Re: Issues using lyx

[Richard Heck]

On 06/23/2017 12:05 PM, David L. Johnson wrote:
>
> There are, for some, disadvantages to linux as well: No Word (I regard
> this as a feature, not a problem), not many games.  

When needed for inter-operability, I find LibreOffice perfectly usable,
unless you need some advanced features of the latest Word.

Richard

Re: Issues using lyx

[Richard Heck]

On 06/23/2017 03:45 PM, Cris Fuhrman wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 10:12 PM, Mr William Balthes
>  > wrote:
>
> A suggestion from the list is that I use linux.
>
> I know nothing about it.  Does it have automatic updates that you
> can't avoid where the system restarts.
>
> I've not had any data loss on my Windows 10 due to automatic updates,
> but I tend to always save my files before going away from my PC. In
> defense of auto-updates as a Win10 mechanism, a power loss overnight
> would also put you at risk if you didn't save your LyX file properly
> and use a reliable backup system, even in linux. 
>
> Using a cloud file service, e.g., Dropbox or Google drive, etc. is a
> way to have a copy of your file in case something weird happens. I'm
> pretty sure that Google Drive has a way (albeit cryptic) to recover
> versions of the same file for up to 30 days.

I have found Spider Oak an excellent backup service, and I believe they
will do 10GB free.

Richard

Re: Issues using lyx

[Cris Fuhrman]

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 10:12 PM, Mr William Balthes <
william.balt...@uqconnect.edu.au> wrote:

> A suggestion from the list is that I use linux.
>
> I know nothing about it.  Does it have automatic updates that you can't
> avoid where the system restarts.
>
I've not had any data loss on my Windows 10 due to automatic updates, but I
tend to always save my files before going away from my PC. In defense of
auto-updates as a Win10 mechanism, a power loss overnight would also put
you at risk if you didn't save your LyX file properly and use a reliable
backup system, even in linux.

Using a cloud file service, e.g., Dropbox or Google drive, etc. is a way to
have a copy of your file in case something weird happens. I'm pretty sure
that Google Drive has a way (albeit cryptic) to recover versions of the
same file for up to 30 days.

Finally, I also remember how much of my own procrastination was involved
with the technical aspects of my dissertation (LaTeX vs Word vs FrameMaker
was the topic we would spend hours debating online in the mid 90s). Try not
to let it take up too much of your energy.

Regards,

C. Fuhrman

Re: Issues using lyx

[David L. Johnson]

On 06/22/2017 10:12 PM, Mr William Balthes wrote:



A suggestion from the list is that I use linux.


I know nothing about it.  Does it have automatic updates that you 
can't avoid where the system restarts.


No - at least not the version I use.  Each distribution has its own way 
of doing updates, but having the computer automatically update, and then 
re-starting, seems, well, stupid.



Is it more stable and do you avoid the crashes out of the blue and 
when selecting large amounts of text with the mouse.



I don't have any trouble with that.



Does linux still have back-ups and save temp files.

Sure, but everything is configurable.  There are advantages to linux: 
stability, speed (some programs), versatility.  When I started using 
TeX, the windows version was a complete mess.  Under linux, everything 
talked to everything else easily (a unix feature in general) and 
everything worked like it should.  Networking is part of the design, not 
a bunch of nonsense add-ons.  Security is far better.


There are, for some, disadvantages to linux as well: No Word (I regard 
this as a feature, not a problem), not many games.  The big commercial 
programs usually just ignore linux, except for Maple and Mathematica, 
and things like that.  You do kind of have to like fiddling with your 
computer to want linux on it.


--

David L. Johnson
Department of Mathematics
Lehigh University

Re: Issues using lyx

[Paul A. Rubin]

On 06/22/2017 10:12 PM, Mr William Balthes wrote:


A suggestion from the list is that I use linux.

I switched from Windows to Linux years ago. I ran Win 7 and Linux in 
parallel for a while, but I have not used Windows (other than when a 
guest someplace) in at least a decade.



I know nothing about it.  Does it have automatic updates that you 
can't avoid where the system restarts.


No. There are lots of different Linux distributions, but every one I'm 
aware of gives the user full control over which updates to install and 
when to install them. Also, Linux updates various components of the 
system in a more granular manner than does Windows. On both, application 
programs are updated separately from the operating system. In Linux, 
though, changes to the user display/desktop are separate updates from 
changes to the file system and so on, whereas in Windows that would all 
be handled by one system update.



Is it more stable and do you avoid the crashes out of the blue and 
when selecting large amounts of text with the mouse.


In the days when the acronym BSOD was in common use, Linux was 
demonstrably more stable. Windows has improved a lot in that regard, so 
I'm not sure whether I would claim one to be more stable than the other 
today. My current system, for instance, will occasionally refuse to wake 
from a suspended state and have to be restarted. I've never experienced 
a crash selecting any amount of text, but then again for large amounts I 
usually click at the beginning and shift-click at the end rather than 
doing a mouse drag.



Does linux still have back-ups and save temp files.

Saving temp files is up to the individual application, and making 
backups is up to the user. There are ways to make automatic backups, 
such as using a Dropbox or Google Drive folder. Cloud drives can be 
integrated into the system to look just like any other drive.


I tend to believe that Linux Mint (which is my choice of distribution) 
is an easier transition from Windows than most of the others. That said, 
users do need to learn some of the technical aspects of Linux. I would 
say that someone who is not comfortable opening a terminal (command 
prompt in Windows), navigating around the system and running a few basic 
commands should think twice about moving to Linux (unless they had easy 
access to someone Linux-savvy who could guide them a bit). Fortunately, 
it's easy to find guidance on line when you're stuck on something, 
starting with a Google search and, if necessary, going to a discussion 
forum.


Cheers,
Paul



Thank you

William Balthes

Re: Issues using lyx

[Mr William Balthes]

I am interested in the comment about  windows. I have always been a windows 
user but am not wrapped in windows 10.


Does anyone else have experience of documents changing after there has been a 
windows update when the lyx document has been saved but left open.


A suggestion from the list is that I use linux.


I know nothing about it.  Does it have automatic updates that you can't avoid 
where the system restarts.


Is it more stable and do you avoid the crashes out of the blue and when 
selecting large amounts of text with the mouse.


Does linux still have back-ups and save temp files.


Thank you

William Balthes



From: Dr Eberhard Lisse <nos...@lisse.na>
Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2017 8:37 PM
To: d...@lehigh.edu; lyx-users@lists.lyx.org; Mr William Balthes
Subject: Re: Issues using lyx

He's probably using Windoze.

el

On 18/06/2017 14:58, David L. Johnson wrote:
> On 06/17/2017 11:58 PM, Mr William Balthes wrote:
>>
>> I am using lyx to write my thesis and having major problems.
>>
>> The program continually crashes and mostly forms an emergency file
>> but sometimes not.
>>
>> The document seems to get messed up regardless.
>
> I have never had any such problems, so let's find out what is going
> on.
>
>> The document class is American Mathematical Society (AMS) Article
>
> Which I use all the time.
>
>
>> I can send a document sample if this helps
>
> I would guess this is a configuration issue.  Are you new to LyX?
> Send me a minimal file that shows the problem.  One way to do that
> is to take the file that is causing problems, cut it in half, and
> see which half continues to be a problem.  Continue until you can
> isolate the problem area (and of course remove anything you want to
> keep private).  Send that to me.
>
> Now, I don't use Windows, and have version 2.2.2 of LyX, but this
> would be a first test to see where the problem is.
>
> --
> David L. Johnson
> Department of Mathematics
> Lehigh University
>

Re: Issues using lyx

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

He's probably using Windoze.

el

On 18/06/2017 14:58, David L. Johnson wrote:
> On 06/17/2017 11:58 PM, Mr William Balthes wrote:
>>
>> I am using lyx to write my thesis and having major problems.
>>
>> The program continually crashes and mostly forms an emergency file
>> but sometimes not.
>>
>> The document seems to get messed up regardless.
>
> I have never had any such problems, so let's find out what is going
> on.
>
>> The document class is American Mathematical Society (AMS) Article
>
> Which I use all the time.
>
>
>> I can send a document sample if this helps
>
> I would guess this is a configuration issue.  Are you new to LyX?
> Send me a minimal file that shows the problem.  One way to do that
> is to take the file that is causing problems, cut it in half, and
> see which half continues to be a problem.  Continue until you can
> isolate the problem area (and of course remove anything you want to
> keep private).  Send that to me.
>
> Now, I don't use Windows, and have version 2.2.2 of LyX, but this
> would be a first test to see where the problem is.
> 
> -- 
> David L. Johnson
> Department of Mathematics
> Lehigh University
> 

Re: Issues using lyx

[Joel Kulesza]

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Steve Litt 
wrote:

> Do you have a way to format up a Linux computer to use for LyXing your
> document?


Note that you don't necessarily need to dedicate a computer to this.  You
can try installing virtualization software (e.g.,
https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads) and running Linux within that
environment.

- Joel

Re: Issues using lyx

[Steve Litt]

On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 03:58:22 +
Mr William Balthes  wrote:

> I am using lyx to write my thesis and having major problems.
> The program continually crashes and mostly forms an emergency file
> but sometimes not. The document seems to get messed up regardless.

[snip]

> I am using Windows 10 and lyx version 2.1.
> Hoping you can give me some advice I just seem to be redoing stuff
> and it gets better just for the same thing to happen again.

Hi William,

I'm going to give you a suggestion, which if given to me, would cause
me to start a huge flame war. So please be a more accepting person than
I would be if our roles were reversed...

Do you have a way to format up a Linux computer to use for LyXing your
document? I have a feeling that LyXing under Linux would cure your
problem.

The reason I say this is that LyX has lots of problems, but crashiness
isn't one of them, or at least not on Linux. Over the last 20 years
I've used LyX, ever since LyX 1.4, on about 10 computers with about 6
different LyX distros, and except for one or two minor versions over a
decade ago, LyX was never crashy. And if I remember correctly, the
crashiness occurred back when LyX was built upon Xforms (which I
preferred), rather than Qt. To me, your symptom description sounds a
lot more like either underlying OS or hardware than LyX, and if I'm
right, you could format up a Linux box and write your document
uninterrupted.

By the way, I'd recommend you take a System Rescue CD and run all the
hardware tests on your Win10 computer. Be sure to test the RAM and the
disk.

 
SteveT

Steve Litt 
June 2017 featured book: The Key to Everyday Excellence
http://www.troubleshooters.com/key

Re: Issues using lyx

[Andrew Parsloe]

On 19/06/2017 6:36 a.m., Cris Fuhrman wrote:

I use LyX a lot with Windows 10, and have had some spontaneous crashes
that are hard to reproduce in small documents. They have happened when
selecting large parts of a document (the selection scrolling beyond the
current window is expanded super fast downward, across many parts of a
document including figures, appendix, and then... boom!).
Inline image 1

I just tried this in LyX 2.3.3 on one of my big exam files, and it's
still a problem. I tend to NOT use the emergency file, and I've learned
NOT to do big mouse selections (I select only with shift and arrow
keys). This may not be William's problem, but could be related to it.



This sounds like #10324 -- exactly the same error message. It seems to 
be more general than my initial report. I am on Windows 7 (so it's not a 
Windows 10 issue) and could raise the error back to LyX 2.1.5 (comment 9 
of #10324).


Andrew

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Re: Issues using lyx

[Cris Fuhrman]

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Cris Fuhrman  wrote:

> I just tried this in LyX 2.3.3 on one of my big exam files...
>

Correction: I'm  running LyX 2.2.2 on my computer at home where this crash
was.

Re: Issues using lyx

[Cris Fuhrman]

I use LyX a lot with Windows 10, and have had some spontaneous crashes that
are hard to reproduce in small documents. They have happened when selecting
large parts of a document (the selection scrolling beyond the current
window is expanded super fast downward, across many parts of a document
including figures, appendix, and then... boom!).
[image: Inline image 1]

I just tried this in LyX 2.3.3 on one of my big exam files, and it's still
a problem. I tend to NOT use the emergency file, and I've learned NOT to do
big mouse selections (I select only with shift and arrow keys). This may
not be William's problem, but could be related to it.

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 9:58 AM, David L. Johnson  wrote:

> On 06/17/2017 11:58 PM, Mr William Balthes wrote:
>
> I am using lyx to write my thesis and having major problems.
>
> The program continually crashes and mostly forms an emergency file but
> sometimes not.
>
> The document seems to get messed up regardless.
>
> I have never had any such problems, so let's find out what is going on.
>
>
> The document class is American Mathematical Society (AMS) Article
>
> Which I use all the time.
>
>
> I can send a document sample if this helps
>
> I would guess this is a configuration issue.  Are you new to LyX?  Send me
> a minimal file that shows the problem.  One way to do that is to take the
> file that is causing problems, cut it in half, and see which half continues
> to be a problem.  Continue until you can isolate the problem area (and of
> course remove anything you want to keep private).  Send that to me.
>
> Now, I don't use Windows, and have version 2.2.2 of LyX, but this would be
> a first test to see where the problem is.
>
> --
> David L. Johnson
> Department of Mathematics
> Lehigh University
>
>

Re: Issues using lyx

[David L. Johnson]

On 06/17/2017 11:58 PM, Mr William Balthes wrote:


I am using lyx to write my thesis and having major problems.

The program continually crashes and mostly forms an emergency file but 
sometimes not.


The document seems to get messed up regardless.


I have never had any such problems, so let's find out what is going on.


The document class is American Mathematical Society (AMS) Article


Which I use all the time.



I can send a document sample if this helps

I would guess this is a configuration issue.  Are you new to LyX? Send 
me a minimal file that shows the problem.  One way to do that is to take 
the file that is causing problems, cut it in half, and see which half 
continues to be a problem.  Continue until you can isolate the problem 
area (and of course remove anything you want to keep private).  Send 
that to me.


Now, I don't use Windows, and have version 2.2.2 of LyX, but this would 
be a first test to see where the problem is.


--
David L. Johnson
Department of Mathematics
Lehigh University

Issues using lyx

[Mr William Balthes]

I am using lyx to write my thesis and having major problems.
The program continually crashes and mostly forms an emergency file but 
sometimes not.
The document seems to get messed up regardless.
Sometimes just out of the blue the formatting for the document changes. This 
happens after I have been working on the document for some weeks. It may just 
be in a section but then it will change the whole document.
Things it changes are:
The word font changes
The word size changes
The line spacing changes
Seems to put everything in maths font
Things that were in maths code are no longer in maths code.
Changes symbols
Changes numbers with other numbers
Tries to put stuff on one line or on different lines
Deletes sub sub-sections
Sub-section name size changes
Changes order of things that were already ordered
Orders stuff that is not meant to be ordered
Seems to copy sections
Whole sections are repeated
Work that was cleared up and spelling fixed seem to go back
Seems to fuse everything together.

The document class is American Mathematical Society (AMS) Article

I can send a document sample if this helps

I am using Windows 10 and lyx version 2.1.
Hoping you can give me some advice I just seem to be redoing stuff and it gets 
better just for the same thing to happen again.

William Balthes