Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
Gerasimos Grammatikopoulos wrote: Alright, I'm going crazy... I created my own kmap and a modified iso-8859.cdef under .lyx/kbd where greek characters were stated for what they are (that is TYPED as greek chars). I load lyx and behold, lyx types greek chars on-screen when the language is defined as greek. Unfortunately, it also types english in greek... thus I have only managed to revert the problem, not solve it. I then press - by error, instead of preferences - reconfigure and, behold^2, Lyx no more cares about my greek modifications. I re-reverted the problem while the mods that originally reverted it are still present!!! So, I feel obliged to ask this: WTF?!!??? As John says: switching encodings in Qt-LyX will not work. If you want to do this, you'll have to use xforms-LyX. Things will change once LyX uses unicode internally (slated for the current development cycle.) Anyone got some ideas and a couple of tranquilisers? -- Angus
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
Gerasimos Grammatikopoulos wrote: Alright, I'm going crazy... I created my own kmap and a modified iso-8859.cdef under .lyx/kbd where greek characters were stated for what they are (that is TYPED as greek chars). I load lyx and behold, lyx types greek chars on-screen when the language is defined as greek. Unfortunately, it also types english in greek... thus I have only managed to revert the problem, not solve it. I then press - by error, instead of preferences - reconfigure and, behold^2, Lyx no more cares about my greek modifications. I re-reverted the problem while the mods that originally reverted it are still present!!! So, I feel obliged to ask this: WTF?!!??? As John says: switching encodings in Qt-LyX will not work. If you want to do this, you'll have to use xforms-LyX. Things will change once LyX uses unicode internally (slated for the current development cycle.) Anyone got some ideas and a couple of tranquilisers? -- Angus
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
Alright, I'm going crazy... I created my own kmap and a modified iso-8859.cdef under .lyx/kbd where greek characters were stated for what they are (that is TYPED as greek chars). I load lyx and behold, lyx types greek chars on-screen when the language is defined as greek. Unfortunately, it also types english in greek... thus I have only managed to revert the problem, not solve it. I then press - by error, instead of preferences - reconfigure and, behold^2, Lyx no more cares about my greek modifications. I re-reverted the problem while the mods that originally reverted it are still present!!! So, I feel obliged to ask this: WTF?!!??? Anyone got some ideas and a couple of tranquilisers?
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
Gerasimos Grammatikopoulos wrote: > Alright, I'm going crazy... > I created my own kmap and a modified iso-8859.cdef under .lyx/kbd where > greek characters were stated for what they are (that is TYPED as greek > chars). I load lyx and behold, lyx types greek chars on-screen when the > language is defined as greek. Unfortunately, it also types english in > greek... thus I have only managed to revert the problem, not solve it. I > then press - by error, instead of preferences - reconfigure and, behold^2, > Lyx no more cares about my greek modifications. I re-reverted the problem > while the mods that originally reverted it are still present!!! > > So, I feel obliged to ask this: WTF?!!??? As John says: switching encodings in Qt-LyX will not work. If you want to do this, you'll have to use xforms-LyX. Things will change once LyX uses unicode internally (slated for the current development cycle.) > Anyone got some ideas and a couple of tranquilisers? -- Angus
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
Sorry for the late response, I was away in a conference and e-mailing was at least problematic. So to offer some answers, 1) Obviously because I tried it and it did not work... I also think it's unrelated since other qt-based apps (like this very kmail for example) have no problems handling iso8859-7 encodings. On Saturday 15 February 2003 21:08, John Levon wrote: On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 03:46:57PM +, John Levon wrote: Qt is seriously broken. What version are you using, what distro ? I have just built LyX against Qt 3.1.1 release... I use gentoo 1.4-rc1 (kept updated anyway) with qt-3.1.0-rc3. I will try updating qt and rebuild lyx and keep you people informed. I get, on RH8.0, LANG=el_GR, Qt 3.0.5, xmodmapping F10 to Greek_sigma : Note that my version of Qt correctly realises that it can be encoded in 8859-7. However, I get a completely messed up output (square box instead of anything useful). ...and it works perfectly. I suggest you download Qt 3.1.1, build that, then build LyX against that Qt. regards, john
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 03:17:49PM +0100, Gerasimos Grammatikopoulos wrote: 1) Obviously because I tried it and it did not work... I also think it's unrelated since other qt-based apps (like this very kmail for example) have no problems handling iso8859-7 encodings. It is not unrelated. LyX is not properly unicoded yet, so this stuff can affect behaviour a lot regards john
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
Sorry for the late response, I was away in a conference and e-mailing was at least problematic. So to offer some answers, 1) Obviously because I tried it and it did not work... I also think it's unrelated since other qt-based apps (like this very kmail for example) have no problems handling iso8859-7 encodings. On Saturday 15 February 2003 21:08, John Levon wrote: On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 03:46:57PM +, John Levon wrote: Qt is seriously broken. What version are you using, what distro ? I have just built LyX against Qt 3.1.1 release... I use gentoo 1.4-rc1 (kept updated anyway) with qt-3.1.0-rc3. I will try updating qt and rebuild lyx and keep you people informed. I get, on RH8.0, LANG=el_GR, Qt 3.0.5, xmodmapping F10 to Greek_sigma : Note that my version of Qt correctly realises that it can be encoded in 8859-7. However, I get a completely messed up output (square box instead of anything useful). ...and it works perfectly. I suggest you download Qt 3.1.1, build that, then build LyX against that Qt. regards, john
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 03:17:49PM +0100, Gerasimos Grammatikopoulos wrote: 1) Obviously because I tried it and it did not work... I also think it's unrelated since other qt-based apps (like this very kmail for example) have no problems handling iso8859-7 encodings. It is not unrelated. LyX is not properly unicoded yet, so this stuff can affect behaviour a lot regards john
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
Sorry for the late response, I was away in a conference and e-mailing was at least problematic. So to offer some answers, 1) "Obviously" because I tried it and it did not work... I also think it's unrelated since other qt-based apps (like this very kmail for example) have no problems handling iso8859-7 encodings. On Saturday 15 February 2003 21:08, John Levon wrote: > On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 03:46:57PM +, John Levon wrote: > > Qt is seriously broken. What version are you using, what distro ? > I have just built LyX against Qt 3.1.1 release... I use gentoo 1.4-rc1 (kept updated anyway) with qt-3.1.0-rc3. I will try updating qt and rebuild lyx and keep you people informed. > > I get, on RH8.0, LANG=el_GR, Qt 3.0.5, xmodmapping F10 to Greek_sigma : > > > > Note that my version of Qt correctly realises that it can be encoded in > > 8859-7. However, I get a completely messed up output (square box instead > > of anything useful). > > ...and it works perfectly. I suggest you download Qt 3.1.1, build that, > then build LyX against that Qt. > > regards, > john
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 03:17:49PM +0100, Gerasimos Grammatikopoulos wrote: > 1) "Obviously" because I tried it and it did not work... I also think it's > unrelated since other qt-based apps (like this very kmail for example) have > no problems handling iso8859-7 encodings. It is not unrelated. LyX is not properly unicoded yet, so this stuff can affect behaviour a lot regards john
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 04:10:51PM +0100, Gerasimos Grammatikopoulos wrote: Well, all other X apps work fine, and so does Lyx if the document language is set to english. Exporting LANG=el_GR before loading lyx obviously does not help... Obviously ? Press key 0 text ó, ascii 243 Setting key to 0, ó KeySym is ó isOK is 1 isMod is 0 encoding is iso8859-7 Using codec ISO 8859-7 Oof. Can't encode the text ! Qt is seriously broken. What version are you using, what distro ? I get, on RH8.0, LANG=el_GR, Qt 3.0.5, xmodmapping F10 to Greek_sigma : Press key 65535 text ó, ascii 243 Setting key to 65535, ó KeySym is ó isOK is 1 isMod is 0 encoding is iso8859-7 Using codec ISO 8859-7 ISOEncoded returning value 243 action first set to [-1] action now set to [-1] Key [action=-1][ó] isText for key 65535 isPrint is 1 isText() is true, inserting. Cannot decode: ó SelfInsert arg[`'] Note that my version of Qt correctly realises that it can be encoded in 8859-7. However, I get a completely messed up output (square box instead of anything useful). Smae goes for LANG=el_GR konsole This is very much a Qt problem that we can do nothing about, as far as I can see. Reading the iso-8859-7.cdef in /usr/share/lyx/kbd, the ASCII code 243 is I don't believe that file is relevant to Qt LyX. john
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 03:46:57PM +, John Levon wrote: Qt is seriously broken. What version are you using, what distro ? I have just built LyX against Qt 3.1.1 release... I get, on RH8.0, LANG=el_GR, Qt 3.0.5, xmodmapping F10 to Greek_sigma : Note that my version of Qt correctly realises that it can be encoded in 8859-7. However, I get a completely messed up output (square box instead of anything useful). ...and it works perfectly. I suggest you download Qt 3.1.1, build that, then build LyX against that Qt. regards, john
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 04:10:51PM +0100, Gerasimos Grammatikopoulos wrote: Well, all other X apps work fine, and so does Lyx if the document language is set to english. Exporting LANG=el_GR before loading lyx obviously does not help... Obviously ? Press key 0 text ó, ascii 243 Setting key to 0, ó KeySym is ó isOK is 1 isMod is 0 encoding is iso8859-7 Using codec ISO 8859-7 Oof. Can't encode the text ! Qt is seriously broken. What version are you using, what distro ? I get, on RH8.0, LANG=el_GR, Qt 3.0.5, xmodmapping F10 to Greek_sigma : Press key 65535 text ó, ascii 243 Setting key to 65535, ó KeySym is ó isOK is 1 isMod is 0 encoding is iso8859-7 Using codec ISO 8859-7 ISOEncoded returning value 243 action first set to [-1] action now set to [-1] Key [action=-1][ó] isText for key 65535 isPrint is 1 isText() is true, inserting. Cannot decode: ó SelfInsert arg[`'] Note that my version of Qt correctly realises that it can be encoded in 8859-7. However, I get a completely messed up output (square box instead of anything useful). Smae goes for LANG=el_GR konsole This is very much a Qt problem that we can do nothing about, as far as I can see. Reading the iso-8859-7.cdef in /usr/share/lyx/kbd, the ASCII code 243 is I don't believe that file is relevant to Qt LyX. john
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 03:46:57PM +, John Levon wrote: Qt is seriously broken. What version are you using, what distro ? I have just built LyX against Qt 3.1.1 release... I get, on RH8.0, LANG=el_GR, Qt 3.0.5, xmodmapping F10 to Greek_sigma : Note that my version of Qt correctly realises that it can be encoded in 8859-7. However, I get a completely messed up output (square box instead of anything useful). ...and it works perfectly. I suggest you download Qt 3.1.1, build that, then build LyX against that Qt. regards, john
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 04:10:51PM +0100, Gerasimos Grammatikopoulos wrote: > Well, all other X apps work fine, and so does Lyx if the document language is > set to english. Exporting LANG="el_GR" before loading lyx obviously does not > help... Obviously ? > Press key 0 text "ó", ascii "243" > Setting key to 0, ó > KeySym is ó > isOK is 1 > isMod is 0 > encoding is iso8859-7 > Using codec ISO 8859-7 > Oof. Can't encode the text ! Qt is seriously broken. What version are you using, what distro ? I get, on RH8.0, LANG=el_GR, Qt 3.0.5, xmodmapping F10 to Greek_sigma : Press key 65535 text "ó", ascii "243" Setting key to 65535, ó KeySym is ó isOK is 1 isMod is 0 encoding is iso8859-7 Using codec ISO 8859-7 ISOEncoded returning value 243 action first set to [-1] action now set to [-1] Key [action=-1][ó] isText for key 65535 isPrint is 1 isText() is true, inserting. Cannot decode: ó SelfInsert arg[`'] Note that my version of Qt correctly realises that it can be encoded in 8859-7. However, I get a completely messed up output (square box instead of anything useful). Smae goes for LANG=el_GR konsole This is very much a Qt problem that we can do nothing about, as far as I can see. > Reading the iso-8859-7.cdef in /usr/share/lyx/kbd, the ASCII code 243 is I don't believe that file is relevant to Qt LyX. john
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 03:46:57PM +, John Levon wrote: > Qt is seriously broken. What version are you using, what distro ? I have just built LyX against Qt 3.1.1 release... > I get, on RH8.0, LANG=el_GR, Qt 3.0.5, xmodmapping F10 to Greek_sigma : > > Note that my version of Qt correctly realises that it can be encoded in > 8859-7. However, I get a completely messed up output (square box instead > of anything useful). ...and it works perfectly. I suggest you download Qt 3.1.1, build that, then build LyX against that Qt. regards, john
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 03:18:48PM +0100, Gerasimos Grammatikopoulos wrote: I recently installed Lyx 1.3 with qt on a Gentoo 1.4-rc1 box with the intention to produce documents among others also in greek (that is not using While the .dvi produced looks ok I cannot type on Lyx using the greek keymap, thus I'm forced to type the document in latin chars (a method known as greekglish and quite confusing and error-prone). To be noted that I have changed the on-screen fonts in a greek set and that if the english language is selected, the greek on screen chars are typed in lyx (without ofcourse resulting in sensible chars in the dvi, since the language in TeX is set on a latin encoding). This is quite strange since all other apps, including kile - a less intuitive latex editor - using appropriate fonts accept input with the greek keymap. What is your $LANG set to ? You may have to set it to greek to enter the text (this is an X/Qt thing not LyX's). Is the language set to greek for the document ? Can you give the output you get with lyx -dbg key after you type a character ? Can you give a small example output document, and further explain what you mean by cannot type on Lyx ? john
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
On Friday 14 February 2003 15:43, John Levon wrote: What is your $LANG set to ? You may have to set it to greek to enter the text (this is an X/Qt thing not LyX's). Well, all other X apps work fine, and so does Lyx if the document language is set to english. Exporting LANG=el_GR before loading lyx obviously does not help... Is the language set to greek for the document ? Yes Can you give the output you get with lyx -dbg key after you type a character ? Can you give a small example output document, and further This is the output of the debugger when I press ó (sigma) * Press key 0 text ó, ascii 243 Setting key to 0, ó KeySym is ó isOK is 1 isMod is 0 encoding is iso8859-7 Using codec ISO 8859-7 Oof. Can't encode the text ! ISOEncoded returning value 0 action first set to [-1] action now set to [-1] Key [action=-1][ó] isText for key 0 isPrint is 1 isText() is true, inserting. *** While the output for pressing s (that is using the latin keymap) is: ** Press key 83 text s, ascii 115 Setting key to 83, s KeySym is s isOK is 1 isMod is 0 encoding is iso8859-7 Using codec ISO 8859-7 ISOEncoded returning value 115 action first set to [88] action now set to [88] Key [action=88][s] Cannot decode: s SelfInsert arg[`'] ** Reading the iso-8859-7.cdef in /usr/share/lyx/kbd, the ASCII code 243 is mapped to s... Should it be mapped to the actual ó instead (as well as all other greek chars substituting the latin ones)? explain what you mean by cannot type on Lyx ? When I shift my keyboard to greek, Lyx does not capture the keypresses... it ignores whatever I type. If I shift back to a latin keymap, it works perfectly (the dvi appears correctly with greek chars). While this can be acceptable for a few symbols (e.g. typing p to get a pi on the output) writing an entire document like that is definately a torture. Hope this helps...
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
Gerasimos Grammatikopoulos wrote: explain what you mean by cannot type on Lyx ? When I shift my keyboard to greek, Lyx does not capture the keypresses... it ignores whatever I type. If I shift back to a latin keymap, it works perfectly (the dvi appears correctly with greek chars). While this can be acceptable for a few symbols (e.g. typing p to get a pi on the output) writing an entire document like that is definately a torture. Just to be sure: do you have the language of document switched to Greek? Matj -- Matej Cepl, Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC 138 Highland Ave. #10, Somerville, Ma 02143, (617) 623-1488 In those days spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri. -- Douglas Adams
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 03:18:48PM +0100, Gerasimos Grammatikopoulos wrote: I recently installed Lyx 1.3 with qt on a Gentoo 1.4-rc1 box with the intention to produce documents among others also in greek (that is not using While the .dvi produced looks ok I cannot type on Lyx using the greek keymap, thus I'm forced to type the document in latin chars (a method known as greekglish and quite confusing and error-prone). To be noted that I have changed the on-screen fonts in a greek set and that if the english language is selected, the greek on screen chars are typed in lyx (without ofcourse resulting in sensible chars in the dvi, since the language in TeX is set on a latin encoding). This is quite strange since all other apps, including kile - a less intuitive latex editor - using appropriate fonts accept input with the greek keymap. What is your $LANG set to ? You may have to set it to greek to enter the text (this is an X/Qt thing not LyX's). Is the language set to greek for the document ? Can you give the output you get with lyx -dbg key after you type a character ? Can you give a small example output document, and further explain what you mean by cannot type on Lyx ? john
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
On Friday 14 February 2003 15:43, John Levon wrote: What is your $LANG set to ? You may have to set it to greek to enter the text (this is an X/Qt thing not LyX's). Well, all other X apps work fine, and so does Lyx if the document language is set to english. Exporting LANG=el_GR before loading lyx obviously does not help... Is the language set to greek for the document ? Yes Can you give the output you get with lyx -dbg key after you type a character ? Can you give a small example output document, and further This is the output of the debugger when I press ó (sigma) * Press key 0 text ó, ascii 243 Setting key to 0, ó KeySym is ó isOK is 1 isMod is 0 encoding is iso8859-7 Using codec ISO 8859-7 Oof. Can't encode the text ! ISOEncoded returning value 0 action first set to [-1] action now set to [-1] Key [action=-1][ó] isText for key 0 isPrint is 1 isText() is true, inserting. *** While the output for pressing s (that is using the latin keymap) is: ** Press key 83 text s, ascii 115 Setting key to 83, s KeySym is s isOK is 1 isMod is 0 encoding is iso8859-7 Using codec ISO 8859-7 ISOEncoded returning value 115 action first set to [88] action now set to [88] Key [action=88][s] Cannot decode: s SelfInsert arg[`'] ** Reading the iso-8859-7.cdef in /usr/share/lyx/kbd, the ASCII code 243 is mapped to s... Should it be mapped to the actual ó instead (as well as all other greek chars substituting the latin ones)? explain what you mean by cannot type on Lyx ? When I shift my keyboard to greek, Lyx does not capture the keypresses... it ignores whatever I type. If I shift back to a latin keymap, it works perfectly (the dvi appears correctly with greek chars). While this can be acceptable for a few symbols (e.g. typing p to get a pi on the output) writing an entire document like that is definately a torture. Hope this helps...
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
Gerasimos Grammatikopoulos wrote: explain what you mean by cannot type on Lyx ? When I shift my keyboard to greek, Lyx does not capture the keypresses... it ignores whatever I type. If I shift back to a latin keymap, it works perfectly (the dvi appears correctly with greek chars). While this can be acceptable for a few symbols (e.g. typing p to get a pi on the output) writing an entire document like that is definately a torture. Just to be sure: do you have the language of document switched to Greek? Matj -- Matej Cepl, Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC 138 Highland Ave. #10, Somerville, Ma 02143, (617) 623-1488 In those days spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri. -- Douglas Adams
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 03:18:48PM +0100, Gerasimos Grammatikopoulos wrote: > I recently installed Lyx 1.3 with qt on a Gentoo 1.4-rc1 box with the > intention to produce documents among others also in greek (that is not using > While the .dvi produced looks ok I cannot type on Lyx using the greek keymap, > thus I'm forced to type the document in latin chars (a method known as > "greekglish" and quite confusing and error-prone). To be noted that I have > changed the on-screen fonts in a greek set and that if the english language > is selected, the greek on screen chars are typed in lyx (without ofcourse > resulting in sensible chars in the dvi, since the language in TeX is set on a > latin encoding). This is quite strange since all other apps, including kile - > a "less intuitive" latex editor - using appropriate fonts accept input with > the greek keymap. What is your $LANG set to ? You may have to set it to greek to enter the text (this is an X/Qt thing not LyX's). Is the language set to greek for the document ? Can you give the output you get with lyx -dbg key after you type a character ? Can you give a small example output document, and further explain what you mean by "cannot type on Lyx" ? john
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
On Friday 14 February 2003 15:43, John Levon wrote:
> What is your $LANG set to ? You may have to set it to greek to enter the
> text (this is an X/Qt thing not LyX's).
Well, all other X apps work fine, and so does Lyx if the document language is
set to english. Exporting LANG="el_GR" before loading lyx obviously does not
help...
> Is the language set to greek for
> the document ?
Yes
> Can you give the output you get with lyx -dbg key after you type a
> character ? Can you give a small example output document, and further
This is the output of the debugger when I press "ó" ("sigma")
*
Press key 0 text "ó", ascii "243"
Setting key to 0, ó
KeySym is ó
isOK is 1
isMod is 0
encoding is iso8859-7
Using codec ISO 8859-7
Oof. Can't encode the text !
ISOEncoded returning value 0
action first set to [-1]
action now set to [-1]
Key [action=-1][ó]
isText for key 0 isPrint is 1
isText() is true, inserting.
***
While the output for pressing "s" (that is using the latin keymap) is:
**
Press key 83 text "s", ascii "115"
Setting key to 83, s
KeySym is s
isOK is 1
isMod is 0
encoding is iso8859-7
Using codec ISO 8859-7
ISOEncoded returning value 115
action first set to [88]
action now set to [88]
Key [action=88][s]
Cannot decode: s
SelfInsert arg[`']
**
Reading the iso-8859-7.cdef in /usr/share/lyx/kbd, the ASCII code 243 is
mapped to "s"... Should it be mapped to the actual "ó" instead (as well as
all other greek chars substituting the latin ones)?
> explain what you mean by "cannot type on Lyx" ?
When I shift my keyboard to greek, Lyx does not "capture" the keypresses... it
ignores whatever I type. If I shift back to a latin keymap, it works
perfectly (the dvi appears correctly with greek chars). While this can be
acceptable for a few symbols (e.g. typing "p" to get a "pi" on the output)
writing an entire document like that is definately a torture.
Hope this helps...
Re: greek documents chores in Lyx
Gerasimos Grammatikopoulos wrote: > > explain what you mean by "cannot type on Lyx" ? > When I shift my keyboard to greek, Lyx does not "capture" the > keypresses... it ignores whatever I type. If I shift back to > a latin keymap, it works perfectly (the dvi appears correctly > with greek chars). While this can be acceptable for a few > symbols (e.g. typing "p" to get a "pi" on the output) writing > an entire document like that is definately a torture. Just to be sure: do you have the language of document switched to Greek? Matj -- Matej Cepl, Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC 138 Highland Ave. #10, Somerville, Ma 02143, (617) 623-1488 In those days spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri. -- Douglas Adams
