Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

 Paul == Paul Tremblay [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Paul The appearance of my font in LyX looks like crumbled cookes. It
Paul is hard to make out an exclamation point.

Two solutions:

- make sure that in EditPreferenceLookFeelScreen fonts, you have
  unchecked 'rescale bitmap fonts'. This will ensure that you only use
  hand-drawn bitmap fonts, which look much better than scaled PS fonts

or

- make the microsoft times new roman and arial fonts available to your
  X system and configure lyx to use them. These are some of the few good
  quality scalable screen fonts I know of

JMarc



Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread Steve Litt

If you're using Mandrake, especially 7.2, 8.0, or 8.1, their default font 
setup is terrible. Here's a workaround:

http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/cookiecrumbfonts.htm

Steve

_
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Author: 
  * Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware
  * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist
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On Wednesday 09 October 2002 11:35 pm, Paul Tremblay wrote:
 The appearance of my font in LyX looks like crumbled cookes. It is hard
 to make out an exclamation point.

 I searched through the LyX archives, and found that your screen font is
 determined by the Lyxrc file. I also found that I could get font info if
 I ran 'lyx -dbg font'. I did this, and this is my output:

 lyx -dbg font
 Setting debug level to font
 Debugging `font' (Font handling)
 Find a free buffer.
 Using scalable font to get
 -urw-times-medium-r-normal--13-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1
 Font 'Roman, Medium, Upright, Normal, Language: English' matched by
 -urw-times-medium-r-normal--13-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1
 LyX: X11 color linen allocated for background
 LyX: X11 color grey40 allocated for bottom area
 LyX: X11 color black allocated for cursor
 LyX: X11 color black allocated for text

 Let me also add that other applications on my linux box look fine. For
 example, vim and KDE Word both appear fine. Abiword, however, looks just
 like LyX--it has that crumbled cookie look.

 How do I add a nice font to my lyxrc file to get the screen font to look
 readable?

 Thanks

 Paul






[OT] Linux fonts was Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread Peter Clark

Quoting Paul Tremblay [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Fonts are always a mystery in linux, especially when I have used a
 Macintosh my whole life. (In a Macintosh,  you simply drag a font to a
 folder, and voila! You have the font available for printing and
 viewing.)

Tangentally off-topic, but KDE has a built in control-module that handles
font installation. It's not quite as simple as drag-and-drop, (you just have to
tell it where the font you want to install is located...come to think of it,
maybe it does do drag-and-drop, I haven't checked), but it is many orders of
magnitude better than moving the font file to the right directory, running the
scripts, and restarting the X server. Don't know about GNOME, someone will speak
up if this is the case as well.
Moving closer to topicality, the problem with LaTeX (and LyX by inheritance)
is its complicated font management system, which is separate from X (of course)
and something that will probably never be streamlined.

 On my linux box, I was able to get a much more readable font by tweaking
 the zoom and Screen DPI in the LyX - Edit - Preferences - Screen Fonts.

I hope that when the QT frontend is released that it will automatically
detect the default fonts used on the desktop and use those as the screen fonts.
Sure, leave in the option to change the font, but at least have it default to
the user's desktop preferences.
:Peter



Re: [OT] Linux fonts was Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread Andre Poenitz

On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 12:18:30PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote:
 tell it where the font you want to install is located...come to think of
 it, maybe it does do drag-and-drop, I haven't checked), but it is many
 orders of magnitude better than moving the font file to the right
 directory, running the scripts, and restarting the X server.

Given  'xset +fp path' and 'xset fp rehash' restarting the X server should
never be needed.

Andre'

-- 
Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security,
will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)



Re: [OT] Linux fonts was Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread John Levon

On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 12:18:30PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote:

 Moving closer to topicality, the problem with LaTeX (and LyX by inheritance)
 is its complicated font management system, which is separate from X (of course)
 and something that will probably never be streamlined.

Installing a font on RH8 means dropping the font in $HOME/.fonts

There is also fontconfig

 I hope that when the QT frontend is released that it will automatically
 detect the default fonts used on the desktop and use those as the screen fonts.

Yes. If Qt is set up for it, you get anti-aliased fonts for free too.

john

-- 
Everything in the world runs through Birmingham, and 
gets stuck on New Street.
- Brian Marsden



Re: [OT] Linux fonts was Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread Dekel Tsur

On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 06:23:21PM +0100, John Levon wrote:
 
 Installing a font on RH8 means dropping the font in $HOME/.fonts
 
 There is also fontconfig
   

RH8 uses fontconfig.

 Yes. If Qt is set up for it, you get anti-aliased fonts for free too.

See an example at
http://www.math.tau.ac.il/%7Edekelts/lyx/qt.png



Re: [OT] Linux fonts was Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread John Levon

On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 07:32:30PM +0200, Dekel Tsur wrote:

  There is also fontconfig

 
 RH8 uses fontconfig.

Well, that's what I meant... guess I wasn't clear

 See an example at
 http://www.math.tau.ac.il/%7Edekelts/lyx/qt.png


Luvverly

john

-- 
Everything in the world runs through Birmingham, and 
gets stuck on New Street.
- Brian Marsden



Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread Paul Tremblay

On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 08:24:33AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
 
 If you're using Mandrake, especially 7.2, 8.0, or 8.1, their default font 
 setup is terrible. Here's a workaround:
 
 http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/cookiecrumbfonts.htm
 
 Steve
 
 

As a matter of fact, I am using Mandrake 8.1.

I read your nice tutorial, but I'm not sure I got it to work. 

In my /etc/X11/Xconfig-4, I commented out the line

# FontPath   unix/:-1 

I then added the font paths as you suggested. I shut down X and
restarted it, and everything seemed to work fine. However, just to test
things, I commented out all of the font paths. According to your
tutorial, this means that X shouldn't be able to start at all. However,
even with no font paths in the configuration file, X started.

The fonts look much better in LyX, but that is the result of my tweaking
the zoom and screen dpi settings. It also helps greatly to uncheck the
use scalable fonts box.

I would like to get your tip to work, since it would not only helpt he
appearance of LyX, but of other applications like Netscape and Abiword.
(I tested Abiword after following your tutorial, and it looked as
pitiful as ever.)

Thanks

Paul

 
 On Wednesday 09 October 2002 11:35 pm, Paul Tremblay wrote:
  The appearance of my font in LyX looks like crumbled cookes. It is hard
  to make out an exclamation point.
 
  I searched through the LyX archives, and found that your screen font is
  determined by the Lyxrc file. I also found that I could get font info if
  I ran 'lyx -dbg font'. I did this, and this is my output:
 
  lyx -dbg font
  Setting debug level to font
  Debugging `font' (Font handling)
  Find a free buffer.
  Using scalable font to get
  -urw-times-medium-r-normal--13-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1
  Font 'Roman, Medium, Upright, Normal, Language: English' matched by
  -urw-times-medium-r-normal--13-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1
  LyX: X11 color linen allocated for background
  LyX: X11 color grey40 allocated for bottom area
  LyX: X11 color black allocated for cursor
  LyX: X11 color black allocated for text
 
  Let me also add that other applications on my linux box look fine. For
  example, vim and KDE Word both appear fine. Abiword, however, looks just
  like LyX--it has that crumbled cookie look.
 
  How do I add a nice font to my lyxrc file to get the screen font to look
  readable?
 
  Thanks
 
  Paul
 
 

-- 


*Paul Tremblay *
*[EMAIL PROTECTED]*




Re: [OT] Linux fonts was Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread Peter Clark

I'm condensing several messages here, beware!

Quoting Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Given  'xset +fp path' and 'xset fp rehash' restarting the X server should
 never be needed.

Oops, my bad, I meant restart the X *font* server. Well, I guess
technically it isn't the font server, but that was my general drift. The point
that I was trying to make, was that to install a new font the old way is
unnecessarily involved.

Quoting Dekel Tsur [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 06:23:21PM +0100, John Levon wrote:
  
  Installing a font on RH8 means dropping the font in $HOME/.fonts
Nice. I'm using Debian, which uses defoma (Debian Font Manager), a beast
that I haven't tried tackling yet. 

  Yes. If Qt is set up for it, you get anti-aliased fonts for free too.
 
 See an example at
 http://www.math.tau.ac.il/%7Edekelts/lyx/qt.png

Very pretty. As I recall, someone said that it would be trivial to replace
the icons; most of them look like they could be replaced by standard KDE icons;
that ought to make it look more at home on my desktop...
Speaking of which, its been a while since I've tried the QT version--how is
it progressing? Waiting with baited breath,
:Peter




Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

 Paul == Paul Tremblay [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Paul The appearance of my font in LyX looks like crumbled cookes. It
Paul is hard to make out an exclamation point.

Two solutions:

- make sure that in EditPreferenceLookFeelScreen fonts, you have
  unchecked 'rescale bitmap fonts'. This will ensure that you only use
  hand-drawn bitmap fonts, which look much better than scaled PS fonts

or

- make the microsoft times new roman and arial fonts available to your
  X system and configure lyx to use them. These are some of the few good
  quality scalable screen fonts I know of

JMarc



Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread Steve Litt

If you're using Mandrake, especially 7.2, 8.0, or 8.1, their default font 
setup is terrible. Here's a workaround:

http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/cookiecrumbfonts.htm

Steve

_
Steve Litt
Author: 
  * Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware
  * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist
  * Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist
http://www.troubleshooters.com

Troubleshooters.Com Webmaster 
-


On Wednesday 09 October 2002 11:35 pm, Paul Tremblay wrote:
 The appearance of my font in LyX looks like crumbled cookes. It is hard
 to make out an exclamation point.

 I searched through the LyX archives, and found that your screen font is
 determined by the Lyxrc file. I also found that I could get font info if
 I ran 'lyx -dbg font'. I did this, and this is my output:

 lyx -dbg font
 Setting debug level to font
 Debugging `font' (Font handling)
 Find a free buffer.
 Using scalable font to get
 -urw-times-medium-r-normal--13-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1
 Font 'Roman, Medium, Upright, Normal, Language: English' matched by
 -urw-times-medium-r-normal--13-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1
 LyX: X11 color linen allocated for background
 LyX: X11 color grey40 allocated for bottom area
 LyX: X11 color black allocated for cursor
 LyX: X11 color black allocated for text

 Let me also add that other applications on my linux box look fine. For
 example, vim and KDE Word both appear fine. Abiword, however, looks just
 like LyX--it has that crumbled cookie look.

 How do I add a nice font to my lyxrc file to get the screen font to look
 readable?

 Thanks

 Paul






[OT] Linux fonts was Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread Peter Clark

Quoting Paul Tremblay [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Fonts are always a mystery in linux, especially when I have used a
 Macintosh my whole life. (In a Macintosh,  you simply drag a font to a
 folder, and voila! You have the font available for printing and
 viewing.)

Tangentally off-topic, but KDE has a built in control-module that handles
font installation. It's not quite as simple as drag-and-drop, (you just have to
tell it where the font you want to install is located...come to think of it,
maybe it does do drag-and-drop, I haven't checked), but it is many orders of
magnitude better than moving the font file to the right directory, running the
scripts, and restarting the X server. Don't know about GNOME, someone will speak
up if this is the case as well.
Moving closer to topicality, the problem with LaTeX (and LyX by inheritance)
is its complicated font management system, which is separate from X (of course)
and something that will probably never be streamlined.

 On my linux box, I was able to get a much more readable font by tweaking
 the zoom and Screen DPI in the LyX - Edit - Preferences - Screen Fonts.

I hope that when the QT frontend is released that it will automatically
detect the default fonts used on the desktop and use those as the screen fonts.
Sure, leave in the option to change the font, but at least have it default to
the user's desktop preferences.
:Peter



Re: [OT] Linux fonts was Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread Andre Poenitz

On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 12:18:30PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote:
 tell it where the font you want to install is located...come to think of
 it, maybe it does do drag-and-drop, I haven't checked), but it is many
 orders of magnitude better than moving the font file to the right
 directory, running the scripts, and restarting the X server.

Given  'xset +fp path' and 'xset fp rehash' restarting the X server should
never be needed.

Andre'

-- 
Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security,
will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)



Re: [OT] Linux fonts was Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread John Levon

On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 12:18:30PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote:

 Moving closer to topicality, the problem with LaTeX (and LyX by inheritance)
 is its complicated font management system, which is separate from X (of course)
 and something that will probably never be streamlined.

Installing a font on RH8 means dropping the font in $HOME/.fonts

There is also fontconfig

 I hope that when the QT frontend is released that it will automatically
 detect the default fonts used on the desktop and use those as the screen fonts.

Yes. If Qt is set up for it, you get anti-aliased fonts for free too.

john

-- 
Everything in the world runs through Birmingham, and 
gets stuck on New Street.
- Brian Marsden



Re: [OT] Linux fonts was Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread Dekel Tsur

On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 06:23:21PM +0100, John Levon wrote:
 
 Installing a font on RH8 means dropping the font in $HOME/.fonts
 
 There is also fontconfig
   

RH8 uses fontconfig.

 Yes. If Qt is set up for it, you get anti-aliased fonts for free too.

See an example at
http://www.math.tau.ac.il/%7Edekelts/lyx/qt.png



Re: [OT] Linux fonts was Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread John Levon

On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 07:32:30PM +0200, Dekel Tsur wrote:

  There is also fontconfig

 
 RH8 uses fontconfig.

Well, that's what I meant... guess I wasn't clear

 See an example at
 http://www.math.tau.ac.il/%7Edekelts/lyx/qt.png


Luvverly

john

-- 
Everything in the world runs through Birmingham, and 
gets stuck on New Street.
- Brian Marsden



Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread Paul Tremblay

On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 08:24:33AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
 
 If you're using Mandrake, especially 7.2, 8.0, or 8.1, their default font 
 setup is terrible. Here's a workaround:
 
 http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/cookiecrumbfonts.htm
 
 Steve
 
 

As a matter of fact, I am using Mandrake 8.1.

I read your nice tutorial, but I'm not sure I got it to work. 

In my /etc/X11/Xconfig-4, I commented out the line

# FontPath   unix/:-1 

I then added the font paths as you suggested. I shut down X and
restarted it, and everything seemed to work fine. However, just to test
things, I commented out all of the font paths. According to your
tutorial, this means that X shouldn't be able to start at all. However,
even with no font paths in the configuration file, X started.

The fonts look much better in LyX, but that is the result of my tweaking
the zoom and screen dpi settings. It also helps greatly to uncheck the
use scalable fonts box.

I would like to get your tip to work, since it would not only helpt he
appearance of LyX, but of other applications like Netscape and Abiword.
(I tested Abiword after following your tutorial, and it looked as
pitiful as ever.)

Thanks

Paul

 
 On Wednesday 09 October 2002 11:35 pm, Paul Tremblay wrote:
  The appearance of my font in LyX looks like crumbled cookes. It is hard
  to make out an exclamation point.
 
  I searched through the LyX archives, and found that your screen font is
  determined by the Lyxrc file. I also found that I could get font info if
  I ran 'lyx -dbg font'. I did this, and this is my output:
 
  lyx -dbg font
  Setting debug level to font
  Debugging `font' (Font handling)
  Find a free buffer.
  Using scalable font to get
  -urw-times-medium-r-normal--13-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1
  Font 'Roman, Medium, Upright, Normal, Language: English' matched by
  -urw-times-medium-r-normal--13-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1
  LyX: X11 color linen allocated for background
  LyX: X11 color grey40 allocated for bottom area
  LyX: X11 color black allocated for cursor
  LyX: X11 color black allocated for text
 
  Let me also add that other applications on my linux box look fine. For
  example, vim and KDE Word both appear fine. Abiword, however, looks just
  like LyX--it has that crumbled cookie look.
 
  How do I add a nice font to my lyxrc file to get the screen font to look
  readable?
 
  Thanks
 
  Paul
 
 

-- 


*Paul Tremblay *
*[EMAIL PROTECTED]*




Re: [OT] Linux fonts was Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread Peter Clark

I'm condensing several messages here, beware!

Quoting Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Given  'xset +fp path' and 'xset fp rehash' restarting the X server should
 never be needed.

Oops, my bad, I meant restart the X *font* server. Well, I guess
technically it isn't the font server, but that was my general drift. The point
that I was trying to make, was that to install a new font the old way is
unnecessarily involved.

Quoting Dekel Tsur [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 06:23:21PM +0100, John Levon wrote:
  
  Installing a font on RH8 means dropping the font in $HOME/.fonts
Nice. I'm using Debian, which uses defoma (Debian Font Manager), a beast
that I haven't tried tackling yet. 

  Yes. If Qt is set up for it, you get anti-aliased fonts for free too.
 
 See an example at
 http://www.math.tau.ac.il/%7Edekelts/lyx/qt.png

Very pretty. As I recall, someone said that it would be trivial to replace
the icons; most of them look like they could be replaced by standard KDE icons;
that ought to make it look more at home on my desktop...
Speaking of which, its been a while since I've tried the QT version--how is
it progressing? Waiting with baited breath,
:Peter




Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

> "Paul" == Paul Tremblay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Paul> The appearance of my font in LyX looks like crumbled cookes. It
Paul> is hard to make out an exclamation point.

Two solutions:

- make sure that in Edit>Preference>Look>Screen fonts, you have
  unchecked 'rescale bitmap fonts'. This will ensure that you only use
  hand-drawn bitmap fonts, which look much better than scaled PS fonts

or

- make the microsoft times new roman and arial fonts available to your
  X system and configure lyx to use them. These are some of the few good
  quality scalable screen fonts I know of

JMarc



Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread Steve Litt

If you're using Mandrake, especially 7.2, 8.0, or 8.1, their default font 
setup is terrible. Here's a workaround:

http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/cookiecrumbfonts.htm

Steve

_
Steve Litt
Author: 
  * Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware
  * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist
  * Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist
http://www.troubleshooters.com

Troubleshooters.Com Webmaster 
-


On Wednesday 09 October 2002 11:35 pm, Paul Tremblay wrote:
> The appearance of my font in LyX looks like crumbled cookes. It is hard
> to make out an exclamation point.
>
> I searched through the LyX archives, and found that your screen font is
> determined by the Lyxrc file. I also found that I could get font info if
> I ran 'lyx -dbg font'. I did this, and this is my output:
>
> lyx -dbg font
> Setting debug level to font
> Debugging `font' (Font handling)
> Find a free buffer.
> Using scalable font to get
> -urw-times-medium-r-normal--13-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1
> Font 'Roman, Medium, Upright, Normal, Language: English' matched by
> -urw-times-medium-r-normal--13-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1
> LyX: X11 color linen allocated for background
> LyX: X11 color grey40 allocated for bottom area
> LyX: X11 color black allocated for cursor
> LyX: X11 color black allocated for text
>
> Let me also add that other applications on my linux box look fine. For
> example, vim and KDE Word both appear fine. Abiword, however, looks just
> like LyX--it has that crumbled cookie look.
>
> How do I add a nice font to my lyxrc file to get the screen font to look
> readable?
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul






[OT] Linux fonts was Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread Peter Clark

Quoting Paul Tremblay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Fonts are always a mystery in linux, especially when I have used a
> Macintosh my whole life. (In a Macintosh,  you simply drag a font to a
> folder, and voila! You have the font available for printing and
> viewing.)

Tangentally off-topic, but KDE has a built in control-module that handles
font installation. It's not quite as simple as drag-and-drop, (you just have to
tell it where the font you want to install is located...come to think of it,
maybe it does do drag-and-drop, I haven't checked), but it is many orders of
magnitude better than moving the font file to the right directory, running the
scripts, and restarting the X server. Don't know about GNOME, someone will speak
up if this is the case as well.
Moving closer to topicality, the problem with LaTeX (and LyX by inheritance)
is its complicated font management system, which is separate from X (of course)
and something that will probably never be streamlined.

> On my linux box, I was able to get a much more readable font by tweaking
> the zoom and Screen DPI in the LyX -> Edit -> Preferences -> Screen Fonts.

I hope that when the QT frontend is released that it will automatically
detect the default fonts used on the desktop and use those as the screen fonts.
Sure, leave in the option to change the font, but at least have it default to
the user's desktop preferences.
:Peter



Re: [OT] Linux fonts was Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread Andre Poenitz

On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 12:18:30PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote:
> tell it where the font you want to install is located...come to think of
> it, maybe it does do drag-and-drop, I haven't checked), but it is many
> orders of magnitude better than moving the font file to the right
> directory, running the scripts, and restarting the X server.

Given  'xset +fp path' and 'xset fp rehash' restarting the X server should
never be needed.

Andre'

-- 
Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security,
will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)



Re: [OT] Linux fonts was Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread John Levon

On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 12:18:30PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote:

> Moving closer to topicality, the problem with LaTeX (and LyX by inheritance)
> is its complicated font management system, which is separate from X (of course)
> and something that will probably never be streamlined.

Installing a font on RH8 means dropping the font in $HOME/.fonts

There is also fontconfig

> I hope that when the QT frontend is released that it will automatically
> detect the default fonts used on the desktop and use those as the screen fonts.

Yes. If Qt is set up for it, you get anti-aliased fonts for free too.

john

-- 
"Everything in the world runs through Birmingham, and 
gets stuck on New Street."
- Brian Marsden



Re: [OT] Linux fonts was Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread Dekel Tsur

On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 06:23:21PM +0100, John Levon wrote:
> 
> Installing a font on RH8 means dropping the font in $HOME/.fonts
> 
> There is also fontconfig
   

RH8 uses fontconfig.

> Yes. If Qt is set up for it, you get anti-aliased fonts for free too.

See an example at
http://www.math.tau.ac.il/%7Edekelts/lyx/qt.png



Re: [OT] Linux fonts was Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread John Levon

On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 07:32:30PM +0200, Dekel Tsur wrote:

> > There is also fontconfig
>
> 
> RH8 uses fontconfig.

Well, that's what I meant... guess I wasn't clear

> See an example at
> http://www.math.tau.ac.il/%7Edekelts/lyx/qt.png


Luvverly

john

-- 
"Everything in the world runs through Birmingham, and 
gets stuck on New Street."
- Brian Marsden



Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread Paul Tremblay

On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 08:24:33AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> 
> If you're using Mandrake, especially 7.2, 8.0, or 8.1, their default font 
> setup is terrible. Here's a workaround:
> 
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/cookiecrumbfonts.htm
> 
> Steve
> 
> 

As a matter of fact, I am using Mandrake 8.1.

I read your nice tutorial, but I'm not sure I got it to work. 

In my /etc/X11/Xconfig-4, I commented out the line

# FontPath   "unix/:-1" 

I then added the font paths as you suggested. I shut down X and
restarted it, and everything seemed to work fine. However, just to test
things, I commented out all of the font paths. According to your
tutorial, this means that X shouldn't be able to start at all. However,
even with no font paths in the configuration file, X started.

The fonts look much better in LyX, but that is the result of my tweaking
the zoom and screen dpi settings. It also helps greatly to uncheck the
"use scalable fonts" box.

I would like to get your tip to work, since it would not only helpt he
appearance of LyX, but of other applications like Netscape and Abiword.
(I tested Abiword after following your tutorial, and it looked as
pitiful as ever.)

Thanks

Paul

> 
> On Wednesday 09 October 2002 11:35 pm, Paul Tremblay wrote:
> > The appearance of my font in LyX looks like crumbled cookes. It is hard
> > to make out an exclamation point.
> >
> > I searched through the LyX archives, and found that your screen font is
> > determined by the Lyxrc file. I also found that I could get font info if
> > I ran 'lyx -dbg font'. I did this, and this is my output:
> >
> > lyx -dbg font
> > Setting debug level to font
> > Debugging `font' (Font handling)
> > Find a free buffer.
> > Using scalable font to get
> > -urw-times-medium-r-normal--13-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1
> > Font 'Roman, Medium, Upright, Normal, Language: English' matched by
> > -urw-times-medium-r-normal--13-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1
> > LyX: X11 color linen allocated for background
> > LyX: X11 color grey40 allocated for bottom area
> > LyX: X11 color black allocated for cursor
> > LyX: X11 color black allocated for text
> >
> > Let me also add that other applications on my linux box look fine. For
> > example, vim and KDE Word both appear fine. Abiword, however, looks just
> > like LyX--it has that crumbled cookie look.
> >
> > How do I add a nice font to my lyxrc file to get the screen font to look
> > readable?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Paul
> 
> 

-- 


*Paul Tremblay *
*[EMAIL PROTECTED]*




Re: [OT] Linux fonts was Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-10 Thread Peter Clark

I'm condensing several messages here, beware!

Quoting Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Given  'xset +fp path' and 'xset fp rehash' restarting the X server should
> never be needed.

Oops, my bad, I meant "restart the X *font* server." Well, I guess
technically it isn't the font server, but that was my general drift. The point
that I was trying to make, was that to install a new font the old way is
unnecessarily involved.

Quoting Dekel Tsur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 06:23:21PM +0100, John Levon wrote:
> > 
> > Installing a font on RH8 means dropping the font in $HOME/.fonts
Nice. I'm using Debian, which uses defoma (Debian Font Manager), a beast
that I haven't tried tackling yet. 

> > Yes. If Qt is set up for it, you get anti-aliased fonts for free too.
> 
> See an example at
> http://www.math.tau.ac.il/%7Edekelts/lyx/qt.png

Very pretty. As I recall, someone said that it would be trivial to replace
the icons; most of them look like they could be replaced by standard KDE icons;
that ought to make it look more at home on my desktop...
Speaking of which, its been a while since I've tried the QT version--how is
it progressing? Waiting with baited breath,
:Peter




Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-09 Thread Thomas Templin

On Thursday 10 October 2002 05:35, Paul Tremblay wrote:
 The appearance of my font in LyX looks like crumbled cookes. It
 is hard to make out an exclamation point.

 I searched through the LyX archives, and found that your screen
 font is determined by the Lyxrc file. I also found that I could
 get font info if I ran 'lyx -dbg font'. I did this, and this is
 my output:

 lyx -dbg font
 Setting debug level to font
 Debugging `font' (Font handling)
 Find a free buffer.
 Using scalable font to get
 -urw-times-medium-r-normal--13-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1
*-times-medium-r-normal--13-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1
should work, urw will only use fonts by urw foundry
 Font 'Roman, Medium, Upright, Normal, Language: English' matched
 by -urw-times-medium-r-normal--13-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1
 LyX: X11 color linen allocated for background
 LyX: X11 color grey40 allocated for bottom area
 LyX: X11 color black allocated for cursor
 LyX: X11 color black allocated for text

 Let me also add that other applications on my linux box look
 fine. For example, vim and KDE Word both appear fine. Abiword,
 however, looks just like LyX--it has that crumbled cookie look.

 How do I add a nice font to my lyxrc file to get the screen font
 to look readable?
[...]
Which GNU/Linux distribution? Debian, RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake...?
May be you don't install all needet fonts. Your problem with 
Abiword fonts seems to have the same reason.
Which LyX Version?
Try to use an other Font with:
LyX - Edit - Preferences - Screen Fonts
and enter a installed font for Roman, Sans Serif and Typewriter, 
eg:
-*-times
-*-helvetica
-*-courier
Encoding seems to be ok, iso8859-1
xfontsel will give you a hint which fonts are installed.

Bye,
Thomas



Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-09 Thread Thomas Templin

On Thursday 10 October 2002 05:35, Paul Tremblay wrote:
 The appearance of my font in LyX looks like crumbled cookes. It
 is hard to make out an exclamation point.

 I searched through the LyX archives, and found that your screen
 font is determined by the Lyxrc file. I also found that I could
 get font info if I ran 'lyx -dbg font'. I did this, and this is
 my output:

 lyx -dbg font
 Setting debug level to font
 Debugging `font' (Font handling)
 Find a free buffer.
 Using scalable font to get
 -urw-times-medium-r-normal--13-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1
*-times-medium-r-normal--13-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1
should work, urw will only use fonts by urw foundry
 Font 'Roman, Medium, Upright, Normal, Language: English' matched
 by -urw-times-medium-r-normal--13-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1
 LyX: X11 color linen allocated for background
 LyX: X11 color grey40 allocated for bottom area
 LyX: X11 color black allocated for cursor
 LyX: X11 color black allocated for text

 Let me also add that other applications on my linux box look
 fine. For example, vim and KDE Word both appear fine. Abiword,
 however, looks just like LyX--it has that crumbled cookie look.

 How do I add a nice font to my lyxrc file to get the screen font
 to look readable?
[...]
Which GNU/Linux distribution? Debian, RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake...?
May be you don't install all needet fonts. Your problem with 
Abiword fonts seems to have the same reason.
Which LyX Version?
Try to use an other Font with:
LyX - Edit - Preferences - Screen Fonts
and enter a installed font for Roman, Sans Serif and Typewriter, 
eg:
-*-times
-*-helvetica
-*-courier
Encoding seems to be ok, iso8859-1
xfontsel will give you a hint which fonts are installed.

Bye,
Thomas



Re: window font looks like crumbled cookies

2002-10-09 Thread Thomas Templin

On Thursday 10 October 2002 05:35, Paul Tremblay wrote:
> The appearance of my font in LyX looks like crumbled cookes. It
> is hard to make out an exclamation point.
>
> I searched through the LyX archives, and found that your screen
> font is determined by the Lyxrc file. I also found that I could
> get font info if I ran 'lyx -dbg font'. I did this, and this is
> my output:
>
> lyx -dbg font
> Setting debug level to font
> Debugging `font' (Font handling)
> Find a free buffer.
> Using scalable font to get
> -urw-times-medium-r-normal--13-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1
*-times-medium-r-normal--13-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1
should work, "urw" will only use fonts by urw foundry
> Font 'Roman, Medium, Upright, Normal, Language: English' matched
> by -urw-times-medium-r-normal--13-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1
> LyX: X11 color linen allocated for background
> LyX: X11 color grey40 allocated for bottom area
> LyX: X11 color black allocated for cursor
> LyX: X11 color black allocated for text
>
> Let me also add that other applications on my linux box look
> fine. For example, vim and KDE Word both appear fine. Abiword,
> however, looks just like LyX--it has that crumbled cookie look.
>
> How do I add a nice font to my lyxrc file to get the screen font
> to look readable?
[...]
Which GNU/Linux distribution? Debian, RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake...?
May be you don't install all needet fonts. Your problem with 
Abiword fonts seems to have the same reason.
Which LyX Version?
Try to use an other Font with:
LyX -> Edit -> Preferences -> Screen Fonts
and enter a installed font for Roman, Sans Serif and Typewriter, 
eg:
-*-times
-*-helvetica
-*-courier
Encoding seems to be ok, iso8859-1
xfontsel will give you a hint which fonts are installed.

Bye,
Thomas