatting in places. The good news is it managed to keep footnotes and the like, but that's not good enough. I spoze theoretically I could have used other options on my lyx -export command, or on my pandoc command, so these things wouldn't happen, or perhaps I could have made restrictions on the authoring of my book in LyX, but these things would need to be examined later. Another way to use Pandoc might be this: .___. .__. LyXformat-|LyX|-LaTeXformat-|Pandoc|-xhtml-. ` | .-' | | ._. ._. `-|xhtml Tweaker|-xhtml-|My xhtml2epub|-ePub ``` ``` The preceding would depend on: A) Pandoc retaining enough info, including semantic styles, to make all book elements B) Pandoc producing xhtml sane enough that the tweaker is something that can actually be written. So I tried using Pandoc to convert my LaTeX book to (X)html. The result had no head (and this might be an advantage), it had all sorts of garbage characters (perhaps this could be fixed in the head I would insert), but, the kiss of death is this: It took all my semantic styles (environments and character styles), kinda-sorta converted them to presentation, and discarded the semantic styles, so that in my head I can't specify the link between semantic styles and presentation. Once those semantic styles are gone, no matter how clever a programmer I am, I don't have the necessary input info to govern the look of my eBook. This is a showstopper that cannot be recovered from. So unless somebody knows of a way to prevent Pandoc from pulling an MSWord move and prematurely converting semantic to presentational, my opinion is that Pandoc is worthless for this task. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: We need ePub/Mobi conversion: was: Book Frontmatter
Well, that's a bit disappointing. Thanks for the full report. I've only used Pandoc for simple conversions, so haven't looked deeply at the configuration options that might help with the problems that you identify below. One last approach might be interesting to try: What about LyX -> (X)html, then process through Pandoc. And instead of using the LyX exporters, try tex4ht to make the html file. And process the html file through tidy before using Pandoc. I haven't tried this, so please don't waste your time on it if inconvenient. Pandoc seems at its strongest when starting with a Markdown file. Cheers, Alan Steve Litt writes: > On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 05:25:58 +1100 > Alan L Tyree <alanty...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sorry for the top posting, but this is short. My own view is that an >> ePub exporter for LyX would make it a killer application. >> >> Thanks for your comments, Steve. Have you looked at Pandoc? >> >> Cheers, >> Alan > > Hi Alan, > > I hadn't known about Pandoc. Thanks for the heads-up. I looked up Pandoc > here: > > http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/ > > For the following ascii art, please switch to monospace font... > >.___. .__. > LyXformat->|LyX|->LaTeXformat->|Pandoc|->ePubFormat >` > > The preceding looked simple enough, so I downloaded and installed > Pandoc, and tried it on one of my simpler books. It indeed produced an > ePub, and in certain respects a good one. But not nearly good enough to > sell. No table of contents. No cover. No images: all images referred to > only by their Alt text. All cross reference labels exposed as text with > arbitrary subscript formatting in places. The good news is it managed > to keep footnotes and the like, but that's not good enough. I spoze > theoretically I could have used other options on my lyx -export > command, or on my pandoc command, so these things wouldn't happen, or > perhaps I could have made restrictions on the authoring of my book in > LyX, but these things would need to be examined later. > > Another way to use Pandoc might be this: > >.___. .__. > LyXformat->|LyX|->LaTeXformat->|Pandoc|->xhtml-. >` | > .-' > | > | ._. ._. > `->|xhtml Tweaker|->xhtml->|My xhtml2epub|->ePub > ``` ``` > > The preceding would depend on: > > A) Pandoc retaining enough info, including semantic styles, to make all >book elements > B) Pandoc producing xhtml sane enough that the tweaker is something >that can actually be written. > > So I tried using Pandoc to convert my LaTeX book to (X)html. The result > had no (and this might be an advantage), it had all sorts of > garbage characters (perhaps this could be fixed in the I would > insert), but, the kiss of death is this: It took all my semantic styles > (environments and character styles), kinda-sorta converted them to > presentation, and discarded the semantic styles, so that in my > I can't specify the link between semantic styles and presentation. > Once those semantic styles are gone, no matter how clever a programmer > I am, I don't have the necessary input info to govern the look of my > eBook. This is a showstopper that cannot be recovered from. > > So unless somebody knows of a way to prevent Pandoc from pulling an > MSWord move and prematurely converting semantic to presentational, my > opinion is that Pandoc is worthless for this task. > > Thanks, > > SteveT > > Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ > Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: We need ePub/Mobi conversion: was: Book Frontmatter
Sorry for the top posting, but this is short. My own view is that an ePub exporter for LyX would make it a killer application. Thanks for your comments, Steve. Have you looked at Pandoc? Cheers, Alan Steve Litt writes: On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 09:35:46 + Anthony Campbell a...@acampbell.org.uk wrote: This is for printed books. As regards conversion to ebook format, I've done this for several books on Smashwords, but that is quite a long-winded process because it has to be Word.doc format, which I do in LibreOffice (not much fun). Kindle does accept rtf, which would help, but as I'd already made Word.doc files I just used those. Anthony Ladies and gentlemen, if the preceding paragraph doesn't convince us we need a good, solid, LyX to ePub and LyX to Mobi conversion (do ePub first, you can convert ePub into Mobi), then nothing will. Instead of slamming out his book in LyX, Anthony must use an outside service (smashwords), meaning a two word modification is, as Joe Biden would say, a Big Friggin Deal. Further, to satisfy Smashwords he must write it in LibreOffice to simulate MS Word. Or, if he's just doing Kindle, he can submit rtf (what could *possibly* go wrong). You can't base a LyX to ePub converter off either LyX2Xhtml or Alex's eLyXer: Those produce great (X)html for stuff like footnotes and bibliographies, but they discard semantic tags (h1-h6) for variously named divs (yeah, div, not even p), as I remember they still use outdated a name=whatever/ instead of giving an ID to a tag. One or both of them does you the favor of renaming all graphic files to a numerical sequence: I guess this is to prevent identically named graphics in different directories from clobbering each other, but there are better ways of doing this that don't have the anti-debugging baggage of removing all meaning from graphic names. Current LyX exported (X)html files just generally require *huge* postprocessing, with zillions of special cases, to get them in reasonable shape to make an ePub. If that were not the case, somebody would have made a LyX2ePub a long, long time ago, because the demand is there, and a lot of people have that itch, and I'm not the only one who has tried to do it. Shamefully, because I need to be able to have my books available as ePubs, after 13 years using LyX to write my books, I'm now using the Bluefish editor to write my future books. I've written an Xhtml to ePub converter in Python, and I can write an Xhtml to LaTeX converter just as easily. But let me ask you something: Have you ever tried to slam out 2500 words a day in Bluefish? Bluefish will never have the authoring speed of LyX. But then again, as things stand now, a LyX authored document will never be convertible to ePub. The shame is, in theory, LyX to ePub is simple. Every environment becomes p class=environmentname, every character style becomes span class=charstylename. Leave div out of it except for every special cases. Even lyx-code should become pre class=lyxcode, not div class=lyxcode. A special one-per-book configuration file (I did mine in YAML) defines the assignment of Part, Chapter, Section, Subsection etc to h1, h2, h3, h4 etc, and defines which go in the table of contents, and which get numbers and what prefix the number gets (Part, Chapter, etc). I've already done this: It works. Don't worry about converting LyX environment and char style defs to CSS, just list all paragraph and char styles, so that the author can make the necessary CSS. CSS is *much* easier to define than LaTeX environments and commands. And yes, let the author know that this export requires the author use only a subset of LyX's capabilities. I briefly considered writing Yet Another LyX to HTML Exporter, but found out that in spite of LyX's native format being Non Human Friendly XML, it's not *well formed* XML, so I can't use Python's lxml.etree, let alone Python's xml.etree.ElementTree, to parse it. Perhaps if LyX offered an export to well-formed XML, hopefully with a DTD, I could parse that to produce ePub-friendly Xhtml, but as far as I know that doesn't exist either. Anyway, I would suggest anyone who is working on any portion of a LyX to ePub conversion talk with me. I'm pretty knowledgeable about ePub, and I've already identified a lot of the dead ends and blind alleys in ePub creation, and I know what parts of the LyX document should go into the ePub, and which parts would be better re-done as either config or CSS. My switch to Bluefish isn't cast in concrete: Once LyX contains a good, generic, reliable LyX to ePub or even LyX to ePub friendly Xhtml conversion, I can switch back. If you do it soon enough, I won't even have to write an Xhtml to LaTeX converter :-) Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748
Re: We need ePub/Mobi conversion: was: Book Frontmatter
Sorry for the top posting, but this is short. My own view is that an ePub exporter for LyX would make it a killer application. Thanks for your comments, Steve. Have you looked at Pandoc? Cheers, Alan Steve Litt writes: On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 09:35:46 + Anthony Campbell a...@acampbell.org.uk wrote: This is for printed books. As regards conversion to ebook format, I've done this for several books on Smashwords, but that is quite a long-winded process because it has to be Word.doc format, which I do in LibreOffice (not much fun). Kindle does accept rtf, which would help, but as I'd already made Word.doc files I just used those. Anthony Ladies and gentlemen, if the preceding paragraph doesn't convince us we need a good, solid, LyX to ePub and LyX to Mobi conversion (do ePub first, you can convert ePub into Mobi), then nothing will. Instead of slamming out his book in LyX, Anthony must use an outside service (smashwords), meaning a two word modification is, as Joe Biden would say, a Big Friggin Deal. Further, to satisfy Smashwords he must write it in LibreOffice to simulate MS Word. Or, if he's just doing Kindle, he can submit rtf (what could *possibly* go wrong). You can't base a LyX to ePub converter off either LyX2Xhtml or Alex's eLyXer: Those produce great (X)html for stuff like footnotes and bibliographies, but they discard semantic tags (h1-h6) for variously named divs (yeah, div, not even p), as I remember they still use outdated a name=whatever/ instead of giving an ID to a tag. One or both of them does you the favor of renaming all graphic files to a numerical sequence: I guess this is to prevent identically named graphics in different directories from clobbering each other, but there are better ways of doing this that don't have the anti-debugging baggage of removing all meaning from graphic names. Current LyX exported (X)html files just generally require *huge* postprocessing, with zillions of special cases, to get them in reasonable shape to make an ePub. If that were not the case, somebody would have made a LyX2ePub a long, long time ago, because the demand is there, and a lot of people have that itch, and I'm not the only one who has tried to do it. Shamefully, because I need to be able to have my books available as ePubs, after 13 years using LyX to write my books, I'm now using the Bluefish editor to write my future books. I've written an Xhtml to ePub converter in Python, and I can write an Xhtml to LaTeX converter just as easily. But let me ask you something: Have you ever tried to slam out 2500 words a day in Bluefish? Bluefish will never have the authoring speed of LyX. But then again, as things stand now, a LyX authored document will never be convertible to ePub. The shame is, in theory, LyX to ePub is simple. Every environment becomes p class=environmentname, every character style becomes span class=charstylename. Leave div out of it except for every special cases. Even lyx-code should become pre class=lyxcode, not div class=lyxcode. A special one-per-book configuration file (I did mine in YAML) defines the assignment of Part, Chapter, Section, Subsection etc to h1, h2, h3, h4 etc, and defines which go in the table of contents, and which get numbers and what prefix the number gets (Part, Chapter, etc). I've already done this: It works. Don't worry about converting LyX environment and char style defs to CSS, just list all paragraph and char styles, so that the author can make the necessary CSS. CSS is *much* easier to define than LaTeX environments and commands. And yes, let the author know that this export requires the author use only a subset of LyX's capabilities. I briefly considered writing Yet Another LyX to HTML Exporter, but found out that in spite of LyX's native format being Non Human Friendly XML, it's not *well formed* XML, so I can't use Python's lxml.etree, let alone Python's xml.etree.ElementTree, to parse it. Perhaps if LyX offered an export to well-formed XML, hopefully with a DTD, I could parse that to produce ePub-friendly Xhtml, but as far as I know that doesn't exist either. Anyway, I would suggest anyone who is working on any portion of a LyX to ePub conversion talk with me. I'm pretty knowledgeable about ePub, and I've already identified a lot of the dead ends and blind alleys in ePub creation, and I know what parts of the LyX document should go into the ePub, and which parts would be better re-done as either config or CSS. My switch to Bluefish isn't cast in concrete: Once LyX contains a good, generic, reliable LyX to ePub or even LyX to ePub friendly Xhtml conversion, I can switch back. If you do it soon enough, I won't even have to write an Xhtml to LaTeX converter :-) Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748
Re: We need ePub/Mobi conversion: was: Book Frontmatter
Sorry for the top posting, but this is short. My own view is that an ePub exporter for LyX would make it a killer application. Thanks for your comments, Steve. Have you looked at Pandoc? Cheers, Alan Steve Litt writes: > On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 09:35:46 + > Anthony Campbell <a...@acampbell.org.uk> wrote: > > >> This is for printed books. As regards conversion to ebook format, I've >> done this for several books on Smashwords, but that is quite a >> long-winded process because it has to be Word.doc format, which I do >> in LibreOffice (not much fun). Kindle does accept rtf, which would >> help, but as I'd already made Word.doc files I just used those. >> >> Anthony > > Ladies and gentlemen, if the preceding paragraph doesn't convince us we > need a good, solid, LyX to ePub and LyX to Mobi conversion (do ePub > first, you can convert ePub into Mobi), then nothing will. Instead of > slamming out his book in LyX, Anthony must use an outside service > (smashwords), meaning a two word modification is, as Joe Biden would > say, a Big Friggin Deal. Further, to satisfy Smashwords he must write it > in LibreOffice to simulate MS Word. Or, if he's just doing Kindle, he > can submit rtf (what could *possibly* go wrong). > > You can't base a LyX to ePub converter off either LyX2Xhtml or Alex's > eLyXer: Those produce great (X)html for stuff like footnotes and > bibliographies, but they discard semantic tags (h1-h6) for variously > named divs (yeah, , not even ), as I remember they still use > outdated instead of giving an ID to a tag. One or > both of them does you the "favor" of renaming all graphic files to a > numerical sequence: I guess this is to prevent identically named > graphics in different directories from clobbering each other, but there > are better ways of doing this that don't have the anti-debugging > baggage of removing all meaning from graphic names. Current > LyX exported (X)html files just generally require *huge* > postprocessing, with zillions of special cases, to get them in > reasonable shape to make an ePub. If that were not the case, somebody > would have made a LyX2ePub a long, long time ago, because the demand is > there, and a lot of people have that itch, and I'm not the only one > who has tried to do it. > > Shamefully, because I need to be able to have my books available as > ePubs, after 13 years using LyX to write my books, I'm now using the > Bluefish editor to write my future books. I've written an Xhtml to ePub > converter in Python, and I can write an Xhtml to LaTeX converter just > as easily. But let me ask you something: Have you ever tried to slam > out 2500 words a day in Bluefish? Bluefish will never have the > authoring speed of LyX. But then again, as things stand now, a LyX > authored document will never be convertible to ePub. > > The shame is, in theory, LyX to ePub is simple. Every environment > becomes , every character style becomes > . Leave out of it except for every > special cases. Even lyx-code should become , not > . > > A special one-per-book configuration file (I did mine in YAML) defines > the assignment of Part, Chapter, Section, Subsection etc to , , > , etc, and defines which go in the table of contents, and > which get numbers and what prefix the number gets (Part, Chapter, etc). > I've already done this: It works. Don't worry about converting LyX > environment and char style defs to CSS, just list all paragraph and > char styles, so that the author can make the necessary CSS. CSS is > *much* easier to define than LaTeX environments and commands. And yes, > let the author know that this export requires the author use only a > subset of LyX's capabilities. > > I briefly considered writing Yet Another LyX to HTML Exporter, but > found out that in spite of LyX's native format being Non Human Friendly > XML, it's not *well formed* XML, so I can't use Python's lxml.etree, > let alone Python's xml.etree.ElementTree, to parse it. Perhaps if LyX > offered an export to well-formed XML, hopefully with a DTD, I could > parse that to produce ePub-friendly Xhtml, but as far as I know that > doesn't exist either. > > Anyway, I would suggest anyone who is working on any portion of a LyX > to ePub conversion talk with me. I'm pretty knowledgeable about ePub, > and I've already identified a lot of the dead ends and blind alleys in > ePub creation, and I know what parts of the LyX document should go into > the ePub, and which parts would be better re-done as either config or > CSS. > > My switch to Bluefish isn't cast in concrete: Once LyX contains a > good, generic, reliable LyX to ePub or even LyX to "ePub friendly" Xhtml > conversion, I can switch back. If you do i
Re: Book Frontmatter
Rich Shepard writes: On Thu, 30 Jan 2014, Steve Litt wrote: Acknowledgements, dedication, title page, copyright page, about the author, table of contents, and sometimes how to use this book or about this book. Thanks, Steve. One more thing: In the old days I recommended ERT fingerpainting the frontmatter. Due to the advent of flowing text eBook formats like ePub and Mobi, This will not be an eBook; it will be printed and bound for each student in the class. It ain't a mass-market trade book. :-) Rich Hi Rich, I would normally defer to Steve on most of these questions, but I do think that a printed book has a more or less standard set of frontmatter pages. In my little (and mostly outdated) book 'Self-publishing with LyX', I discuss the ordinary frontmatter pages and how they might be set up with the ordinary book class. http://www.lulu.com/content/1085870 HTH, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Book Frontmatter
On 31/01/14 05:47, Rich Shepard wrote: On Fri, 31 Jan 2014, Alan L Tyree wrote: I would normally defer to Steve on most of these questions, but I do think that a printed book has a more or less standard set of frontmatter pages. Alan, As Stafano pointed out to me in an off-list message, the Chicago Manual of Style has (in my copy of the 15th Edition) Appendix A on design and producion which runs 54 pages. :-) And I'll be working the Gorham Publishers in Centralia, WA (that's Washington state, not Western Australia) who will likely have their standards, too. I guess the CMS will address 'Brevity' in the second volume :-). Anyway, I agree with Steve that it is worth the time to set up styles for each aspect of the frontmatter. I've heard of WA. Isn't there some sort of software company there? Cheers, Alan Thanks, Rich -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: Book Frontmatter
Rich Shepard writes: On Thu, 30 Jan 2014, Steve Litt wrote: Acknowledgements, dedication, title page, copyright page, about the author, table of contents, and sometimes how to use this book or about this book. Thanks, Steve. One more thing: In the old days I recommended ERT fingerpainting the frontmatter. Due to the advent of flowing text eBook formats like ePub and Mobi, This will not be an eBook; it will be printed and bound for each student in the class. It ain't a mass-market trade book. :-) Rich Hi Rich, I would normally defer to Steve on most of these questions, but I do think that a printed book has a more or less standard set of frontmatter pages. In my little (and mostly outdated) book 'Self-publishing with LyX', I discuss the ordinary frontmatter pages and how they might be set up with the ordinary book class. http://www.lulu.com/content/1085870 HTH, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Book Frontmatter
On 31/01/14 05:47, Rich Shepard wrote: On Fri, 31 Jan 2014, Alan L Tyree wrote: I would normally defer to Steve on most of these questions, but I do think that a printed book has a more or less standard set of frontmatter pages. Alan, As Stafano pointed out to me in an off-list message, the Chicago Manual of Style has (in my copy of the 15th Edition) Appendix A on design and producion which runs 54 pages. :-) And I'll be working the Gorham Publishers in Centralia, WA (that's Washington state, not Western Australia) who will likely have their standards, too. I guess the CMS will address 'Brevity' in the second volume :-). Anyway, I agree with Steve that it is worth the time to set up styles for each aspect of the frontmatter. I've heard of WA. Isn't there some sort of software company there? Cheers, Alan Thanks, Rich -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: Book Frontmatter
Rich Shepard writes: > On Thu, 30 Jan 2014, Steve Litt wrote: > >> Acknowledgements, dedication, title page, copyright page, about the >> author, table of contents, and sometimes "how to use this book" or "about >> this book." > >Thanks, Steve. > >> One more thing: In the old days I recommended ERT fingerpainting the >> frontmatter. Due to the advent of flowing text eBook formats like ePub and >> Mobi, > >This will not be an eBook; it will be printed and bound for each student > in the class. It ain't a mass-market trade book. :-) > > Rich Hi Rich, I would normally defer to Steve on most of these questions, but I do think that a printed book has a more or less standard set of frontmatter pages. In my little (and mostly outdated) book 'Self-publishing with LyX', I discuss the ordinary frontmatter pages and how they might be set up with the ordinary book class. http://www.lulu.com/content/1085870 HTH, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Book Frontmatter
On 31/01/14 05:47, Rich Shepard wrote: On Fri, 31 Jan 2014, Alan L Tyree wrote: I would normally defer to Steve on most of these questions, but I do think that a printed book has a more or less standard set of frontmatter pages. Alan, As Stafano pointed out to me in an off-list message, the Chicago Manual of Style has (in my copy of the 15th Edition) Appendix A on design and producion which runs 54 pages. :-) And I'll be working the Gorham Publishers in Centralia, WA (that's Washington state, not Western Australia) who will likely have their standards, too. I guess the CMS will address 'Brevity' in the second volume :-). Anyway, I agree with Steve that it is worth the time to set up styles for each aspect of the frontmatter. I've heard of WA. Isn't there some sort of software company there? Cheers, Alan Thanks, Rich -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: Why People Give Up on Groups.
gordon_cooper writes: Hello to all, I have been a Lyx user for a year or so and regarded this Group as place to find help. I am saddened to see it descend into a slanging session. I quit, Gordon New Zealand Don't let one bad thread drive you away, Gordon. Mostly the list is one of the friendliest around as well as being one of the most helpful. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Why People Give Up on Groups.
gordon_cooper writes: Hello to all, I have been a Lyx user for a year or so and regarded this Group as place to find help. I am saddened to see it descend into a slanging session. I quit, Gordon New Zealand Don't let one bad thread drive you away, Gordon. Mostly the list is one of the friendliest around as well as being one of the most helpful. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Why People Give Up on Groups.
gordon_cooper writes: > Hello to all, > I have been a Lyx user for a year or so and regarded > this Group as place to find help. I am saddened to see it descend > into a slanging session. > > I quit, > Gordon > New Zealand Don't let one bad thread drive you away, Gordon. Mostly the list is one of the friendliest around as well as being one of the most helpful. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Formatting Article for PLoS One
Jane Shevtsov writes: I'm trying to format an article for submission to PLoS One. I'm using their BiBTeX style sheet (http://www.plosone.org/static/plos2009.bst) and the bibliography works fine but I get (author?) errors in the text when trying to cite an article as Author [ID]. Apparently, this is because their style file isn't a Natbib style, but changing the bibliography style to default or Jurabib doesn't work. Is there anything I can do short of typing authors' names by hand? Hi Jane, I usually get that when LyX can't find the .bib files. Can you check that out? Cheers, Alan Also, PLoS provides a template for LaTeX users. ( http://www.plosone.org/static/plos_template.tex) What do I do with that thing? I tried just importing the template into LyX and copying my text into it, but it's not at all clear what to do with the figure legends and tables. Do I edit the ERT directly? Thanks, Jane -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Formatting Article for PLoS One
Jane Shevtsov writes: I'm trying to format an article for submission to PLoS One. I'm using their BiBTeX style sheet (http://www.plosone.org/static/plos2009.bst) and the bibliography works fine but I get (author?) errors in the text when trying to cite an article as Author [ID]. Apparently, this is because their style file isn't a Natbib style, but changing the bibliography style to default or Jurabib doesn't work. Is there anything I can do short of typing authors' names by hand? Hi Jane, I usually get that when LyX can't find the .bib files. Can you check that out? Cheers, Alan Also, PLoS provides a template for LaTeX users. ( http://www.plosone.org/static/plos_template.tex) What do I do with that thing? I tried just importing the template into LyX and copying my text into it, but it's not at all clear what to do with the figure legends and tables. Do I edit the ERT directly? Thanks, Jane -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Formatting Article for PLoS One
Jane Shevtsov writes: > I'm trying to format an article for submission to PLoS One. I'm using their > BiBTeX style sheet (http://www.plosone.org/static/plos2009.bst) and the > bibliography works fine but I get "(author?)" errors in the text when > trying to cite an article as Author [ID]. Apparently, this is because their > style file isn't a Natbib style, but changing the bibliography style to > default or Jurabib doesn't work. Is there anything I can do short of typing > authors' names by hand? Hi Jane, I usually get that when LyX can't find the .bib files. Can you check that out? Cheers, Alan > > Also, PLoS provides a template for LaTeX users. ( > http://www.plosone.org/static/plos_template.tex) What do I do with that > thing? I tried just importing the template into LyX and copying my text > into it, but it's not at all clear what to do with the figure legends and > tables. Do I edit the ERT directly? > > Thanks, > Jane -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Question #3: LyX and LaTeX and TeX
Ken Springer writes: On 9/1/13 11:06 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Sun, 1 Sep 2013 08:29:23 +0200 Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com wrote: snip It sounds as if Lyx/LaTeX has a higher learning curve than I was hoping for. But it intrigues me. :-) I've got some simple help documents I want to create, and I want them to look as best as I can. So, I think, in about a month when I'm out of work again, I'll download LaTeX and work with it, then get into LyX. FWIW, I don't agree with this. You can become productive with LyX *very* quickly without knowing anything about LaTeX. You can produce nice looking standardised documents. It's magic. Of course, you will eventually want to customise. THAT is the time to start looking at LaTeX IMHO. Cheers, Alan Thanks to everyone for all the advice offered. -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Question #3: LyX and LaTeX and TeX
Ken Springer writes: On 9/1/13 11:06 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Sun, 1 Sep 2013 08:29:23 +0200 Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com wrote: snip It sounds as if Lyx/LaTeX has a higher learning curve than I was hoping for. But it intrigues me. :-) I've got some simple help documents I want to create, and I want them to look as best as I can. So, I think, in about a month when I'm out of work again, I'll download LaTeX and work with it, then get into LyX. FWIW, I don't agree with this. You can become productive with LyX *very* quickly without knowing anything about LaTeX. You can produce nice looking standardised documents. It's magic. Of course, you will eventually want to customise. THAT is the time to start looking at LaTeX IMHO. Cheers, Alan Thanks to everyone for all the advice offered. -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Question #3: LyX and LaTeX and TeX
Ken Springer writes: > On 9/1/13 11:06 AM, Steve Litt wrote: >> On Sun, 1 Sep 2013 08:29:23 +0200 >> Liviu Andronic <landronim...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > It sounds as if Lyx/LaTeX has a higher learning curve than I was hoping for. > > But it intrigues me. :-) I've got some simple help documents I want > to create, and I want them to look as best as I can. So, I think, in > about a month when I'm out of work again, I'll download LaTeX and work > with it, then get into LyX. FWIW, I don't agree with this. You can become productive with LyX *very* quickly without knowing anything about LaTeX. You can produce nice looking standardised documents. It's magic. Of course, you will eventually want to customise. THAT is the time to start looking at LaTeX IMHO. Cheers, Alan > > Thanks to everyone for all the advice offered. -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Importing LaTeX file with multiple indexes
On 23/08/13 23:33, Richard Heck wrote:
On 08/20/2013 08:16 PM, Alan L Tyree wrote:
I'm having trouble with this. I have a LaTeX file with multiple
indexes (defined in accordance with LyX conventions). I want to
convert it to LyX.
The relevant part of the preamble looks like this:
\usepackage{splitidx}
\makeindex
\newindex[Index]{idx}
\newindex[Table of Statutes]{tab}
\newindex[Table of Cases]{tab1}
Except for the Index entries, I'm not getting a clean import. Is
there some trick to this?
You might ask about this on devel. I'm not sure if tex2lyx handles
multiple indexes.
Richard
Thanks, Richard. After quite a bit of experimentation, I'm pretty sure
that it doesn't.
Cheers,
Alan
--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: Importing LaTeX file with multiple indexes
On 23/08/13 23:33, Richard Heck wrote:
On 08/20/2013 08:16 PM, Alan L Tyree wrote:
I'm having trouble with this. I have a LaTeX file with multiple
indexes (defined in accordance with LyX conventions). I want to
convert it to LyX.
The relevant part of the preamble looks like this:
\usepackage{splitidx}
\makeindex
\newindex[Index]{idx}
\newindex[Table of Statutes]{tab}
\newindex[Table of Cases]{tab1}
Except for the Index entries, I'm not getting a clean import. Is
there some trick to this?
You might ask about this on devel. I'm not sure if tex2lyx handles
multiple indexes.
Richard
Thanks, Richard. After quite a bit of experimentation, I'm pretty sure
that it doesn't.
Cheers,
Alan
--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: Importing LaTeX file with multiple indexes
On 23/08/13 23:33, Richard Heck wrote:
On 08/20/2013 08:16 PM, Alan L Tyree wrote:
I'm having trouble with this. I have a LaTeX file with multiple
indexes (defined in accordance with LyX conventions). I want to
convert it to LyX.
The relevant part of the preamble looks like this:
\usepackage{splitidx}
\makeindex
\newindex[Index]{idx}
\newindex[Table of Statutes]{tab}
\newindex[Table of Cases]{tab1}
Except for the Index entries, I'm not getting a clean import. Is
there some trick to this?
You might ask about this on devel. I'm not sure if tex2lyx handles
multiple indexes.
Richard
Thanks, Richard. After quite a bit of experimentation, I'm pretty sure
that it doesn't.
Cheers,
Alan
--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor
On 23/08/13 10:26, Jerry wrote: On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote: On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:13:23 -0700 Jerry lancebo...@qwest.net wrote: On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote: My general approach to getting a LyX document into Word format is to us the LyXHTML export, import the exported file into LibreOffice, fix the inevitable problems, and save in DOCX format. How do you import the XHTML from LyXHTML into LibreOffice? When I try it, I see only raw text; it is not rendered. I let the file dialog display all files and assumed that the .xhtml file extension would tell LO what to do but obviously this did not happen. Jerry, One of the inevitable problems. Try changing the .xhtml file extension to .html. I think you can also delve into the advanced settings of LibreOffice to tell it to treat .xhtml files as HTML. Les Les, thanks for that tip, but it didn't change anything--still raw text, either with a document with a few equations (and thus MathML in the XHTML file) or just a simple file containing only the word Hello. FWIW, when I do open the (x)html file, I get a dialog asking for Character set (default = UTF-8), Default fonts (default = Times New Roman), Language (default = English (US)) and Paragraph break (default = LF). I accepted all the defaults. So it looks at that point like something is about to happen, but then I see only raw text. I also looked at Tools - Options - Load/Save - HTML Compatibility but didn't see anything relevant. Jerry Open the HTML file in a text editor and remove the first line, ie, ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? It should then open in LibreOffice. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor
On 23/08/13 10:26, Jerry wrote: On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote: On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:13:23 -0700 Jerry lancebo...@qwest.net wrote: On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote: My general approach to getting a LyX document into Word format is to us the LyXHTML export, import the exported file into LibreOffice, fix the inevitable problems, and save in DOCX format. How do you import the XHTML from LyXHTML into LibreOffice? When I try it, I see only raw text; it is not rendered. I let the file dialog display all files and assumed that the .xhtml file extension would tell LO what to do but obviously this did not happen. Jerry, One of the inevitable problems. Try changing the .xhtml file extension to .html. I think you can also delve into the advanced settings of LibreOffice to tell it to treat .xhtml files as HTML. Les Les, thanks for that tip, but it didn't change anything--still raw text, either with a document with a few equations (and thus MathML in the XHTML file) or just a simple file containing only the word Hello. FWIW, when I do open the (x)html file, I get a dialog asking for Character set (default = UTF-8), Default fonts (default = Times New Roman), Language (default = English (US)) and Paragraph break (default = LF). I accepted all the defaults. So it looks at that point like something is about to happen, but then I see only raw text. I also looked at Tools - Options - Load/Save - HTML Compatibility but didn't see anything relevant. Jerry Open the HTML file in a text editor and remove the first line, ie, ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? It should then open in LibreOffice. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor
On 23/08/13 10:26, Jerry wrote: On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Les Denham <lden...@hal-pc.org> wrote: On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:13:23 -0700 Jerry <lancebo...@qwest.net> wrote: On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Les Denham <lden...@hal-pc.org> wrote: My general approach to getting a LyX document into Word format is to us the LyXHTML export, import the exported file into LibreOffice, fix the inevitable problems, and save in DOCX format. How do you import the XHTML from LyXHTML into LibreOffice? When I try it, I see only raw text; it is not rendered. I let the file dialog display all files and assumed that the .xhtml file extension would tell LO what to do but obviously this did not happen. Jerry, One of the inevitable problems. Try changing the .xhtml file extension to .html. I think you can also delve into the advanced settings of LibreOffice to tell it to treat .xhtml files as HTML. Les Les, thanks for that tip, but it didn't change anything--still raw text, either with a document with a few equations (and thus MathML in the XHTML file) or just a simple file containing only the word "Hello". FWIW, when I do open the (x)html file, I get a dialog asking for Character set (default = UTF-8), Default fonts (default = Times New Roman), Language (default = English (US)) and Paragraph break (default = LF). I accepted all the defaults. So it looks at that point like something is about to happen, but then I see only raw text. I also looked at Tools -> Options -> Load/Save -> HTML Compatibility but didn't see anything relevant. Jerry Open the HTML file in a text editor and remove the first line, ie, version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> It should then open in LibreOffice. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Importing LaTeX file with multiple indexes
I'm having trouble with this. I have a LaTeX file with multiple indexes
(defined in accordance with LyX conventions). I want to convert it to LyX.
The relevant part of the preamble looks like this:
\usepackage{splitidx}
\makeindex
\newindex[Index]{idx}
\newindex[Table of Statutes]{tab}
\newindex[Table of Cases]{tab1}
Except for the Index entries, I'm not getting a clean import. Is there
some trick to this?
Thanks for any pointers,
Alan
--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Importing LaTeX file with multiple indexes
I'm having trouble with this. I have a LaTeX file with multiple indexes
(defined in accordance with LyX conventions). I want to convert it to LyX.
The relevant part of the preamble looks like this:
\usepackage{splitidx}
\makeindex
\newindex[Index]{idx}
\newindex[Table of Statutes]{tab}
\newindex[Table of Cases]{tab1}
Except for the Index entries, I'm not getting a clean import. Is there
some trick to this?
Thanks for any pointers,
Alan
--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Importing LaTeX file with multiple indexes
I'm having trouble with this. I have a LaTeX file with multiple indexes
(defined in accordance with LyX conventions). I want to convert it to LyX.
The relevant part of the preamble looks like this:
\usepackage{splitidx}
\makeindex
\newindex[Index]{idx}
\newindex[Table of Statutes]{tab}
\newindex[Table of Cases]{tab1}
Except for the Index entries, I'm not getting a clean import. Is there
some trick to this?
Thanks for any pointers,
Alan
--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: Anyone know of a best-seller written in LyX
Liviu Andronic writes: On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Murat Yildizoglu myi...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't there already a working corkboard tool for Lyx (but I have never been able to test it), by Rob? Yes, but it has never made its way to trunk. To my understanding the goal of the GSoC project is to polish the outliner/corkboard code, implement the missing bits and when ready merge with current trunk. Liviu We might also look at 'tags' for these idea fragments. Ord-mode lets the user attach tags to headlines. You can then search by tag and organise views by tags. It's a powerful mechanism when you have a large number of fragments. Adding 'non-linear' writing tools to LyX, together with good ePub support, would make it the killer tool for writers. Cheers, Alan 2013/6/12 Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Jan Ulrich Hasecke juhase...@googlemail.com wrote: You can write a bestseller with a pencil or with vim/emacs. LyX could be a publishing environment producing high quality pdfs and ePubs ready for distribution. Our target group are not authors (have a look at Scrivener[1] to see what a program looks like that targets authors) but publishers. This is the goal of one of our GSoC projects this year: http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/NonLinearWriting and http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel/SummerOfCode2013Ideas#toc5 . Liviu -- Prof. Murat Yildizoglu Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113) Avenue Léon Duguit 33608 Pessac cedex France Bureau : E-331 yildi-at-u-bordeaux4.fr web: yildizoglu.info -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Anyone know of a best-seller written in LyX
Liviu Andronic writes: On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Murat Yildizoglu myi...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't there already a working corkboard tool for Lyx (but I have never been able to test it), by Rob? Yes, but it has never made its way to trunk. To my understanding the goal of the GSoC project is to polish the outliner/corkboard code, implement the missing bits and when ready merge with current trunk. Liviu We might also look at 'tags' for these idea fragments. Ord-mode lets the user attach tags to headlines. You can then search by tag and organise views by tags. It's a powerful mechanism when you have a large number of fragments. Adding 'non-linear' writing tools to LyX, together with good ePub support, would make it the killer tool for writers. Cheers, Alan 2013/6/12 Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Jan Ulrich Hasecke juhase...@googlemail.com wrote: You can write a bestseller with a pencil or with vim/emacs. LyX could be a publishing environment producing high quality pdfs and ePubs ready for distribution. Our target group are not authors (have a look at Scrivener[1] to see what a program looks like that targets authors) but publishers. This is the goal of one of our GSoC projects this year: http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/NonLinearWriting and http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel/SummerOfCode2013Ideas#toc5 . Liviu -- Prof. Murat Yildizoglu Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113) Avenue Léon Duguit 33608 Pessac cedex France Bureau : E-331 yildi-at-u-bordeaux4.fr web: yildizoglu.info -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Anyone know of a best-seller written in LyX
Liviu Andronic writes: > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Murat Yildizoglu <myi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Isn't there already a working corkboard tool for Lyx (but I have never been >> able to test it), by Rob? >> > Yes, but it has never made its way to trunk. To my understanding the > goal of the GSoC project is to polish the outliner/corkboard code, > implement the missing bits and when ready merge with current trunk. > > Liviu We might also look at 'tags' for these idea fragments. Ord-mode lets the user attach tags to headlines. You can then search by tag and organise views by tags. It's a powerful mechanism when you have a large number of fragments. Adding 'non-linear' writing tools to LyX, together with good ePub support, would make it the killer tool for writers. Cheers, Alan > > >> >> 2013/6/12 Liviu Andronic <landronim...@gmail.com> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Jan Ulrich Hasecke >>> <juhase...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>> > You can write a bestseller with a pencil or with vim/emacs. LyX could be >>> > a publishing environment producing high quality pdfs and ePubs ready for >>> > distribution. Our target group are not authors (have a look at >>> > Scrivener[1] to see what a program looks like that targets authors) but >>> > publishers. >>> > >>> This is the goal of one of our GSoC projects this year: >>> http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/NonLinearWriting and >>> http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel/SummerOfCode2013Ideas#toc5 . >>> >>> Liviu >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Prof. Murat Yildizoglu >> >> Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV >> GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113) >> Avenue Léon Duguit >> 33608 Pessac cedex >> France >> >> Bureau : E-331 >> >> yildi-at-u-bordeaux4.fr >> >> web: yildizoglu.info -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Anyone know of a best-seller written in LyX
On 10/06/13 00:36, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, On one of my writers' mailing list, after I said I used LyX, a guy who really does have what once was a best-seller wrote this: === As for Lyx, you need to know that, with very few exceptions none of which immediately come to mind open source programs have great appeal for people who want to tinker with computers but almost none for those who actually want to do something. Such apps tend to have butt ugly interfaces and stupid names like Lyx and Snort and Gimp and Phlegm. Last I saw, Lyx wasn't even WYSIWYG, for crying out loud. Forewarned is forewarned. Or something like that. === SNIP == As for word processors, they have great appeal to secretaries and businessmen, but little appeal for a writer that actually wants to get something done. They have butt ugly interfaces (ribbons!!) and stupid names like Word, WordStar, Photoshop (!!). Why a writer would want WYSIWYG is incomprehensible. A writer wants tools that facilitate writing, the won't lose work every time you turn around, that will open files more than a couple of years old. You have been warned. === Or something like that :-). On the other hand, there is a good argument that trolls like this, even best-selling trolls, should simply be ignored. Cheers, Alan Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Anyone know of a best-seller written in LyX
On 10/06/13 00:36, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, On one of my writers' mailing list, after I said I used LyX, a guy who really does have what once was a best-seller wrote this: === As for Lyx, you need to know that, with very few exceptions none of which immediately come to mind open source programs have great appeal for people who want to tinker with computers but almost none for those who actually want to do something. Such apps tend to have butt ugly interfaces and stupid names like Lyx and Snort and Gimp and Phlegm. Last I saw, Lyx wasn't even WYSIWYG, for crying out loud. Forewarned is forewarned. Or something like that. === SNIP == As for word processors, they have great appeal to secretaries and businessmen, but little appeal for a writer that actually wants to get something done. They have butt ugly interfaces (ribbons!!) and stupid names like Word, WordStar, Photoshop (!!). Why a writer would want WYSIWYG is incomprehensible. A writer wants tools that facilitate writing, the won't lose work every time you turn around, that will open files more than a couple of years old. You have been warned. === Or something like that :-). On the other hand, there is a good argument that trolls like this, even best-selling trolls, should simply be ignored. Cheers, Alan Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Anyone know of a best-seller written in LyX
On 10/06/13 00:36, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, On one of my writers' mailing list, after I said I used LyX, a guy who really does have what once was a best-seller wrote this: === "As for Lyx, you need to know that, with very few exceptions none of which immediately come to mind open source programs have great appeal for people who want to tinker with computers but almost none for those who actually want to do something. Such apps tend to have butt ugly interfaces and stupid names like Lyx and Snort and Gimp and Phlegm. Last I saw, Lyx wasn't even WYSIWYG, for crying out loud. Forewarned is forewarned. Or something like that." === == As for word processors, they have great appeal to secretaries and businessmen, but little appeal for a writer that actually wants to get something done. They have butt ugly interfaces (ribbons!!) and stupid names like Word, WordStar, Photoshop (!!). Why a writer would want WYSIWYG is incomprehensible. A writer wants tools that facilitate writing, the won't lose work every time you turn around, that will open files more than a couple of years old. You have been warned. === Or something like that :-). On the other hand, there is a good argument that trolls like this, even best-selling trolls, should simply be ignored. Cheers, Alan Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?
On 26/11/12 23:14, Julio Rojas wrote: Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to find and implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a hidden switch to turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a user that has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...) The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature. Here, here Günther. I believe this is the right solution. A simple switch, that I think, would appeal to everybody. On the other hand, and to keep the soft flaming going on (we still have time to burn!), I refer all of you to this post: http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324 Regards. - Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com mailto:jcredbe...@gmail.com You can see examples of this (extra spaces) in old law reports. I don't know exactly when these were printed, but it was a long time ago. Here is an example: http://www.commonlii.org/uk/cases/EngR/1765/40.html (To help burn up some of that excess time!) Cheers, Alan On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net mailto:mi...@users.sf.net wrote: On 2012-11-24, Liviu Andronic wrote: On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Trevor Jenkins bslwann...@gmail.com mailto:bslwann...@gmail.com wrote: If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to look at it. With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely. To me (old time LaTeX/LyX user that has, of course, read the manual) the message is still visual noise. It interferes with relevant information in the status line. Then use fullscreen mode. Then I won't see the important messages (key-codes, lyxfuns, ...) in the status line. On the other hand, I don't think is is to no good purpose ... The purpose (preventing spurious bug reports that take up our time) is good. Maybe the means is not optimal (as it also leads to never-ending discussions). ... But if this issue is such a deal breaker, then feel free to switch to Scientific WorkPlace. It may cost you 1000$ or so, but you'll likely be able type two spaces as you wish to. (Disclaimer: Before buying that, check with the vendor that it indeed allows that.) Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to find and implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a hidden switch to turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a user that has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...) The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature. Günter -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?
On 26/11/12 23:14, Julio Rojas wrote: Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to find and implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a hidden switch to turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a user that has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...) The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature. Here, here Günther. I believe this is the right solution. A simple switch, that I think, would appeal to everybody. On the other hand, and to keep the soft flaming going on (we still have time to burn!), I refer all of you to this post: http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324 Regards. - Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com mailto:jcredbe...@gmail.com You can see examples of this (extra spaces) in old law reports. I don't know exactly when these were printed, but it was a long time ago. Here is an example: http://www.commonlii.org/uk/cases/EngR/1765/40.html (To help burn up some of that excess time!) Cheers, Alan On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net mailto:mi...@users.sf.net wrote: On 2012-11-24, Liviu Andronic wrote: On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Trevor Jenkins bslwann...@gmail.com mailto:bslwann...@gmail.com wrote: If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to look at it. With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely. To me (old time LaTeX/LyX user that has, of course, read the manual) the message is still visual noise. It interferes with relevant information in the status line. Then use fullscreen mode. Then I won't see the important messages (key-codes, lyxfuns, ...) in the status line. On the other hand, I don't think is is to no good purpose ... The purpose (preventing spurious bug reports that take up our time) is good. Maybe the means is not optimal (as it also leads to never-ending discussions). ... But if this issue is such a deal breaker, then feel free to switch to Scientific WorkPlace. It may cost you 1000$ or so, but you'll likely be able type two spaces as you wish to. (Disclaimer: Before buying that, check with the vendor that it indeed allows that.) Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to find and implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a hidden switch to turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a user that has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...) The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature. Günter -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?
On 26/11/12 23:14, Julio Rojas wrote: Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to find and implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a "hidden" switch to turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a user that has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...) The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature. Here, here Günther. I believe this is the "right" solution. A simple "switch", that I think, would appeal to everybody. On the other hand, and to keep the "soft flaming" going on (we still have time to burn!), I refer all of you to this post: http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324 Regards. - Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com <mailto:jcredbe...@gmail.com> You can see examples of this (extra spaces) in old law reports. I don't know exactly when these were printed, but it was a long time ago. Here is an example: http://www.commonlii.org/uk/cases/EngR/1765/40.html (To help burn up some of that excess time!) Cheers, Alan On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Guenter Milde <mi...@users.sf.net <mailto:mi...@users.sf.net>> wrote: On 2012-11-24, Liviu Andronic wrote: > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Trevor Jenkins <bslwann...@gmail.com <mailto:bslwann...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to look at it. >>> With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely. To me (old time LaTeX/LyX user that has, of course, read the manual) the message is still "visual noise". It interferes with relevant information in the status line. > Then use fullscreen mode. Then I won't see the important messages (key-codes, lyxfuns, ...) in the status line. On the other hand, I don't think is is >> to no good purpose ... The purpose (preventing spurious bug reports that take up our time) is good. Maybe the means is not optimal (as it also leads to never-ending discussions). ... > But if this issue is such a deal breaker, then feel free to switch to > Scientific WorkPlace. It may cost you 1000$ or so, but you'll likely > be able type two spaces as you wish to. (Disclaimer: Before buying > that, check with the vendor that it indeed allows that.) Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to find and implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a "hidden" switch to turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a user that has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...) The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature. Günter -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?
On 25/11/12 13:27, Charlie wrote: On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:15:32 -0500 David L. Johnson d...@lehigh.edu suggested this: That is the way I treat is now, by simply ignoring the message. Great, that's settled then. There is no effort required to ignore the message. However, as explained previously, if there is no message, then there is effort on someones behalf required, when the questions roll in asking why someone can't type two spaces behind a full stop. So we have the answer, leave the message as is and ignore it. No effort expended and you just get on with what you're doing. Nothing more need be written about the subject. Whatcha reckon. Be well, Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** There are thousands hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root. .Henry David Thoreau *** Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic - Charlie, Charlie, Your sensible suggestion ignores the Parkinson rule about committees. You will recall that he observed that committees will pass multi-million dollar proposals for, say, a new nuclear plant in seconds. However, a resolution concerning tea room costs will be argued for hours if not for days. Here is an issue that everyone can understand. It will NEVER go away! Cheers, Alan (Who learned to put two spaces after a full stop in typing class, but likes the warning in LyX). -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?
On 25/11/12 13:27, Charlie wrote: On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:15:32 -0500 David L. Johnson d...@lehigh.edu suggested this: That is the way I treat is now, by simply ignoring the message. Great, that's settled then. There is no effort required to ignore the message. However, as explained previously, if there is no message, then there is effort on someones behalf required, when the questions roll in asking why someone can't type two spaces behind a full stop. So we have the answer, leave the message as is and ignore it. No effort expended and you just get on with what you're doing. Nothing more need be written about the subject. Whatcha reckon. Be well, Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** There are thousands hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root. .Henry David Thoreau *** Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic - Charlie, Charlie, Your sensible suggestion ignores the Parkinson rule about committees. You will recall that he observed that committees will pass multi-million dollar proposals for, say, a new nuclear plant in seconds. However, a resolution concerning tea room costs will be argued for hours if not for days. Here is an issue that everyone can understand. It will NEVER go away! Cheers, Alan (Who learned to put two spaces after a full stop in typing class, but likes the warning in LyX). -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?
On 25/11/12 13:27, Charlie wrote: On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:15:32 -0500 "David L. Johnson d...@lehigh.edu" suggested this: That is the way I treat is now, by simply ignoring the message. Great, that's settled then. There is no effort required to ignore the message. However, as explained previously, if there is no message, then there is effort on someones behalf required, when the questions roll in asking why someone can't type two spaces behind a full stop. So we have the answer, leave the message as is and ignore it. No effort expended and you just get on with what you're doing. Nothing more need be written about the subject. Whatcha reckon. Be well, Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** There are thousands hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root. .Henry David Thoreau *** Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic - Charlie, Charlie, Your sensible suggestion ignores the Parkinson rule about committees. You will recall that he observed that committees will pass multi-million dollar proposals for, say, a new nuclear plant in seconds. However, a resolution concerning tea room costs will be argued for hours if not for days. Here is an issue that everyone can understand. It will NEVER go away! Cheers, Alan (Who learned to put two spaces after a full stop in typing class, but likes the warning in LyX). -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: LyX andTeX Live: How to find and link a new latex version?
John Kane jrkrid...@yahoo.ca writes: Please but in. I am a newbie with Ubuntu and tend to blunder around. Basically I have a dual boot Ubutu /Window 7. Some time ago I upgraded from 11.? to 12.04 with apparently no problem. I have no real idea of what is correct or not-- I lack the partly intuitive feel that I had for Windws after years of battling so I easily miss what is or is not what one would expect and I am still a bit uncomfortable with the terminal interface since the commands are not obvious to me. I have not used a command line os since DOS about 2 decaded ago. Hi John, I have helped a number of newbies with Ubuntu, and I have found that it is nearly always a mistake for them to try to install something 'by hand'. Always use the Ubuntu Software Center or Synaptic and you will never come to grief. It is a common problem because of the way that Windows users are accustomed to installing software. There are safe ways to do 'by hand' installation of software, but you seldom need to do that with Ubuntu. Cheers, Alan From: David L. Johnson david.john...@lehigh.edu To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2012 1:05:48 PM Subject: Re: LyX andTeX Live: How to find and link a new latex version? On 09/01/2012 11:22 AM, John Kane wrote: Sorry to butt in here, but these outputs seem very strange. This looks to me like there is something very amiss with your system. Now, I use debian, not ubuntu, but ubuntu is debian-based, so it should not be all that different. -- john@john-K53U:~$ find / -path '/proc' -prune -perm /u=x,g=x,a=x ! -type d -name latex find: `/tmp/.esd-104': Permission denied find: `/tmp/pulse-2L9K88eMlGn7': Permission denied find: `/tmp/pulse-PKdhtXMmr18n': Permission denied find: `/etc/ppp/peers': Permission denied find: `/etc/chatscripts': Permission denied find: `/etc/cups/ssl': Permission denied ... --- Which seems to tell me nothing. But what do I know? That seems to say that you don't have access to much of anything in the system. How can that be? Maybe a regular user shouldn't be able to write to some of those directories, but read?? I thought that this was a bit funny but I thought that maybe I need to use sudo to actually write there. As I say, I know virtuallly nothing about how linux works. So I may have a serious problem. On the other hand I don't seem to have any obvious problems installing applications. For example I installed gnumeric from either synaptics or the software centre a few day ago and just as a quick test sudoapt-get install abiword seems to have worked fine just now. Thanks -- David L. Johnson Deserves death! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. -- J. R. R. Tolkein -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: LyX andTeX Live: How to find and link a new latex version?
John Kane jrkrid...@yahoo.ca writes: From: Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com To: John Kane jrkrid...@yahoo.ca Cc: David L. Johnson david.john...@lehigh.edu; lyx-users@lists.lyx.org lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2012 4:26:16 PM Subject: Re: LyX andTeX Live: How to find and link a new latex version? John Kane jrkrid...@yahoo.ca writes: SNIP Unfortunately that is what I did. I installed Tex Live 2012 using the software centre since synaptics did not seem to have the 2012 version and any manual instructions on how to update were close to jibberish to me. Now I cannot find it, yet both the software centre and synaptics report that it is installed. I know I have Tex Live 2011 installed in /user etc where one would expect it. John@john-K53U:~$ which latex /usr/local/texlive/2011/bin/i386-linux/latex Actually just to check things out I installed abiwork using apt-install a few hours ago with no problem! I expect that I am missing something really basic but where I have no idea. What I do find interesting is that synaptics does not seem to see TeX Live 2011 yet it is clearly there and LyX is using it. Sorry for the noise, John. I should have read the whole thread more carefully. I have a machine where I did a new install of Ubuntu 12.04 just a week ago, so it is pretty clean. I get: alant@windy:~$ which latex /usr/bin/latex Further investication shows that this is a symlink to /usr/bin/pdftex.I'm not sure why you get the full path. Looking at the Ubuntu Software Centre shows me only texlive 2009 (rather old), but no other texlive options. I'm not sure where you got the 2011 or 2012 packages. Have you added a different repository? Cheers, Alan From: David L. Johnson david.john...@lehigh.edu To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2012 1:05:48 PM Subject: Re: LyX andTeX Live: How to find and link a new latex version? On 09/01/2012 11:22 AM, John Kane wrote: Sorry to butt in here, but these outputs seem very strange. This looks to me like there is something very amiss with your system. Now, I use debian, not ubuntu, but ubuntu is debian-based, so it should not be all that different. -- john@john-K53U:~$ find / -path '/proc' -prune -perm /u=x,g=x,a=x ! -type d -name latex find: `/tmp/.esd-104': Permission denied find: `/tmp/pulse-2L9K88eMlGn7': Permission denied find: `/tmp/pulse-PKdhtXMmr18n': Permission denied find: `/etc/ppp/peers': Permission denied find: `/etc/chatscripts': Permission denied find: `/etc/cups/ssl': Permission denied ... --- Which seems to tell me nothing. But what do I know? That seems to say that you don't have access to much of anything in the system. How can that be? Maybe a regular user shouldn't be able to write to some of those directories, but read?? I thought that this was a bit funny but I thought that maybe I need to use sudo to actually write there. As I say, I know virtuallly nothing about how linux works. So I may have a serious problem. On the other hand I don't seem to have any obvious problems installing applications. For example I installed gnumeric from either synaptics or the software centre a few day ago and just as a quick test sudoapt-get install abiword seems to have worked fine just now. Thanks -- David L. Johnson Deserves death! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. -- J. R. R. Tolkein -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: LyX andTeX Live: How to find and link a new latex version?
David L. Johnson david.john...@lehigh.edu writes: On 09/01/2012 08:33 PM, Alan L Tyree wrote: Sorry for the noise, John. I should have read the whole thread more carefully. I have a machine where I did a new install of Ubuntu 12.04 just a week ago, so it is pretty clean. I get: alant@windy:~$ which latex /usr/bin/latex Further investication shows that this is a symlink to /usr/bin/pdftex.I'm not sure why you get the full path. His full path began with /usr/local -- not somewhere the distro should use. That is for things the user installs, only, in my book. I agree with that, but even then you would expect to see the executable in /usr/local/bin. Looking at the Ubuntu Software Centre shows me only texlive 2009 (rather old), but no other texlive options. I'm not sure where you got the 2011 or 2012 packages. Have you added a different repository? Debian testing is currently using 2012, but it took a long time for them to update from 2009 to 2011 -- and then quickly went to 2012. I suspect that the version of Ubuntu you are looking at is a stable version, which is always pretty old. Yes, I have that also in Debian testing. The version of Ubuntu is 12.04 so I suppose that does account for the lag. But that is also the version that the OP is using, so where did he get the Texlive 2012. He says it shows up in the package managers, so I am guessing that he added a PPA. -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: LyX andTeX Live: How to find and link a new latex version?
John Kane jrkrid...@yahoo.ca writes: Please but in. I am a newbie with Ubuntu and tend to blunder around. Basically I have a dual boot Ubutu /Window 7. Some time ago I upgraded from 11.? to 12.04 with apparently no problem. I have no real idea of what is correct or not-- I lack the partly intuitive feel that I had for Windws after years of battling so I easily miss what is or is not what one would expect and I am still a bit uncomfortable with the terminal interface since the commands are not obvious to me. I have not used a command line os since DOS about 2 decaded ago. Hi John, I have helped a number of newbies with Ubuntu, and I have found that it is nearly always a mistake for them to try to install something 'by hand'. Always use the Ubuntu Software Center or Synaptic and you will never come to grief. It is a common problem because of the way that Windows users are accustomed to installing software. There are safe ways to do 'by hand' installation of software, but you seldom need to do that with Ubuntu. Cheers, Alan From: David L. Johnson david.john...@lehigh.edu To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2012 1:05:48 PM Subject: Re: LyX andTeX Live: How to find and link a new latex version? On 09/01/2012 11:22 AM, John Kane wrote: Sorry to butt in here, but these outputs seem very strange. This looks to me like there is something very amiss with your system. Now, I use debian, not ubuntu, but ubuntu is debian-based, so it should not be all that different. -- john@john-K53U:~$ find / -path '/proc' -prune -perm /u=x,g=x,a=x ! -type d -name latex find: `/tmp/.esd-104': Permission denied find: `/tmp/pulse-2L9K88eMlGn7': Permission denied find: `/tmp/pulse-PKdhtXMmr18n': Permission denied find: `/etc/ppp/peers': Permission denied find: `/etc/chatscripts': Permission denied find: `/etc/cups/ssl': Permission denied ... --- Which seems to tell me nothing. But what do I know? That seems to say that you don't have access to much of anything in the system. How can that be? Maybe a regular user shouldn't be able to write to some of those directories, but read?? I thought that this was a bit funny but I thought that maybe I need to use sudo to actually write there. As I say, I know virtuallly nothing about how linux works. So I may have a serious problem. On the other hand I don't seem to have any obvious problems installing applications. For example I installed gnumeric from either synaptics or the software centre a few day ago and just as a quick test sudoapt-get install abiword seems to have worked fine just now. Thanks -- David L. Johnson Deserves death! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. -- J. R. R. Tolkein -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: LyX andTeX Live: How to find and link a new latex version?
John Kane jrkrid...@yahoo.ca writes: From: Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com To: John Kane jrkrid...@yahoo.ca Cc: David L. Johnson david.john...@lehigh.edu; lyx-users@lists.lyx.org lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2012 4:26:16 PM Subject: Re: LyX andTeX Live: How to find and link a new latex version? John Kane jrkrid...@yahoo.ca writes: SNIP Unfortunately that is what I did. I installed Tex Live 2012 using the software centre since synaptics did not seem to have the 2012 version and any manual instructions on how to update were close to jibberish to me. Now I cannot find it, yet both the software centre and synaptics report that it is installed. I know I have Tex Live 2011 installed in /user etc where one would expect it. John@john-K53U:~$ which latex /usr/local/texlive/2011/bin/i386-linux/latex Actually just to check things out I installed abiwork using apt-install a few hours ago with no problem! I expect that I am missing something really basic but where I have no idea. What I do find interesting is that synaptics does not seem to see TeX Live 2011 yet it is clearly there and LyX is using it. Sorry for the noise, John. I should have read the whole thread more carefully. I have a machine where I did a new install of Ubuntu 12.04 just a week ago, so it is pretty clean. I get: alant@windy:~$ which latex /usr/bin/latex Further investication shows that this is a symlink to /usr/bin/pdftex.I'm not sure why you get the full path. Looking at the Ubuntu Software Centre shows me only texlive 2009 (rather old), but no other texlive options. I'm not sure where you got the 2011 or 2012 packages. Have you added a different repository? Cheers, Alan From: David L. Johnson david.john...@lehigh.edu To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2012 1:05:48 PM Subject: Re: LyX andTeX Live: How to find and link a new latex version? On 09/01/2012 11:22 AM, John Kane wrote: Sorry to butt in here, but these outputs seem very strange. This looks to me like there is something very amiss with your system. Now, I use debian, not ubuntu, but ubuntu is debian-based, so it should not be all that different. -- john@john-K53U:~$ find / -path '/proc' -prune -perm /u=x,g=x,a=x ! -type d -name latex find: `/tmp/.esd-104': Permission denied find: `/tmp/pulse-2L9K88eMlGn7': Permission denied find: `/tmp/pulse-PKdhtXMmr18n': Permission denied find: `/etc/ppp/peers': Permission denied find: `/etc/chatscripts': Permission denied find: `/etc/cups/ssl': Permission denied ... --- Which seems to tell me nothing. But what do I know? That seems to say that you don't have access to much of anything in the system. How can that be? Maybe a regular user shouldn't be able to write to some of those directories, but read?? I thought that this was a bit funny but I thought that maybe I need to use sudo to actually write there. As I say, I know virtuallly nothing about how linux works. So I may have a serious problem. On the other hand I don't seem to have any obvious problems installing applications. For example I installed gnumeric from either synaptics or the software centre a few day ago and just as a quick test sudoapt-get install abiword seems to have worked fine just now. Thanks -- David L. Johnson Deserves death! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. -- J. R. R. Tolkein -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: LyX andTeX Live: How to find and link a new latex version?
David L. Johnson david.john...@lehigh.edu writes: On 09/01/2012 08:33 PM, Alan L Tyree wrote: Sorry for the noise, John. I should have read the whole thread more carefully. I have a machine where I did a new install of Ubuntu 12.04 just a week ago, so it is pretty clean. I get: alant@windy:~$ which latex /usr/bin/latex Further investication shows that this is a symlink to /usr/bin/pdftex.I'm not sure why you get the full path. His full path began with /usr/local -- not somewhere the distro should use. That is for things the user installs, only, in my book. I agree with that, but even then you would expect to see the executable in /usr/local/bin. Looking at the Ubuntu Software Centre shows me only texlive 2009 (rather old), but no other texlive options. I'm not sure where you got the 2011 or 2012 packages. Have you added a different repository? Debian testing is currently using 2012, but it took a long time for them to update from 2009 to 2011 -- and then quickly went to 2012. I suspect that the version of Ubuntu you are looking at is a stable version, which is always pretty old. Yes, I have that also in Debian testing. The version of Ubuntu is 12.04 so I suppose that does account for the lag. But that is also the version that the OP is using, so where did he get the Texlive 2012. He says it shows up in the package managers, so I am guessing that he added a PPA. -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: LyX andTeX Live: How to find and link a new latex version?
John Kane <jrkrid...@yahoo.ca> writes: > Please but in. I am a newbie with Ubuntu and tend to blunder around. > Basically I have a dual boot Ubutu /Window 7. Some time ago I upgraded from > 11.? to 12.04 with apparently no problem. > > I have no real idea of what is correct or not-- I lack the partly intuitive > feel that I had for Windws after years of battling so I easily miss what is > or is not what one would expect and I am still a bit uncomfortable with the > terminal interface since the commands are not obvious to me. I have not used > a command line os since DOS about 2 decaded ago. > Hi John, I have helped a number of newbies with Ubuntu, and I have found that it is nearly always a mistake for them to try to install something 'by hand'. Always use the Ubuntu Software Center or Synaptic and you will never come to grief. It is a common problem because of the way that Windows users are accustomed to installing software. There are safe ways to do 'by hand' installation of software, but you seldom need to do that with Ubuntu. Cheers, Alan > > > > > > From: David L. Johnson <david.john...@lehigh.edu> > To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2012 1:05:48 PM > Subject: Re: LyX andTeX Live: How to find and link a new latex version? > > > On 09/01/2012 11:22 AM, John Kane wrote: > > Sorry to butt in here, but these outputs seem very strange. This > looks to me like there is something very amiss with your system. > Now, I use debian, not ubuntu, but ubuntu is debian-based, so it > should not be all that different. > -- >>john@john-K53U:~$ find / -path '/proc' -prune -perm /u=x,g=x,a=x ! -type d >>-name latex >>find: `/tmp/.esd-104': Permission denied >>find: `/tmp/pulse-2L9K88eMlGn7': Permission denied >>find: `/tmp/pulse-PKdhtXMmr18n': Permission denied >>find: `/etc/ppp/peers': Permission denied >>find: `/etc/chatscripts': Permission denied >>find: `/etc/cups/ssl': Permission denied > ... >> >>--- >>Which seems to tell me nothing. But what do I know? >> > That seems to say that you don't have access to much of anything in > the system. How can that be? Maybe a regular user shouldn't be > able to write to some of those directories, but read?? > > I thought that this was a bit funny but I thought that maybe I need to use > sudo to actually write there. As I say, I know virtuallly nothing about how > linux works. > > So I may have a serious problem. On the other hand I don't seem to have any > obvious problems installing applications. For example I installed gnumeric > from either synaptics or the software centre a few day ago and just as a > quick test sudoapt-get install abiword seems to have worked fine just now. > > Thanks > > > -- David L. Johnson Deserves death! I daresay he does. Many that live > deserve death. > And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not > be too eager to deal out death in judgement. -- J. R. R. Tolkein -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: LyX andTeX Live: How to find and link a new latex version?
John Kane <jrkrid...@yahoo.ca> writes: > > From: Alan L Tyree <alanty...@gmail.com> > To: John Kane <jrkrid...@yahoo.ca> > Cc: David L. Johnson <david.john...@lehigh.edu>; "lyx-users@lists.lyx.org" > <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org> > Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2012 4:26:16 PM > Subject: Re: LyX andTeX Live: How to find and link a new latex version? > > > John Kane <jrkrid...@yahoo.ca> writes: > > Unfortunately that is what I did. I installed Tex Live 2012 using the > software centre since synaptics did not seem to have the 2012 version and any > manual instructions on how to update were close to jibberish to me. > > Now I cannot find it, yet both the software centre and synaptics report that > it is installed. I know I have Tex Live 2011 installed in /user etc where one > would expect it. > John@john-K53U:~$ which latex > /usr/local/texlive/2011/bin/i386-linux/latex > > Actually just to check things out I installed abiwork using apt-install a few > hours ago with no problem! > > I expect that I am missing something really basic but where I have no idea. > > What I do find interesting is that synaptics does not seem to see TeX Live > 2011 yet it is clearly there and LyX is using it. Sorry for the noise, John. I should have read the whole thread more carefully. I have a machine where I did a new install of Ubuntu 12.04 just a week ago, so it is pretty clean. I get: alant@windy:~$ which latex /usr/bin/latex Further investication shows that this is a symlink to /usr/bin/pdftex.I'm not sure why you get the full path. Looking at the Ubuntu Software Centre shows me only texlive 2009 (rather old), but no other texlive options. I'm not sure where you got the 2011 or 2012 packages. Have you added a different repository? Cheers, Alan > >> >> >> >> >> >> From: David L. Johnson <david.john...@lehigh.edu> >> To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org >> Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2012 1:05:48 PM >> Subject: Re: LyX andTeX Live: How to find and link a new latex version? >> >> >> On 09/01/2012 11:22 AM, John Kane wrote: >> >> Sorry to butt in here, but these outputs seem very strange. This >> looks to me like there is something very amiss with your system. >> Now, I use debian, not ubuntu, but ubuntu is debian-based, so it >> should not be all that different. >> -- >>>john@john-K53U:~$ find / -path '/proc' -prune -perm /u=x,g=x,a=x ! -type d >>>-name latex >>>find: `/tmp/.esd-104': Permission denied >>>find: `/tmp/pulse-2L9K88eMlGn7': Permission denied >>>find: `/tmp/pulse-PKdhtXMmr18n': Permission denied >>>find: `/etc/ppp/peers': Permission denied >>>find: `/etc/chatscripts': Permission denied >>>find: `/etc/cups/ssl': Permission denied >> ... >>> >>>--- >>>Which seems to tell me nothing. But what do I know? >>> >> That seems to say that you don't have access to much of anything in >> the system. How can that be? Maybe a regular user shouldn't be >> able to write to some of those directories, but read?? >> >> I thought that this was a bit funny but I thought that maybe I need to use >> sudo to actually write there. As I say, I know virtuallly nothing about how >> linux works. >> >> So I may have a serious problem. On the other hand I don't seem to have any >> obvious problems installing applications. For example I installed gnumeric >> from either synaptics or the software centre a few day ago and just as a >> quick test sudoapt-get install abiword seems to have worked fine just now. >> >> Thanks >> >> >> -- David L. Johnson Deserves death! I daresay he does. Many that live >> deserve death. >> And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not >> be too eager to deal out death in judgement. -- J. R. R. Tolkein -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: LyX andTeX Live: How to find and link a new latex version?
David L. Johnson <david.john...@lehigh.edu> writes: > On 09/01/2012 08:33 PM, Alan L Tyree wrote: >> Sorry for the noise, John. I should have read the whole thread more >> carefully. >> >> I have a machine where I did a new install of Ubuntu 12.04 just a week >> ago, so it is pretty clean. I get: >> >> alant@windy:~$ which latex >> /usr/bin/latex >> >> Further investication shows that this is a symlink to >> /usr/bin/pdftex.I'm not sure why you get the full path. > > His full path began with /usr/local -- not somewhere the distro should > use. That is for things the user installs, only, in my book. I agree with that, but even then you would expect to see the executable in /usr/local/bin. >> >> Looking at the Ubuntu Software Centre shows me only texlive 2009 (rather >> old), but no other texlive options. I'm not sure where you got the 2011 >> or 2012 packages. Have you added a different repository? > > Debian testing is currently using 2012, but it took a long time for them > to update from 2009 to 2011 -- and then quickly went to 2012. I suspect > that the version of Ubuntu you are looking at is a stable version, which > is always pretty old. Yes, I have that also in Debian testing. The version of Ubuntu is 12.04 so I suppose that does account for the lag. But that is also the version that the OP is using, so where did he get the Texlive 2012. He says it shows up in the package managers, so I am guessing that he added a PPA. -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Uninstalling compiled-from-source Lyx
On 25/08/12 02:09:50, UD wrote: I don't think so-- where are they? However, I SHOULD be able to uninstall a program that bypassed the package manager, but I guess that if there is no uninstall script, I shall have to remove the relevant files by hand, something I would like to avoid. I know this advice is no good to you now, but maybe for the future. Using GNU Stow to install compiled packages makes it easy to back out: see the short How To at http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/Compiling. Cheers, Alan EK On 08/24/2012 12:04 PM, Stephan Witt wrote: Am 24.08.2012 um 17:04 schrieb UD: Since I can't get the spellchecker to work with my compiled-from-source Did you install the development versions of the spellchecker libraries? Stephan -- Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D. Jules and Doris Stein /Research to Prevent Blindness/ Professor *Director*, The laboratory of Visual Computational Neuroscience *Director*, Center for Excellence in Computational Systems Neuroscience /Friedman Brain Institute/ Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural Chemical Biology, The Mount Sinai School of Medicine One Gustave Levy Place, NY, NY, 10029 -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Uninstalling compiled-from-source Lyx
On 25/08/12 02:09:50, UD wrote: I don't think so-- where are they? However, I SHOULD be able to uninstall a program that bypassed the package manager, but I guess that if there is no uninstall script, I shall have to remove the relevant files by hand, something I would like to avoid. I know this advice is no good to you now, but maybe for the future. Using GNU Stow to install compiled packages makes it easy to back out: see the short How To at http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/Compiling. Cheers, Alan EK On 08/24/2012 12:04 PM, Stephan Witt wrote: Am 24.08.2012 um 17:04 schrieb UD: Since I can't get the spellchecker to work with my compiled-from-source Did you install the development versions of the spellchecker libraries? Stephan -- Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D. Jules and Doris Stein /Research to Prevent Blindness/ Professor *Director*, The laboratory of Visual Computational Neuroscience *Director*, Center for Excellence in Computational Systems Neuroscience /Friedman Brain Institute/ Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural Chemical Biology, The Mount Sinai School of Medicine One Gustave Levy Place, NY, NY, 10029 -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Uninstalling compiled-from-source Lyx
On 25/08/12 02:09:50, UD wrote: > I don't think so-- where are they? However, I SHOULD be able to > uninstall a program that bypassed the package manager, but I guess > that > if there is no uninstall script, I shall have to remove the relevant > files by hand, something I would like to avoid. I know this advice is no good to you now, but maybe for the future. Using GNU Stow to install compiled packages makes it easy to back out: see the short How To at http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/Compiling. Cheers, Alan > > EK > > > On 08/24/2012 12:04 PM, Stephan Witt wrote: > > Am 24.08.2012 um 17:04 schrieb UD: > > > >> Since I can't get the spellchecker to work with my > compiled-from-source > > Did you install the development versions of the spellchecker > libraries? > > > > Stephan > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D. > Jules and Doris Stein /Research to Prevent Blindness/ Professor > *Director*, The laboratory of Visual & Computational Neuroscience > *Director*, Center for Excellence in Computational & Systems > Neuroscience > /Friedman Brain Institute/ > Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural & Chemical > Biology, > The Mount Sinai School of Medicine > One Gustave Levy Place, > NY, NY, 10029 > -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Working in LyX from the get-go---more or less
Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net writes: On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Richard Heck wrote: If you want to export to RTF, then you need to install latex2rtf or some similar program. But I've had better luck lately exporting to the LyXHTML format, and then loading that in LibreOffice. I tried opening the XHTML in OpenOffice. It reads it as a raw text document, i.e., with the HTML code displayed instead of formatted. Would LibreOffice handle it differently? Eric, I haven't used OO for some time, but as I recall the first line of an XHTML file confuses it. Open the XHTML file with Vim or a read editor like Emacs (sorry, couln't resist) and delete the first line. I think you will have better luck with the Lyx - XHTML OO Word route than with other converters. Cheers, Alan -- Eric Weir Program and Resource Development ~ Evaluation ~ Writing Education ~ The Environment ~ Community Development Clairemont Avenue J3 ~ Decatur, GA 30030 404-636-6142 ~ eew...@bellsouth.net -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Working in LyX from the get-go---more or less
Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net writes: On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Richard Heck wrote: If you want to export to RTF, then you need to install latex2rtf or some similar program. But I've had better luck lately exporting to the LyXHTML format, and then loading that in LibreOffice. I tried opening the XHTML in OpenOffice. It reads it as a raw text document, i.e., with the HTML code displayed instead of formatted. Would LibreOffice handle it differently? Eric, I haven't used OO for some time, but as I recall the first line of an XHTML file confuses it. Open the XHTML file with Vim or a read editor like Emacs (sorry, couln't resist) and delete the first line. I think you will have better luck with the Lyx - XHTML OO Word route than with other converters. Cheers, Alan -- Eric Weir Program and Resource Development ~ Evaluation ~ Writing Education ~ The Environment ~ Community Development Clairemont Avenue J3 ~ Decatur, GA 30030 404-636-6142 ~ eew...@bellsouth.net -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Working in LyX from the get-go---more or less
Eric Weir <eew...@bellsouth.net> writes: > On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Richard Heck wrote: > >> If you want to export to RTF, then you need to install latex2rtf or some >> similar program. But I've had better luck lately exporting to the LyXHTML >> format, and then loading that in LibreOffice. > > I tried opening the XHTML in OpenOffice. It reads it as a raw text document, > i.e., with the HTML code displayed instead of formatted. Would LibreOffice > handle it differently? Eric, I haven't used OO for some time, but as I recall the first line of an XHTML file confuses it. Open the XHTML file with Vim or a read editor like Emacs (sorry, couln't resist) and delete the first line. I think you will have better luck with the Lyx -> XHTML > OO > Word route than with other converters. Cheers, Alan > > -- > Eric Weir > Program and Resource Development ~ Evaluation ~ Writing > Education ~ The Environment ~ Community Development > Clairemont Avenue J3 ~ Decatur, GA 30030 > 404-636-6142 ~ eew...@bellsouth.net -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Pass LyX comments through eLyXer?
On 07/12/11 09:41:13, Richard Heck wrote: On 12/06/2011 04:38 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Tuesday, December 06, 2011 03:06:37 PM you wrote: Can I ask again that off-topic threads be moved to an appropriate mailing list? Unless it's the LyX project's position that LyX's only function is to build PDF and Docbook, then this is very ontopic. Do you think the LyX list is also good for discussion of the details of the ps2pdf converter? Or for reporting bugs with it? No, but I don't think it is the same. If LyX is to develop into a serious e-book editor, then this is a very LyX related discussion. Even users such as myself who are in no position to contribute directly to the development have an interest in how this develops. Mere users can eventually have an input into this development. It is not just a discussion about converters or bugs. It relates to how LyX will look and behave in the future. I agree with Steve and others that LyX could become major tool for writing e-books. As such, the discussion doesn't seem to me to be off topic. Cheers, Alan Richard -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Pass LyX comments through eLyXer?
On 07/12/11 09:41:13, Richard Heck wrote: On 12/06/2011 04:38 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Tuesday, December 06, 2011 03:06:37 PM you wrote: Can I ask again that off-topic threads be moved to an appropriate mailing list? Unless it's the LyX project's position that LyX's only function is to build PDF and Docbook, then this is very ontopic. Do you think the LyX list is also good for discussion of the details of the ps2pdf converter? Or for reporting bugs with it? No, but I don't think it is the same. If LyX is to develop into a serious e-book editor, then this is a very LyX related discussion. Even users such as myself who are in no position to contribute directly to the development have an interest in how this develops. Mere users can eventually have an input into this development. It is not just a discussion about converters or bugs. It relates to how LyX will look and behave in the future. I agree with Steve and others that LyX could become major tool for writing e-books. As such, the discussion doesn't seem to me to be off topic. Cheers, Alan Richard -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: Pass LyX comments through eLyXer?
On 07/12/11 09:41:13, Richard Heck wrote: > On 12/06/2011 04:38 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Tuesday, December 06, 2011 03:06:37 PM you wrote: > >> Can I ask again that off-topic threads be moved to an appropriate > >> mailing list? > > Unless it's the LyX project's position that LyX's only function is > to > > build PDF and Docbook, then this is very ontopic. > > > Do you think the LyX list is also good for discussion of the details > of > the ps2pdf converter? Or for reporting bugs with it? No, but I don't think it is the same. If LyX is to develop into a serious e-book editor, then this is a very LyX related discussion. Even users such as myself who are in no position to contribute directly to the development have an interest in how this develops. "Mere" users can eventually have an input into this development. It is not just a discussion about converters or bugs. It relates to how LyX will look and behave in the future. I agree with Steve and others that LyX could become major tool for writing e-books. As such, the discussion doesn't seem to me to be off topic. Cheers, Alan > > Richard > > -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: LyX as editor -- Was: available templates and their names
On 18/11/11 04:41:57, Steve Litt wrote: On Thursday, November 17, 2011 08:22:49 AM Richard Heck wrote: As Helge sometimes points out, this is important. You can install LyX without LaTeX if you like (say, on a netbook with a 4GB SSD), and it will work just fine for editing. Richard And in my opinion LyX is one of the most productive long-document editors the world has ever seen. Little things like rejecting double- spaces and double-newlines make me much faster as I worry less about mistakes. Its low-crashability and low-corruptability make for fast, confident working conditions. Its steadfast adherance to styles-based authoring makes it easy to build documents the right way. LyX's beige default background is easy on the eyes and yet easily contrasty enough for bad vision -- I should know, my vision's horrible. And, in spite of all the publicity, LyX is WYSIWYG enough that a single glance tells you which pieces of text are special styles. Contrast that with old WordPerfect 5.1, where the whole doc was courier, and if you wanted to see any evidence of styles you'd need to do the WordPerfect equivalent of LyX's View-PDF. Oh, one more thing. I'm now using LyX to author Kindle books -- no PDF involved anywhere. It goes like this: LyX-eLyXer-metadata tweaks-Kindlegen-Upload But LyX is such a great editor, and so styles adherant, that it was the obvious choice. I tried editing eBooks in Sigil for a little while, but that was a migration to Pity City. LyX is a GREAT editor. Steve others, I found these comments to be very interesting. LyX is a great editor, and it seems that it is moving gradually away from its roots as a LaTeX front end. How much effort would it be to incorporate the metadata tweaks directly into the LyX document? It would mean that LyX could become a major method of writing eBooks. Cheers, Alan SteveT Steve Litt Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/key_excellence.htm Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: LyX as editor -- Was: available templates and their names
On 18/11/11 04:41:57, Steve Litt wrote: On Thursday, November 17, 2011 08:22:49 AM Richard Heck wrote: As Helge sometimes points out, this is important. You can install LyX without LaTeX if you like (say, on a netbook with a 4GB SSD), and it will work just fine for editing. Richard And in my opinion LyX is one of the most productive long-document editors the world has ever seen. Little things like rejecting double- spaces and double-newlines make me much faster as I worry less about mistakes. Its low-crashability and low-corruptability make for fast, confident working conditions. Its steadfast adherance to styles-based authoring makes it easy to build documents the right way. LyX's beige default background is easy on the eyes and yet easily contrasty enough for bad vision -- I should know, my vision's horrible. And, in spite of all the publicity, LyX is WYSIWYG enough that a single glance tells you which pieces of text are special styles. Contrast that with old WordPerfect 5.1, where the whole doc was courier, and if you wanted to see any evidence of styles you'd need to do the WordPerfect equivalent of LyX's View-PDF. Oh, one more thing. I'm now using LyX to author Kindle books -- no PDF involved anywhere. It goes like this: LyX-eLyXer-metadata tweaks-Kindlegen-Upload But LyX is such a great editor, and so styles adherant, that it was the obvious choice. I tried editing eBooks in Sigil for a little while, but that was a migration to Pity City. LyX is a GREAT editor. Steve others, I found these comments to be very interesting. LyX is a great editor, and it seems that it is moving gradually away from its roots as a LaTeX front end. How much effort would it be to incorporate the metadata tweaks directly into the LyX document? It would mean that LyX could become a major method of writing eBooks. Cheers, Alan SteveT Steve Litt Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/key_excellence.htm Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: LyX as editor -- Was: available templates and their names
On 18/11/11 04:41:57, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thursday, November 17, 2011 08:22:49 AM Richard Heck wrote: > > As Helge sometimes points out, this is > > important. You can install LyX without LaTeX if you like (say, on > > a netbook with a 4GB SSD), and it will work just fine for editing. > > > > Richard > > And in my opinion LyX is one of the most productive long-document > editors the world has ever seen. Little things like rejecting double- > spaces and double-newlines make me much faster as I worry less about > mistakes. Its low-crashability and low-corruptability make for fast, > confident working conditions. Its steadfast adherance to styles-based > authoring makes it easy to build documents the right way. LyX's beige > default background is easy on the eyes and yet easily contrasty > enough > > for bad vision -- I should know, my vision's horrible. And, in spite > of all the publicity, LyX is WYSIWYG enough that a single glance > tells > > you which pieces of text are special styles. Contrast that with old > WordPerfect 5.1, where the whole doc was courier, and if you wanted > to > > see any evidence of styles you'd need to do the WordPerfect > equivalent > > of LyX's View->PDF. > > Oh, one more thing. I'm now using LyX to author Kindle books -- no > PDF > > involved anywhere. It goes like this: > > LyX->eLyXer->metadata tweaks->Kindlegen->Upload > > But LyX is such a great editor, and so styles adherant, that it was > the obvious choice. I tried editing eBooks in Sigil for a little > while, but that was a migration to Pity City. > > LyX is a GREAT editor. Steve & others, I found these comments to be very interesting. LyX is a great editor, and it seems that it is moving gradually away from its roots as a LaTeX "front end". How much effort would it be to incorporate the "metadata tweaks" directly into the LyX document? It would mean that LyX could become a major method of writing eBooks. Cheers, Alan > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence > http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/key_excellence.htm > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt > > -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: need suggestion on book
On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 04:09:36 +0200 Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Saturday 25 June 2011 19:17:18 Marcelo Acuña wrote: 2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there any advantages or writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx? If you work in plain latex, while you write it, you get a text pestered with commands. That makes difficult the work to write up and to correct the text. Marcelo I couldn't have said it better myself. And because of what Marcelo said, I find LyX is a MUCH faster authoring environment than anything in which I need to see markup. As much as I agree with this, the one drawback of LyX is that you have to put up with its bugs. The big advantage of using LaTeX is its reliability: as long as you know exactly what you do, you only need a robust text editor (or another, or yet another one) to do the job. LyX on the other hand can throw surprises from time to time. This said, LyX is generally rock-solid. Cheers I agree also, but I have an old very large project with lots of custom macros that simply won't translate well into LyX. I use emacs + auctex + reftex and find it very good. Auctex supplies a folding mode that allows you to hide most of the markup (actually, as much or as little as you want). Not quite a slick as LyX, but not far behind either. It is a viable alternative. Cheers, Alan Liviu -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: need suggestion on book
On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 04:09:36 +0200 Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Saturday 25 June 2011 19:17:18 Marcelo Acuña wrote: 2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there any advantages or writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx? If you work in plain latex, while you write it, you get a text pestered with commands. That makes difficult the work to write up and to correct the text. Marcelo I couldn't have said it better myself. And because of what Marcelo said, I find LyX is a MUCH faster authoring environment than anything in which I need to see markup. As much as I agree with this, the one drawback of LyX is that you have to put up with its bugs. The big advantage of using LaTeX is its reliability: as long as you know exactly what you do, you only need a robust text editor (or another, or yet another one) to do the job. LyX on the other hand can throw surprises from time to time. This said, LyX is generally rock-solid. Cheers I agree also, but I have an old very large project with lots of custom macros that simply won't translate well into LyX. I use emacs + auctex + reftex and find it very good. Auctex supplies a folding mode that allows you to hide most of the markup (actually, as much or as little as you want). Not quite a slick as LyX, but not far behind either. It is a viable alternative. Cheers, Alan Liviu -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: need suggestion on book
On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 04:09:36 +0200 Liviu Andronic <landronim...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Steve Litt > <sl...@troubleshooters.com> wrote: > > On Saturday 25 June 2011 19:17:18 Marcelo Acuña wrote: > >> > 2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there > >> > any advantages or > >> > writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx? > >> > >> If you work in plain latex, while you write it, you get a text > >> pestered with commands. That makes difficult the work to write up > >> and to correct the text. > >> > >> Marcelo > > > > I couldn't have said it better myself. And because of what Marcelo > > said, I find LyX is a MUCH faster authoring environment than > > anything in which I need to see markup. > > > As much as I agree with this, the one drawback of LyX is that you have > to put up with its bugs. The big advantage of using LaTeX is its > reliability: as long as you know exactly what you do, you only need a > robust text editor (or another, or yet another one) to do the job. LyX > on the other hand can throw surprises from time to time. > > This said, LyX is generally rock-solid. Cheers I agree also, but I have an old very large project with lots of custom macros that simply won't translate well into LyX. I use emacs + auctex + reftex and find it very good. Auctex supplies a "folding" mode that allows you to hide most of the markup (actually, as much or as little as you want). Not quite a slick as LyX, but not far behind either. It is a viable alternative. Cheers, Alan > Liviu -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: XHTML format and ooffice?
On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:37:52 -0500 Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote: On 03/02/2011 03:38 PM, stefano franchi wrote: Dear All, I love the new xhtml export! Great addition to Lyx. It should also make exporting to Word relatively painless. Since I do not have access to MS Word, though, I wonder if anyone has succeeded in going through open/Libre office instead. On my system (Ubuntu 10.10. latest versions of both oopen/libre), the few files I have tried are open as a plain ascii files---text-editor style, with tags and everything. From what read online, this should not be the case. I am sure I am not seeing something blatantly obvious and would appreciate any help. It looks as if OOo doesn't like the initial xml... line. If you remove it, it will open OK. Or you can open them directly in Abiword - at least on Debian Squeeze. Cheers, Alan rh -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: XHTML format and ooffice?
On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:51:10 -0600 stefano franchi stefano.fran...@gmail.com wrote: Well, Abiword crashes on me when I try to open lyx´s xhtml files. If, as Richard suggested, I remove the first line (the XML declaration), then ooffice opens the file correctly, but puts some garbage on the first line. See pdf below. I am enclosing a simple test file in lyx and the xhtml with the first line removed that produced the garbage line. Can anyone try on their systems? OK, I stand corrected. Abiword didn't crash for me, but reported that it was unable to open the file. It appears to be an invalid document. HOWEVER, if I rename the file test.html, then Abiword opens it. Very strange. Debian Squeeze; Abiword 2.8.2 Cheers, Stefano On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:37:52 -0500 Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote: On 03/02/2011 03:38 PM, stefano franchi wrote: Dear All, I love the new xhtml export! Great addition to Lyx. It should also make exporting to Word relatively painless. Since I do not have access to MS Word, though, I wonder if anyone has succeeded in going through open/Libre office instead. On my system (Ubuntu 10.10. latest versions of both oopen/libre), the few files I have tried are open as a plain ascii files---text-editor style, with tags and everything. From what read online, this should not be the case. I am sure I am not seeing something blatantly obvious and would appreciate any help. It looks as if OOo doesn't like the initial xml... line. If you remove it, it will open OK. Or you can open them directly in Abiword - at least on Debian Squeeze. Cheers, Alan rh -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: XHTML format and ooffice? - Correction
On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:51:10 -0600 stefano franchi stefano.fran...@gmail.com wrote: Well, Abiword crashes on me when I try to open lyx´s xhtml files. If, as Richard suggested, I remove the first line (the XML declaration), then ooffice opens the file correctly, but puts some garbage on the first line. See pdf below. I am enclosing a simple test file in lyx and the xhtml with the first line removed that produced the garbage line. Can anyone try on their systems? This is a bit of a correction on my previous email. I don't understand what is happening. Abiword *can't* open test.xhtml, nor can it open the renamed test.html. HOWEVER, I opened the file in emacs and deleted the first line, saved, then reinserted the first line. Now it opens in Abiword. Running an ediff on the two files shows no differences. I suspect that we are seeing some sort of coding problem, but I don't know enough to track it down. *Something* gets changed (perhaps by emacs) in the delete and reinsertion, but I don't know what it is. Sorry about the misleading previous post. I had done the deletion and reinsertion but had forgotten about it. Cheers, Alan Cheers, Stefano On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:37:52 -0500 Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote: On 03/02/2011 03:38 PM, stefano franchi wrote: Dear All, I love the new xhtml export! Great addition to Lyx. It should also make exporting to Word relatively painless. Since I do not have access to MS Word, though, I wonder if anyone has succeeded in going through open/Libre office instead. On my system (Ubuntu 10.10. latest versions of both oopen/libre), the few files I have tried are open as a plain ascii files---text-editor style, with tags and everything. From what read online, this should not be the case. I am sure I am not seeing something blatantly obvious and would appreciate any help. It looks as if OOo doesn't like the initial xml... line. If you remove it, it will open OK. Or you can open them directly in Abiword - at least on Debian Squeeze. Cheers, Alan rh -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: XHTML format and ooffice? - Tidy
On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:51:10 -0600 stefano franchi stefano.fran...@gmail.com wrote: Well, Abiword crashes on me when I try to open lyx´s xhtml files. If, as Richard suggested, I remove the first line (the XML declaration), then ooffice opens the file correctly, but puts some garbage on the first line. See pdf below. I am enclosing a simple test file in lyx and the xhtml with the first line removed that produced the garbage line. Can anyone try on their systems? OK. I ran tidy on the test.xhtml file and got the following: alant@stormy:~$ tidy -m -asxhtml test.xhtml line 1 column 1 - Warning: specified input encoding (iso-8859-1) does not match actual input encoding (utf-8) Info: Document content looks like XHTML 1.0 Strict No warnings or errors were found. After that, the document would open in Abiword. Perhaps someone who knows more than I can do something with this. Cheers, Alan Cheers, Stefano On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:37:52 -0500 Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote: On 03/02/2011 03:38 PM, stefano franchi wrote: Dear All, I love the new xhtml export! Great addition to Lyx. It should also make exporting to Word relatively painless. Since I do not have access to MS Word, though, I wonder if anyone has succeeded in going through open/Libre office instead. On my system (Ubuntu 10.10. latest versions of both oopen/libre), the few files I have tried are open as a plain ascii files---text-editor style, with tags and everything. From what read online, this should not be the case. I am sure I am not seeing something blatantly obvious and would appreciate any help. It looks as if OOo doesn't like the initial xml... line. If you remove it, it will open OK. Or you can open them directly in Abiword - at least on Debian Squeeze. Cheers, Alan rh -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: XHTML format and ooffice?
On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:37:52 -0500 Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote: On 03/02/2011 03:38 PM, stefano franchi wrote: Dear All, I love the new xhtml export! Great addition to Lyx. It should also make exporting to Word relatively painless. Since I do not have access to MS Word, though, I wonder if anyone has succeeded in going through open/Libre office instead. On my system (Ubuntu 10.10. latest versions of both oopen/libre), the few files I have tried are open as a plain ascii files---text-editor style, with tags and everything. From what read online, this should not be the case. I am sure I am not seeing something blatantly obvious and would appreciate any help. It looks as if OOo doesn't like the initial xml... line. If you remove it, it will open OK. Or you can open them directly in Abiword - at least on Debian Squeeze. Cheers, Alan rh -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: XHTML format and ooffice?
On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:51:10 -0600 stefano franchi stefano.fran...@gmail.com wrote: Well, Abiword crashes on me when I try to open lyx´s xhtml files. If, as Richard suggested, I remove the first line (the XML declaration), then ooffice opens the file correctly, but puts some garbage on the first line. See pdf below. I am enclosing a simple test file in lyx and the xhtml with the first line removed that produced the garbage line. Can anyone try on their systems? OK, I stand corrected. Abiword didn't crash for me, but reported that it was unable to open the file. It appears to be an invalid document. HOWEVER, if I rename the file test.html, then Abiword opens it. Very strange. Debian Squeeze; Abiword 2.8.2 Cheers, Stefano On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:37:52 -0500 Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote: On 03/02/2011 03:38 PM, stefano franchi wrote: Dear All, I love the new xhtml export! Great addition to Lyx. It should also make exporting to Word relatively painless. Since I do not have access to MS Word, though, I wonder if anyone has succeeded in going through open/Libre office instead. On my system (Ubuntu 10.10. latest versions of both oopen/libre), the few files I have tried are open as a plain ascii files---text-editor style, with tags and everything. From what read online, this should not be the case. I am sure I am not seeing something blatantly obvious and would appreciate any help. It looks as if OOo doesn't like the initial xml... line. If you remove it, it will open OK. Or you can open them directly in Abiword - at least on Debian Squeeze. Cheers, Alan rh -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: XHTML format and ooffice? - Correction
On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:51:10 -0600 stefano franchi stefano.fran...@gmail.com wrote: Well, Abiword crashes on me when I try to open lyx´s xhtml files. If, as Richard suggested, I remove the first line (the XML declaration), then ooffice opens the file correctly, but puts some garbage on the first line. See pdf below. I am enclosing a simple test file in lyx and the xhtml with the first line removed that produced the garbage line. Can anyone try on their systems? This is a bit of a correction on my previous email. I don't understand what is happening. Abiword *can't* open test.xhtml, nor can it open the renamed test.html. HOWEVER, I opened the file in emacs and deleted the first line, saved, then reinserted the first line. Now it opens in Abiword. Running an ediff on the two files shows no differences. I suspect that we are seeing some sort of coding problem, but I don't know enough to track it down. *Something* gets changed (perhaps by emacs) in the delete and reinsertion, but I don't know what it is. Sorry about the misleading previous post. I had done the deletion and reinsertion but had forgotten about it. Cheers, Alan Cheers, Stefano On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:37:52 -0500 Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote: On 03/02/2011 03:38 PM, stefano franchi wrote: Dear All, I love the new xhtml export! Great addition to Lyx. It should also make exporting to Word relatively painless. Since I do not have access to MS Word, though, I wonder if anyone has succeeded in going through open/Libre office instead. On my system (Ubuntu 10.10. latest versions of both oopen/libre), the few files I have tried are open as a plain ascii files---text-editor style, with tags and everything. From what read online, this should not be the case. I am sure I am not seeing something blatantly obvious and would appreciate any help. It looks as if OOo doesn't like the initial xml... line. If you remove it, it will open OK. Or you can open them directly in Abiword - at least on Debian Squeeze. Cheers, Alan rh -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: XHTML format and ooffice? - Tidy
On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:51:10 -0600 stefano franchi stefano.fran...@gmail.com wrote: Well, Abiword crashes on me when I try to open lyx´s xhtml files. If, as Richard suggested, I remove the first line (the XML declaration), then ooffice opens the file correctly, but puts some garbage on the first line. See pdf below. I am enclosing a simple test file in lyx and the xhtml with the first line removed that produced the garbage line. Can anyone try on their systems? OK. I ran tidy on the test.xhtml file and got the following: alant@stormy:~$ tidy -m -asxhtml test.xhtml line 1 column 1 - Warning: specified input encoding (iso-8859-1) does not match actual input encoding (utf-8) Info: Document content looks like XHTML 1.0 Strict No warnings or errors were found. After that, the document would open in Abiword. Perhaps someone who knows more than I can do something with this. Cheers, Alan Cheers, Stefano On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:37:52 -0500 Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote: On 03/02/2011 03:38 PM, stefano franchi wrote: Dear All, I love the new xhtml export! Great addition to Lyx. It should also make exporting to Word relatively painless. Since I do not have access to MS Word, though, I wonder if anyone has succeeded in going through open/Libre office instead. On my system (Ubuntu 10.10. latest versions of both oopen/libre), the few files I have tried are open as a plain ascii files---text-editor style, with tags and everything. From what read online, this should not be the case. I am sure I am not seeing something blatantly obvious and would appreciate any help. It looks as if OOo doesn't like the initial xml... line. If you remove it, it will open OK. Or you can open them directly in Abiword - at least on Debian Squeeze. Cheers, Alan rh -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: XHTML format and ooffice?
On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:37:52 -0500 Richard Heck <rgh...@comcast.net> wrote: > On 03/02/2011 03:38 PM, stefano franchi wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > I love the new xhtml export! Great addition to Lyx. It should also > > make exporting to Word relatively painless. Since I do not have > > access to MS Word, though, I wonder if anyone has succeeded in > > going through open/Libre office instead. On my system (Ubuntu > > 10.10. latest versions of both oopen/libre), the few files I have > > tried are open as a plain ascii files---text-editor style, with > > tags and everything. From what read online, this should not be the > > case. I am sure I am not seeing something blatantly obvious and > > would appreciate any help. > > > It looks as if OOo doesn't like the initial line. If you > remove it, it will open OK. Or you can open them directly in Abiword - at least on Debian Squeeze. Cheers, Alan > > rh > -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: XHTML format and ooffice?
On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:51:10 -0600 stefano franchi <stefano.fran...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, > > Abiword crashes on me when I try to open lyx´s xhtml files. If, as > Richard suggested, I remove the first line (the XML declaration), > then ooffice opens the file correctly, but puts some garbage on the > first line. See pdf below. I am enclosing a simple test file in lyx > and the xhtml with the first line removed that produced the garbage > line. Can anyone try on their systems? > OK, I stand corrected. Abiword didn't crash for me, but reported that it was unable to open the file. "It appears to be an invalid document". HOWEVER, if I rename the file test.html, then Abiword opens it. Very strange. Debian Squeeze; Abiword 2.8.2 > Cheers, > > Stefano > > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Alan L Tyree <alanty...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:37:52 -0500 > > Richard Heck <rgh...@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > On 03/02/2011 03:38 PM, stefano franchi wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > I love the new xhtml export! Great addition to Lyx. It should > > > > also make exporting to Word relatively painless. Since I do not > > > > have access to MS Word, though, I wonder if anyone has > > > > succeeded in going through open/Libre office instead. On my > > > > system (Ubuntu 10.10. latest versions of both oopen/libre), the > > > > few files I have tried are open as a plain ascii > > > > files---text-editor style, with tags and everything. From what > > > > read online, this should not be the case. I am sure I am not > > > > seeing something blatantly obvious and would appreciate any > > > > help. > > > > > > > It looks as if OOo doesn't like the initial line. If you > > > remove it, it will open OK. > > > > Or you can open them directly in Abiword - at least on Debian > > Squeeze. > > > > Cheers, > > Alan > > > > > > > > rh > > > > > > > > > -- > > Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan > > Tel: 04 2748 6206 > > > > -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: XHTML format and ooffice? - Correction
On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:51:10 -0600 stefano franchi <stefano.fran...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, > > Abiword crashes on me when I try to open lyx´s xhtml files. If, as > Richard suggested, I remove the first line (the XML declaration), > then ooffice opens the file correctly, but puts some garbage on the > first line. See pdf below. I am enclosing a simple test file in lyx > and the xhtml with the first line removed that produced the garbage > line. Can anyone try on their systems? This is a bit of a correction on my previous email. I don't understand what is happening. Abiword *can't* open test.xhtml, nor can it open the renamed test.html. HOWEVER, I opened the file in emacs and deleted the first line, saved, then reinserted the first line. Now it opens in Abiword. Running an ediff on the two files shows no differences. I suspect that we are seeing some sort of coding problem, but I don't know enough to track it down. *Something* gets changed (perhaps by emacs) in the delete and reinsertion, but I don't know what it is. Sorry about the misleading previous post. I had done the deletion and reinsertion but had forgotten about it. Cheers, Alan > > Cheers, > > Stefano > > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Alan L Tyree <alanty...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:37:52 -0500 > > Richard Heck <rgh...@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > On 03/02/2011 03:38 PM, stefano franchi wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > I love the new xhtml export! Great addition to Lyx. It should > > > > also make exporting to Word relatively painless. Since I do not > > > > have access to MS Word, though, I wonder if anyone has > > > > succeeded in going through open/Libre office instead. On my > > > > system (Ubuntu 10.10. latest versions of both oopen/libre), the > > > > few files I have tried are open as a plain ascii > > > > files---text-editor style, with tags and everything. From what > > > > read online, this should not be the case. I am sure I am not > > > > seeing something blatantly obvious and would appreciate any > > > > help. > > > > > > > It looks as if OOo doesn't like the initial line. If you > > > remove it, it will open OK. > > > > Or you can open them directly in Abiword - at least on Debian > > Squeeze. > > > > Cheers, > > Alan > > > > > > > > rh > > > > > > > > > -- > > Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan > > Tel: 04 2748 6206 > > > > -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: XHTML format and ooffice? - Tidy
On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:51:10 -0600 stefano franchi <stefano.fran...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, > > Abiword crashes on me when I try to open lyx´s xhtml files. If, as > Richard suggested, I remove the first line (the XML declaration), > then ooffice opens the file correctly, but puts some garbage on the > first line. See pdf below. I am enclosing a simple test file in lyx > and the xhtml with the first line removed that produced the garbage > line. Can anyone try on their systems? OK. I ran tidy on the test.xhtml file and got the following: alant@stormy:~$ tidy -m -asxhtml test.xhtml line 1 column 1 - Warning: specified input encoding (iso-8859-1) does not match actual input encoding (utf-8) Info: Document content looks like XHTML 1.0 Strict No warnings or errors were found. After that, the document would open in Abiword. Perhaps someone who knows more than I can do something with this. Cheers, Alan > > Cheers, > > Stefano > > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Alan L Tyree <alanty...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:37:52 -0500 > > Richard Heck <rgh...@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > On 03/02/2011 03:38 PM, stefano franchi wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > I love the new xhtml export! Great addition to Lyx. It should > > > > also make exporting to Word relatively painless. Since I do not > > > > have access to MS Word, though, I wonder if anyone has > > > > succeeded in going through open/Libre office instead. On my > > > > system (Ubuntu 10.10. latest versions of both oopen/libre), the > > > > few files I have tried are open as a plain ascii > > > > files---text-editor style, with tags and everything. From what > > > > read online, this should not be the case. I am sure I am not > > > > seeing something blatantly obvious and would appreciate any > > > > help. > > > > > > > It looks as if OOo doesn't like the initial line. If you > > > remove it, it will open OK. > > > > Or you can open them directly in Abiword - at least on Debian > > Squeeze. > > > > Cheers, > > Alan > > > > > > > > rh > > > > > > > > > -- > > Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan > > Tel: 04 2748 6206 > > > > -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: LyX and editors?
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 00:25:47 -0500 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Hi all, Perhaps some of you author in LyX but have editors go over your material. My experience is most editors don't have LyX and don't have the technical chops to use LyX. So how do you interface with your editors when writing a book in LyX? Hi Steve, I do lyx - latex - oo - .doc via oolatex (part of the tex4ht package). It's a pain, but it works for me. Cheers, Alan Thanks SteveT Steve Litt Recession Relief Package http://www.recession-relief.US Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: LyX and editors?
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 00:25:47 -0500 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Hi all, Perhaps some of you author in LyX but have editors go over your material. My experience is most editors don't have LyX and don't have the technical chops to use LyX. So how do you interface with your editors when writing a book in LyX? Hi Steve, I do lyx - latex - oo - .doc via oolatex (part of the tex4ht package). It's a pain, but it works for me. Cheers, Alan Thanks SteveT Steve Litt Recession Relief Package http://www.recession-relief.US Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: LyX and editors?
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 00:25:47 -0500 Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > Perhaps some of you author in LyX but have editors go over your > material. My experience is most editors don't have LyX and don't have > the technical chops to use LyX. So how do you interface with your > editors when writing a book in LyX? > Hi Steve, I do lyx -> latex -> oo -> .doc via oolatex (part of the tex4ht package). It's a pain, but it works for me. Cheers, Alan > Thanks > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Recession Relief Package > http://www.recession-relief.US > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt > -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: How to show two images side by side?
On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 21:48:46 -0400 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Hi all, I know in LyX there's some way to show two images side by side but I forgot how to do it. How do I do it? One way is to use a couple of boxes and a horizontal stretch between them. There are (undoubtedly) other ways, but I found that the best. Cheers, Alan Thanks StgevET Steve Litt Recession Relief Package http://www.recession-relief.US Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: How to show two images side by side?
On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 21:48:46 -0400 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Hi all, I know in LyX there's some way to show two images side by side but I forgot how to do it. How do I do it? One way is to use a couple of boxes and a horizontal stretch between them. There are (undoubtedly) other ways, but I found that the best. Cheers, Alan Thanks StgevET Steve Litt Recession Relief Package http://www.recession-relief.US Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: How to show two images side by side?
On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 21:48:46 -0400 Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I know in LyX there's some way to show two images side by side but I > forgot how to do it. How do I do it? One way is to use a couple of boxes and a horizontal stretch between them. There are (undoubtedly) other ways, but I found that the best. Cheers, Alan > > Thanks > > StgevET > > Steve Litt > Recession Relief Package > http://www.recession-relief.US > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt > -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: How to convert to MS Word?
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 06:42:23 -0400 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Hi all, I know this question has been answered 1.1 million times on the list, but I couldn't quickly find it in a search so I thought I'd ask it again... On my second-to-next book I'm going to use the services of a real copy editor. Most copy editors prefer (ugh) MS Word. I have to admit when I wrote Samba Unleashed, the copy editing/proofreading process did work very well with MS Word. SNIP Hi Steve, I regularly convert a 600+ page book from LaTeX to OO using the oolatex script that comes with tex4ht. It even does a proper conversion of macros that allow indexing and cross referencing to paragraph numbers. There used to be a problem with the version of Java installed, but I don't think that matters any more - not sure. Cheers, Alan Thanks SteveT Steve Litt Recession Relief Package http://www.recession-relief.US Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: How to convert to MS Word?
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 06:42:23 -0400 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Hi all, I know this question has been answered 1.1 million times on the list, but I couldn't quickly find it in a search so I thought I'd ask it again... On my second-to-next book I'm going to use the services of a real copy editor. Most copy editors prefer (ugh) MS Word. I have to admit when I wrote Samba Unleashed, the copy editing/proofreading process did work very well with MS Word. SNIP Hi Steve, I regularly convert a 600+ page book from LaTeX to OO using the oolatex script that comes with tex4ht. It even does a proper conversion of macros that allow indexing and cross referencing to paragraph numbers. There used to be a problem with the version of Java installed, but I don't think that matters any more - not sure. Cheers, Alan Thanks SteveT Steve Litt Recession Relief Package http://www.recession-relief.US Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: How to convert to MS Word?
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 06:42:23 -0400 Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I know this question has been answered 1.1 million times on the list, > but I couldn't quickly find it in a search so I thought I'd ask it > again... > > On my second-to-next book I'm going to use the services of a real > copy editor. Most copy editors prefer (ugh) MS Word. I have to admit > when I wrote Samba Unleashed, the copy editing/proofreading process > did work very well with MS Word. > Hi Steve, I regularly convert a 600+ page book from LaTeX to OO using the oolatex script that comes with tex4ht. It even does a proper conversion of macros that allow indexing and cross referencing to paragraph numbers. There used to be a problem with the version of Java installed, but I don't think that matters any more - not sure. Cheers, Alan > > Thanks > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Recession Relief Package > http://www.recession-relief.US > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt > -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: Widows... and orphans
On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:27:06 -0400 Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote: On 07/17/2010 04:39 PM, Frederick Noronha wrote: Is there any way to avoid widows and orphans showing up in Lyx? TeX tries to avoid them, but it will allow them if it deems other options worse. You can make TeX give greater weight to the prevention of widows and orphans by setting certain variables, but I don't now remember what they are. Google knows, though. So might the LyX wiki. rh \clubpenalty=1 \widowpenalty=1 Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: Widows... and orphans
On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:27:06 -0400 Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote: On 07/17/2010 04:39 PM, Frederick Noronha wrote: Is there any way to avoid widows and orphans showing up in Lyx? TeX tries to avoid them, but it will allow them if it deems other options worse. You can make TeX give greater weight to the prevention of widows and orphans by setting certain variables, but I don't now remember what they are. Google knows, though. So might the LyX wiki. rh \clubpenalty=1 \widowpenalty=1 Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
