Re: Paths forgotten?

[Pavel Sanda]

On Thu, May 07, 2020 at 01:16:56PM -0400, UD Kap wrote:
>David,
> 
>Indeed, I use Linux for (almost) everything, but have (on the same
>machine) a Windows 10 partition, with its own Lyx/Latex.* I naively
>assumed that using the browse key in setting up an image in the Lyx
>presentation will insert the correct path for that image file.* As I have
>now discovered, the path that was inserted* was valid only for the editing
>session in which it was inserted.*
> 
>*** Prompted by your suggestion, I replaced the beginning of the path for
>all the confusing files (which was pointing to the Windows partition)* by
>~, and now Lyx is no longer confused.

Editing the same file by alternate booting to both Windows and Linux is a brave
move and I hope you do regular backups :) If by chance your Windows hibernate 
and
you try to edit the lyx file in linux on the mounted drive meanwhile, you might
end up with data loss after new reboot to windows...

Anyway, if the images are stored not that far away, you can use manually 
inserted
"../" in paths (e.g. "../../another_project/fig1.eps") so it does not depend 
on linux vs windows path start and work in both of them.

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Re: Paths forgotten?

[UD Kap]

  
  
On 5/7/20 11:25 AM, David Mertens wrote:

  
  Kaplan,


Are you opening this file in LyX from two different
  operating systems (or two different machines), synchronized
  via Dropbox? Otherwise I cannot fathom any circumstances that
  LyX would even think to use a Windows-based path and then a
  Linux-based path. Maybe running LyX under Cygwin, and then not
  under Cygwin?


If you are looking at files using two different operating
  systems (or shared across two different computers with
  different users, so different absolute paths to files), you
  can manually enter a relative path to the figures. LyX will
  always store that relative path just fine. The only issue
  arises if you decide to change the figure file and use the
  "Browse" button to find the file. But again, once you have
  found that file, you can alter the beginning (absolute) part
  of the path and replace it with the appropriate relative path
  with ".." and the like.


David
  
  
  
On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 10:22
  AM UD Kap  wrote:


  
Pavel, 

When you shoot in the dark you come close to the target
  (I think), so I should be more careful ;-) 
  When I look at the path of the "confusing" image files (in
  the Lyx file), it says: C:/Users/Gabriel.000/Dropbox  
  
The beginning of that path (C:/Users/Gabriel.000) is the
  path to the Windows partition on my disk. If I
  then click on that path in the Lyx file, I get the usual
  Linux path (/home/udi/Dropbox...) which then works fine,
  until the next visit to the Lyx file (might require a boot
  to show the issue-- I shall check)..  

   So this exercise showed me that when I exit from the
  Lyx file, and perhaps reboot, the beginning of the path
  for the confusing image files changes from /home/udi/Dropbox...
  to c:/gabriel.000/Dropbox...
  for reasons known only to the Gods of Lyx.  That path
  confuses Lyx.


Yours,
E. Kaplan


On 5/6/20 3:38 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:


  On Wed, May 06, 2020 at 12:45:34PM -0400, UD Kap wrote:

  
   Pavel, I think you are getting close-- the line says:** \origin
   unavailable

   What now?

  
  Unfortunately no, this was not fruitful direction, that value is pretty normal.
Can you answer my other questions (see below)?


  
Reading one more time the original report, I have two additional questions:
- when you say that you return to your presentation day(s) later does it mean
  that LyX was running the whole time or you launch LyX anew?

- you report the error "cannot determine the size of the graphics..".
  But if you click on that image and check in the dialog field "File:"
  do you still see correct path or is it lost?

  
  Pavel


  
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Re: Paths forgotten?

[David Mertens]

Kaplan,

Are you opening this file in LyX from two different operating systems (or
two different machines), synchronized via Dropbox? Otherwise I cannot
fathom any circumstances that LyX would even think to use a Windows-based
path and then a Linux-based path. Maybe running LyX under Cygwin, and then
not under Cygwin?

If you are looking at files using two different operating systems (or
shared across two different computers with different users, so different
absolute paths to files), you can manually enter a relative path to the
figures. LyX will always store that relative path just fine. The only issue
arises if you decide to change the figure file and use the "Browse" button
to find the file. But again, once you have found that file, you can alter
the beginning (absolute) part of the path and replace it with the
appropriate relative path with ".." and the like.

David

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 10:22 AM UD Kap  wrote:

> Pavel,
>
> When you shoot in the dark you come close to the target (I think), so I
> should be more careful ;-)
> When I look at the path of the "confusing" image files (in the Lyx file),
> it says: C:/Users/Gabriel.000/Dropbox
>
> The beginning of that path (C:/Users/Gabriel.000) is the path to the
> *Windows* partition on my disk. If I then click on that path in the Lyx
> file, I get the usual Linux path (/home/udi/Dropbox...) which then works
> fine, until the next visit to the Lyx file (might require a boot to show
> the issue-- I shall check)..
>
>So this exercise showed me that when I exit from the Lyx file, and
> perhaps reboot, the beginning of the path for the confusing image files
> changes from /home/udi/Dropbox... to c:/gabriel.000/Dropbox... for
> reasons known only to the Gods of Lyx.  That path confuses Lyx.
>
>
> Yours,
>
> E. Kaplan
>
>
> On 5/6/20 3:38 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:
>
> On Wed, May 06, 2020 at 12:45:34PM -0400, UD Kap wrote:
>
>Pavel, I think you are getting close-- the line says:** \origin
>unavailable
>
>What now?
>
> Unfortunately no, this was not fruitful direction, that value is pretty 
> normal.
> Can you answer my other questions (see below)?
>
>
> Reading one more time the original report, I have two additional questions:
> - when you say that you return to your presentation day(s) later does it mean
>   that LyX was running the whole time or you launch LyX anew?
>
> - you report the error "cannot determine the size of the graphics..".
>   But if you click on that image and check in the dialog field "File:"
>   do you still see correct path or is it lost?
>
> Pavel
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Re: Paths forgotten?

[UD Kap]

  
  
Pavel, 

When you shoot in the dark you come close to the target (I
  think), so I should be more careful ;-) 
  When I look at the path of the "confusing" image files (in the Lyx
  file), it says: C:/Users/Gabriel.000/Dropbox 

  
The beginning of that path (C:/Users/Gabriel.000) is the path to the Windows
  partition on my disk. If I then click on that path in the Lyx
  file, I get the usual Linux path (/home/udi/Dropbox...) which then
  works fine, until the next visit to the Lyx file (might require a
  boot to show the issue-- I shall check)..  

   So this exercise showed me that when I exit from the Lyx file,
  and perhaps reboot, the beginning of the path for the confusing
  image files changes from /home/udi/Dropbox... to c:/gabriel.000/Dropbox... for
  reasons known only to the Gods of Lyx.  That path confuses Lyx.


Yours,
E. Kaplan


On 5/6/20 3:38 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:


  On Wed, May 06, 2020 at 12:45:34PM -0400, UD Kap wrote:

  
   Pavel, I think you are getting close-- the line says:** \origin
   unavailable

   What now?

  
  
Unfortunately no, this was not fruitful direction, that value is pretty normal.
Can you answer my other questions (see below)?


  
Reading one more time the original report, I have two additional questions:
- when you say that you return to your presentation day(s) later does it mean
  that LyX was running the whole time or you launch LyX anew?

- you report the error "cannot determine the size of the graphics..".
  But if you click on that image and check in the dialog field "File:"
  do you still see correct path or is it lost?

  
  
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Re: Paths forgotten?

[Pavel Sanda]

On Wed, May 06, 2020 at 12:45:34PM -0400, UD Kap wrote:
>Pavel, I think you are getting close-- the line says:** \origin
>unavailable
> 
>What now?

Unfortunately no, this was not fruitful direction, that value is pretty normal.
Can you answer my other questions (see below)?

> Reading one more time the original report, I have two additional questions:
> - when you say that you return to your presentation day(s) later does it mean
>   that LyX was running the whole time or you launch LyX anew?
> 
> - you report the error "cannot determine the size of the graphics..".
>   But if you click on that image and check in the dialog field "File:"
>   do you still see correct path or is it lost?

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Re: Paths forgotten?

[Kornel Benko]

Am Wed, 6 May 2020 12:45:34 -0400
schrieb UD Kap :

> On 5/5/20 5:35 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 11:42:34AM -0400, UD Kap wrote:
> >Pavel-- All the image files are on my disk-- none of them are on a 
> > network
> >>drive or cloud.
> >> 
> > Strange. But OK, another shot in the dark:
> > 
> > If you open lyx file in some plain text editor (like vim/notepad/...)
> > and you look at the header, you should see line starting with "\origin"?
> > What does the whole line says?
> > 
> > Pavel
> > 
> 
> Pavel, I think you are getting close-- the line says:   \origin unavailable
> 
> What now?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> E, Kaplan
> 

That is normal. Now check the paths (in the lyx file) please.
(Lines like
\begin_inset Graphics
filename xx
...
\end_inset
)

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Re: Paths forgotten?

[UD Kap]

  
  

On 5/5/20 5:35 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:


  On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 11:42:34AM -0400, UD Kap wrote:

  
   Pavel-- All the image files are on my disk-- none of them are on a network
   drive or cloud.

  
  
Strange. But OK, another shot in the dark:

If you open lyx file in some plain text editor (like vim/notepad/...)
and you look at the header, you should see line starting with "\origin"?
What does the whole line says?

Pavel




Pavel, I think you are getting close-- the line says:   \origin
  unavailable
What now?
Thanks,
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Re: Paths forgotten?

[Paul A. Rubin]

On 5/5/20 5:35 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:

On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 11:42:34AM -0400, UD Kap wrote:

Pavel-- All the image files are on my disk-- none of them are on a network
drive or cloud.

Strange. But OK, another shot in the dark:

If you open lyx file in some plain text editor (like vim/notepad/...)
and you look at the header, you should see line starting with "\origin"?
What does the whole line says?

Pavel

Pavel,

For what it's worth, I created a small test file (on Linux Mint) with a 
single image and saved it. The \origin line you asked about says 
"\origin unavailable". The lines inserting the image read


\begin_inset Graphics
    filename /home/paul/Documents/OSS License.png

\end_inset

and the image loads properly when I open the document. Now we need Ehud 
to give a similar reply, to which we can compare this.


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Re: Paths forgotten?

[Pavel Sanda]

On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 11:44:35AM -0700, John White wrote:
> I think this (forgetting paths) is a very common problem.

Can you show some recipy how to reproduce the problem?
I don't experience anything like this.

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Re: Paths forgotten?

[Pavel Sanda]

On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 11:35:34PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 11:42:34AM -0400, UD Kap wrote:
> >Pavel-- All the image files are on my disk-- none of them are on a 
> > network
> >drive or cloud.
> 
> Strange. But OK, another shot in the dark:
> 
> If you open lyx file in some plain text editor (like vim/notepad/...)
> and you look at the header, you should see line starting with "\origin"?
> What does the whole line says?

Reading one more time the original report, I have two additional questions:
- when you say that you return to your presentation day(s) later does it mean
  that LyX was running the whole time or you launch LyX anew?

- you report the error "cannot determine the size of the graphics..".
  But if you click on that image and check in the dialog field "File:"
  do you still see correct path or is it lost?

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Re: Paths forgotten?

[Pavel Sanda]

On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 11:42:34AM -0400, UD Kap wrote:
>Pavel-- All the image files are on my disk-- none of them are on a network
>drive or cloud.

Strange. But OK, another shot in the dark:

If you open lyx file in some plain text editor (like vim/notepad/...)
and you look at the header, you should see line starting with "\origin"?
What does the whole line says?

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Re: Paths forgotten?

[John White]

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 9:27:22 AM PDT Kornel Benko wrote:
> Am Tue, 5 May 2020 12:23:50 -0400
> 
> schrieb "Paul A. Rubin" :
> > On 5/5/20 12:11 PM, Kornel Benko wrote:
> > > Am Tue, 5 May 2020 11:42:34 -0400
> > > 
> > > schrieb UD Kap :
> > >> Kornel-- I always start the lyx file from the directory where the file
> > >> is (I simply click on the lyx file in the file manager).
> > > 
> > > Interesting. Mine file-manager does _not_ start lyx so that the working
> > > directory would change with the .lyx-file position.
> > > 
> > >   Kornel
> > 
> > I'm using LyX 2.3.4.2 on Mint (similar setup to Ehud, although I'm using
> > Mint 18.3 rather than 19.3 and MATE rather than XFCE), and I confirm
> > that when I start LyX by double-clicking a .lyx file, the LyX working
> > directory is the directory where the file lives. I can't reproduce the
> > problem with graphics paths, though. When I insert a graphic from
> > outside the working directory, LyX records the absolute path in the .lyx
> > file.
> > 
> > Paul
> 
> OK, so my previous question about stored image-paths, is still pending.
> 
> >> Could you check, if the correct (absolute) path is stored in the
> >> lyx-file?
> 
>   Kornel

I think this (forgetting paths) is a very common problem.  Perhaps someone 
could 
show us exactly how our paths should be set up. Or, alternatively, a good 
explanation of all this would be helpful

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Re: Paths forgotten?

[Kornel Benko]

Am Tue, 5 May 2020 12:23:50 -0400
schrieb "Paul A. Rubin" :

> On 5/5/20 12:11 PM, Kornel Benko wrote:
> > Am Tue, 5 May 2020 11:42:34 -0400
> > schrieb UD Kap :
> >  
> >> Kornel-- I always start the lyx file from the directory where the file is 
> >> (I simply
> >> click on the lyx file in the file manager).  
> >
> > Interesting. Mine file-manager does _not_ start lyx so that the working 
> > directory
> > would change with the .lyx-file position.
> >
> > Kornel
> >  
> I'm using LyX 2.3.4.2 on Mint (similar setup to Ehud, although I'm using 
> Mint 18.3 rather than 19.3 and MATE rather than XFCE), and I confirm 
> that when I start LyX by double-clicking a .lyx file, the LyX working 
> directory is the directory where the file lives. I can't reproduce the 
> problem with graphics paths, though. When I insert a graphic from 
> outside the working directory, LyX records the absolute path in the .lyx 
> file.
> 
> Paul
> 

OK, so my previous question about stored image-paths, is still pending.

>> Could you check, if the correct (absolute) path is stored in the lyx-file?

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Re: Paths forgotten?

[Paul A. Rubin]

On 5/5/20 12:11 PM, Kornel Benko wrote:

Am Tue, 5 May 2020 11:42:34 -0400
schrieb UD Kap :


Kornel-- I always start the lyx file from the directory where the file is (I 
simply
click on the lyx file in the file manager).


Interesting. Mine file-manager does _not_ start lyx so that the working 
directory would
change with the .lyx-file position.

Kornel

I'm using LyX 2.3.4.2 on Mint (similar setup to Ehud, although I'm using 
Mint 18.3 rather than 19.3 and MATE rather than XFCE), and I confirm 
that when I start LyX by double-clicking a .lyx file, the LyX working 
directory is the directory where the file lives. I can't reproduce the 
problem with graphics paths, though. When I insert a graphic from 
outside the working directory, LyX records the absolute path in the .lyx 
file.


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Re: Paths forgotten?

[Kornel Benko]

Am Tue, 5 May 2020 11:42:34 -0400
schrieb UD Kap :

> > 
> 
> Kornel-- I always start the lyx file from the directory where the file is (I 
> simply
> click on the lyx file in the file manager).


Interesting. Mine file-manager does _not_ start lyx so that the working 
directory would
change with the .lyx-file position.

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Re: Paths forgotten?

[UD Kap]

  
  



On 5/5/20 8:36 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann
  wrote:


  
  
  Am 05.05.20 um 13:05 schrieb UD Kap:
  
  I have a Lyx/Beamer presentation which
compiles just fine. However, when I return to it a day later, I
get numerous errors "cannot determine the size of the
graphics..".  It seems that the connections to the images that
are not in the same directory as the Lyx presentation are lost,
and I have to click on the image place-holder in the Lyx file,
navigate to the correct place in the directory where the image
files are stored, and click OK.  For the remainder of that
editing session, everything works fine, but when I return a day
or two later, I have to do it all over again.


   What am I doing wrong?  The images that are in the same
directory where the Lyx file is are fine, but the others are
elsewhere.  Since some of them I use often, I don't want to keep
copies of them for every presentation I prepare.  How do I make
the paths to the other directories remembered across editing
sessions?


Thanks,


E. Kaplan



  
  What if you put your lyx file into the folder where your graphic
  is?
  
  What is the path of your graphics?
  
  Wolfgang
  



Kornel-- I always start the lyx file from the directory
  where the file is (I simply click on the lyx file in the file
  manager).
Pavel-- All the image files are on my disk-- none
  of them are on a network drive or cloud.
Wolfgang-- As I said in my post, some of the image files
  are in the same directory as the lyx file.  Lyx finds those
  without a problem.  The problem arises only with image files that
  are in other directories.  The path to those directories is what
  is forgotten between editing sessions (or perhaps reboot).
   BTW- I am running Lyx 2.3.4.2 on Linux/Mint/XFCE 19.3, but I
  have the same problem running under Windows 10.

   Thanks for trying to help.
E. Kaplan





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Re: Paths forgotten?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Am 05.05.20 um 13:05 schrieb UD Kap:
I have a Lyx/Beamer presentation which compiles just fine. However, when 
I return to it a day later, I get numerous errors "cannot determine the 
size of the graphics..".  It seems that the connections to the images 
that are not in the same directory as the Lyx presentation are lost, and 
I have to click on the image place-holder in the Lyx file, navigate to 
the correct place in the directory where the image files are stored, and 
click OK.  For the remainder of that editing session, everything works 
fine, but when I return a day or two later, I have to do it all over again.


   What am I doing wrong?  The images that are in the same directory 
where the Lyx file is are fine, but the others are elsewhere.  Since 
some of them I use often, I don't want to keep copies of them for every 
presentation I prepare.  How do I make the paths to the other 
directories remembered across editing sessions?


Thanks,

E. Kaplan



What if you put your lyx file into the folder where your graphic is?
What is the path of your graphics?
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Re: Paths forgotten?

[Pavel Sanda]

On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 07:05:33AM -0400, UD Kap wrote:
>How do I make the paths to the other directories
>remembered across editing sessions?

This should work just fine.
Isn't possible that you have thos figures on some networked drive
and connection hangs meanwhile or something of that sort?

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Re: Paths forgotten?

[Kornel Benko]

Am Tue, 5 May 2020 07:05:33 -0400
schrieb UD Kap :

> I have a Lyx/Beamer presentation which compiles just fine.  However, when I 
> return to
> it a day later, I get numerous errors "cannot determine the size of the 
> graphics..".
> It seems that the connections to the images that are not in the same 
> directory as the
> Lyx presentation are lost, and I have to click on the image place-holder in 
> the Lyx
> file, navigate to the correct place in the directory where the image files 
> are stored,
> and click OK.  For the remainder of that editing session, everything works 
> fine, but
> when I return a day or two later, I have to do it all over again.
> 
>   What am I doing wrong?  The images that are in the same directory where 
> the Lyx
> file is are fine, but the others are elsewhere.  Since some of them I use 
> often, I
> don't want to keep copies of them for every presentation I prepare.  How do I 
> make the
> paths to the other directories remembered across editing sessions?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> E. Kaplan
> 
> 

Could you check, if the correct (absolute) path is stored in the lyx-file?
Do you refer to lyx2.3.?
Do you start lyx always from the same directory (in case the paths are stored 
relative)?

I don't see that you are doing anything wrong.

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Paths forgotten?

[UD Kap]

  
  
I have a Lyx/Beamer presentation which compiles just fine. 
  However, when I return to it a day later, I get numerous errors
  "cannot determine the size of the graphics..".  It seems that the
  connections to the images that are not in the same directory as
  the Lyx presentation are lost, and I have to click on the image
  place-holder in the Lyx file, navigate to the correct place in the
  directory where the image files are stored, and click OK.  For the
  remainder of that editing session, everything works fine, but when
  I return a day or two later, I have to do it all over again.
  What am I doing wrong?  The images that are in the same
  directory where the Lyx file is are fine, but the others are
  elsewhere.  Since some of them I use often, I don't want to keep
  copies of them for every presentation I prepare.  How do I make
  the paths to the other directories remembered across editing
  sessions?
Thanks,
E. Kaplan



  

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