RE: temporarily disable 3-pass processing of citations/bibliography
[ Small correction to recipe below ] From: Bravington, Mark (Data61, Hobart) Sent: 16 September 2018 11:40 To: Richard Kimberly Heck; lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: RE: temporarily disable 3-pass processing of citations/bibliography > From: Richard Kimberly Heck [rikih...@lyx.org] Sent: 15 September 2018 12:12 To: Bravington, Mark (Data61, Hobart); lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: temporarily disable 3-pass processing of citations/bibliography On 8/13/18 8:21 PM, mark.braving...@data61.csiro.au wrote: > > Including citations/references, or even telling Lyx that they *might* be > > used (see below), slows down PDF preview quite a bit, ie > > Document->View(PDF). Is there a way to temporarily turn off the 3-pass > > system (~3 calls to pdflatex interspersed by calls to biber or bibtex)? Of > > course, it's then fine for all citations to appear as "labels" or [?] . <>> > Not sure how helpful this is now: But you could export to LaTeX and run > everything else manually. > Riki [ Minor corrections with **...** below ] Aha! Armed with that hint, I was able to define a Format and Converter that give "one-pass-only" PDFs; pig-ugly refs, no biblio, but very quick! The Format I called "PDF (nobib)" and it mimicks Lyx's existing "PDF (pdflatex)" Format ** except that the Viewer needs to be set to Custom, with a value "auto" **. The Converter looks exactly like Lyx's "Latex (pdf) -> PDF (latex)" but obviously ends " ... -> PDF (nobib)" instead. The only change needed to the Converter was to clear the "Extra flags" field. This seems to do what I want (I think--- I am no expert on La/tex, and have not tested beyond a basic case). It might be worth adding this as a built-in format and converter (or I may be the only person who sees the speed as a problem...). ** Some experimentation was required to get this to work--- the documentation doesn't describe what to do with the Viewer field, nor mention Custom/auto. ** ** DELETED --- FIX GIVEN ABOVE The only and very minor issue is that, when defining the new Format, I cannot select "pdfview" as the Viewer--- which is what Lyx uses for all other PDF outputs. instead, I had to choose "custom" and then type the name of my viewer (Sumatra) into a box. No big deal, obvs. ** Thanks Mark
RE: temporarily disable 3-pass processing of citations/bibliography
> From: Richard Kimberly Heck [rikih...@lyx.org] Sent: 15 September 2018 12:12 To: Bravington, Mark (Data61, Hobart); lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: temporarily disable 3-pass processing of citations/bibliography On 8/13/18 8:21 PM, mark.braving...@data61.csiro.au wrote: > > Including citations/references, or even telling Lyx that they *might* be > > used (see below), slows down PDF preview quite a bit, ie > > Document->View(PDF). Is there a way to temporarily turn off the 3-pass > > system (~3 calls to pdflatex interspersed by calls to biber or bibtex)? Of > > course, it's then fine for all citations to appear as "labels" or [?] . <>> > Not sure how helpful this is now: But you could export to LaTeX and run > everything else manually. > Riki Aha! Armed with that hint, I was able to define a Format and Converter that give "one-pass-only" PDFs; pig-ugly refs, no biblio, but very quick! The Format I called "PDF (nobib)" and it mimicks Lyx's existing "PDF (pdflatex)" Format. The Converter looks exactly like Lyx's "Latex (pdf) -> PDF (latex)" but obviously ends " ... -> PDF (nobib)" instead. The only change needed to the Converter was to clear the "Extra flags" field. This seems to do what I want (I think--- I am no expert on La/tex, and have not tested beyond a basic case). It might be worth adding this as a built-in format and converter (or I may be the only person who sees the speed as a problem...). The only and very minor issue is that, when defining the new Format, I cannot select "pdfview" as the Viewer--- which is what Lyx uses for all other PDF outputs. instead, I had to choose "custom" and then type the name of my viewer (Sumatra) into a box. No big deal, obvs. Thanks Mark
temporarily disable 3-pass processing of citations/bibliography
Including citations/references, or even telling Lyx that they *might* be used (see below), slows down PDF preview quite a bit, ie Document->View(PDF). Is there a way to temporarily turn off the 3-pass system (~3 calls to pdflatex interspersed by calls to biber or bibtex)? Of course, it's then fine for all citations to appear as "labels" or [?] . This is particularly noticeable when Lyx 2.3.0 bibliography "style" is set to biblatex/biber, in which case Lyx *always* seems to use 3 passes whether there are citations or bibliography or not. The speed is no problem for final production, but a bit annoying when trying to get a quick preview. To be clear: my preferred default for all documents, whether they include references or not, would be to set Document->Settings->Bibliography->Citation_style->Style_format to "biblatex". But this is annoyingly slow on some documents. Setting the same thing to "bibtex" still leads to 3 passes if any citations/bibliography are present--- as it should--- but with bibtex at least Lyx is then smart enough to just do 1 pass if there are no citations/bibliography. However, biblatex is better, so I'd prefer it to be the default... So 2 questions here: - (less important) with biblatex/biber, can the 3 passes automatically be reduced to 1 when there are no "live" citations or bibliographies, eg not in any active branches? This already happens with bibtex. - (more useful) can the 3 passes be reduced to 1 regardless of biblatex vs bibtex, by just changing one thing somewhere? And yes, this will lead to [?] and/or printing-the-label type citations. A "Document->settings->bibliography->turn_off_citations_and_biblio" box would be perfect longer-term. But a hack would be fine for now ;) FWIW I am using Lyx 2.3.0 under Windows 10--- "official" biblatex/biber support only appeared in Lyx 2.3. Thanks Mark
RE: lyx 2.3.0 cannot find biblatex.sty so biblatex not working
> > From: Richard Kimberly Heck [rikih...@lyx.org] > Sent: 13 July 2018 11:59 > To: Bravington, Mark (Data61, Hobart); lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Subject: Re: lyx 2.3.0 cannot find biblatex.sty so biblatex not working > > On 07/12/2018 08:44 PM, mark.braving...@data61.csiro.au wrote: > > With newly installed (upgraded) Lyx 2.3.0, whenever I try to add a Biblatex > > bibliography, I am getting this error box: > > > > Lyx: package not available > > The cite engine biblatex requires a package that is not available ... or a > > converter that you have not installed... > > Missing prerequisites: biblatex.sty > > ... > > > > Background: I've just updated to Lyx 2.3.0 via the Windows installer (for > > which, many thanks). A key reason for me to upgrade is the native Biblatex > > support. With Lyx 2.2, I got Biblatex working fine via the tricks described > > in the Lyx Wiki--- so my system is/was basically OK I reckon. But I can't > > get biblatex biblios going with Lyx 2.3.0. > > > > [snip] > > > > - The exact same issue has occurred on my two machines where I've just > > upgraded to Lyx 2.3. In one case, I did a complete Miktex reinstall *after* > > installing Lyx 2.3, but in the other I used my previous Miktex. Since I > > already had working Miktex 2.9 with Lyx 2.2, I used the Installer > > "LyX-230-Installer-6.exe", not the Bundle (then, on one machine, I > > re-installed Miktex directly). > > FYI, this is not the official installer. It's similar to that one, but > not quite the same. > > > - Tools->Tex_Information->Latex_styles does show "biblatex.sty". There are > > lots of entries in the "Biblatex citation styles" and "Biblatex > > bibliography styles", too. > > Weird. That means LyX should know you have that package. > > One suggestion would be to try with a fresh user directory. It's > possible there's something in the one you have that's left over from the > previous biblatex hackery. But it's hard to know. > > Riki Yes--- that solved it, thanks. I haven't been able to work out exactly which the offending file(s) were, otherwise I would have listed them here. What I really wanted from the old userdir were some bind and ui files--- I have manually copied them (and edited them, since some Lyx functions have changed) into the new userdir, and things seem fine now. Mark
RE: lyx 2.3.0 cannot find biblatex.sty so biblatex not working
Thanks: a fresh UserDir solved it. I'm not sure exactly what the problem was in my 2.2-friendly UserDir... I have tested various files from it into the new Userdir without being able to replicate the problem (but the problem is still there with my 2.2-Userdir) so unfortunately I can't tell you exactly what was not compatible. In the end, I have done a bunch of copying and manual tweaking of files (bind and ui and preferences) from my old Userdir into the new one--- a bit painful, but never mind--- and now seem to have Lyx 2.3.0 working nicely. And it is very nice! > On 07/12/2018 08:44 PM, mark.braving...@data61.csiro.au wrote: > > With newly installed (upgraded) Lyx 2.3.0, whenever I try to add a Biblatex > > bibliography, I am getting this error box: > > > > Lyx: package not available > > The cite engine biblatex requires a package that is not available ... or a > > converter that you have not installed... > > Missing prerequisites: biblatex.sty > > ... > > > > [Riki Heck wrote:] > One suggestion would be to try with a fresh user directory. It's > possible there's something in the one you have that's left over from the > previous biblatex hackery. > > > Background: I've just updated to Lyx 2.3.0 via the Windows installer (for > > which, many thanks). A key reason for me to upgrade is the native Biblatex > > support. With Lyx 2.2, I got Biblatex working fine via the tricks described > > in the Lyx Wiki--- so my system is/was basically OK I reckon. But I can't > > get biblatex biblios going with Lyx 2.3.0. > > > > [snip] > > > > - The exact same issue has occurred on my two machines where I've just > > upgraded to Lyx 2.3. In one case, I did a complete Miktex reinstall *after* > > installing Lyx 2.3, but in the other I used my previous Miktex. Since I > > already had working Miktex 2.9 with Lyx 2.2, I used the Installer > > "LyX-230-Installer-6.exe", not the Bundle (then, on one machine, I > > re-installed Miktex directly). > > FYI, this is not the official installer. It's similar to that one, but > not quite the same. > > > - Tools->Tex_Information->Latex_styles does show "biblatex.sty". There are > > lots of entries in the "Biblatex citation styles" and "Biblatex > > bibliography styles", too. > > Weird. That means LyX should know you have that package. > > One suggestion would be to try with a fresh user directory. It's > possible there's something in the one you have that's left over from the > previous biblatex hackery. But it's hard to know. > > Riki > >
lyx 2.3.0 cannot find biblatex.sty so biblatex not working
With newly installed (upgraded) Lyx 2.3.0, whenever I try to add a Biblatex bibliography, I am getting this error box: Lyx: package not available The cite engine biblatex requires a package that is not available ... or a converter that you have not installed... Missing prerequisites: biblatex.sty ... Background: I've just updated to Lyx 2.3.0 via the Windows installer (for which, many thanks). A key reason for me to upgrade is the native Biblatex support. With Lyx 2.2, I got Biblatex working fine via the tricks described in the Lyx Wiki--- so my system is/was basically OK I reckon. But I can't get biblatex biblios going with Lyx 2.3.0. More details below. Any thoughts? - This is Windows 10 64 bit, Miktex 2.9. - Documents without biblios seem to work fine (ie produce PDFs) and Miktex has been happily installing packages on-the-fly at Lyx's request. - kpsewhich biblatex.sty (in a command window) finds the file, no problem. - the biblatex.sty file lives underneath one of the "TEXMF root directories" that Miktex knows about (I am out-of-my-depth on that stuff, but I - This happens both with a brand-new document (Article/Standard class, no modules, no local layout, a few lines of text) when I try to add a biblio, and also with a 2.2-format document when following the instructions in "How to transition from using Biblatex in LyX 2.2 and earlier to native support in LyX 2.3" on the Lyx Wiki. - Happens whether I set Document->Settings->Biblio->Citation_style->Style_format to "biblatex" or to "biblatex( natbib)", though the name of the cite-engine in the error box changes. - The exact same issue has occurred on my two machines where I've just upgraded to Lyx 2.3. In one case, I did a complete Miktex reinstall *after* installing Lyx 2.3, but in the other I used my previous Miktex. Since I already had working Miktex 2.9 with Lyx 2.2, I used the Installer "LyX-230-Installer-6.exe", not the Bundle (then, on one machine, I re-installed Miktex directly). - Tools->Tex_Information->Latex_styles does show "biblatex.sty". There are lots of entries in the "Biblatex citation styles" and "Biblatex bibliography styles", too. - FWIW: in Tools->Preferences, I have TEXINPUTS set to "." and PATH_prefix set to "$LyXDir\bin;$LyXDir\Python;$LyXDir\Python\Lib;$LyXDir\Perl\bin;$LyXDir\imagemagick;C:\miktex\miktex_2.9\miktex\bin\x64;C:\Rtools\Rtools34\mingw-64\bin;C:\Rtools\Rtools34\bin;C:\R\R-3.3.3\bin\i386;C:\PROGRA~1\Git\bin". The same issue happens whether I remove or include the miktex folder there. Mark Bravington CSIRO Marine Lab Hobart Australia
RE: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0 -- similar for 1.6.8
Hi Manveru I don't think using a slow CTAN mirror was really the issue. If I compare the Miktex installation on the machine where I LyxWinInstalled, vs on my other machine where I standard-Lyx-installed, there are now thousands of extra directories created on the former (eg >1000 new directories in tex\latex). Because of their creation dates, I'm pretty sure LyxWinInstall is responsible. It seems to have asked Miktex to do a complete install of every conceivable package. However, I know Lyx can run fine with a much smaller set, and that's what I'm really asking about / suggesting here. I reckon my questions below still apply. (In fact, despite my optimism in yesterday's email, the Miktex mega-update did in fact crash partway thru its 5-hour marathon. I haven't noticed a problem yet, but that's probably because the un-updated packages are fine anyway...) Defaulting to a CTAN mirror in Germany is a minor aspect, I think-- though it might be preferable to not have a default, and force the user to choose. I freely admit to knowing very little about Miktex or Tex generally (which is one reason why I think Lyx is so wonderful-- I don't have to learn that stuff!). Mark Bravington CSIRO CMIS Marine Lab Hobart Australia > > From: Manveru [manv...@manveru.pl] > Sent: 21 December 2010 17:49 > To: Bravington, Mark (CMIS, Hobart) > Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Subject: Re: [correction] LyXWinInstaller for LyX 1.6.0 -- similar for 1.6.8 > > 2010/12/20 Mark Bravington : > > I'm just going through a similar painful process with Lyx 1.6.8 and > > LyxWinInstaller. I certainly appreciate the efforts of the LyxWinInstaller > > developers, but I do think there is a big problem with the current > > version-- and > > it doesn't warn you properly. > > > > My story is this. I have existing Lyx 1.6.7 and Miktex installations that > > work > > absolutely fine together. I want to upgrade Lyx to 1.6.8. Because I was > > worried > > that the standard LyX installer might decide to re-install Miktex from > > scratch > > or something like that (I can't remember whether it actually does, but I > > didn't > > want to find out the hard way), I tried WinInstaller instead-- I thought it > > would be quicker. Because I hadn't used it before, I chose the "Small" > > variant. > > The WinInstaller webpage seems to say it won't try to re-install Miktex if > > it > > doesn't have to, but WinInstaller still decided it needed to update 100s of > > Miktex packages. From Germany! > > > > (I live in Australia. I have no idea where I last installed Miktex packages > > from, so I trusted the box that said "use same place as last time > > (Germany)?"... > > which it clearly) > > > > It's going to take about 5 hours, and there are scary warnings on this > > thread > > about what will happen if I just stop the process. This time, I'll probably > > be > > lucky: work pays for the download, it's morning so I don't need to turn the > > computer off overnight, and the connection probably won't go down over the > > 5-hour period. None of these need be true if I am at home (so I guess I will > > avoid WinInstaller altogether on my home machine). For something this slow, > > I > > don't think "just wait until it finishes" is OK advice. > > > > From what little I can remember of the last time I installed a new Lyx > > version > > with the standard installer, the whole process was much quicker, whether or > > not > > it actually did re-install Miktex. (It was still slow enough that I wanted > > an > > alternative that didn't fiddle with Miktex, but not this one...) > > > > So... some questions/requests! > > > > Is this extremely slow process going to happen again if I use WinInstaller > > in > > "update" mode next time? [Might be a bit faster if I chose a better mirror site, but not much I suspect] > > > > Is there any way to tell WinInstaller, "don't bother to update every single > > miktex package ever written-- I'll wait for that to happen during normal Lyx > > usage, if & when a package is actually needed"? [Since I already had a > > perfectly > > good Miktex installation for my Lyx needs.] [I'd still like to know...] > > > > Can the introductory documentation please warn that "just saying yes" is > > going > > to lead to an incredible delay? [Maybe it's there already, but it wasn't > > obvious > > to me.] [Still applies I think...] > > > > Again, I do appreciate the efforts, and probably there is something simple > > that > > the developers can do to fix it -- but I am currently wishing I hadn't used > > WinInstaller! > > But slow MikTeX update is not a WinInstaller fault, rather yours. You > do not switch MikTeX to CTAN mirror near you. It is always safe to do > that on every MikTeX update. This is a process implements by MikTeX > author, not any of LyX authors. > > -- > Manveru > jabber: manv...@manveru.pl > gg: 1624001 >http://www.manveru.pl >
