Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
On Jan 14, 2008 11:18 AM, rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard I've been running KDE under Fedora using the special, more up-to-date KDE rpms from the kde-redhat repo. Seems better to me. $ cat /etc/yum.repos.d/kde.repo # kde.repo, v2.0 [kde] name=kde mirrorlist=http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/fedora/mirrors-stable gpgkey=http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/kde-redhat.RPM-GPG-KEY #gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-kde-redhat enabled=1 [kde-all] name=kde-all mirrorlist=http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/all/stable/mirrors gpgkey=http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/kde-redhat.RPM-GPG-KEY #gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-kde-redhat enabled=1 For more information, and the full repo info, http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/ I don't run the kde-4 yet because it is still in their testing, but if you are a gambler, I'd say go for it! -- Paul E. Johnson Professor, Political Science 1541 Lilac Lane, Room 504 University of Kansas
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
On Jan 14, 2008 11:18 AM, rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard I've been running KDE under Fedora using the special, more up-to-date KDE rpms from the kde-redhat repo. Seems better to me. $ cat /etc/yum.repos.d/kde.repo # kde.repo, v2.0 [kde] name=kde mirrorlist=http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/fedora/mirrors-stable gpgkey=http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/kde-redhat.RPM-GPG-KEY #gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-kde-redhat enabled=1 [kde-all] name=kde-all mirrorlist=http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/all/stable/mirrors gpgkey=http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/kde-redhat.RPM-GPG-KEY #gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-kde-redhat enabled=1 For more information, and the full repo info, http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/ I don't run the kde-4 yet because it is still in their testing, but if you are a gambler, I'd say go for it! -- Paul E. Johnson Professor, Political Science 1541 Lilac Lane, Room 504 University of Kansas
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
On Jan 14, 2008 11:18 AM, rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the > second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm > thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is > for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be > quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? > > Richard > > I've been running KDE under Fedora using the special, more up-to-date KDE rpms from the kde-redhat repo. Seems better to me. $ cat /etc/yum.repos.d/kde.repo # kde.repo, v2.0 [kde] name=kde mirrorlist=http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/fedora/mirrors-stable gpgkey=http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/kde-redhat.RPM-GPG-KEY #gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-kde-redhat enabled=1 [kde-all] name=kde-all mirrorlist=http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/all/stable/mirrors gpgkey=http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/kde-redhat.RPM-GPG-KEY #gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-kde-redhat enabled=1 For more information, and the full repo info, http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/ I don't run the kde-4 yet because it is still in their testing, but if you are a gambler, I'd say go for it! -- Paul E. Johnson Professor, Political Science 1541 Lilac Lane, Room 504 University of Kansas
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
Charles de Miramon wrote: rgheck wrote: Debian Etch. [snip] Thanks for the suggestion. I've thought about Debian, and it has a great reputation for stability. That said, while I don't want to be absolutely bleeding edge, I do like to be near it, and Debian at least has a reputation for being, well, stable. Just looking at the packages, it looks like Lyx 1.4.3 is the most recent in etch. It looks as if lenny has 1.5.2, but even that's out of date, and, as you say, that's not yet ready. So, well, I'm still looking. Richard Debian unstable (that I use) has 1.5.3. Unstable is not so unstable because most big transformations happens in experimental. I run a mix of debian unstable and debian testing. Testing is more stable, as stuff in unstable migrate to testing only when it had 2 weeks in unstable without getting bug reports. So testing is mostly up to date, althoug bugs sometimes holds up stuff. In those cases I sometimes install the unstable stuff anyway, if the bug in question doesn't bother me. You can set up debian so it fetches software packages from both testing and unstable (and experimental, if you dare), and give testing priority. You can then get packages from unstable or experimental by explicitly asking for the higher version numbers for those. You may track stable too, it is then possible to revert troublesome packages back to known good status. Helge Hafting
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
Charles de Miramon wrote: rgheck wrote: Debian Etch. [snip] Thanks for the suggestion. I've thought about Debian, and it has a great reputation for stability. That said, while I don't want to be absolutely bleeding edge, I do like to be near it, and Debian at least has a reputation for being, well, stable. Just looking at the packages, it looks like Lyx 1.4.3 is the most recent in etch. It looks as if lenny has 1.5.2, but even that's out of date, and, as you say, that's not yet ready. So, well, I'm still looking. Richard Debian unstable (that I use) has 1.5.3. Unstable is not so unstable because most big transformations happens in experimental. I run a mix of debian unstable and debian testing. Testing is more stable, as stuff in unstable migrate to testing only when it had 2 weeks in unstable without getting bug reports. So testing is mostly up to date, althoug bugs sometimes holds up stuff. In those cases I sometimes install the unstable stuff anyway, if the bug in question doesn't bother me. You can set up debian so it fetches software packages from both testing and unstable (and experimental, if you dare), and give testing priority. You can then get packages from unstable or experimental by explicitly asking for the higher version numbers for those. You may track stable too, it is then possible to revert troublesome packages back to known good status. Helge Hafting
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
Charles de Miramon wrote: rgheck wrote: Debian Etch. [snip] Thanks for the suggestion. I've thought about Debian, and it has a great reputation for stability. That said, while I don't want to be absolutely bleeding edge, I do like to be near it, and Debian at least has a reputation for being, well, stable. Just looking at the packages, it looks like Lyx 1.4.3 is the most recent in etch. It looks as if lenny has 1.5.2, but even that's out of date, and, as you say, that's not yet ready. So, well, I'm still looking. Richard Debian unstable (that I use) has 1.5.3. Unstable is not so unstable because most big transformations happens in "experimental". I run a mix of debian unstable and debian testing. Testing is more stable, as stuff in unstable migrate to testing only when it had 2 weeks in unstable without getting bug reports. So testing is mostly up to date, althoug bugs sometimes holds up stuff. In those cases I sometimes install the unstable stuff anyway, if the bug in question doesn't bother me. You can set up debian so it fetches software packages from both testing and unstable (and experimental, if you dare), and give "testing" priority. You can then get packages from unstable or experimental by explicitly asking for the higher version numbers for those. You may track "stable" too, it is then possible to revert troublesome packages back to known good status. Helge Hafting
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
José Matos wrote: A frontend of lyx better integrated with kde seems a nice idea. :-) The Semantic framework Nepomuk is quite interesting (but very new). You can store and search all kind of relations, like a) This paragraph used this webpage as a source b) this graphic comes this file which was send by Mr. Foo etc. It creates an OS wide annotation system based on standards and it would nice to integrate it with LyX at some point/ Cheers, Charles -- http://www.kde-france.org
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 09:04:43PM +, José Matos wrote: On Monday 14 January 2008 17:46:02 Steve Litt wrote: IIRC the Mandriva 2007 I use defaults to KDE and has lots and lots of KDE programs (I'm writing this on kmail), but my hatred of KDE is so profound that my first step was to switch to IceWM, and my second step was to find non-KDE substitutes for as many KDE programs as I could. With all the due respect :-) but this hate seems a bit irrational. :-) André (out mathed - mathematical editor - guru) still uses fvwm with 16 desktops open, at least according to a recent message. I met him before and I have witness this so it seems that you are in good company. :-) But I use KDE at work, even more or less voluntarily. It's my fervent hope that LyX never becomes a KDE program. Qt is OK, but IMHO KDE programs have too many needless interactions with other programs (like dcop server, gimme a break), needlessly causing crashiness and other problems. dcop is no more in kde 4, long live dbus. :-) And there's even dbus in Qt 4.4. Andre'
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
José Matos wrote: A frontend of lyx better integrated with kde seems a nice idea. :-) The Semantic framework Nepomuk is quite interesting (but very new). You can store and search all kind of relations, like a) This paragraph used this webpage as a source b) this graphic comes this file which was send by Mr. Foo etc. It creates an OS wide annotation system based on standards and it would nice to integrate it with LyX at some point/ Cheers, Charles -- http://www.kde-france.org
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 09:04:43PM +, José Matos wrote: On Monday 14 January 2008 17:46:02 Steve Litt wrote: IIRC the Mandriva 2007 I use defaults to KDE and has lots and lots of KDE programs (I'm writing this on kmail), but my hatred of KDE is so profound that my first step was to switch to IceWM, and my second step was to find non-KDE substitutes for as many KDE programs as I could. With all the due respect :-) but this hate seems a bit irrational. :-) André (out mathed - mathematical editor - guru) still uses fvwm with 16 desktops open, at least according to a recent message. I met him before and I have witness this so it seems that you are in good company. :-) But I use KDE at work, even more or less voluntarily. It's my fervent hope that LyX never becomes a KDE program. Qt is OK, but IMHO KDE programs have too many needless interactions with other programs (like dcop server, gimme a break), needlessly causing crashiness and other problems. dcop is no more in kde 4, long live dbus. :-) And there's even dbus in Qt 4.4. Andre'
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
José Matos wrote: > A frontend of lyx better integrated with kde seems a nice idea. :-) > The Semantic framework Nepomuk is quite interesting (but very new). You can store and search all kind of relations, like a) This paragraph used this webpage as a source b) this graphic comes this file which was send by Mr. Foo etc. It creates an OS wide annotation system based on standards and it would nice to integrate it with LyX at some point/ Cheers, Charles -- http://www.kde-france.org
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 09:04:43PM +, José Matos wrote: > On Monday 14 January 2008 17:46:02 Steve Litt wrote: > > > > IIRC the Mandriva 2007 I use defaults to KDE and has lots and lots of KDE > > programs (I'm writing this on kmail), but my hatred of KDE is so profound > > that my first step was to switch to IceWM, and my second step was to find > > non-KDE substitutes for as many KDE programs as I could. > > With all the due respect :-) but this hate seems a bit irrational. :-) > > André (out mathed - mathematical editor - guru) still uses fvwm with 16 > desktops open, at least according to a recent message. I met him before and I > have witness this so it seems that you are in good company. :-) But I use KDE at work, even more or less voluntarily. > > It's my fervent hope that LyX never becomes a KDE program. Qt is OK, but > > IMHO KDE programs have too many needless interactions with other programs > > (like dcop server, gimme a break), needlessly causing crashiness and other > > problems. > > dcop is no more in kde 4, long live dbus. :-) And there's even dbus in Qt 4.4. Andre'
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
rgheck wrote: Debian Etch. [snip] Thanks for the suggestion. I've thought about Debian, and it has a great reputation for stability. That said, while I don't want to be absolutely bleeding edge, I do like to be near it, and Debian at least has a reputation for being, well, stable. Just looking at the packages, it looks like Lyx 1.4.3 is the most recent in etch. It looks as if lenny has 1.5.2, but even that's out of date, and, as you say, that's not yet ready. So, well, I'm still looking. Richard Debian unstable (that I use) has 1.5.3. Unstable is not so unstable because most big transformations happens in experimental. The pro of Debian unstable is : - extensive set of packages - good reliable command line package management and a lot of scripts to create your own packages - once you install it, you just upgrade. No need to spend a week-end every 6 months , reinstalling a new distribution - Good KDE packages The cons : - The Debian community is sometimes obnoxious - Website, wiki, information, help is beyond Ubuntu, Mandriva, etc. quality. Finding you way is complex - The installer is better than it was but still rather primitive - You will have to tinker for configuration Cheers, Charles -- http://www.kde-france.org
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or how long it takes to compile LyX... :-) [*] [*] Seriously, I'm probably interested in the specs and what compile time you got when using e.g. two or three of the cores. But this is maybe better suited for the devel list. Actually, I'm still a newbie when it comes to multi-core and don't even know how to enable compilation on multiple cores. It seems to use only one core at a time. If you want to tell me how to enable that, I'll tell you what times I'm getting. But I'll tell you, I can develop a lot faster than I could before, and do it while doing other things. Richard
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
On Jan 14, 2008 8:56 PM, rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Lounsbury wrote: On Jan 14, 2008 10:18 AM, rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard My vote is Slackware. [snip] Thanks. I'd not even have thought of Slackware, but it may well be the right distro for me. The learning about Linux part is what attracts me to Gentoo---I don't think I'm quite ready for Linux from Scratch---but having to compile dang near everything...I'm not sure I want to go that route. rh Just to clarify, I hope you're not thinking Slackware is similar to Linux from Scratch because it's not. Slackware is a fully compiled distro, just install it, choose kde, and go to work (took me 20min to install it). I also wanted to point out that some will complain that Slackware does not track dependencies. The great thing about this is that in general there aren't additional dependencies needed in Slackware like in other distros. As an example, you said you regularly compile Qt4 yourself to install LyX 1.6.svn, I just installed Aiksaurus, Qt4-4.3.3, and LyX 1.5.3 without needing any additional dependencies. Most of the libraries are already built into Slackware. Good luck with the search. /Bob
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
On Tuesday 15 January 2008 13:14:45 rgheck wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or how long it takes to compile LyX... :-) [*] [*] Seriously, I'm probably interested in the specs and what compile time you got when using e.g. two or three of the cores. But this is maybe better suited for the devel list. Actually, I'm still a newbie when it comes to multi-core and don't even know how to enable compilation on multiple cores. It seems to use only one core at a time. If you want to tell me how to enable that, I'll tell you what times I'm getting. But I'll tell you, I can develop a lot faster than I could before, and do it while doing other things. make -j 4 $ man make ... -j [jobs], --jobs[=jobs] Specifies the number of jobs (commands) to run simultaneously. Richard -- José Abílio
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
On Monday 14 January 2008 17:46:02 Steve Litt wrote: IIRC the Mandriva 2007 I use defaults to KDE and has lots and lots of KDE programs (I'm writing this on kmail), but my hatred of KDE is so profound that my first step was to switch to IceWM, and my second step was to find non-KDE substitutes for as many KDE programs as I could. With all the due respect :-) but this hate seems a bit irrational. :-) André (out mathed - mathematical editor - guru) still uses fvwm with 16 desktops open, at least according to a recent message. I met him before and I have witness this so it seems that you are in good company. :-) It's my fervent hope that LyX never becomes a KDE program. Qt is OK, but IMHO KDE programs have too many needless interactions with other programs (like dcop server, gimme a break), needlessly causing crashiness and other problems. dcop is no more in kde 4, long live dbus. :-) Georg Baum tried before to build a kde frontend to lyx (that shared lots of code with the qt frontend), that would live at the same time with the qt frontend like we had before an xforms frontend. A frontend of lyx better integrated with kde seems a nice idea. :-) I can understand though some of the frustration with kde 3, kde 4 shows a lot of promisses and good ideas. I have been working with it in rawhide (pre Fedora 9) and like it a lot while some of the ideas seems solid (no pun intended). SteveT Steve Litt Books written in LyX: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting Troubleshooting: Just the Facts -- José Abílio
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
At the moment, I'm using Linux Mint, although there are a few nagging problems but no apparent show-stoppers on my HP laptop. However, I'm definitely looking forward to KDE4, now that it's out. From what I've seen, it should permit some outstanding integration with much reduced confusion from multiple libraries and such--as well as make easy use of additional KDE/QT4 resources in many kinds of programs. I think about the time that KDE4.1 is out--probably in six months or so as I understand it--there'll be many additional improvements from the basic 4.0 level. One outstanding advantage is smaller resource use, too, so it won't be such a resource hog as the 3.5.x series has been. I do think KDE is much better programmatically than Gnome, though, even before the switch to the 4.0 level. However, I'm going to continue trying various other distros--and this thread has gotten me quite intrigued with a revisit to Slackware after many years away. Thanks! David On Jan 15, 2008 3:04 PM, José Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Georg Baum tried before to build a kde frontend to lyx (that shared lots of code with the qt frontend), that would live at the same time with the qt frontend like we had before an xforms frontend. A frontend of lyx better integrated with kde seems a nice idea. :-)
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
rgheck wrote: Debian Etch. [snip] Thanks for the suggestion. I've thought about Debian, and it has a great reputation for stability. That said, while I don't want to be absolutely bleeding edge, I do like to be near it, and Debian at least has a reputation for being, well, stable. Just looking at the packages, it looks like Lyx 1.4.3 is the most recent in etch. It looks as if lenny has 1.5.2, but even that's out of date, and, as you say, that's not yet ready. So, well, I'm still looking. Richard Debian unstable (that I use) has 1.5.3. Unstable is not so unstable because most big transformations happens in experimental. The pro of Debian unstable is : - extensive set of packages - good reliable command line package management and a lot of scripts to create your own packages - once you install it, you just upgrade. No need to spend a week-end every 6 months , reinstalling a new distribution - Good KDE packages The cons : - The Debian community is sometimes obnoxious - Website, wiki, information, help is beyond Ubuntu, Mandriva, etc. quality. Finding you way is complex - The installer is better than it was but still rather primitive - You will have to tinker for configuration Cheers, Charles -- http://www.kde-france.org
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or how long it takes to compile LyX... :-) [*] [*] Seriously, I'm probably interested in the specs and what compile time you got when using e.g. two or three of the cores. But this is maybe better suited for the devel list. Actually, I'm still a newbie when it comes to multi-core and don't even know how to enable compilation on multiple cores. It seems to use only one core at a time. If you want to tell me how to enable that, I'll tell you what times I'm getting. But I'll tell you, I can develop a lot faster than I could before, and do it while doing other things. Richard
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
On Jan 14, 2008 8:56 PM, rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Lounsbury wrote: On Jan 14, 2008 10:18 AM, rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard My vote is Slackware. [snip] Thanks. I'd not even have thought of Slackware, but it may well be the right distro for me. The learning about Linux part is what attracts me to Gentoo---I don't think I'm quite ready for Linux from Scratch---but having to compile dang near everything...I'm not sure I want to go that route. rh Just to clarify, I hope you're not thinking Slackware is similar to Linux from Scratch because it's not. Slackware is a fully compiled distro, just install it, choose kde, and go to work (took me 20min to install it). I also wanted to point out that some will complain that Slackware does not track dependencies. The great thing about this is that in general there aren't additional dependencies needed in Slackware like in other distros. As an example, you said you regularly compile Qt4 yourself to install LyX 1.6.svn, I just installed Aiksaurus, Qt4-4.3.3, and LyX 1.5.3 without needing any additional dependencies. Most of the libraries are already built into Slackware. Good luck with the search. /Bob
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
On Tuesday 15 January 2008 13:14:45 rgheck wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or how long it takes to compile LyX... :-) [*] [*] Seriously, I'm probably interested in the specs and what compile time you got when using e.g. two or three of the cores. But this is maybe better suited for the devel list. Actually, I'm still a newbie when it comes to multi-core and don't even know how to enable compilation on multiple cores. It seems to use only one core at a time. If you want to tell me how to enable that, I'll tell you what times I'm getting. But I'll tell you, I can develop a lot faster than I could before, and do it while doing other things. make -j 4 $ man make ... -j [jobs], --jobs[=jobs] Specifies the number of jobs (commands) to run simultaneously. Richard -- José Abílio
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
On Monday 14 January 2008 17:46:02 Steve Litt wrote: IIRC the Mandriva 2007 I use defaults to KDE and has lots and lots of KDE programs (I'm writing this on kmail), but my hatred of KDE is so profound that my first step was to switch to IceWM, and my second step was to find non-KDE substitutes for as many KDE programs as I could. With all the due respect :-) but this hate seems a bit irrational. :-) André (out mathed - mathematical editor - guru) still uses fvwm with 16 desktops open, at least according to a recent message. I met him before and I have witness this so it seems that you are in good company. :-) It's my fervent hope that LyX never becomes a KDE program. Qt is OK, but IMHO KDE programs have too many needless interactions with other programs (like dcop server, gimme a break), needlessly causing crashiness and other problems. dcop is no more in kde 4, long live dbus. :-) Georg Baum tried before to build a kde frontend to lyx (that shared lots of code with the qt frontend), that would live at the same time with the qt frontend like we had before an xforms frontend. A frontend of lyx better integrated with kde seems a nice idea. :-) I can understand though some of the frustration with kde 3, kde 4 shows a lot of promisses and good ideas. I have been working with it in rawhide (pre Fedora 9) and like it a lot while some of the ideas seems solid (no pun intended). SteveT Steve Litt Books written in LyX: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting Troubleshooting: Just the Facts -- José Abílio
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
At the moment, I'm using Linux Mint, although there are a few nagging problems but no apparent show-stoppers on my HP laptop. However, I'm definitely looking forward to KDE4, now that it's out. From what I've seen, it should permit some outstanding integration with much reduced confusion from multiple libraries and such--as well as make easy use of additional KDE/QT4 resources in many kinds of programs. I think about the time that KDE4.1 is out--probably in six months or so as I understand it--there'll be many additional improvements from the basic 4.0 level. One outstanding advantage is smaller resource use, too, so it won't be such a resource hog as the 3.5.x series has been. I do think KDE is much better programmatically than Gnome, though, even before the switch to the 4.0 level. However, I'm going to continue trying various other distros--and this thread has gotten me quite intrigued with a revisit to Slackware after many years away. Thanks! David On Jan 15, 2008 3:04 PM, José Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Georg Baum tried before to build a kde frontend to lyx (that shared lots of code with the qt frontend), that would live at the same time with the qt frontend like we had before an xforms frontend. A frontend of lyx better integrated with kde seems a nice idea. :-)
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
rgheck wrote: > Debian Etch. >> >> [snip] > Thanks for the suggestion. I've thought about Debian, and it has a great > reputation for stability. That said, while I don't want to be absolutely > bleeding edge, I do like to be near it, and Debian at least has a > reputation for being, well, stable. Just looking at the packages, it > looks like Lyx 1.4.3 is the most recent in etch. It looks as if lenny > has 1.5.2, but even that's out of date, and, as you say, that's not yet > ready. So, well, I'm still looking. > > Richard Debian unstable (that I use) has 1.5.3. Unstable is not so unstable because most big transformations happens in "experimental". The pro of Debian unstable is : - extensive set of packages - good reliable command line package management and a lot of scripts to create your own packages - once you install it, you just upgrade. No need to spend a week-end every 6 months , reinstalling a new distribution - Good KDE packages The cons : - The Debian community is sometimes obnoxious - Website, wiki, information, help is beyond Ubuntu, Mandriva, etc. quality. Finding you way is complex - The installer is better than it was but still rather primitive - You will have to tinker for configuration Cheers, Charles -- http://www.kde-france.org
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or how long it takes to compile LyX... :-) [*] [*] Seriously, I'm probably interested in the specs and what compile time you got when using e.g. two or three of the cores. But this is maybe better suited for the devel list. Actually, I'm still a newbie when it comes to multi-core and don't even know how to enable compilation on multiple cores. It seems to use only one core at a time. If you want to tell me how to enable that, I'll tell you what times I'm getting. But I'll tell you, I can develop a lot faster than I could before, and do it while doing other things. Richard
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
On Jan 14, 2008 8:56 PM, rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bob Lounsbury wrote: > > On Jan 14, 2008 10:18 AM, rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the > >> second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm > >> thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is > >> for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be > >> quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? > >> > >> Richard > >> > > > > My vote is Slackware. [snip] > Thanks. I'd not even have thought of Slackware, but it may well be the > right distro for me. The "learning about Linux" part is what attracts me > to Gentoo---I don't think I'm quite ready for Linux from Scratch---but > having to compile dang near everything...I'm not sure I want to go that > route. > > rh Just to clarify, I hope you're not thinking Slackware is similar to Linux from Scratch because it's not. Slackware is a fully compiled distro, just install it, choose kde, and go to work (took me 20min to install it). I also wanted to point out that some will complain that Slackware does not track dependencies. The great thing about this is that in general there aren't additional dependencies needed in Slackware like in other distros. As an example, you said you regularly compile Qt4 yourself to install LyX 1.6.svn, I just installed Aiksaurus, Qt4-4.3.3, and LyX 1.5.3 without needing any "additional" dependencies. Most of the libraries are already built into Slackware. Good luck with the search. /Bob
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On Tuesday 15 January 2008 13:14:45 rgheck wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Or how long it takes to compile LyX... :-) [*] > > > > [*] Seriously, I'm probably interested in the specs and what compile > > time you got when using e.g. two or three of the cores. But this is > > maybe better suited for the devel list. > > Actually, I'm still a newbie when it comes to multi-core and don't even > know how to enable compilation on multiple cores. It seems to use only > one core at a time. If you want to tell me how to enable that, I'll tell > you what times I'm getting. But I'll tell you, I can develop a lot > faster than I could before, and do it while doing other things. make -j 4 $ man make ... -j [jobs], --jobs[=jobs] Specifies the number of jobs (commands) to run simultaneously. > Richard -- José Abílio
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On Monday 14 January 2008 17:46:02 Steve Litt wrote: > > IIRC the Mandriva 2007 I use defaults to KDE and has lots and lots of KDE > programs (I'm writing this on kmail), but my hatred of KDE is so profound > that my first step was to switch to IceWM, and my second step was to find > non-KDE substitutes for as many KDE programs as I could. With all the due respect :-) but this hate seems a bit irrational. :-) André (out mathed - mathematical editor - guru) still uses fvwm with 16 desktops open, at least according to a recent message. I met him before and I have witness this so it seems that you are in good company. :-) > It's my fervent hope that LyX never becomes a KDE program. Qt is OK, but > IMHO KDE programs have too many needless interactions with other programs > (like dcop server, gimme a break), needlessly causing crashiness and other > problems. dcop is no more in kde 4, long live dbus. :-) Georg Baum tried before to build a kde frontend to lyx (that shared lots of code with the qt frontend), that would live at the same time with the qt frontend like we had before an xforms frontend. A frontend of lyx better integrated with kde seems a nice idea. :-) I can understand though some of the frustration with kde 3, kde 4 shows a lot of promisses and good ideas. I have been working with it in rawhide (pre Fedora 9) and like it a lot while some of the ideas seems solid (no pun intended). > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Books written in LyX: > Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist > Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting > Troubleshooting: Just the Facts -- José Abílio
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At the moment, I'm using Linux Mint, although there are a few nagging problems but no apparent show-stoppers on my HP laptop. However, I'm definitely looking forward to KDE4, now that it's out. From what I've seen, it should permit some outstanding integration with much reduced confusion from multiple libraries and such--as well as make easy use of additional KDE/QT4 resources in many kinds of programs. I think about the time that KDE4.1 is out--probably in six months or so as I understand it--there'll be many additional improvements from the basic 4.0 level. One outstanding advantage is smaller resource use, too, so it won't be such a resource hog as the 3.5.x series has been. I do think KDE is much better programmatically than Gnome, though, even before the switch to the 4.0 level. However, I'm going to continue trying various other distros--and this thread has gotten me quite intrigued with a revisit to Slackware after many years away. Thanks! David On Jan 15, 2008 3:04 PM, José Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Georg Baum tried before to build a kde frontend to lyx (that shared lots > of > code with the qt frontend), that would live at the same time with the qt > frontend like we had before an xforms frontend. > > A frontend of lyx better integrated with kde seems a nice idea. :-)
[OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard
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On 1/14/08, rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? My first steps on Linux were with Mandrake. It is - at least was some two years ago - quite KDE centered, while Gnome was second choice. It was OK, but after some time KDE got to me and I switched to Xfce, on Gentoo. As for KDE on Gentoo as an option, get you processor ready for compiling time ;). Liviu
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thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Why ever not? \d -- Truth in matters of religion is simply the opinion that has survived. -- Oscar Wilde Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/
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On Monday 14 January 2008 17:18:05 rgheck wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? What problems are you having? Rex Dieter, the fedora maintainer of lyx and of kde-redhat fame is very responsive and most of the perceived differences are gone. Actually I prefer the Fedora model for KDE for some reasons that I will not go into detail here... :-) Richard -- José Abílio
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Liviu Andronic wrote: On 1/14/08, rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? My first steps on Linux were with Mandrake. It is - at least was some two years ago - quite KDE centered, while Gnome was second choice. It was OK, but after some time KDE got to me and I switched to Xfce, on Gentoo. As for KDE on Gentoo as an option, get you processor ready for compiling time ;). Yeah, I know. But I've got a new quad-core monster sitting here, just waiting for something to do. Unfortunately, I can't get gentoo to install under kvm. Otherwise, I'd devote a processor to it and check it out that way. Richard
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Donn wrote: thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Why ever not? Well, I tried it on a laptop a while ago, and it kept crashing. That'd be the main thing. Richard
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On Monday 14 January 2008 12:18, rgheck wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard Knoppix boots up into KDE, and they have a DVD version. Besides being a live disc, it's easily installable onto your hard disk. IIRC the Mandriva 2007 I use defaults to KDE and has lots and lots of KDE programs (I'm writing this on kmail), but my hatred of KDE is so profound that my first step was to switch to IceWM, and my second step was to find non-KDE substitutes for as many KDE programs as I could. It's my fervent hope that LyX never becomes a KDE program. Qt is OK, but IMHO KDE programs have too many needless interactions with other programs (like dcop server, gimme a break), needlessly causing crashiness and other problems. SteveT Steve Litt Books written in LyX: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting Troubleshooting: Just the Facts
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Donn wrote: Well, I tried it on a laptop a while ago, and it kept crashing. That'd be the main thing. Ah, I think you'll suffer on laptops in general -- unless you get one of the newer ones that come with some kind of Gnu/Linux these days. I have been using Kubuntu for almost 4 years, but still can't get anything installed on our Toshiba laptop. If you have a 'desktop' machine, I can't say enough nice things about Kubuntu. Perhaps I'll give it a try on my desktop. (I suppose I could also just try debian.) But I prefer to have the same thing on all my machines, and I run Fedora on three different laptops---a Linux Certified and two Sonys---with only minor problems even on the very newest Sony: I had to compile the wireless driver from source. Richard
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Well, I tried it on a laptop a while ago, and it kept crashing. That'd be the main thing. Ah, I think you'll suffer on laptops in general -- unless you get one of the newer ones that come with some kind of Gnu/Linux these days. I have been using Kubuntu for almost 4 years, but still can't get anything installed on our Toshiba laptop. If you have a 'desktop' machine, I can't say enough nice things about Kubuntu. \d -- When you allow legends to rule your life, your world is based on fiction -- Segio Aragones (Groo the Wanderer Number 99) Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/
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José Matos wrote: On Monday 14 January 2008 17:18:05 rgheck wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? What problems are you having? Rex Dieter, the fedora maintainer of lyx and of kde-redhat fame is very responsive and most of the perceived differences are gone. Actually I prefer the Fedora model for KDE for some reasons that I will not go into detail here... :-) I've talked to Rex about much of this, and pay attention to the kde-redhat list. Lately, it has to do with kio_audiocd grabbing exclusive locks and messing up my attempts to use shell-scripts to copy (my own!) CDs. This seems to be due to a Fedora patch to cdrdao, if I remember right, one that causes problems for kio_audiocd. The patch was presumably created by someone who wasn't paying attention to KDE. And I'm having other problems, too, that have nothing to do with KDE, so that's leading me to think I should look around. Richard
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On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 12:18:05PM -0500, rgheck wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? I am running Kubuntu at work. It seems to do the job. [I am the fvwm2-with-16-virtual-screens-used-as-xterm-multiplexer kind of person, so I usually don't care too much for 'integrated desktops'] Andre'
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On Monday 14 January 2008 11:18, rgheck wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard Richard, For various reasons I have found myself using four different Linux distributions at the moment: Gentoo (with KDE), Suse 10.1 (with KDE), RHEL3 (with KDE) and Ubuntu (with Gnome). I haven't tried Kubuntu, but I have found Ubuntu generally satisfactory and trouble free. I like Gentoo, but getting things to work properly is sometimes very time-consuming. Things that just just work in Ubuntu or Suse sometimes take a lot of fiddling to get running in Gentoo. On the other hand, the things that you just give up on in the other distributions can usually be made to work (often quite easily) with Gentoo. I wouldn't recommend Suse because I've come across some annoying things that don't seem to have a fix -- such as frequently disallowing graphical logins except by root, until you log in as root and then log out again. We only use RHEL3 because we use some proprietory software that only runs on that release -- it's archaic, and doesn't support a lot of recent software or a lot of new hardware. Les
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, rgheck shared this with us all: --} --} I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the --} second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm --} thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is --} for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be --} quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? --} --} Richard --} --} Debian Etch. I have Debian Etch/stable installed on some desktop machines in an Internet Kiosk I have something to do with, and I wouldn't try to put anything Linux in front of the windows accustomed public without KDE. It works a treat they are amazed they are using Linux when informed of this. It makes more work for me because they then ask if they could install it on their computers, but I digress. You will have to use Debian backports to have something a little more up to date if required. But then Debian Lenny/testing doesn't have a lot problems but couldn't be described as completely stable all the time. I run Linux Debian Lenny/testing on two Acer lappys and Linux Debian Etch/stable on another, my with me all the time machine, a Toshie lappy with only 64MB RAM and 10GB hard drive Though on this I don't run KDE and only version 1.4 lyx. Might be the way to go? Or not? Be well, Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 ** There is no rule more invariable than that we are paid for our suspicions by finding what we suspect. ...Henry David Thoreau Debian - Just the best way to do magic.
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On Jan 14, 2008 10:18 AM, rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard My vote is Slackware. It is arguably one of the most stable distributions available and it is the oldest distribution still actively maintained. It's not going to hold your hand like Kubuntu or have graphical configuration tools for everything, but it's not very difficult to learn how to set it up. Trust me! If I can set it up, you can. It's not as hard as people try to claim it is. Here's a very very good guide to setting up Slackware (Did I say very good guide? Yes, very good): http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_slackware12. What I've really found is that I LOVE being in control of my system and knowing what is going on and how to change it. Slackware is very configurable and what I've heard before is this: Once you learn Debian you know Debian, once you learn Slackware you know Linux. I've tried Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Fedora, Debian, PCLinuxOS, OpenSuse, Mint, Gentoo, Red Hat, and Mepis (and probably a few others, I don't remember now). The reasons I really like Slackware are simple: stability, speed, things just work. I'm sure everyone will agree that Slackware is more difficult to get setup and you need to know a little bit about linux, but once it's done, it's done and you can get to work and never worry about crashes. Another reason I really like it is that you can install the default Slackware system which I would consider to be comparable to Debian Stable and then through http://slackbuilds.org/ (my personal favorite) you can install the latest software, which would be like Debain Unstable but without the issues that sometimes arise by trying Debian unstable software on a stable system. I don't want to get into any distro flame wars here, I'm just saying this is another reason why I prefer Slackware. Anyways, that's just my opinion as everyone has given theirs. I'm just glade so many people are using linux. Cheers, /Bob
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On January 14, 2008 12:18:05 rgheck wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard I vote for Gentoo. If you've got a quad-core, then give it something to sink its teeth into (I'd love to know how long the openoffice compile would be)! just my $.02 -- William Seager University of Toronto Scarborough www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~seager
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M-L wrote: On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, rgheck shared this with us all: --} --} I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the --} second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm --} thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is --} for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be --} quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? --} --} Richard --} --} Debian Etch. [snip] Thanks for the suggestion. I've thought about Debian, and it has a great reputation for stability. That said, while I don't want to be absolutely bleeding edge, I do like to be near it, and Debian at least has a reputation for being, well, stable. Just looking at the packages, it looks like Lyx 1.4.3 is the most recent in etch. It looks as if lenny has 1.5.2, but even that's out of date, and, as you say, that's not yet ready. So, well, I'm still looking. Richard
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William Seager wrote: On January 14, 2008 12:18:05 rgheck wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard I vote for Gentoo. If you've got a quad-core, then give it something to sink its teeth into (I'd love to know how long the openoffice compile would be)! Thanks. It is eminently configurable rh
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Bob Lounsbury wrote: On Jan 14, 2008 10:18 AM, rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard My vote is Slackware. [snip] Thanks. I'd not even have thought of Slackware, but it may well be the right distro for me. The learning about Linux part is what attracts me to Gentoo---I don't think I'm quite ready for Linux from Scratch---but having to compile dang near everything...I'm not sure I want to go that route. rh
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On 1/15/08, rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vote is Slackware. [snip] Thanks. I'd not even have thought of Slackware, but it may well be the right distro for me. The learning about Linux part is what attracts me to Gentoo---I don't think I'm quite ready for Linux from Scratch---but having to compile dang near everything...I'm not sure I want to go that route. Well, you can always install binaries on Gentoo [1]. Never tried, but my guess is that it should work fine. And installing from the LiveCD also goes through binaries (or at least so it was about two years ago). Liviu [1] http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Using_PORTAGE_BINHOST
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:55:29 -0500 rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: M-L wrote: On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, rgheck shared this with us all: --} --} I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the --} second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm --} thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is --} for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be --} quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? --} --} Richard --} --} Debian Etch. [snip] Thanks for the suggestion. I've thought about Debian, and it has a great reputation for stability. That said, while I don't want to be absolutely bleeding edge, I do like to be near it, and Debian at least has a reputation for being, well, stable. Just looking at the packages, it looks like Lyx 1.4.3 is the most recent in etch. It looks as if lenny has 1.5.2, but even that's out of date, and, as you say, that's not yet ready. So, well, I'm still looking. I use Debian Etch, and it is rock solid. I tried Lenny for a while, but I don't need that much updating on my regular work machine. Lyx 1.5.3 compiled with not a single glitch, so if that is all you are worried about, don't. Alan Richard
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I'm using sidux (based on Debian unstable) and have been since it branched off of Kanotix. It's easily stable enough for my everyday use, and yet things like the latest LyX are available quite quickly from repositories (and there's nothing stopping one from downloading and installing from the latest development snapshots). The Debian LyX maintainer generally gets versions out to the repositories within a week of a new release. I started out using Mandrake for my linux, then moved to Mepis and SUSE (and have tried the BSDs and source-oriented distros such as SourceMage and Gentoo), and have pretty much settled on Debian for its stability and huge package selection. /* Down with categorical imperative! [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ - Original Message From: rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:55:29 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution? M-L wrote: On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, rgheck shared this with us all: --} --} I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the --} second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm --} thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is --} for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be --} quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? --} --} Richard --} --} Debian Etch. [snip] Thanks for the suggestion. I've thought about Debian, and it has a great reputation for stability. That said, while I don't want to be absolutely bleeding edge, I do like to be near it, and Debian at least has a reputation for being, well, stable. Just looking at the packages, it looks like Lyx 1.4.3 is the most recent in etch. It looks as if lenny has 1.5.2, but even that's out of date, and, as you say, that's not yet ready. So, well, I'm still looking. Richard Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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rgheck wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard After reading all the posts, I have to leave my comment... I am realy wondering, why only one person mentioned OpenSuSE. I am using OpenSuse 10.2 on two computers, one using xfce and the other one fluxbox and enlightenment. I used kde earlier, but switched because of the overhang, but that is a bifferent story. KDE is working very nicely on OpenSuse, the distro is stable, you get binaries for most of essentially all programms you need (well - the common ones) and it is everything on one DVD, so no network connection is needed for the install, including most of the software. I really like OpenSuSE and I would recommend it if you are looking for KDE-centric distro. Rainer
[OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard
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On 1/14/08, rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? My first steps on Linux were with Mandrake. It is - at least was some two years ago - quite KDE centered, while Gnome was second choice. It was OK, but after some time KDE got to me and I switched to Xfce, on Gentoo. As for KDE on Gentoo as an option, get you processor ready for compiling time ;). Liviu
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thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Why ever not? \d -- Truth in matters of religion is simply the opinion that has survived. -- Oscar Wilde Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/
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On Monday 14 January 2008 17:18:05 rgheck wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? What problems are you having? Rex Dieter, the fedora maintainer of lyx and of kde-redhat fame is very responsive and most of the perceived differences are gone. Actually I prefer the Fedora model for KDE for some reasons that I will not go into detail here... :-) Richard -- José Abílio
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Liviu Andronic wrote: On 1/14/08, rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? My first steps on Linux were with Mandrake. It is - at least was some two years ago - quite KDE centered, while Gnome was second choice. It was OK, but after some time KDE got to me and I switched to Xfce, on Gentoo. As for KDE on Gentoo as an option, get you processor ready for compiling time ;). Yeah, I know. But I've got a new quad-core monster sitting here, just waiting for something to do. Unfortunately, I can't get gentoo to install under kvm. Otherwise, I'd devote a processor to it and check it out that way. Richard
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Donn wrote: thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Why ever not? Well, I tried it on a laptop a while ago, and it kept crashing. That'd be the main thing. Richard
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On Monday 14 January 2008 12:18, rgheck wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard Knoppix boots up into KDE, and they have a DVD version. Besides being a live disc, it's easily installable onto your hard disk. IIRC the Mandriva 2007 I use defaults to KDE and has lots and lots of KDE programs (I'm writing this on kmail), but my hatred of KDE is so profound that my first step was to switch to IceWM, and my second step was to find non-KDE substitutes for as many KDE programs as I could. It's my fervent hope that LyX never becomes a KDE program. Qt is OK, but IMHO KDE programs have too many needless interactions with other programs (like dcop server, gimme a break), needlessly causing crashiness and other problems. SteveT Steve Litt Books written in LyX: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting Troubleshooting: Just the Facts
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Donn wrote: Well, I tried it on a laptop a while ago, and it kept crashing. That'd be the main thing. Ah, I think you'll suffer on laptops in general -- unless you get one of the newer ones that come with some kind of Gnu/Linux these days. I have been using Kubuntu for almost 4 years, but still can't get anything installed on our Toshiba laptop. If you have a 'desktop' machine, I can't say enough nice things about Kubuntu. Perhaps I'll give it a try on my desktop. (I suppose I could also just try debian.) But I prefer to have the same thing on all my machines, and I run Fedora on three different laptops---a Linux Certified and two Sonys---with only minor problems even on the very newest Sony: I had to compile the wireless driver from source. Richard
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Well, I tried it on a laptop a while ago, and it kept crashing. That'd be the main thing. Ah, I think you'll suffer on laptops in general -- unless you get one of the newer ones that come with some kind of Gnu/Linux these days. I have been using Kubuntu for almost 4 years, but still can't get anything installed on our Toshiba laptop. If you have a 'desktop' machine, I can't say enough nice things about Kubuntu. \d -- When you allow legends to rule your life, your world is based on fiction -- Segio Aragones (Groo the Wanderer Number 99) Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/
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José Matos wrote: On Monday 14 January 2008 17:18:05 rgheck wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? What problems are you having? Rex Dieter, the fedora maintainer of lyx and of kde-redhat fame is very responsive and most of the perceived differences are gone. Actually I prefer the Fedora model for KDE for some reasons that I will not go into detail here... :-) I've talked to Rex about much of this, and pay attention to the kde-redhat list. Lately, it has to do with kio_audiocd grabbing exclusive locks and messing up my attempts to use shell-scripts to copy (my own!) CDs. This seems to be due to a Fedora patch to cdrdao, if I remember right, one that causes problems for kio_audiocd. The patch was presumably created by someone who wasn't paying attention to KDE. And I'm having other problems, too, that have nothing to do with KDE, so that's leading me to think I should look around. Richard
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On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 12:18:05PM -0500, rgheck wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? I am running Kubuntu at work. It seems to do the job. [I am the fvwm2-with-16-virtual-screens-used-as-xterm-multiplexer kind of person, so I usually don't care too much for 'integrated desktops'] Andre'
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On Monday 14 January 2008 11:18, rgheck wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard Richard, For various reasons I have found myself using four different Linux distributions at the moment: Gentoo (with KDE), Suse 10.1 (with KDE), RHEL3 (with KDE) and Ubuntu (with Gnome). I haven't tried Kubuntu, but I have found Ubuntu generally satisfactory and trouble free. I like Gentoo, but getting things to work properly is sometimes very time-consuming. Things that just just work in Ubuntu or Suse sometimes take a lot of fiddling to get running in Gentoo. On the other hand, the things that you just give up on in the other distributions can usually be made to work (often quite easily) with Gentoo. I wouldn't recommend Suse because I've come across some annoying things that don't seem to have a fix -- such as frequently disallowing graphical logins except by root, until you log in as root and then log out again. We only use RHEL3 because we use some proprietory software that only runs on that release -- it's archaic, and doesn't support a lot of recent software or a lot of new hardware. Les
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, rgheck shared this with us all: --} --} I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the --} second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm --} thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is --} for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be --} quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? --} --} Richard --} --} Debian Etch. I have Debian Etch/stable installed on some desktop machines in an Internet Kiosk I have something to do with, and I wouldn't try to put anything Linux in front of the windows accustomed public without KDE. It works a treat they are amazed they are using Linux when informed of this. It makes more work for me because they then ask if they could install it on their computers, but I digress. You will have to use Debian backports to have something a little more up to date if required. But then Debian Lenny/testing doesn't have a lot problems but couldn't be described as completely stable all the time. I run Linux Debian Lenny/testing on two Acer lappys and Linux Debian Etch/stable on another, my with me all the time machine, a Toshie lappy with only 64MB RAM and 10GB hard drive Though on this I don't run KDE and only version 1.4 lyx. Might be the way to go? Or not? Be well, Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 ** There is no rule more invariable than that we are paid for our suspicions by finding what we suspect. ...Henry David Thoreau Debian - Just the best way to do magic.
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On Jan 14, 2008 10:18 AM, rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard My vote is Slackware. It is arguably one of the most stable distributions available and it is the oldest distribution still actively maintained. It's not going to hold your hand like Kubuntu or have graphical configuration tools for everything, but it's not very difficult to learn how to set it up. Trust me! If I can set it up, you can. It's not as hard as people try to claim it is. Here's a very very good guide to setting up Slackware (Did I say very good guide? Yes, very good): http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_slackware12. What I've really found is that I LOVE being in control of my system and knowing what is going on and how to change it. Slackware is very configurable and what I've heard before is this: Once you learn Debian you know Debian, once you learn Slackware you know Linux. I've tried Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Fedora, Debian, PCLinuxOS, OpenSuse, Mint, Gentoo, Red Hat, and Mepis (and probably a few others, I don't remember now). The reasons I really like Slackware are simple: stability, speed, things just work. I'm sure everyone will agree that Slackware is more difficult to get setup and you need to know a little bit about linux, but once it's done, it's done and you can get to work and never worry about crashes. Another reason I really like it is that you can install the default Slackware system which I would consider to be comparable to Debian Stable and then through http://slackbuilds.org/ (my personal favorite) you can install the latest software, which would be like Debain Unstable but without the issues that sometimes arise by trying Debian unstable software on a stable system. I don't want to get into any distro flame wars here, I'm just saying this is another reason why I prefer Slackware. Anyways, that's just my opinion as everyone has given theirs. I'm just glade so many people are using linux. Cheers, /Bob
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On January 14, 2008 12:18:05 rgheck wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard I vote for Gentoo. If you've got a quad-core, then give it something to sink its teeth into (I'd love to know how long the openoffice compile would be)! just my $.02 -- William Seager University of Toronto Scarborough www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~seager
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M-L wrote: On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, rgheck shared this with us all: --} --} I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the --} second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm --} thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is --} for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be --} quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? --} --} Richard --} --} Debian Etch. [snip] Thanks for the suggestion. I've thought about Debian, and it has a great reputation for stability. That said, while I don't want to be absolutely bleeding edge, I do like to be near it, and Debian at least has a reputation for being, well, stable. Just looking at the packages, it looks like Lyx 1.4.3 is the most recent in etch. It looks as if lenny has 1.5.2, but even that's out of date, and, as you say, that's not yet ready. So, well, I'm still looking. Richard
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William Seager wrote: On January 14, 2008 12:18:05 rgheck wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard I vote for Gentoo. If you've got a quad-core, then give it something to sink its teeth into (I'd love to know how long the openoffice compile would be)! Thanks. It is eminently configurable rh
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Bob Lounsbury wrote: On Jan 14, 2008 10:18 AM, rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard My vote is Slackware. [snip] Thanks. I'd not even have thought of Slackware, but it may well be the right distro for me. The learning about Linux part is what attracts me to Gentoo---I don't think I'm quite ready for Linux from Scratch---but having to compile dang near everything...I'm not sure I want to go that route. rh
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On 1/15/08, rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vote is Slackware. [snip] Thanks. I'd not even have thought of Slackware, but it may well be the right distro for me. The learning about Linux part is what attracts me to Gentoo---I don't think I'm quite ready for Linux from Scratch---but having to compile dang near everything...I'm not sure I want to go that route. Well, you can always install binaries on Gentoo [1]. Never tried, but my guess is that it should work fine. And installing from the LiveCD also goes through binaries (or at least so it was about two years ago). Liviu [1] http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Using_PORTAGE_BINHOST
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:55:29 -0500 rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: M-L wrote: On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, rgheck shared this with us all: --} --} I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the --} second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm --} thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is --} for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be --} quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? --} --} Richard --} --} Debian Etch. [snip] Thanks for the suggestion. I've thought about Debian, and it has a great reputation for stability. That said, while I don't want to be absolutely bleeding edge, I do like to be near it, and Debian at least has a reputation for being, well, stable. Just looking at the packages, it looks like Lyx 1.4.3 is the most recent in etch. It looks as if lenny has 1.5.2, but even that's out of date, and, as you say, that's not yet ready. So, well, I'm still looking. I use Debian Etch, and it is rock solid. I tried Lenny for a while, but I don't need that much updating on my regular work machine. Lyx 1.5.3 compiled with not a single glitch, so if that is all you are worried about, don't. Alan Richard
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I'm using sidux (based on Debian unstable) and have been since it branched off of Kanotix. It's easily stable enough for my everyday use, and yet things like the latest LyX are available quite quickly from repositories (and there's nothing stopping one from downloading and installing from the latest development snapshots). The Debian LyX maintainer generally gets versions out to the repositories within a week of a new release. I started out using Mandrake for my linux, then moved to Mepis and SUSE (and have tried the BSDs and source-oriented distros such as SourceMage and Gentoo), and have pretty much settled on Debian for its stability and huge package selection. /* Down with categorical imperative! [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ - Original Message From: rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:55:29 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution? M-L wrote: On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, rgheck shared this with us all: --} --} I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the --} second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm --} thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is --} for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be --} quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? --} --} Richard --} --} Debian Etch. [snip] Thanks for the suggestion. I've thought about Debian, and it has a great reputation for stability. That said, while I don't want to be absolutely bleeding edge, I do like to be near it, and Debian at least has a reputation for being, well, stable. Just looking at the packages, it looks like Lyx 1.4.3 is the most recent in etch. It looks as if lenny has 1.5.2, but even that's out of date, and, as you say, that's not yet ready. So, well, I'm still looking. Richard Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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rgheck wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard After reading all the posts, I have to leave my comment... I am realy wondering, why only one person mentioned OpenSuSE. I am using OpenSuse 10.2 on two computers, one using xfce and the other one fluxbox and enlightenment. I used kde earlier, but switched because of the overhang, but that is a bifferent story. KDE is working very nicely on OpenSuse, the distro is stable, you get binaries for most of essentially all programms you need (well - the common ones) and it is everything on one DVD, so no network connection is needed for the install, including most of the software. I really like OpenSuSE and I would recommend it if you are looking for KDE-centric distro. Rainer
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I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard
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On 1/14/08, rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the > second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm > thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is > for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be > quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? My first steps on Linux were with Mandrake. It is - at least was some two years ago - quite KDE centered, while Gnome was "second choice". It was OK, but after some time KDE got to me and I switched to Xfce, on Gentoo. As for KDE on Gentoo as an option, get you processor ready for compiling time ;). Liviu
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> thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is > for me. Why ever not? \d -- Truth in matters of religion is simply the opinion that has survived. -- Oscar Wilde Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/
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On Monday 14 January 2008 17:18:05 rgheck wrote: > I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the > second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm > thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is > for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be > quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? What problems are you having? Rex Dieter, the fedora maintainer of lyx and of kde-redhat fame is very responsive and most of the perceived differences are gone. Actually I prefer the Fedora model for KDE for some reasons that I will not go into detail here... :-) > Richard -- José Abílio
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Liviu Andronic wrote: On 1/14/08, rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? My first steps on Linux were with Mandrake. It is - at least was some two years ago - quite KDE centered, while Gnome was "second choice". It was OK, but after some time KDE got to me and I switched to Xfce, on Gentoo. As for KDE on Gentoo as an option, get you processor ready for compiling time ;). Yeah, I know. But I've got a new quad-core monster sitting here, just waiting for something to do. Unfortunately, I can't get gentoo to install under kvm. Otherwise, I'd devote a processor to it and check it out that way. Richard
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Donn wrote: thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Why ever not? Well, I tried it on a laptop a while ago, and it kept crashing. That'd be the main thing. Richard
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On Monday 14 January 2008 12:18, rgheck wrote: > I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the > second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm > thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is > for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be > quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? > > Richard Knoppix boots up into KDE, and they have a DVD version. Besides being a live disc, it's easily installable onto your hard disk. IIRC the Mandriva 2007 I use defaults to KDE and has lots and lots of KDE programs (I'm writing this on kmail), but my hatred of KDE is so profound that my first step was to switch to IceWM, and my second step was to find non-KDE substitutes for as many KDE programs as I could. It's my fervent hope that LyX never becomes a KDE program. Qt is OK, but IMHO KDE programs have too many needless interactions with other programs (like dcop server, gimme a break), needlessly causing crashiness and other problems. SteveT Steve Litt Books written in LyX: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting Troubleshooting: Just the Facts
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Donn wrote: Well, I tried it on a laptop a while ago, and it kept crashing. That'd be the main thing. Ah, I think you'll suffer on laptops in general -- unless you get one of the newer ones that come with some kind of Gnu/Linux these days. I have been using Kubuntu for almost 4 years, but still can't get anything installed on our Toshiba laptop. If you have a 'desktop' machine, I can't say enough nice things about Kubuntu. Perhaps I'll give it a try on my desktop. (I suppose I could also just try debian.) But I prefer to have the same thing on all my machines, and I run Fedora on three different laptops---a Linux Certified and two Sonys---with only minor problems even on the very newest Sony: I had to compile the wireless driver from source. Richard
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> Well, I tried it on a laptop a while ago, and it kept crashing. That'd > be the main thing. Ah, I think you'll suffer on laptops in general -- unless you get one of the newer ones that come with some kind of Gnu/Linux these days. I have been using Kubuntu for almost 4 years, but still can't get anything installed on our Toshiba laptop. If you have a 'desktop' machine, I can't say enough nice things about Kubuntu. \d -- When you allow legends to rule your life, your world is based on fiction -- Segio Aragones (Groo the Wanderer Number 99) Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/
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José Matos wrote: On Monday 14 January 2008 17:18:05 rgheck wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? What problems are you having? Rex Dieter, the fedora maintainer of lyx and of kde-redhat fame is very responsive and most of the perceived differences are gone. Actually I prefer the Fedora model for KDE for some reasons that I will not go into detail here... :-) I've talked to Rex about much of this, and pay attention to the kde-redhat list. Lately, it has to do with kio_audiocd grabbing exclusive locks and messing up my attempts to use shell-scripts to copy (my own!) CDs. This seems to be due to a Fedora patch to cdrdao, if I remember right, one that causes problems for kio_audiocd. The patch was presumably created by someone who wasn't paying attention to KDE. And I'm having other problems, too, that have nothing to do with KDE, so that's leading me to think I should look around. Richard
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On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 12:18:05PM -0500, rgheck wrote: > > I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the > second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm > thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for > me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite > that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? I am running Kubuntu at work. It seems to do the job. [I am the fvwm2-with-16-virtual-screens-used-as-xterm-multiplexer kind of person, so I usually don't care too much for 'integrated desktops'] Andre'
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On Monday 14 January 2008 11:18, rgheck wrote: > I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the > second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm > thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is > for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be > quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? > > Richard Richard, For various reasons I have found myself using four different Linux distributions at the moment: Gentoo (with KDE), Suse 10.1 (with KDE), RHEL3 (with KDE) and Ubuntu (with Gnome). I haven't tried Kubuntu, but I have found Ubuntu generally satisfactory and trouble free. I like Gentoo, but getting things to work properly is sometimes very time-consuming. Things that just just work in Ubuntu or Suse sometimes take a lot of fiddling to get running in Gentoo. On the other hand, the things that you just give up on in the other distributions can usually be made to work (often quite easily) with Gentoo. I wouldn't recommend Suse because I've come across some annoying things that don't seem to have a fix -- such as frequently disallowing graphical logins except by root, until you log in as root and then log out again. We only use RHEL3 because we use some proprietory software that only runs on that release -- it's archaic, and doesn't support a lot of recent software or a lot of new hardware. Les
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, rgheck shared this with us all: >--} >--} I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the >--} second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm >--} thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is >--} for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be >--} quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? >--} >--} Richard >--} >--} Debian Etch. I have Debian Etch/stable installed on some desktop machines in an Internet Kiosk I have something to do with, and I wouldn't try to put anything Linux in front of the windows accustomed public without KDE. It works a treat they are amazed they are using Linux when informed of this. It makes more work for me because they then ask if they could install it on their computers, but I digress. You will have to use Debian backports to have something a little more up to date if required. But then Debian Lenny/testing doesn't have a lot problems but couldn't be described as completely stable all the time. I run Linux Debian Lenny/testing on two Acer lappys and Linux Debian Etch/stable on another, my with me all the time machine, a Toshie lappy with only 64MB RAM and 10GB hard drive Though on this I don't run KDE and only version 1.4 lyx. Might be the way to go? Or not? Be well, Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 ** There is no rule more invariable than that we are paid for our suspicions by finding what we suspect. ...Henry David Thoreau <<<>>> Debian - Just the best way to do magic.
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On Jan 14, 2008 10:18 AM, rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the > second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm > thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is > for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be > quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? > > Richard My vote is Slackware. It is arguably one of the most stable distributions available and it is the oldest distribution still actively maintained. It's not going to hold your hand like Kubuntu or have graphical configuration tools for everything, but it's not very difficult to learn how to set it up. Trust me! If I can set it up, you can. It's not as hard as people try to claim it is. Here's a very very good guide to setting up Slackware (Did I say very good guide? Yes, very good): http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_slackware12. What I've really found is that I LOVE being in control of my system and knowing what is going on and how to change it. Slackware is very configurable and what I've heard before is this: Once you learn Debian you know Debian, once you learn Slackware you know Linux. I've tried Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Fedora, Debian, PCLinuxOS, OpenSuse, Mint, Gentoo, Red Hat, and Mepis (and probably a few others, I don't remember now). The reasons I really like Slackware are simple: stability, speed, things just work. I'm sure everyone will agree that Slackware is more difficult to get setup and you need to know a little bit about linux, but once it's done, it's done and you can get to work and never worry about crashes. Another reason I really like it is that you can install the default Slackware system which I would consider to be comparable to Debian Stable and then through http://slackbuilds.org/ (my personal favorite) you can install the latest software, which would be like Debain Unstable but without the issues that sometimes arise by trying Debian "unstable" software on a "stable" system. I don't want to get into any distro flame wars here, I'm just saying this is another reason why I prefer Slackware. Anyways, that's just my opinion as everyone has given theirs. I'm just glade so many people are using linux. Cheers, /Bob
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On January 14, 2008 12:18:05 rgheck wrote: > I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the > second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm > thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is > for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be > quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? > > Richard I vote for Gentoo. If you've got a quad-core, then give it something to sink its teeth into (I'd love to know how long the openoffice compile would be)! just my $.02 -- William Seager University of Toronto Scarborough www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~seager
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
M-L wrote: On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, rgheck shared this with us all: --} --} I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the --} second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm --} thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is --} for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be --} quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? --} --} Richard --} --} Debian Etch. [snip] Thanks for the suggestion. I've thought about Debian, and it has a great reputation for stability. That said, while I don't want to be absolutely bleeding edge, I do like to be near it, and Debian at least has a reputation for being, well, stable. Just looking at the packages, it looks like Lyx 1.4.3 is the most recent in etch. It looks as if lenny has 1.5.2, but even that's out of date, and, as you say, that's not yet ready. So, well, I'm still looking. Richard
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
William Seager wrote: On January 14, 2008 12:18:05 rgheck wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard I vote for Gentoo. If you've got a quad-core, then give it something to sink its teeth into (I'd love to know how long the openoffice compile would be)! Thanks. It is eminently configurable rh
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
Bob Lounsbury wrote: On Jan 14, 2008 10:18 AM, rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard My vote is Slackware. [snip] Thanks. I'd not even have thought of Slackware, but it may well be the right distro for me. The "learning about Linux" part is what attracts me to Gentoo---I don't think I'm quite ready for Linux from Scratch---but having to compile dang near everything...I'm not sure I want to go that route. rh
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
On 1/15/08, rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My vote is Slackware. [snip] > Thanks. I'd not even have thought of Slackware, but it may well be the > right distro for me. The "learning about Linux" part is what attracts me > to Gentoo---I don't think I'm quite ready for Linux from Scratch---but > having to compile dang near everything...I'm not sure I want to go that > route. Well, you can always install binaries on Gentoo [1]. Never tried, but my guess is that it should work fine. And installing from the LiveCD also goes through binaries (or at least so it was about two years ago). Liviu [1] http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Using_PORTAGE_BINHOST
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:55:29 -0500 rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > M-L wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, rgheck shared this with us all: > > > >> --} > >> --} I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but > >> the --} second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get > >> to me, so I'm --} thinking about switching. But then: to what? I > >> don't think Kubuntu is --} for me. Gentoo would be an option, but > >> then I'm not sure I want to be --} quite that bleeding-edge. So, > >> the question: What? --} > >> --} Richard > >> --} > >> --} > >> > > > > Debian Etch. > > > > [snip] > Thanks for the suggestion. I've thought about Debian, and it has a > great reputation for stability. That said, while I don't want to be > absolutely bleeding edge, I do like to be near it, and Debian at > least has a reputation for being, well, stable. Just looking at the > packages, it looks like Lyx 1.4.3 is the most recent in etch. It > looks as if lenny has 1.5.2, but even that's out of date, and, as you > say, that's not yet ready. So, well, I'm still looking. > I use Debian Etch, and it is rock solid. I tried Lenny for a while, but I don't need that much updating on my regular work machine. Lyx 1.5.3 compiled with not a single glitch, so if that is all you are worried about, don't. Alan > Richard > >
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
I'm using sidux (based on Debian unstable) and have been since it branched off of Kanotix. It's easily stable enough for my everyday use, and yet things like the latest LyX are available quite quickly from repositories (and there's nothing stopping one from downloading and installing from the latest development snapshots). The Debian LyX maintainer generally gets versions out to the repositories within a week of a new release. I started out using Mandrake for my linux, then moved to Mepis and SUSE (and have tried the BSDs and source-oriented distros such as SourceMage and Gentoo), and have pretty much settled on Debian for its stability and huge package selection. /* Down with categorical imperative! [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ - Original Message From: rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: M-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:55:29 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution? M-L wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, rgheck shared this with us all: > >> --} >> --} I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the >> --} second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm >> --} thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is >> --} for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be >> --} quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? >> --} >> --} Richard >> --} >> --} >> > > Debian Etch. > > [snip] Thanks for the suggestion. I've thought about Debian, and it has a great reputation for stability. That said, while I don't want to be absolutely bleeding edge, I do like to be near it, and Debian at least has a reputation for being, well, stable. Just looking at the packages, it looks like Lyx 1.4.3 is the most recent in etch. It looks as if lenny has 1.5.2, but even that's out of date, and, as you say, that's not yet ready. So, well, I'm still looking. Richard Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [OT] Best KDE-centric Distribution?
rgheck wrote: I've been using Fedora ever since I started using Linux, but the second-rate status of KDE under Fedora is starting to get to me, so I'm thinking about switching. But then: to what? I don't think Kubuntu is for me. Gentoo would be an option, but then I'm not sure I want to be quite that bleeding-edge. So, the question: What? Richard After reading all the posts, I have to leave my comment... I am realy wondering, why only one person mentioned OpenSuSE. I am using OpenSuse 10.2 on two computers, one using xfce and the other one fluxbox and enlightenment. I used kde earlier, but switched because of the overhang, but that is a bifferent story. KDE is working very nicely on OpenSuse, the distro is stable, you get binaries for most of essentially all programms you need (well - the common ones) and it is everything on one DVD, so no network connection is needed for the install, including most of the software. I really like OpenSuSE and I would recommend it if you are looking for KDE-centric distro. Rainer
