Re: Parentheses keys are reversed in Hebrew
Hi,
I've made some more experiments (this time on the git version) and it seems
the behavior changes based on how hebrew is typed:
* If you are using the system's keyboard layout then () get reversed, and
[] {} <> are correct.
* If you are using lyx's hebrew keymap (and system's keyboard layout as
english) then () are correct and [],{} and <> are reversed.
In both cases, the display in lyx matches xelatex output (which is good).
Thanks,
Guy
On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 09:52, Guy Rutenberg wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm re-sending my last message as it appears I accidentally didn't send it
> to the list. I've also added the lyx-devel, as it seems to be more
> appropriate.
>
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 17:22, Guy Rutenberg
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 11:05, Daniel wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> However, this is with an English, German, etc. keyboard layout. This
>>> changes if I switch to the Hebrew keyboard layout. But then the Hebrew
>>> keyboard layout seems to have parenthesis switched relative to the
>>> English:
>>>
>>
>> I'm referring to the case of using Hebrew keyboard layout.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_keyboard#/media/File:Hebrew_keyboard_layout.png
>>>
>>>
>> I don't know how made that diagram, but I'm pretty sure that he didn't
>> use an actual Hebrew keyboard. I have around seven different keyboards
>> around me right now from different manufacturers, non have this weird
>> things with reversed parenthesis. Even the actual keyboard photo in the
>> Wiki article shows the parenthesis to be normal and not reversed as in the
>> diagram.
>>
>>
>>> So, if you are using a Hebrew keyboard layout, then LyX seems to behave
>>> correctly. But in that case I am wondering why other applications don't
>>> behave that way for you.
>>
>>
>> Because LyX behavior is unexpected to the normal user.
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 13:11, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please comment here:
>>> https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/11191
>>>
>>> We generally need to audit LyX's behavior with bracket/parens input in
>>> RTL, but we urgently need input from experienced users.
>>>
>>>
>> I've added a new comment there as well. I'll gladly help to fix this
>> issue if someone can point me in the right direction.
>>
>
>
> I've looked again at the bug and the patch linked there. It seems that the
> code handling parenthesis had been moved to somewhere else. Where does it
> resides now? I want to try and patch it so it won't reverse parenthesis in
> hebrew.
>
> Thanks,
> Guy
>
Re: Parentheses keys are reversed in Hebrew
Hi, I'm re-sending my last message as it appears I accidentally didn't send it to the list. I've also added the lyx-devel, as it seems to be more appropriate. On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 17:22, Guy Rutenberg wrote: > On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 11:05, Daniel wrote: > >> >> However, this is with an English, German, etc. keyboard layout. This >> changes if I switch to the Hebrew keyboard layout. But then the Hebrew >> keyboard layout seems to have parenthesis switched relative to the >> English: >> > > I'm referring to the case of using Hebrew keyboard layout. > >> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_keyboard#/media/File:Hebrew_keyboard_layout.png >> >> > I don't know how made that diagram, but I'm pretty sure that he didn't use > an actual Hebrew keyboard. I have around seven different keyboards around > me right now from different manufacturers, non have this weird things with > reversed parenthesis. Even the actual keyboard photo in the Wiki article > shows the parenthesis to be normal and not reversed as in the diagram. > > >> So, if you are using a Hebrew keyboard layout, then LyX seems to behave >> correctly. But in that case I am wondering why other applications don't >> behave that way for you. > > > Because LyX behavior is unexpected to the normal user. > > On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 13:11, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > >> >> >> Please comment here: >> https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/11191 >> >> We generally need to audit LyX's behavior with bracket/parens input in >> RTL, but we urgently need input from experienced users. >> >> > I've added a new comment there as well. I'll gladly help to fix this issue > if someone can point me in the right direction. > I've looked again at the bug and the patch linked there. It seems that the code handling parenthesis had been moved to somewhere else. Where does it resides now? I want to try and patch it so it won't reverse parenthesis in hebrew. Thanks, Guy
Re: Parentheses keys are reversed in Hebrew
Am Fr., 19. Okt. 2018 um 08:24 Uhr schrieb Guy Rutenberg <
guyrutenb...@gmail.com>:
> Hi,
>
> I've noticed a peculiar behavior when writing an Hebrew document in LyX.
> Whenever I type parentheses they get reversed. The problem does not happen
> when switching to English. For example if i type ( I get )
> instead, and vice-versa. This happens with all kinds of
> bracketing including <>, [], {}.
>
>
> I can see the logic behind this, treating logically as "opening
> parenthesis" and as "closing parenthesis", and them mapping it,
> logically, to Hebrew which is right-to-left. However, this is quiet
> annoying, because no other program behaves that way.
>
> Is there a way to fix this?
>
Please comment here:
https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/11191
We generally need to audit LyX's behavior with bracket/parens input in RTL,
but we urgently need input from experienced users.
Jürgen
>
> Thanks,
> Guy
>
Re: Parentheses keys are reversed in Hebrew
On 19/10/2018 08:23, Guy Rutenberg wrote:
Hi,
I've noticed a peculiar behavior when writing an Hebrew document in LyX.
Whenever I type parentheses they get reversed. The problem does not
happen when switching to English. For example if i type ( I
get ) instead, and vice-versa. This happens with all kinds of
bracketing including <>, [], {}.
I can see the logic behind this, treating logically as
"opening parenthesis" and as "closing parenthesis", and them
mapping it, logically, to Hebrew which is right-to-left. However, this
is quiet annoying, because no other program behaves that way.
Is there a way to fix this?
Thanks,
Guy
I am not fully sure from what you write which parenthesis you get on
which key combination.
In a document with Hebrew set as language I get "(" on and ")"
on . So, that seems to be what you desire. So, in that case I
cannot reproduce what you see.
However, this is with an English, German, etc. keyboard layout. This
changes if I switch to the Hebrew keyboard layout. But then the Hebrew
keyboard layout seems to have parenthesis switched relative to the English:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_keyboard#/media/File:Hebrew_keyboard_layout.png
So, if you are using a Hebrew keyboard layout, then LyX seems to behave
correctly. But in that case I am wondering why other applications don't
behave that way for you.
Best,
Daniel
Parentheses keys are reversed in Hebrew
Hi,
I've noticed a peculiar behavior when writing an Hebrew document in LyX.
Whenever I type parentheses they get reversed. The problem does not happen
when switching to English. For example if i type ( I get )
instead, and vice-versa. This happens with all kinds of
bracketing including <>, [], {}.
I can see the logic behind this, treating logically as "opening
parenthesis" and as "closing parenthesis", and them mapping it,
logically, to Hebrew which is right-to-left. However, this is quiet
annoying, because no other program behaves that way.
Is there a way to fix this?
Thanks,
Guy
