Re: Mac Shut-down Bug

2007-08-29 Thread Michael Anderson
I'm having trouble posting the crash log for this error.  Is there a  
specific portion that I should focus on an post?


Mike

On Aug 28, 2007, at 1:43 PM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On Aug 28, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Michael Anderson wrote:

No, the problem comes when I try to quit LyX.  The application  
itself will not shut down and becomes unresponsive and requires me  
to force quit. During this unresponsive period, my system monitor  
shows that lyx is using 55% of the CPU during this time... this is  
unrelated to a computer log out or shut down.


I haven't seen this with 1.5.x. Are there more details you can  
find? (When this happens, is there anything that appears in  
console.log?)


Bennett





Re: Mac Shut-down Bug

2007-08-29 Thread Michael Anderson
I'm having trouble posting the crash log for this error.  Is there a  
specific portion that I should focus on an post?


Mike

On Aug 28, 2007, at 1:43 PM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On Aug 28, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Michael Anderson wrote:

No, the problem comes when I try to quit LyX.  The application  
itself will not shut down and becomes unresponsive and requires me  
to force quit. During this unresponsive period, my system monitor  
shows that lyx is using 55% of the CPU during this time... this is  
unrelated to a computer log out or shut down.


I haven't seen this with 1.5.x. Are there more details you can  
find? (When this happens, is there anything that appears in  
console.log?)


Bennett





Re: Mac Shut-down Bug

2007-08-29 Thread Michael Anderson
I'm having trouble posting the crash log for this error.  Is there a  
specific portion that I should focus on an post?


Mike

On Aug 28, 2007, at 1:43 PM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On Aug 28, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Michael Anderson wrote:

No, the problem comes when I try to quit LyX.  The application  
itself will not shut down and becomes unresponsive and requires me  
to force quit. During this unresponsive period, my system monitor  
shows that lyx is using 55% of the CPU during this time... this is  
unrelated to a computer log out or shut down.


I haven't seen this with 1.5.x. Are there more details you can  
find? (When this happens, is there anything that appears in  
console.log?)


Bennett





Re: Mac Shut-down Bug

2007-08-28 Thread Michael Anderson
No, the problem comes when I try to quit LyX.  The application itself  
will not shut down and becomes unresponsive and requires me to force  
quit. During this unresponsive period, my system monitor shows that  
lyx is using 55% of the CPU during this time... this is unrelated to  
a computer log out or shut down.

Mike

On Aug 28, 2007, at 5:29 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On Aug 28, 2007, at 12:28 AM, Michael Anderson wrote:

Hey, has anyone had any problems with Lyx freezing up on shut  
down?  I've been having trouble with this for a little while.  I'm  
using Lyx 1.5.1, on an intel based mac.  This makes me a little  
nervous as when I check my system monitor it shows that the cpu is  
getting pretty toasty and LyX is using about 50-60% of the cpu.   
Anybody have any thoughts?


There had been an occasional problem in the 1.4 series (seemingly  
fixed with 1.5) with LyX/Mac crashing on quit, but I take it that's  
not what you mean. You mean that you have LyX running when you shut  
down the computer, and LyX hangs, stalling (and so ultimately  
cancelling) the shutdown. Right?


I haven't had that problem, but you might check Console.app (even  
after you've restarted your Mac) to see if anything pertinent is  
written in the log file. Without being able to reproduce it and  
without more diagnostic info, it's hard to know what's going on.


Bennett





Re: Mac Shut-down Bug

2007-08-28 Thread Michael Anderson
No, the problem comes when I try to quit LyX.  The application itself  
will not shut down and becomes unresponsive and requires me to force  
quit. During this unresponsive period, my system monitor shows that  
lyx is using 55% of the CPU during this time... this is unrelated to  
a computer log out or shut down.

Mike

On Aug 28, 2007, at 5:29 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On Aug 28, 2007, at 12:28 AM, Michael Anderson wrote:

Hey, has anyone had any problems with Lyx freezing up on shut  
down?  I've been having trouble with this for a little while.  I'm  
using Lyx 1.5.1, on an intel based mac.  This makes me a little  
nervous as when I check my system monitor it shows that the cpu is  
getting pretty toasty and LyX is using about 50-60% of the cpu.   
Anybody have any thoughts?


There had been an occasional problem in the 1.4 series (seemingly  
fixed with 1.5) with LyX/Mac crashing on quit, but I take it that's  
not what you mean. You mean that you have LyX running when you shut  
down the computer, and LyX hangs, stalling (and so ultimately  
cancelling) the shutdown. Right?


I haven't had that problem, but you might check Console.app (even  
after you've restarted your Mac) to see if anything pertinent is  
written in the log file. Without being able to reproduce it and  
without more diagnostic info, it's hard to know what's going on.


Bennett





Re: Mac Shut-down Bug

2007-08-28 Thread Michael Anderson
No, the problem comes when I try to quit LyX.  The application itself  
will not shut down and becomes unresponsive and requires me to force  
quit. During this unresponsive period, my system monitor shows that  
lyx is using 55% of the CPU during this time... this is unrelated to  
a computer log out or shut down.

Mike

On Aug 28, 2007, at 5:29 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On Aug 28, 2007, at 12:28 AM, Michael Anderson wrote:

Hey, has anyone had any problems with Lyx freezing up on shut  
down?  I've been having trouble with this for a little while.  I'm  
using Lyx 1.5.1, on an intel based mac.  This makes me a little  
nervous as when I check my system monitor it shows that the cpu is  
getting pretty toasty and LyX is using about 50-60% of the cpu.   
Anybody have any thoughts?


There had been an occasional problem in the 1.4 series (seemingly  
fixed with 1.5) with LyX/Mac crashing on quit, but I take it that's  
not what you mean. You mean that you have LyX running when you shut  
down the computer, and LyX hangs, stalling (and so ultimately  
cancelling) the shutdown. Right?


I haven't had that problem, but you might check Console.app (even  
after you've restarted your Mac) to see if anything pertinent is  
written in the log file. Without being able to reproduce it and  
without more diagnostic info, it's hard to know what's going on.


Bennett





Mac Shut-down Bug

2007-08-27 Thread Michael Anderson
Hey, has anyone had any problems with Lyx freezing up on shut down?   
I've been having trouble with this for a little while.  I'm using Lyx  
1.5.1, on an intel based mac.  This makes me a little nervous as when  
I check my system monitor it shows that the cpu is getting pretty  
toasty and LyX is using about 50-60% of the cpu.  Anybody have any  
thoughts?



Mike Anderson




Mac Shut-down Bug

2007-08-27 Thread Michael Anderson
Hey, has anyone had any problems with Lyx freezing up on shut down?   
I've been having trouble with this for a little while.  I'm using Lyx  
1.5.1, on an intel based mac.  This makes me a little nervous as when  
I check my system monitor it shows that the cpu is getting pretty  
toasty and LyX is using about 50-60% of the cpu.  Anybody have any  
thoughts?



Mike Anderson




Mac Shut-down Bug

2007-08-27 Thread Michael Anderson
Hey, has anyone had any problems with Lyx freezing up on shut down?   
I've been having trouble with this for a little while.  I'm using Lyx  
1.5.1, on an intel based mac.  This makes me a little nervous as when  
I check my system monitor it shows that the cpu is getting pretty  
toasty and LyX is using about 50-60% of the cpu.  Anybody have any  
thoughts?



Mike Anderson




Line Numbering

2007-07-31 Thread Michael Anderson
In the past I have received documents back from publishers for final  
editing before publication in an interesting format.  THe document  
basically looks like it would in publication, but all of the lines of  
text are numbered. Is there a formal name for this type draft and is  
there a way to do this with LaTeX code or a particular layout and class?


Mike



Line Numbering

2007-07-31 Thread Michael Anderson
In the past I have received documents back from publishers for final  
editing before publication in an interesting format.  THe document  
basically looks like it would in publication, but all of the lines of  
text are numbered. Is there a formal name for this type draft and is  
there a way to do this with LaTeX code or a particular layout and class?


Mike



Line Numbering

2007-07-31 Thread Michael Anderson
In the past I have received documents back from publishers for final  
editing before publication in an interesting format.  THe document  
basically looks like it would in publication, but all of the lines of  
text are numbered. Is there a formal name for this type draft and is  
there a way to do this with LaTeX code or a particular layout and class?


Mike



RFC: Better name for the wiki page 'LyX for X'

2007-07-22 Thread Michael Anderson
Since LyX and LaTeX both use a play of of the greek X for the last  
letter and sound, why not continue the theme using the greek psi as  
in Ψ-LyX: Lyx for the sciences


Mike Anderson

RFC: Better name for the wiki page 'LyX for X'

2007-07-22 Thread Michael Anderson
Since LyX and LaTeX both use a play of of the greek X for the last  
letter and sound, why not continue the theme using the greek psi as  
in Ψ-LyX: Lyx for the sciences


Mike Anderson

RFC: Better name for the wiki page 'LyX for X'

2007-07-22 Thread Michael Anderson
Since LyX and LaTeX both use a play of of the greek "X" for the last  
letter and sound, why not continue the theme using the greek "psi" as  
in "Ψ-LyX: Lyx for the sciences"


Mike Anderson

Re: feature request

2007-07-19 Thread Michael Anderson
Bugzilla doesn't have anywhere that I can find for enhancement  
requests, and directs me to post the feature request on the mailing  
list.  Should I just do that on the developers list?


Mike 


Re: feature request

2007-07-19 Thread Michael Anderson
Bugzilla doesn't have anywhere that I can find for enhancement  
requests, and directs me to post the feature request on the mailing  
list.  Should I just do that on the developers list?


Mike 


Re: feature request

2007-07-19 Thread Michael Anderson
Bugzilla doesn't have anywhere that I can find for enhancement  
requests, and directs me to post the feature request on the mailing  
list.  Should I just do that on the developers list?


Mike 


feature request

2007-07-18 Thread Michael Anderson
Hey all, I'm not quite sure where to send this, but I have a request  
for a later release of lyx.  I would like to see the same preview  
options that are present for the math palette for the chemistry  
package mhchem.  I'm not sure how many people out there use it, but  
it would be a great addition and time saver for those of us who are  
doing a lot of reaction typesetting. .


Mike Anderson


feature request

2007-07-18 Thread Michael Anderson
Hey all, I'm not quite sure where to send this, but I have a request  
for a later release of lyx.  I would like to see the same preview  
options that are present for the math palette for the chemistry  
package mhchem.  I'm not sure how many people out there use it, but  
it would be a great addition and time saver for those of us who are  
doing a lot of reaction typesetting. .


Mike Anderson


feature request

2007-07-18 Thread Michael Anderson
Hey all, I'm not quite sure where to send this, but I have a request  
for a later release of lyx.  I would like to see the same preview  
options that are present for the math palette for the chemistry  
package mhchem.  I'm not sure how many people out there use it, but  
it would be a great addition and time saver for those of us who are  
doing a lot of reaction typesetting. .


Mike Anderson


Re: Announcement: ConvTex.app

2007-07-17 Thread Michael Anderson
It won't start up on my intel based mac.  I would love this app to  
work as my advisor is digging his heels in on switching to a LaTeX  
based format, so please continue working on it.


Mike Anderson


Re: Announcement: ConvTex.app

2007-07-17 Thread Michael Anderson
It won't start up on my intel based mac.  I would love this app to  
work as my advisor is digging his heels in on switching to a LaTeX  
based format, so please continue working on it.


Mike Anderson


Re: Announcement: ConvTex.app

2007-07-17 Thread Michael Anderson
It won't start up on my intel based mac.  I would love this app to  
work as my advisor is digging his heels in on switching to a LaTeX  
based format, so please continue working on it.


Mike Anderson


Re: Template based style builder tools?

2007-07-09 Thread Michael Anderson

Steve,
	I really can't see why you would want to reduce LaTeX or LyX to a  
competitor to Word.  They are designed for completely different  
purposes and markets.  I also take exception the concept of such a  
comparison, just on the principle they were never intended to be  
anything like one another.
	Lets compare apples to apples here, LaTeX was written for technical  
writing and by its very essence designed to remove the author from  
creating style so the author could focus on the content.  I,  
personally, make no advocacy one way or the other, as it is stated in  
both the mission statements of LyX and LaTeX that their goal is to  
remove this component from those who have no idea what they are doing  
and keep it firmly with those who do.  The learning curve that is  
involved in creating new styles is there for a reason, which is to  
keep things clean and elegant and created only by those who have  
taken the time to learn what it really takes to create beautiful  
documents.  I've been using LaTeX and LyX for years now, and I have  
never found a situation where I couldn't use a little ERT or read the  
existing documentation and get exactly what I want with an existing  
style.  LyX by itself is easy enough to learn that you don't need to  
go around flippantly creating style files.  We shouldn't be lowering  
the learning curve for for those who don't want to learn how to do  
things the right way, but should be actively engaged in teaching the  
proper use and established methods for creating documents.  This is  
where Word went wrong, by making it too easy to change anything you  
want, you generally get crap for a result.  I just can't agree with  
putting the effort into creating something that could open those kind  
of doors.
	I too have done self-publishing, but before I did I spent years  
studying proper page layout and construction as a calligrapher.  To  
be blunt I've seen too much junk put out into the world by those who  
thought that they knew what a proper page style and set up was to  
agree with the implementation of this concept on any level.
	I think that were we are disagreeing here is that you think the  
fault lies exclusively with the software ( Openoffice, Word, etc.),  
this is however not the case.  The fault lies with the people, not  
the software.  When those without experience are give too much  
control over the nuance of typesetting; the software, regardless of  
its quality, is still going to produce a crappy document. I think  
that we should be less interested in trying to automate that which  
for the past (20+) has been left un-automated, and be more interested  
in trying to get people to learn the right way to create beautiful  
type.  Think about it, they could have implemented this idea of yours  
at anytime since LaTeX was written, the technology has always been  
there. (Word has demonstrated this.) And yet, no one has done it.   
Have you taken a second to ask why that is? As I was learning about  
LaTeX, I found that the reasons I've been outlining are the exact  
reason that this has never been implemented.  Take a few minutes and  
read the CTAN articles about how LaTeX and TeX came about. They  
explain this very clearly, the average person (myself included)  
should not be allowed to dictate document style without the proper  
training and study.


Regards

Mike Anderson


Re: Template based style builder tools?

2007-07-09 Thread Michael Anderson
I think that my point was lost in the analogy... My point about the  
calligraphy was that I've taken the time to really learn what makes a  
beautiful document from the study of classical texts and manuscripts  
that are the foundation of the modern typographical rules that govern  
professional publication.  Most people just figure that they can  
learn as they go what makes a good looking document, which is why  
allowing access the the ability to create style files easily is a bad  
idea.  If you don't know what makes a document beautiful, the you  
shouldn't be allowed to create a new style.
	As to Steve's intent, from what I gather, he feels that the problem  
with Word and the like is the software itself.  The software, while  
inferior to LaTeX based publishing methods in every way, is a valid  
form of publishing. If someone has the training to properly create a  
document then the results can be quite acceptable.  The problem is  
not with the software, it is with inexperienced people thinking that  
they can make professional quality documents without putting in the  
time to understand what a professional quality document really  
means.  This lack of education in the general public to publishing  
standards is the root of my argument against making the creation of  
styles easier. If they don't have to take the journey to understand  
what has gone before then they will never learn why things are the  
way they are.  I feel that the coding requirement for creation of a  
new style is a good and effective deterrent from letting just anyone  
get at that vital portion of the LaTeX code.


Mike Anderson

On Jul 9, 2007, at 2:47 PM, Mael Hilléreau wrote:


Le 9 juil. 07 à 21:33, Michael Anderson a écrit :

I'd just like to say a few words on this topic.

I really can't see why you would want to reduce LaTeX or LyX to a  
competitor to Word.


I completely agree with this point of view: LyX use is by essence  
different from Word use. However, ...


I too have done self-publishing, but before I did I spent years  
studying proper page layout and construction as a calligrapher.


Perhaps, what Steve also wants to say is that a good calligrapher  
isn't necessarily a good TeX/LaTeX coder. Don't you think? In this  
perspective, a GUI would allow non coders to write layouts (and  
could also make life easier to coders...). Currently, coders are  
able to write layouts, which doesn't guarantee that they're good  
calligraphers.


However, as such a GUI would be intended for calligraphers, it  
should be kept outside of LyX, IMO.


Mael.






Re: Template based style builder tools?

2007-07-09 Thread Michael Anderson

Steve,
	I really can't see why you would want to reduce LaTeX or LyX to a  
competitor to Word.  They are designed for completely different  
purposes and markets.  I also take exception the concept of such a  
comparison, just on the principle they were never intended to be  
anything like one another.
	Lets compare apples to apples here, LaTeX was written for technical  
writing and by its very essence designed to remove the author from  
creating style so the author could focus on the content.  I,  
personally, make no advocacy one way or the other, as it is stated in  
both the mission statements of LyX and LaTeX that their goal is to  
remove this component from those who have no idea what they are doing  
and keep it firmly with those who do.  The learning curve that is  
involved in creating new styles is there for a reason, which is to  
keep things clean and elegant and created only by those who have  
taken the time to learn what it really takes to create beautiful  
documents.  I've been using LaTeX and LyX for years now, and I have  
never found a situation where I couldn't use a little ERT or read the  
existing documentation and get exactly what I want with an existing  
style.  LyX by itself is easy enough to learn that you don't need to  
go around flippantly creating style files.  We shouldn't be lowering  
the learning curve for for those who don't want to learn how to do  
things the right way, but should be actively engaged in teaching the  
proper use and established methods for creating documents.  This is  
where Word went wrong, by making it too easy to change anything you  
want, you generally get crap for a result.  I just can't agree with  
putting the effort into creating something that could open those kind  
of doors.
	I too have done self-publishing, but before I did I spent years  
studying proper page layout and construction as a calligrapher.  To  
be blunt I've seen too much junk put out into the world by those who  
thought that they knew what a proper page style and set up was to  
agree with the implementation of this concept on any level.
	I think that were we are disagreeing here is that you think the  
fault lies exclusively with the software ( Openoffice, Word, etc.),  
this is however not the case.  The fault lies with the people, not  
the software.  When those without experience are give too much  
control over the nuance of typesetting; the software, regardless of  
its quality, is still going to produce a crappy document. I think  
that we should be less interested in trying to automate that which  
for the past (20+) has been left un-automated, and be more interested  
in trying to get people to learn the right way to create beautiful  
type.  Think about it, they could have implemented this idea of yours  
at anytime since LaTeX was written, the technology has always been  
there. (Word has demonstrated this.) And yet, no one has done it.   
Have you taken a second to ask why that is? As I was learning about  
LaTeX, I found that the reasons I've been outlining are the exact  
reason that this has never been implemented.  Take a few minutes and  
read the CTAN articles about how LaTeX and TeX came about. They  
explain this very clearly, the average person (myself included)  
should not be allowed to dictate document style without the proper  
training and study.


Regards

Mike Anderson


Re: Template based style builder tools?

2007-07-09 Thread Michael Anderson
I think that my point was lost in the analogy... My point about the  
calligraphy was that I've taken the time to really learn what makes a  
beautiful document from the study of classical texts and manuscripts  
that are the foundation of the modern typographical rules that govern  
professional publication.  Most people just figure that they can  
learn as they go what makes a good looking document, which is why  
allowing access the the ability to create style files easily is a bad  
idea.  If you don't know what makes a document beautiful, the you  
shouldn't be allowed to create a new style.
	As to Steve's intent, from what I gather, he feels that the problem  
with Word and the like is the software itself.  The software, while  
inferior to LaTeX based publishing methods in every way, is a valid  
form of publishing. If someone has the training to properly create a  
document then the results can be quite acceptable.  The problem is  
not with the software, it is with inexperienced people thinking that  
they can make professional quality documents without putting in the  
time to understand what a professional quality document really  
means.  This lack of education in the general public to publishing  
standards is the root of my argument against making the creation of  
styles easier. If they don't have to take the journey to understand  
what has gone before then they will never learn why things are the  
way they are.  I feel that the coding requirement for creation of a  
new style is a good and effective deterrent from letting just anyone  
get at that vital portion of the LaTeX code.


Mike Anderson

On Jul 9, 2007, at 2:47 PM, Mael Hilléreau wrote:


Le 9 juil. 07 à 21:33, Michael Anderson a écrit :

I'd just like to say a few words on this topic.

I really can't see why you would want to reduce LaTeX or LyX to a  
competitor to Word.


I completely agree with this point of view: LyX use is by essence  
different from Word use. However, ...


I too have done self-publishing, but before I did I spent years  
studying proper page layout and construction as a calligrapher.


Perhaps, what Steve also wants to say is that a good calligrapher  
isn't necessarily a good TeX/LaTeX coder. Don't you think? In this  
perspective, a GUI would allow non coders to write layouts (and  
could also make life easier to coders...). Currently, coders are  
able to write layouts, which doesn't guarantee that they're good  
calligraphers.


However, as such a GUI would be intended for calligraphers, it  
should be kept outside of LyX, IMO.


Mael.






Re: Template based style builder tools?

2007-07-09 Thread Michael Anderson

Steve,
	I really can't see why you would want to reduce LaTeX or LyX to a  
competitor to Word.  They are designed for completely different  
purposes and markets.  I also take exception the concept of such a  
comparison, just on the principle they were never intended to be  
anything like one another.
	Lets compare apples to apples here, LaTeX was written for technical  
writing and by its very essence designed to remove the author from  
creating style so the author could focus on the content.  I,  
personally, make no advocacy one way or the other, as it is stated in  
both the mission statements of LyX and LaTeX that their goal is to  
remove this component from those who have no idea what they are doing  
and keep it firmly with those who do.  The learning curve that is  
involved in creating new styles is there for a reason, which is to  
keep things clean and elegant and created only by those who have  
taken the time to learn what it really takes to create beautiful  
documents.  I've been using LaTeX and LyX for years now, and I have  
never found a situation where I couldn't use a little ERT or read the  
existing documentation and get exactly what I want with an existing  
style.  LyX by itself is easy enough to learn that you don't need to  
go around flippantly creating style files.  We shouldn't be lowering  
the learning curve for for those who don't want to learn how to do  
things the right way, but should be actively engaged in teaching the  
proper use and established methods for creating documents.  This is  
where Word went wrong, by making it too easy to change anything you  
want, you generally get crap for a result.  I just can't agree with  
putting the effort into creating something that could open those kind  
of doors.
	I too have done self-publishing, but before I did I spent years  
studying proper page layout and construction as a calligrapher.  To  
be blunt I've seen too much junk put out into the world by those who  
thought that they knew what a "proper" page style and set up was to  
agree with the implementation of this concept on any level.
	I think that were we are disagreeing here is that you think the  
fault lies exclusively with the software ( Openoffice, Word, etc.),  
this is however not the case.  The fault lies with the people, not  
the software.  When those without experience are give too much  
control over the nuance of typesetting; the software, regardless of  
its quality, is still going to produce a crappy document. I think  
that we should be less interested in trying to automate that which  
for the past (20+) has been left un-automated, and be more interested  
in trying to get people to learn the right way to create beautiful  
type.  Think about it, they could have implemented this idea of yours  
at anytime since LaTeX was written, the technology has always been  
there. (Word has demonstrated this.) And yet, no one has done it.   
Have you taken a second to ask why that is? As I was learning about  
LaTeX, I found that the reasons I've been outlining are the exact  
reason that this has never been implemented.  Take a few minutes and  
read the CTAN articles about how LaTeX and TeX came about. They  
explain this very clearly, the average person (myself included)  
should not be allowed to dictate document style without the proper  
training and study.


Regards

Mike Anderson


Re: Template based style builder tools?

2007-07-09 Thread Michael Anderson
I think that my point was lost in the analogy... My point about the  
calligraphy was that I've taken the time to really learn what makes a  
beautiful document from the study of classical texts and manuscripts  
that are the foundation of the modern typographical rules that govern  
professional publication.  Most people just figure that they can  
learn as they go what makes a good looking document, which is why  
allowing access the the ability to create style files easily is a bad  
idea.  If you don't know what makes a document beautiful, the you  
shouldn't be allowed to create a new style.
	As to Steve's intent, from what I gather, he feels that the problem  
with Word and the like is the software itself.  The software, while  
inferior to LaTeX based publishing methods in every way, is a valid  
form of publishing. If someone has the training to properly create a  
document then the results can be quite acceptable.  The problem is  
not with the software, it is with inexperienced people thinking that  
they can make professional quality documents without putting in the  
time to understand what a "professional quality" document really  
means.  This lack of education in the general public to publishing  
standards is the root of my argument against making the creation of  
styles easier. If they don't have to take the journey to understand  
what has gone before then they will never learn why things are the  
way they are.  I feel that the "coding" requirement for creation of a  
new style is a good and effective deterrent from letting just anyone  
get at that vital portion of the LaTeX code.


Mike Anderson

On Jul 9, 2007, at 2:47 PM, Mael Hilléreau wrote:


Le 9 juil. 07 à 21:33, Michael Anderson a écrit :

I'd just like to say a few words on this topic.

I really can't see why you would want to reduce LaTeX or LyX to a  
competitor to Word.


I completely agree with this point of view: LyX use is by essence  
different from Word use. However, ...


I too have done self-publishing, but before I did I spent years  
studying proper page layout and construction as a calligrapher.


Perhaps, what Steve also wants to say is that a good calligrapher  
isn't necessarily a good TeX/LaTeX coder. Don't you think? In this  
perspective, a GUI would allow non coders to write layouts (and  
could also make life easier to coders...). Currently, coders are  
able to write layouts, which doesn't guarantee that they're good  
calligraphers.


However, as such a GUI would be intended for calligraphers, it  
should be kept outside of LyX, IMO.


Mael.






Re: Template based style builder tools?

2007-07-08 Thread Michael Anderson
Call me silly, but I thought that the point of LaTeX was to remove  
the author from this kind of formatting and leave that up to the  
pro's.  I don't think that it would be wise to enable just anyone to  
crank out a sty file or layout without understanding the underlying  
architecture of the LyX and LaTeX systems and the reasoning why  
things are the way they are.  I don't think that giving someone with  
minimal experience in the subject the ability to dabble in typography  
is really good idea.  Even LyX requires this kind of implicit  
understanding of LaTeX to do all but the simplest of projects.  I  
don't know about the reset of the community, but before I let LyX do  
anything I make sure that I understand the actual LaTeX code that it  
is generating and how to do the same thing long hand in a LaTeX  
editor before I trust what is going on.  I just don't feel that  
something as critical as styles and layouts should be relegated to  
the same black box status as they are in Word.  If people want to  
make styles and layouts then they should be required to put in the  
work to learn to do it right and why things are done the way they are  
by the pro's.


Mike




Re: Template based style builder tools?

2007-07-08 Thread Michael Anderson
Call me silly, but I thought that the point of LaTeX was to remove  
the author from this kind of formatting and leave that up to the  
pro's.  I don't think that it would be wise to enable just anyone to  
crank out a sty file or layout without understanding the underlying  
architecture of the LyX and LaTeX systems and the reasoning why  
things are the way they are.  I don't think that giving someone with  
minimal experience in the subject the ability to dabble in typography  
is really good idea.  Even LyX requires this kind of implicit  
understanding of LaTeX to do all but the simplest of projects.  I  
don't know about the reset of the community, but before I let LyX do  
anything I make sure that I understand the actual LaTeX code that it  
is generating and how to do the same thing long hand in a LaTeX  
editor before I trust what is going on.  I just don't feel that  
something as critical as styles and layouts should be relegated to  
the same black box status as they are in Word.  If people want to  
make styles and layouts then they should be required to put in the  
work to learn to do it right and why things are done the way they are  
by the pro's.


Mike




Re: Template based style builder tools?

2007-07-08 Thread Michael Anderson
Call me silly, but I thought that the point of LaTeX was to remove  
the author from this kind of formatting and leave that up to the  
pro's.  I don't think that it would be wise to enable just anyone to  
crank out a sty file or layout without understanding the underlying  
architecture of the LyX and LaTeX systems and the reasoning why  
things are the way they are.  I don't think that giving someone with  
minimal experience in the subject the ability to dabble in typography  
is really good idea.  Even LyX requires this kind of implicit  
understanding of LaTeX to do all but the simplest of projects.  I  
don't know about the reset of the community, but before I let LyX do  
anything I make sure that I understand the actual LaTeX code that it  
is generating and how to do the same thing long hand in a LaTeX  
editor before I trust what is going on.  I just don't feel that  
something as critical as styles and layouts should be relegated to  
the same "black box" status as they are in Word.  If people want to  
make styles and layouts then they should be required to put in the  
work to learn to do it right and why things are done the way they are  
by the pro's.


Mike




Re: Class Loading Problem in Lyx 1.5.0rc2

2007-07-05 Thread Michael Anderson
I've been having this problem on the mac as well.  Near as I can tell  
it seems to be caused by Lyx not accepting the tex package lists from  
any directory other than the default texmf.texlive and texmf.  So if  
any packages are installed into the other directories created by  
gwtex (namely texmf.local and texmf.pkgs) then they will not be  
registered.  The quick fix is to get install all your special  
packages to the texmf.texlive directory and then do the texhash, this  
should fix the problem I think that this is a problem with the paths  
(in the Lyx preferences menu) but I have no idea about how to change  
it.  I do feel very strongly that this should be rectified before the  
final release, so we can keep our personal packages in the  
appropriate directories for updating purposes.


Mike Anderson
University of Oregon



Re: Class Loading Problem in Lyx 1.5.0rc2

2007-07-05 Thread Michael Anderson
I do need to use it none the less.  The default for i-installer (when  
the newest updates are applied) is in the folder gwtex, and I don't  
know what is different about that, but it doesn't see anything in  
texmf.pkgs or texmf.local.



Mike Anderson


On Jul 5, 2007, at 6:01 PM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On Jul 5, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Michael Anderson wrote:

I've been having this problem on the mac as well.  Near as I can  
tell it seems to be caused by Lyx not accepting the tex package  
lists from any directory other than the default texmf.texlive and  
texmf.  So if any packages are installed into the other  
directories created by gwtex (namely texmf.local and texmf.pkgs)  
then they will not be registered.  The quick fix is to get install  
all your special packages to the texmf.texlive directory and then  
do the texhash, this should fix the problem I think that this is a  
problem with the paths (in the Lyx preferences menu) but I have no  
idea about how to change it.  I do feel very strongly that this  
should be rectified before the final release, so we can keep our  
personal packages in the appropriate directories for updating  
purposes.


This shouldn't happen if your PATH Prefix (LyX  Preferences   
Paths) is set up properly. The default (on Mac) includes ~/Library/ 
texmf, which will then pick up all packages there, as well as in  
other default tex directories (for texlive, fink, mac ports, and i- 
Installer). You should not have to use your workaround.


Bennett





Re: Class Loading Problem in Lyx 1.5.0rc2

2007-07-05 Thread Michael Anderson
I've been having this problem on the mac as well.  Near as I can tell  
it seems to be caused by Lyx not accepting the tex package lists from  
any directory other than the default texmf.texlive and texmf.  So if  
any packages are installed into the other directories created by  
gwtex (namely texmf.local and texmf.pkgs) then they will not be  
registered.  The quick fix is to get install all your special  
packages to the texmf.texlive directory and then do the texhash, this  
should fix the problem I think that this is a problem with the paths  
(in the Lyx preferences menu) but I have no idea about how to change  
it.  I do feel very strongly that this should be rectified before the  
final release, so we can keep our personal packages in the  
appropriate directories for updating purposes.


Mike Anderson
University of Oregon



Re: Class Loading Problem in Lyx 1.5.0rc2

2007-07-05 Thread Michael Anderson
I do need to use it none the less.  The default for i-installer (when  
the newest updates are applied) is in the folder gwtex, and I don't  
know what is different about that, but it doesn't see anything in  
texmf.pkgs or texmf.local.



Mike Anderson


On Jul 5, 2007, at 6:01 PM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On Jul 5, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Michael Anderson wrote:

I've been having this problem on the mac as well.  Near as I can  
tell it seems to be caused by Lyx not accepting the tex package  
lists from any directory other than the default texmf.texlive and  
texmf.  So if any packages are installed into the other  
directories created by gwtex (namely texmf.local and texmf.pkgs)  
then they will not be registered.  The quick fix is to get install  
all your special packages to the texmf.texlive directory and then  
do the texhash, this should fix the problem I think that this is a  
problem with the paths (in the Lyx preferences menu) but I have no  
idea about how to change it.  I do feel very strongly that this  
should be rectified before the final release, so we can keep our  
personal packages in the appropriate directories for updating  
purposes.


This shouldn't happen if your PATH Prefix (LyX  Preferences   
Paths) is set up properly. The default (on Mac) includes ~/Library/ 
texmf, which will then pick up all packages there, as well as in  
other default tex directories (for texlive, fink, mac ports, and i- 
Installer). You should not have to use your workaround.


Bennett





Re: Class Loading Problem in Lyx 1.5.0rc2

2007-07-05 Thread Michael Anderson
I've been having this problem on the mac as well.  Near as I can tell  
it seems to be caused by Lyx not accepting the tex package lists from  
any directory other than the default texmf.texlive and texmf.  So if  
any packages are installed into the other directories created by  
gwtex (namely texmf.local and texmf.pkgs) then they will not be  
registered.  The quick fix is to get install all your special  
packages to the texmf.texlive directory and then do the texhash, this  
should fix the problem I think that this is a problem with the paths  
(in the Lyx preferences menu) but I have no idea about how to change  
it.  I do feel very strongly that this should be rectified before the  
final release, so we can keep our personal packages in the  
appropriate directories for updating purposes.


Mike Anderson
University of Oregon



Re: Class Loading Problem in Lyx 1.5.0rc2

2007-07-05 Thread Michael Anderson
I do need to use it none the less.  The default for i-installer (when  
the newest updates are applied) is in the folder gwtex, and I don't  
know what is different about that, but it doesn't see anything in  
texmf.pkgs or texmf.local.



Mike Anderson


On Jul 5, 2007, at 6:01 PM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On Jul 5, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Michael Anderson wrote:

I've been having this problem on the mac as well.  Near as I can  
tell it seems to be caused by Lyx not accepting the tex package  
lists from any directory other than the default texmf.texlive and  
texmf.  So if any packages are installed into the other  
directories created by gwtex (namely texmf.local and texmf.pkgs)  
then they will not be registered.  The quick fix is to get install  
all your special packages to the texmf.texlive directory and then  
do the texhash, this should fix the problem I think that this is a  
problem with the paths (in the Lyx preferences menu) but I have no  
idea about how to change it.  I do feel very strongly that this  
should be rectified before the final release, so we can keep our  
personal packages in the appropriate directories for updating  
purposes.


This shouldn't happen if your PATH Prefix (LyX > Preferences >  
Paths) is set up properly. The default (on Mac) includes ~/Library/ 
texmf, which will then pick up all packages there, as well as in  
other default tex directories (for texlive, fink, mac ports, and i- 
Installer). You should not have to use your workaround.


Bennett





Re: LyX/Mac 1.5.0 release candidate 1 posted

2007-06-02 Thread Michael Anderson
Well that did it, the menus are there as they should be, though now  
it won't recognize one of my TeX styles, mhchem.sty. (it may not find  
some of the other ones that I use as well, that is just the first one  
I've noticed.)   According to the TeX information dialog it knows  
that its there, and when the menus were missing it could find the  
package just fine.  Thoughts?


The only customization that I used was the windefault.ui set from the  
wiki.  I've been doing that for quite a while and it hadn't given me  
any grief, though with the major code shift that my not have been the  
best choice.


I just did a little experiment, I went back to my original LyX-1.5  
file, after going into the preferences and changing the ui back to  
default. It works fine and the system will now also pick up my  
packages, so I think that the ui issue lies in importing the  
windefault ui files from the previous release.  Though, that still  
doesn't explain the problem with the extra packages that I use.  Let  
me know what files out of my support file you need to view and I'll  
make them available.  And before anyone asks, the first thing that I  
did when I had this problem was run texhash and reconfigure... and I  
did it a couple of time just to be safe with no result.



Mike Anderson


On Jun 2, 2007, at 5:30 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


Bo Peng wrote:

On 6/1/07, Michael Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

how do you mean?

Lyx uses a $HOME/.lyx to save all sorts of settings. Although I have
never experienced your problem, it is possible that these old  
settings

conflict with the new ones. You can mv .lyx .lyx1 and restart lyx and
see what happens.
Bo


Actually, on Mac the folder is at ~/Library/Application Support/ 
LyX-1.5.  Try moving that out of the way (don't delete it!), and  
restarting as Bo suggests.


We should try to figure out what went wrong for you (which is why I  
said you shouldn't delete that folder). Have you customized .ui  
files, e.g.? Anything else?


Bennett





Re: LyX/Mac 1.5.0 release candidate 1 posted

2007-06-02 Thread Michael Anderson
Well that did it, the menus are there as they should be, though now  
it won't recognize one of my TeX styles, mhchem.sty. (it may not find  
some of the other ones that I use as well, that is just the first one  
I've noticed.)   According to the TeX information dialog it knows  
that its there, and when the menus were missing it could find the  
package just fine.  Thoughts?


The only customization that I used was the windefault.ui set from the  
wiki.  I've been doing that for quite a while and it hadn't given me  
any grief, though with the major code shift that my not have been the  
best choice.


I just did a little experiment, I went back to my original LyX-1.5  
file, after going into the preferences and changing the ui back to  
default. It works fine and the system will now also pick up my  
packages, so I think that the ui issue lies in importing the  
windefault ui files from the previous release.  Though, that still  
doesn't explain the problem with the extra packages that I use.  Let  
me know what files out of my support file you need to view and I'll  
make them available.  And before anyone asks, the first thing that I  
did when I had this problem was run texhash and reconfigure... and I  
did it a couple of time just to be safe with no result.



Mike Anderson


On Jun 2, 2007, at 5:30 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


Bo Peng wrote:

On 6/1/07, Michael Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

how do you mean?

Lyx uses a $HOME/.lyx to save all sorts of settings. Although I have
never experienced your problem, it is possible that these old  
settings

conflict with the new ones. You can mv .lyx .lyx1 and restart lyx and
see what happens.
Bo


Actually, on Mac the folder is at ~/Library/Application Support/ 
LyX-1.5.  Try moving that out of the way (don't delete it!), and  
restarting as Bo suggests.


We should try to figure out what went wrong for you (which is why I  
said you shouldn't delete that folder). Have you customized .ui  
files, e.g.? Anything else?


Bennett





Re: LyX/Mac 1.5.0 release candidate 1 posted

2007-06-02 Thread Michael Anderson
Well that did it, the menus are there as they should be, though now  
it won't recognize one of my TeX styles, mhchem.sty. (it may not find  
some of the other ones that I use as well, that is just the first one  
I've noticed.)   According to the TeX information dialog it knows  
that its there, and when the menus were missing it could find the  
package just fine.  Thoughts?


The only customization that I used was the windefault.ui set from the  
wiki.  I've been doing that for quite a while and it hadn't given me  
any grief, though with the major code shift that my not have been the  
best choice.


I just did a little experiment, I went back to my original LyX-1.5  
file, after going into the preferences and changing the ui back to  
default. It works fine and the system will now also pick up my  
packages, so I think that the ui issue lies in importing the  
windefault ui files from the previous release.  Though, that still  
doesn't explain the problem with the extra packages that I use.  Let  
me know what files out of my support file you need to view and I'll  
make them available.  And before anyone asks, the first thing that I  
did when I had this problem was run texhash and reconfigure... and I  
did it a couple of time just to be safe with no result.



Mike Anderson


On Jun 2, 2007, at 5:30 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


Bo Peng wrote:

On 6/1/07, Michael Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

how do you mean?

Lyx uses a $HOME/.lyx to save all sorts of settings. Although I have
never experienced your problem, it is possible that these old  
settings

conflict with the new ones. You can mv .lyx .lyx1 and restart lyx and
see what happens.
Bo


Actually, on Mac the folder is at ~/Library/Application Support/ 
LyX-1.5.  Try moving that out of the way (don't delete it!), and  
restarting as Bo suggests.


We should try to figure out what went wrong for you (which is why I  
said you shouldn't delete that folder). Have you customized .ui  
files, e.g.? Anything else?


Bennett





LyX/Mac 1.5.0 release candidate 1 posted

2007-06-01 Thread Michael Anderson
An odd little thing happened when I started up the RC1.  In addition  
to only having dvipdfm available for preview, I don't have a single  
menu or tool bar.  The submenus for the toolbars are blank as are a  
number of other submenus.  I'm running an intel mac using i- 
installer, all aspects of which have been recently updated.  Anybody  
else seen this?


Mike Anderson




Re: LyX/Mac 1.5.0 release candidate 1 posted

2007-06-01 Thread Michael Anderson

how do you mean?

Mike Anderson


On Jun 1, 2007, at 7:14 PM, Bo Peng wrote:


On 6/1/07, Michael Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

An odd little thing happened when I started up the RC1.  In addition
to only having dvipdfm available for preview, I don't have a single
menu or tool bar.  The submenus for the toolbars are blank as are a
number of other submenus.  I'm running an intel mac using i-
installer, all aspects of which have been recently updated.  Anybody
else seen this?


No idea, but have you tried to move away your old .lyx directory?

Bo





LyX/Mac 1.5.0 release candidate 1 posted

2007-06-01 Thread Michael Anderson
An odd little thing happened when I started up the RC1.  In addition  
to only having dvipdfm available for preview, I don't have a single  
menu or tool bar.  The submenus for the toolbars are blank as are a  
number of other submenus.  I'm running an intel mac using i- 
installer, all aspects of which have been recently updated.  Anybody  
else seen this?


Mike Anderson




Re: LyX/Mac 1.5.0 release candidate 1 posted

2007-06-01 Thread Michael Anderson

how do you mean?

Mike Anderson


On Jun 1, 2007, at 7:14 PM, Bo Peng wrote:


On 6/1/07, Michael Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

An odd little thing happened when I started up the RC1.  In addition
to only having dvipdfm available for preview, I don't have a single
menu or tool bar.  The submenus for the toolbars are blank as are a
number of other submenus.  I'm running an intel mac using i-
installer, all aspects of which have been recently updated.  Anybody
else seen this?


No idea, but have you tried to move away your old .lyx directory?

Bo





LyX/Mac 1.5.0 release candidate 1 posted

2007-06-01 Thread Michael Anderson
An odd little thing happened when I started up the RC1.  In addition  
to only having dvipdfm available for preview, I don't have a single  
menu or tool bar.  The submenus for the toolbars are blank as are a  
number of other submenus.  I'm running an intel mac using i- 
installer, all aspects of which have been recently updated.  Anybody  
else seen this?


Mike Anderson




Re: LyX/Mac 1.5.0 release candidate 1 posted

2007-06-01 Thread Michael Anderson

how do you mean?

Mike Anderson


On Jun 1, 2007, at 7:14 PM, Bo Peng wrote:


On 6/1/07, Michael Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

An odd little thing happened when I started up the RC1.  In addition
to only having dvipdfm available for preview, I don't have a single
menu or tool bar.  The submenus for the toolbars are blank as are a
number of other submenus.  I'm running an intel mac using i-
installer, all aspects of which have been recently updated.  Anybody
else seen this?


No idea, but have you tried to move away your old .lyx directory?

Bo





Re: error on install mac book pro

2007-05-24 Thread Michael Anderson
Yeah, like I said sorry about sending this to you other account.   
That said, a reconfig and restart doesn't work, that was the first  
thing I tried when the release came out. I've also tried using an  
older latex install that I had handy with the same result.  Is there  
a log file or diagnostic that I can provide a report for that I can  
post for all to see and mull over?


Mike Anderson

Begin forwarded message:


From: Bennett Helm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: May 24, 2007 7:12:39 AM PDT
To: Michael Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: error on install mac book pro
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On May 23, 2007, at 1:48 PM, Michael Anderson wrote:

Sorry for not using the list, but I've been monitoring the lists  
for this exact problem (feel free to post this if you feel so  
inclined) .  I'm running a MBP like the other person with a MacTeX  
install updated to the newest gwtex release.  The report from the  
install is found below, I hope it helps.  Also when I look at the  
latex configuration report it indicates that the entire  
distribution is not recognized, though there is no problem with  
this exact distribution in 1.4.4. (see further below.)


The install report indicates that everything went fine. I suspect  
the only thing you need to do is from within LyX select Tools   
Reconfigure. Then quit LyX and restart. Your TeX installation  
should be properly recognized at this point.


Bennett

P.S.: Please do use the list in the future.



Mike Anderson
Chemistry Department
University of Oregon

Install Report
- 
---


1. Removing obsolete files 
... Done removing obsolete files.

2. Testing to see if old LyX user's folder should be moved to new  
location 
• Old LyX user's folder exists at ~/Library/'Application Support'/ 
LyX-1.4/. This was left untouched because a newer LyX user's  
folder already exists at the new location, ~/Library/'Application  
Support'/LyX-1.5/.

... Done moving LyX user's directory to new location.

3. (No preferences file found at ~/Library/'Application Support'/ 
LyX-1.5/.)


4. Installing default LyX templates 
... Done installing default LyX templates.

5. Installing LaTeX files 
• Found TeX installation at /usr/texbin.
• Local TeX directory set to ~/Library/texmf.
• Will not overwrite preview installation.
• Will not overwrite srcltx installation.
• Installed LyX's additional LaTeX .cls and .sty files.
• TeX installation updated.
... Done.







Re: error on install mac book pro

2007-05-24 Thread Michael Anderson

Not sure what you mean by the path here is what it is currently.

/usr/texbin:/usr/local/gwTeX/bin/powerpc-apple-darwin-current:/usr/ 
local/gwTeX/bin/i386-apple-darwin-current:/usr/local/teTeX/bin/ 
powerpc-apple-darwin-current:/usr/local/teTeX/bin/i386-apple-darwin- 
current:/sw/bin:/sw/sbin:/opt/local/teTeX/bin:/opt/local/bin:/usr/ 
local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin


Also, how does one monitor the reconfig in the console?

Mike

On May 24, 2007, at 8:55 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On May 24, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Michael Anderson wrote:

Yeah, like I said sorry about sending this to you other account.   
That said, a reconfig and restart doesn't work, that was the first  
thing I tried when the release came out. I've also tried using an  
older latex install that I had handy with the same result.  Is  
there a log file or diagnostic that I can provide a report for  
that I can post for all to see and mull over?


Do you have the path to your LaTeX installation included in PATH  
Prefix setting (LyX  Preferences  Paths)?


If that's not the issue, reconfigure LyX, and look at the results  
that get spit out to the Console.


Bennett





Re: error on install mac book pro

2007-05-24 Thread Michael Anderson
okay, now its working (though it is completely inexplicable.) but now  
it won't find my special style files (like mhchem.sty which is put  
into everywhere that I can think to put it for LaTeX to find it.)   
any thoughts on this problem.  Again, it still works fine with 1.4.4.


Mike


On May 24, 2007, at 9:03 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On May 24, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Michael Anderson wrote:


Not sure what you mean by the path here is what it is currently.

/usr/texbin:/usr/local/gwTeX/bin/powerpc-apple-darwin-current:/usr/ 
local/gwTeX/bin/i386-apple-darwin-current:/usr/local/teTeX/bin/ 
powerpc-apple-darwin-current:/usr/local/teTeX/bin/i386-apple- 
darwin-current:/sw/bin:/sw/sbin:/opt/local/teTeX/bin:/opt/local/ 
bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin


That all looks fine -- for both MacTeX and gwtex.


Also, how does one monitor the reconfig in the console?


/Applications/Utilities/Console.app.

Bennett





Re: error on install mac book pro

2007-05-24 Thread Michael Anderson

There was no difference that I am aware of.

Mike

On May 24, 2007, at 9:39 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On May 24, 2007, at 12:30 PM, Michael Anderson wrote:

okay, now its working (though it is completely inexplicable.) but  
now it won't find my special style files (like mhchem.sty which is  
put into everywhere that I can think to put it for LaTeX to find  
it.)  any thoughts on this problem.  Again, it still works fine  
with 1.4.4.


It would help to know what changed -- what you did -- in between  
its not working and its now working.


LyX doesn't know about most special style files unless told about  
them explicitly. See Help  Customization, Chapter 5. (Whether your  
style file is available for use in ERT or the Preamble is a matter  
of whether LaTeX can find it, not LyX.)


Bennett





Re: error on install mac book pro

2007-05-24 Thread Michael Anderson
Yeah, like I said sorry about sending this to you other account.   
That said, a reconfig and restart doesn't work, that was the first  
thing I tried when the release came out. I've also tried using an  
older latex install that I had handy with the same result.  Is there  
a log file or diagnostic that I can provide a report for that I can  
post for all to see and mull over?


Mike Anderson

Begin forwarded message:


From: Bennett Helm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: May 24, 2007 7:12:39 AM PDT
To: Michael Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: error on install mac book pro
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On May 23, 2007, at 1:48 PM, Michael Anderson wrote:

Sorry for not using the list, but I've been monitoring the lists  
for this exact problem (feel free to post this if you feel so  
inclined) .  I'm running a MBP like the other person with a MacTeX  
install updated to the newest gwtex release.  The report from the  
install is found below, I hope it helps.  Also when I look at the  
latex configuration report it indicates that the entire  
distribution is not recognized, though there is no problem with  
this exact distribution in 1.4.4. (see further below.)


The install report indicates that everything went fine. I suspect  
the only thing you need to do is from within LyX select Tools   
Reconfigure. Then quit LyX and restart. Your TeX installation  
should be properly recognized at this point.


Bennett

P.S.: Please do use the list in the future.



Mike Anderson
Chemistry Department
University of Oregon

Install Report
- 
---


1. Removing obsolete files 
... Done removing obsolete files.

2. Testing to see if old LyX user's folder should be moved to new  
location 
• Old LyX user's folder exists at ~/Library/'Application Support'/ 
LyX-1.4/. This was left untouched because a newer LyX user's  
folder already exists at the new location, ~/Library/'Application  
Support'/LyX-1.5/.

... Done moving LyX user's directory to new location.

3. (No preferences file found at ~/Library/'Application Support'/ 
LyX-1.5/.)


4. Installing default LyX templates 
... Done installing default LyX templates.

5. Installing LaTeX files 
• Found TeX installation at /usr/texbin.
• Local TeX directory set to ~/Library/texmf.
• Will not overwrite preview installation.
• Will not overwrite srcltx installation.
• Installed LyX's additional LaTeX .cls and .sty files.
• TeX installation updated.
... Done.







Re: error on install mac book pro

2007-05-24 Thread Michael Anderson

Not sure what you mean by the path here is what it is currently.

/usr/texbin:/usr/local/gwTeX/bin/powerpc-apple-darwin-current:/usr/ 
local/gwTeX/bin/i386-apple-darwin-current:/usr/local/teTeX/bin/ 
powerpc-apple-darwin-current:/usr/local/teTeX/bin/i386-apple-darwin- 
current:/sw/bin:/sw/sbin:/opt/local/teTeX/bin:/opt/local/bin:/usr/ 
local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin


Also, how does one monitor the reconfig in the console?

Mike

On May 24, 2007, at 8:55 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On May 24, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Michael Anderson wrote:

Yeah, like I said sorry about sending this to you other account.   
That said, a reconfig and restart doesn't work, that was the first  
thing I tried when the release came out. I've also tried using an  
older latex install that I had handy with the same result.  Is  
there a log file or diagnostic that I can provide a report for  
that I can post for all to see and mull over?


Do you have the path to your LaTeX installation included in PATH  
Prefix setting (LyX  Preferences  Paths)?


If that's not the issue, reconfigure LyX, and look at the results  
that get spit out to the Console.


Bennett





Re: error on install mac book pro

2007-05-24 Thread Michael Anderson
okay, now its working (though it is completely inexplicable.) but now  
it won't find my special style files (like mhchem.sty which is put  
into everywhere that I can think to put it for LaTeX to find it.)   
any thoughts on this problem.  Again, it still works fine with 1.4.4.


Mike


On May 24, 2007, at 9:03 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On May 24, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Michael Anderson wrote:


Not sure what you mean by the path here is what it is currently.

/usr/texbin:/usr/local/gwTeX/bin/powerpc-apple-darwin-current:/usr/ 
local/gwTeX/bin/i386-apple-darwin-current:/usr/local/teTeX/bin/ 
powerpc-apple-darwin-current:/usr/local/teTeX/bin/i386-apple- 
darwin-current:/sw/bin:/sw/sbin:/opt/local/teTeX/bin:/opt/local/ 
bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin


That all looks fine -- for both MacTeX and gwtex.


Also, how does one monitor the reconfig in the console?


/Applications/Utilities/Console.app.

Bennett





Re: error on install mac book pro

2007-05-24 Thread Michael Anderson

There was no difference that I am aware of.

Mike

On May 24, 2007, at 9:39 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On May 24, 2007, at 12:30 PM, Michael Anderson wrote:

okay, now its working (though it is completely inexplicable.) but  
now it won't find my special style files (like mhchem.sty which is  
put into everywhere that I can think to put it for LaTeX to find  
it.)  any thoughts on this problem.  Again, it still works fine  
with 1.4.4.


It would help to know what changed -- what you did -- in between  
its not working and its now working.


LyX doesn't know about most special style files unless told about  
them explicitly. See Help  Customization, Chapter 5. (Whether your  
style file is available for use in ERT or the Preamble is a matter  
of whether LaTeX can find it, not LyX.)


Bennett





Re: error on install mac book pro

2007-05-24 Thread Michael Anderson
Yeah, like I said sorry about sending this to you other account.   
That said, a reconfig and restart doesn't work, that was the first  
thing I tried when the release came out. I've also tried using an  
older latex install that I had handy with the same result.  Is there  
a log file or diagnostic that I can provide a report for that I can  
post for all to see and mull over?


Mike Anderson

Begin forwarded message:


From: Bennett Helm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: May 24, 2007 7:12:39 AM PDT
To: Michael Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: error on install mac book pro
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On May 23, 2007, at 1:48 PM, Michael Anderson wrote:

Sorry for not using the list, but I've been monitoring the lists  
for this exact problem (feel free to post this if you feel so  
inclined) .  I'm running a MBP like the other person with a MacTeX  
install updated to the newest gwtex release.  The report from the  
install is found below, I hope it helps.  Also when I look at the  
latex configuration report it indicates that the entire  
distribution is not recognized, though there is no problem with  
this exact distribution in 1.4.4. (see further below.)


The install report indicates that everything went fine. I suspect  
the only thing you need to do is from within LyX select Tools >  
Reconfigure. Then quit LyX and restart. Your TeX installation  
should be properly recognized at this point.


Bennett

P.S.: Please do use the list in the future.



Mike Anderson
Chemistry Department
University of Oregon

Install Report
- 
---


1. Removing obsolete files 
... Done removing obsolete files.

2. Testing to see if old LyX user's folder should be moved to new  
location 
• Old LyX user's folder exists at ~/Library/'Application Support'/ 
LyX-1.4/. This was left untouched because a newer LyX user's  
folder already exists at the new location, ~/Library/'Application  
Support'/LyX-1.5/.

... Done moving LyX user's directory to new location.

3. (No preferences file found at ~/Library/'Application Support'/ 
LyX-1.5/.)


4. Installing default LyX templates 
... Done installing default LyX templates.

5. Installing LaTeX files 
• Found TeX installation at /usr/texbin.
• Local TeX directory set to ~/Library/texmf.
• Will not overwrite preview installation.
• Will not overwrite srcltx installation.
• Installed LyX's additional LaTeX .cls and .sty files.
• TeX installation updated.
... Done.







Re: error on install mac book pro

2007-05-24 Thread Michael Anderson

Not sure what you mean by the path here is what it is currently.

/usr/texbin:/usr/local/gwTeX/bin/powerpc-apple-darwin-current:/usr/ 
local/gwTeX/bin/i386-apple-darwin-current:/usr/local/teTeX/bin/ 
powerpc-apple-darwin-current:/usr/local/teTeX/bin/i386-apple-darwin- 
current:/sw/bin:/sw/sbin:/opt/local/teTeX/bin:/opt/local/bin:/usr/ 
local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin


Also, how does one monitor the reconfig in the console?

Mike

On May 24, 2007, at 8:55 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On May 24, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Michael Anderson wrote:

Yeah, like I said sorry about sending this to you other account.   
That said, a reconfig and restart doesn't work, that was the first  
thing I tried when the release came out. I've also tried using an  
older latex install that I had handy with the same result.  Is  
there a log file or diagnostic that I can provide a report for  
that I can post for all to see and mull over?


Do you have the path to your LaTeX installation included in PATH  
Prefix setting (LyX > Preferences > Paths)?


If that's not the issue, reconfigure LyX, and look at the results  
that get spit out to the Console.


Bennett





Re: error on install mac book pro

2007-05-24 Thread Michael Anderson
okay, now its working (though it is completely inexplicable.) but now  
it won't find my special style files (like mhchem.sty which is put  
into everywhere that I can think to put it for LaTeX to find it.)   
any thoughts on this problem.  Again, it still works fine with 1.4.4.


Mike


On May 24, 2007, at 9:03 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On May 24, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Michael Anderson wrote:


Not sure what you mean by the path here is what it is currently.

/usr/texbin:/usr/local/gwTeX/bin/powerpc-apple-darwin-current:/usr/ 
local/gwTeX/bin/i386-apple-darwin-current:/usr/local/teTeX/bin/ 
powerpc-apple-darwin-current:/usr/local/teTeX/bin/i386-apple- 
darwin-current:/sw/bin:/sw/sbin:/opt/local/teTeX/bin:/opt/local/ 
bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin


That all looks fine -- for both MacTeX and gwtex.


Also, how does one monitor the reconfig in the console?


/Applications/Utilities/Console.app.

Bennett





Re: error on install mac book pro

2007-05-24 Thread Michael Anderson

There was no difference that I am aware of.

Mike

On May 24, 2007, at 9:39 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On May 24, 2007, at 12:30 PM, Michael Anderson wrote:

okay, now its working (though it is completely inexplicable.) but  
now it won't find my special style files (like mhchem.sty which is  
put into everywhere that I can think to put it for LaTeX to find  
it.)  any thoughts on this problem.  Again, it still works fine  
with 1.4.4.


It would help to know what changed -- what you did -- in between  
its not working and its now working.


LyX doesn't know about most special style files unless told about  
them explicitly. See Help > Customization, Chapter 5. (Whether your  
style file is available for use in ERT or the Preamble is a matter  
of whether LaTeX can find it, not LyX.)


Bennett