Re: Just Do It! — Long Export Process Halted to Query Continuation

2018-02-16 Thread Richard Heck
On 02/16/2018 11:46 PM, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan wrote:
> On 02/16/2018 07:37 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 03:19:38AM +, Mc Kiernan Daniel Kian wrote:
>>> On 02/16/2018 05:53 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

 You do not need to babysit it. Actually the process should keep going
 even if you don't click a button.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you're correct, but the process seems to stop, based upon the
>>> reported actions in the lower left-hand field.
>>
>> Agreed. I did not mean to say that LyX's behavior is ideal. I just
>> wanted to let you know you did not need to babysit.
>
> Okay, so basically just ill-considered use of a modal dialog box, the
> modality of which is just within the interface.  Thank you for that
> information!

It would probably be a very easy fix to make the dialog non-modal.

FYI, the reason we have this at all is to make it possible for people to
stop processes that are going on too long. As Scott sort of said, once
we have the ability to cancel this kind of thing, the timeout may no
longer be necessary. But that is still a bit buggy.

Richard




Re: Just Do It! — Long Export Process Halted to Query Continuation

2018-02-16 Thread Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan

On 02/16/2018 07:37 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 03:19:38AM +, Mc Kiernan Daniel Kian wrote:

On 02/16/2018 05:53 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:


You do not need to babysit it. Actually the process should keep going
even if you don't click a button.


Perhaps you're correct, but the process seems to stop, based upon the
reported actions in the lower left-hand field.


Agreed. I did not mean to say that LyX's behavior is ideal. I just
wanted to let you know you did not need to babysit.


Okay, so basically just ill-considered use of a modal dialog box, the 
modality of which is just within the interface.  Thank you for that 
information!


(Jef Raskin could be a twerp, but his book The Humane Interface is 
still worth reading.)


Re: Just Do It! — Long Export Process Halted to Query Continuation

2018-02-16 Thread Scott Kostyshak
On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 03:19:38AM +, Mc Kiernan Daniel Kian wrote:
> On 02/16/2018 05:53 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> > 
> > You do not need to babysit it. Actually the process should keep going
> > even if you don't click a button.
> 
> Perhaps you're correct, but the process seems to stop, based upon the
> reported actions in the lower left-hand field.

Agreed. I did not mean to say that LyX's behavior is ideal. I just
wanted to let you know you did not need to babysit.

Scott


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Re: Just Do It! — Long Export Process Halted to Query Continuation

2018-02-16 Thread Mc Kiernan Daniel Kian

On 02/16/2018 05:53 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:


You do not need to babysit it. Actually the process should keep going
even if you don't click a button.


Perhaps you're correct, but the process seems to stop, based upon the 
reported actions in the lower left-hand field.


Re: Just Do It! — Long Export Process Halted to Query Continuation

2018-02-16 Thread Scott Kostyshak
On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 01:06:46AM +, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan wrote:
> Is there a way of telling LyX to continue an export process without pausing
> to query me as to whether I wish it to continue?
> 
> Occasionally, I want to convert a paper to OpenDocument format.  The process
> takes rather a long time.  I'd like to go away from it, so that I can be
> productive in some other way.  But LyX repeatedly posts a dialog that cries
> ‘The command / mk4ht oolatex ".tex" / has not yet completed. / /
> Do you want to stop it?’ So that I'm forced to babysit it.

You do not need to babysit it. Actually the process should keep going
even if you don't click a button.

> On the one hand, I quite understand why a query is made.  On the other hand,
> I don't understand why a “Just Do It!” option or a user-set timer doesn't
> seem available, as there are various ways within most or all OSs to
> terminate processes.

Note that by LyX 2.4.0 we will have a feature where you can cancel the
process inside LyX by going to Document > Cancel Background Process. I
wonder if with this feature we will increase the timer lenght.

Scott


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Just Do It! — Long Export Process Halted to Query Continuation

2018-02-16 Thread Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan
Is there a way of telling LyX to continue an export process without 
pausing to query me as to whether I wish it to continue?


Occasionally, I want to convert a paper to OpenDocument format.  The 
process takes rather a long time.  I'd like to go away from it, so 
that I can be productive in some other way.  But LyX repeatedly posts 
a dialog that cries ‘The command / mk4ht oolatex ".tex" / 
has not yet completed. / / Do you want to stop it?’ So that I'm forced 
to babysit it.


On the one hand, I quite understand why a query is made.  On the other 
hand, I don't understand why a “Just Do It!” option or a user-set 
timer doesn't seem available, as there are various ways within most or 
all OSs to terminate processes.


(Obviously, if all else fails then I can punt to the command line to 
run oolatex.)