Re: Using a network printer
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Helge Hafting wrote: Some people have lpr instead of lp, consider replacing lp then. Cups (in debian: the package cupsys-client) provides a lp binary that lyx can use. This will print to whatever printer cups considers default. In case it helps someone else, it turns out that in my Ubuntu installation, directing printing to 'lpr' or 'lp' helped, as that routed the output to the default printing. /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Using a network printer
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Helge Hafting wrote: Some people have lpr instead of lp, consider replacing lp then. Cups (in debian: the package cupsys-client) provides a lp binary that lyx can use. This will print to whatever printer cups considers default. In case it helps someone else, it turns out that in my Ubuntu installation, directing printing to 'lpr' or 'lp' helped, as that routed the output to the default printing. /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Using a network printer
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Helge Hafting wrote: Some people have "lpr" instead of "lp", consider replacing "lp" then. Cups (in debian: the package cupsys-client) provides a "lp" binary that lyx can use. This will print to whatever printer cups considers default. In case it helps someone else, it turns out that in my Ubuntu installation, directing printing to 'lpr' or 'lp' helped, as that routed the output to the default printing. /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Using a network printer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, Mark Hansel wrote: A restriction to print exclusively through viewers breaks lyx! There are circumstances where printing an exported ps file makes sense (e.g., multiple collated copies, transmit). All of that can be done through viewers. I don't think anyone proposes that we remove the ability to produce .ps-files... Personally, I think it'd be nice to be able to rpint directly from LyX. Out of curiosity, why? I print my documents on a Postscript-capable laser printer, and I've never bothered printing from LyX, because I always review the rendered document in a viewer before printing it. If I need to print an existing document without editing it, I generally have a copy of the final rendered version already available, so why re-render it? And if I don't, I'd just as soon run LyX in batch mode to produce one, than go through the GUI. The question as I see it is if it's worth spending time trying to fix bugs in LyX that are related to printing. (And that are probably specific to the GNU/Linux distribution etc) The worst one isn't: File Print simply doesn't make sense, and that's true on all platforms. The design is broken. LyX supports multiple back ends, and as long as that's true, File Print is at best ambiguous. At worst, it's simply broken, for example if I have pdflatex-specific packages or commands in my document (in the preamble or in ERT). At the very least, the menu item should be named something like Print (Postscript) or Print (dvips). An unqualified Print menu action isn't meaningful for LyX. -- Michael Wojcik
Re: Using a network printer
Dave Wood wrote: How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can print by viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would like to be able to print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes want to print old files and not have to preview them first. I have tried using the cups printer name, the server address:port etc to no avail. It is all set up in tools-preferences-printer. If you haven't done anything there, then the default is to create a .ps file using dvips, and then hand that file to lp and use whatever printer lp consider default. This works for many, but not all. Perhaps you simply have to add the printer name in the right place. Some people have lpr instead of lp, consider replacing lp then. Cups (in debian: the package cupsys-client) provides a lp binary that lyx can use. This will print to whatever printer cups considers default. It can also print to non-default printers if you specify them in LyX. Make sure this program actually is installed. It is possible to have the cups server without client software installed. At least with debian/ubuntu. If this doesn't work - either change the preferences so LyX prints using whatever command line utility you have that can get a postscript file to the printer, or change things so lp works. For experimentation, export a .ps file from LyX and try to print it manually from the command line. When you have a command that works, change LyX to use that. The details of the lyx printer setup dialog is perhaps not that easy to understand - ask again if you get more trouble. Helge Hafting
Re: Using a network printer
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, Michael Wojcik wrote: .ps-files... Personally, I think it'd be nice to be able to rpint directly from LyX. Out of curiosity, why? Different work flows I guess... I was writing a bit of math, more or less doing the derivations inside LyX. Now and then I want a hard copy to work on and proof read. In this case the document was purely for internal use, and I _know_ don't have to worry about checking it's appearance. Only the content mattered, so I never bothered with viewiers. Why should I? Even if the LyX screen doesn't show it exactly correct, it's still WYSIWYM, which was very good in this case. However, I did need the hard copy as I'm often more creative with plain pen and paper - as are most people I suspect! The question as I see it is if it's worth spending time trying to fix bugs in LyX that are related to printing. (And that are probably specific to the GNU/Linux distribution etc) The worst one isn't: File Print simply doesn't make sense, and that's true on all platforms. The design is broken. LyX supports multiple back ends, and as long as that's true, File Print is at best ambiguous. At worst, it's simply broken, for example if I have pdflatex-specific packages or commands in my document (in the preamble or in ERT). At the very least, the menu item should be named something like Print (Postscript) or Print (dvips). An unqualified Print menu action isn't meaningful for LyX. I'm inclined to agree with you... the drawback would be confusion for people that are used to other systems. If someone else thinks it's a good idea, I'll move this discussion to the developers' list and possibly make a bugzilla entry out of it. Regards, /christian PS. I saw that Helge had some tips on getting printing to work, I'll look at that later. -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Using a network printer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, Mark Hansel wrote: A restriction to print exclusively through viewers breaks lyx! There are circumstances where printing an exported ps file makes sense (e.g., multiple collated copies, transmit). All of that can be done through viewers. I don't think anyone proposes that we remove the ability to produce .ps-files... Personally, I think it'd be nice to be able to rpint directly from LyX. Out of curiosity, why? I print my documents on a Postscript-capable laser printer, and I've never bothered printing from LyX, because I always review the rendered document in a viewer before printing it. If I need to print an existing document without editing it, I generally have a copy of the final rendered version already available, so why re-render it? And if I don't, I'd just as soon run LyX in batch mode to produce one, than go through the GUI. The question as I see it is if it's worth spending time trying to fix bugs in LyX that are related to printing. (And that are probably specific to the GNU/Linux distribution etc) The worst one isn't: File Print simply doesn't make sense, and that's true on all platforms. The design is broken. LyX supports multiple back ends, and as long as that's true, File Print is at best ambiguous. At worst, it's simply broken, for example if I have pdflatex-specific packages or commands in my document (in the preamble or in ERT). At the very least, the menu item should be named something like Print (Postscript) or Print (dvips). An unqualified Print menu action isn't meaningful for LyX. -- Michael Wojcik
Re: Using a network printer
Dave Wood wrote: How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can print by viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would like to be able to print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes want to print old files and not have to preview them first. I have tried using the cups printer name, the server address:port etc to no avail. It is all set up in tools-preferences-printer. If you haven't done anything there, then the default is to create a .ps file using dvips, and then hand that file to lp and use whatever printer lp consider default. This works for many, but not all. Perhaps you simply have to add the printer name in the right place. Some people have lpr instead of lp, consider replacing lp then. Cups (in debian: the package cupsys-client) provides a lp binary that lyx can use. This will print to whatever printer cups considers default. It can also print to non-default printers if you specify them in LyX. Make sure this program actually is installed. It is possible to have the cups server without client software installed. At least with debian/ubuntu. If this doesn't work - either change the preferences so LyX prints using whatever command line utility you have that can get a postscript file to the printer, or change things so lp works. For experimentation, export a .ps file from LyX and try to print it manually from the command line. When you have a command that works, change LyX to use that. The details of the lyx printer setup dialog is perhaps not that easy to understand - ask again if you get more trouble. Helge Hafting
Re: Using a network printer
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, Michael Wojcik wrote: .ps-files... Personally, I think it'd be nice to be able to rpint directly from LyX. Out of curiosity, why? Different work flows I guess... I was writing a bit of math, more or less doing the derivations inside LyX. Now and then I want a hard copy to work on and proof read. In this case the document was purely for internal use, and I _know_ don't have to worry about checking it's appearance. Only the content mattered, so I never bothered with viewiers. Why should I? Even if the LyX screen doesn't show it exactly correct, it's still WYSIWYM, which was very good in this case. However, I did need the hard copy as I'm often more creative with plain pen and paper - as are most people I suspect! The question as I see it is if it's worth spending time trying to fix bugs in LyX that are related to printing. (And that are probably specific to the GNU/Linux distribution etc) The worst one isn't: File Print simply doesn't make sense, and that's true on all platforms. The design is broken. LyX supports multiple back ends, and as long as that's true, File Print is at best ambiguous. At worst, it's simply broken, for example if I have pdflatex-specific packages or commands in my document (in the preamble or in ERT). At the very least, the menu item should be named something like Print (Postscript) or Print (dvips). An unqualified Print menu action isn't meaningful for LyX. I'm inclined to agree with you... the drawback would be confusion for people that are used to other systems. If someone else thinks it's a good idea, I'll move this discussion to the developers' list and possibly make a bugzilla entry out of it. Regards, /christian PS. I saw that Helge had some tips on getting printing to work, I'll look at that later. -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Using a network printer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, Mark Hansel wrote: A restriction to print exclusively through viewers breaks lyx! There are circumstances where printing an exported ps file makes sense (e.g., multiple collated copies, transmit). All of that can be done through viewers. I don't think anyone proposes that we remove the ability to produce .ps-files... Personally, I think it'd be nice to be able to rpint directly from LyX. Out of curiosity, why? I print my documents on a Postscript-capable laser printer, and I've never bothered printing from LyX, because I always review the rendered document in a viewer before printing it. If I need to print an existing document without editing it, I generally have a copy of the final rendered version already available, so why re-render it? And if I don't, I'd just as soon run LyX in batch mode to produce one, than go through the GUI. > The question as I see it is if it's worth spending time trying to fix bugs in LyX that are related to printing. (And that are probably specific to the GNU/Linux distribution etc) The worst one isn't: File > Print simply doesn't make sense, and that's true on all platforms. The design is broken. LyX supports multiple back ends, and as long as that's true, File > Print is at best ambiguous. At worst, it's simply broken, for example if I have pdflatex-specific packages or commands in my document (in the preamble or in ERT). At the very least, the menu item should be named something like "Print (Postscript)" or "Print (dvips)". An unqualified "Print" menu action isn't meaningful for LyX. -- Michael Wojcik
Re: Using a network printer
Dave Wood wrote: How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can print by viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would like to be able to print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes want to print old files and not have to preview them first. I have tried using the cups printer name, the server address:port etc to no avail. It is all set up in "tools->preferences->printer". If you haven't done anything there, then the default is to create a .ps file using dvips, and then hand that file to "lp" and use whatever printer "lp" consider default. This works for many, but not all. Perhaps you simply have to add the printer name in the right place. Some people have "lpr" instead of "lp", consider replacing "lp" then. Cups (in debian: the package cupsys-client) provides a "lp" binary that lyx can use. This will print to whatever printer cups considers default. It can also print to non-default printers if you specify them in LyX. Make sure this program actually is installed. It is possible to have the cups server without client software installed. At least with debian/ubuntu. If this doesn't work - either change the preferences so LyX prints using whatever command line utility you have that can get a postscript file to the printer, or change things so "lp" works. For experimentation, export a .ps file from LyX and try to print it manually from the command line. When you have a command that works, change LyX to use that. The details of the lyx printer setup dialog is perhaps not that easy to understand - ask again if you get more trouble. Helge Hafting
Re: Using a network printer
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, Michael Wojcik wrote: .ps-files... Personally, I think it'd be nice to be able to rpint directly from LyX. Out of curiosity, why? Different work flows I guess... I was writing a bit of math, more or less doing the derivations inside LyX. Now and then I want a hard copy to work on and proof read. In this case the document was purely for internal use, and I _know_ don't have to worry about checking it's appearance. Only the content mattered, so I never bothered with viewiers. Why should I? Even if the LyX screen doesn't show it exactly correct, it's still WYSIWYM, which was very good in this case. However, I did need the hard copy as I'm often more creative with plain pen and paper - as are most people I suspect! The question as I see it is if it's worth spending time trying to fix bugs in LyX that are related to printing. (And that are probably specific to the GNU/Linux distribution etc) The worst one isn't: File > Print simply doesn't make sense, and that's true on all platforms. The design is broken. LyX supports multiple back ends, and as long as that's true, File > Print is at best ambiguous. At worst, it's simply broken, for example if I have pdflatex-specific packages or commands in my document (in the preamble or in ERT). At the very least, the menu item should be named something like "Print (Postscript)" or "Print (dvips)". An unqualified "Print" menu action isn't meaningful for LyX. I'm inclined to agree with you... the drawback would be confusion for people that are used to other systems. If someone else thinks it's a good idea, I'll move this discussion to the developers' list and possibly make a bugzilla entry out of it. Regards, /christian PS. I saw that Helge had some tips on getting printing to work, I'll look at that later. -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Using a network printer
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Paul A. Rubin wrote: Les Denham wrote: Perhaps this is exactly the problem Paul has encountered: the error message gives the impression it is a printer problem, whereas the real problem is the difference between latex and pdflatex. That could be his problem, but mine is that the network printer which I can use from other programs does not appear when trying to print from LyX. If we then recommend users to print through one of the viewers, I'm not sure we should keep File-Print. Or maybe we should have: File-Print-pdflatex File-Print-PS ... Just a thought (I don't think it makes sense spending a lot of time making print to work directly from LyX when it works via viewers). Maybe it'd be an idea to put a tip in the print dialog, that recommends the user to print via a viewer? snip distribution, you might get short-hopped by the differences. I always try to print from a viewer looking at the final distribution version. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Using a network printer
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:29:49 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Using a network printer On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Paul A. Rubin wrote: Les Denham wrote: Perhaps this is exactly the problem Paul has encountered: the error message gives the impression it is a printer problem, whereas the real problem is the difference between latex and pdflatex. That could be his problem, but mine is that the network printer which I can use from other programs does not appear when trying to print from LyX. If we then recommend users to print through one of the viewers, I'm not sure we should keep File-Print. Or maybe we should have: File-Print-pdflatex File-Print-PS ... Just a thought (I don't think it makes sense spending a lot of time making print to work directly from LyX when it works via viewers). Maybe it'd be an idea to put a tip in the print dialog, that recommends the user to print via a viewer? snip distribution, you might get short-hopped by the differences. I always try to print from a viewer looking at the final distribution version. A restriction to print exclusively through viewers breaks lyx! There are circumstances where printing an exported ps file makes sense (e.g., multiple collated copies, transmit). Under most circumstances, a keyboard shortcut or a print icon (or using a menu) produces COMMON SENSE result. An editor/text processor that is the only one on the planet that won't conduct a friendly hand shake with the print layer of sofware is not going to be very popular. (Don't emulate MS -- How many MS engineers does it take to change a light bulb? None. MS declares darkness the standard.) Mark Hansel
Re: Using a network printer
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, Mark Hansel wrote: Maybe it'd be an idea to put a tip in the print dialog, that recommends the user to print via a viewer? snip distribution, you might get short-hopped by the differences. I always try to print from a viewer looking at the final distribution version. A restriction to print exclusively through viewers breaks lyx! There are circumstances where printing an exported ps file makes sense (e.g., multiple collated copies, transmit). I don't think anyone proposes that we remove the ability to produce .ps-files... Personally, I think it'd be nice to be able to rpint directly from LyX. The question as I see it is if it's worth spending time trying to fix bugs in LyX that are related to printing. (And that are probably specific to the GNU/Linux distribution etc) Under most circumstances, a keyboard shortcut or a print icon (or using a menu) produces COMMON SENSE result. An editor/text processor that is the only one on the planet that won't conduct a friendly hand shake with the print layer of sofware is not going to be very popular. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Using a network printer
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 09:38:33AM -0500, Mark Hansel wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] (Don't emulate MS -- How many MS engineers does it take to change a light bulb? None. MS declares darkness the standard.) I guess MS is such a large organization that you can't judge single engineers by the behaviour of the company's CEO or Sales department... Andre'
Re: Using a network printer
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Paul A. Rubin wrote: Les Denham wrote: Perhaps this is exactly the problem Paul has encountered: the error message gives the impression it is a printer problem, whereas the real problem is the difference between latex and pdflatex. That could be his problem, but mine is that the network printer which I can use from other programs does not appear when trying to print from LyX. If we then recommend users to print through one of the viewers, I'm not sure we should keep File-Print. Or maybe we should have: File-Print-pdflatex File-Print-PS ... Just a thought (I don't think it makes sense spending a lot of time making print to work directly from LyX when it works via viewers). Maybe it'd be an idea to put a tip in the print dialog, that recommends the user to print via a viewer? snip distribution, you might get short-hopped by the differences. I always try to print from a viewer looking at the final distribution version. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Using a network printer
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:29:49 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Using a network printer On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Paul A. Rubin wrote: Les Denham wrote: Perhaps this is exactly the problem Paul has encountered: the error message gives the impression it is a printer problem, whereas the real problem is the difference between latex and pdflatex. That could be his problem, but mine is that the network printer which I can use from other programs does not appear when trying to print from LyX. If we then recommend users to print through one of the viewers, I'm not sure we should keep File-Print. Or maybe we should have: File-Print-pdflatex File-Print-PS ... Just a thought (I don't think it makes sense spending a lot of time making print to work directly from LyX when it works via viewers). Maybe it'd be an idea to put a tip in the print dialog, that recommends the user to print via a viewer? snip distribution, you might get short-hopped by the differences. I always try to print from a viewer looking at the final distribution version. A restriction to print exclusively through viewers breaks lyx! There are circumstances where printing an exported ps file makes sense (e.g., multiple collated copies, transmit). Under most circumstances, a keyboard shortcut or a print icon (or using a menu) produces COMMON SENSE result. An editor/text processor that is the only one on the planet that won't conduct a friendly hand shake with the print layer of sofware is not going to be very popular. (Don't emulate MS -- How many MS engineers does it take to change a light bulb? None. MS declares darkness the standard.) Mark Hansel
Re: Using a network printer
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, Mark Hansel wrote: Maybe it'd be an idea to put a tip in the print dialog, that recommends the user to print via a viewer? snip distribution, you might get short-hopped by the differences. I always try to print from a viewer looking at the final distribution version. A restriction to print exclusively through viewers breaks lyx! There are circumstances where printing an exported ps file makes sense (e.g., multiple collated copies, transmit). I don't think anyone proposes that we remove the ability to produce .ps-files... Personally, I think it'd be nice to be able to rpint directly from LyX. The question as I see it is if it's worth spending time trying to fix bugs in LyX that are related to printing. (And that are probably specific to the GNU/Linux distribution etc) Under most circumstances, a keyboard shortcut or a print icon (or using a menu) produces COMMON SENSE result. An editor/text processor that is the only one on the planet that won't conduct a friendly hand shake with the print layer of sofware is not going to be very popular. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Using a network printer
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 09:38:33AM -0500, Mark Hansel wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] (Don't emulate MS -- How many MS engineers does it take to change a light bulb? None. MS declares darkness the standard.) I guess MS is such a large organization that you can't judge single engineers by the behaviour of the company's CEO or Sales department... Andre'
Re: Using a network printer
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Paul A. Rubin wrote: Les Denham wrote: Perhaps this is exactly the problem Paul has encountered: the error message gives the impression it is a printer problem, whereas the real problem is the difference between latex and pdflatex. That could be his problem, but mine is that the network printer which I can use from other programs does not appear when trying to print from LyX. If we then recommend users to print through one of the viewers, I'm not sure we should keep File->Print. Or maybe we should have: File->Print->pdflatex File->Print->PS ... Just a thought (I don't think it makes sense spending a lot of time making print to work directly from LyX when it works via viewers). Maybe it'd be an idea to put a tip in the print dialog, that recommends the user to print via a viewer? distribution, you might get short-hopped by the differences. I always try to print from a viewer looking at the final distribution version. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Using a network printer
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:29:49 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Using a network printer On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Paul A. Rubin wrote: Les Denham wrote: Perhaps this is exactly the problem Paul has encountered: the error message gives the impression it is a printer problem, whereas the real problem is the difference between latex and pdflatex. That could be his problem, but mine is that the network printer which I can use from other programs does not appear when trying to print from LyX. If we then recommend users to print through one of the viewers, I'm not sure we should keep File->Print. Or maybe we should have: File->Print->pdflatex File->Print->PS ... Just a thought (I don't think it makes sense spending a lot of time making print to work directly from LyX when it works via viewers). Maybe it'd be an idea to put a tip in the print dialog, that recommends the user to print via a viewer? distribution, you might get short-hopped by the differences. I always try to print from a viewer looking at the final distribution version. A restriction to print exclusively through viewers breaks lyx! There are circumstances where printing an exported ps file makes sense (e.g., multiple collated copies, transmit). Under most circumstances, a keyboard shortcut or a print icon (or using a menu) produces COMMON SENSE result. An editor/text processor that is the only one on the planet that won't conduct a friendly hand shake with the print layer of sofware is not going to be very popular. (Don't emulate MS -- How many MS engineers does it take to change a light bulb? None. MS declares darkness the standard.) Mark Hansel
Re: Using a network printer
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, Mark Hansel wrote: Maybe it'd be an idea to put a tip in the print dialog, that recommends the user to print via a viewer? > distribution, you might get short-hopped by the differences. I > always try to print from a viewer looking at the final distribution > version. A restriction to print exclusively through viewers breaks lyx! There are circumstances where printing an exported ps file makes sense (e.g., multiple collated copies, transmit). I don't think anyone proposes that we remove the ability to produce .ps-files... Personally, I think it'd be nice to be able to rpint directly from LyX. The question as I see it is if it's worth spending time trying to fix bugs in LyX that are related to printing. (And that are probably specific to the GNU/Linux distribution etc) Under most circumstances, a keyboard shortcut or a print icon (or using a menu) produces COMMON SENSE result. An editor/text processor that is the only one on the planet that won't conduct a friendly hand shake with the print layer of sofware is not going to be very popular. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Using a network printer
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 09:38:33AM -0500, Mark Hansel wrote: > On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > [...] > (Don't emulate MS -- How many MS engineers does it take to change a light > bulb? None. MS declares darkness the standard.) I guess MS is such a large organization that you can't judge single engineers by the behaviour of the company's CEO or Sales department... Andre'
Re: Using a network printer
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 05:02:54PM +, Dave Wood wrote: How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can print by viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would like to be able to print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes want to print old files and not have to preview them first. Printing from one of the viewers is pretty much the recommended method. Should we then have a 'print' entry in the File-menu? /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Using a network printer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 05:02:54PM +, Dave Wood wrote: How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can print by viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would like to be able to print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes want to print old files and not have to preview them first. Printing from one of the viewers is pretty much the recommended method. Should we then have a 'print' entry in the File-menu? I wonder about that myself. I never use it (I always print from a viewer), although that's partly because I don't have a PS-aware printer. Beyond that, it's not entirely obvious (at least to a newbie) just what File-Print is going to print, since DVI, PS and PDF outputs of the same doc tend to differ a bit. /Paul
Re: Using a network printer
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Paul A. Rubin wrote: How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can print by viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would like to be able to print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes want to print old files and not have to preview them first. Printing from one of the viewers is pretty much the recommended method. Should we then have a 'print' entry in the File-menu? I wonder about that myself. I never use it (I always print from a viewer), although that's partly because I don't have a PS-aware printer. Beyond that, it's not entirely obvious (at least to a newbie) just what File-Print is going to print, since DVI, PS and PDF outputs of the same doc tend to differ a bit. Does it seem strange to have a document processor that cannot print? I'd be ok with using the viewer, but it's confusing with a File-Print that doesn't work. /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Using a network printer
On Wednesday 19 March 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Paul A. Rubin wrote: How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can print by viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would like to be able to print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes want to print old files and not have to preview them first. Printing from one of the viewers is pretty much the recommended method. Should we then have a 'print' entry in the File-menu? I wonder about that myself. I never use it (I always print from a viewer), although that's partly because I don't have a PS-aware printer. Beyond that, it's not entirely obvious (at least to a newbie) just what File-Print is going to print, since DVI, PS and PDF outputs of the same doc tend to differ a bit. Does it seem strange to have a document processor that cannot print? I'd be ok with using the viewer, but it's confusing with a File-Print that doesn't work. Christian, The problem with that thought is that on my system it Just Works, without any arcane settings. And mine is not a particularly simple setup: I'm running Gentoo Linux, with CUPS printing, on a rather complicated network, and LyX just defaults to running a document through dvips and sending it to the default printer. However . . . as many LyX users do, I usually use pdflatex for my default preview and most common export. And some figures which work perfectly with pdflatex do not work at all with latex. When I try to print a document with such figures, the printing fails with the message: Could not print document name.lyx. Check that your printer is set up correctly. Perhaps this is exactly the problem Paul has encountered: the error message gives the impression it is a printer problem, whereas the real problem is the difference between latex and pdflatex. -- Les ~~ Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
Re: Using a network printer
Les Denham wrote: Perhaps this is exactly the problem Paul has encountered: the error message gives the impression it is a printer problem, whereas the real problem is the difference between latex and pdflatex. That's the more dramatic version, but even when the document compiles successfully, it may look different generated one way versus another. For instance, I think that font substitutions can occur with, say, a PDF file that would not occur (or would occur differently) with a DVI file, and I believe that graphics are handled somewhat differently by one approach versus another. If all you want is the printed output, this might be ok, but if you are printing a copy (as PS output, perhaps without realizing it) while generating a file (say PDF) for distribution, you might get short-hopped by the differences. I always try to print from a viewer looking at the final distribution version. /Paul
Re: Using a network printer
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 05:02:54PM +, Dave Wood wrote: How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can print by viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would like to be able to print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes want to print old files and not have to preview them first. Printing from one of the viewers is pretty much the recommended method. Should we then have a 'print' entry in the File-menu? /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Using a network printer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 05:02:54PM +, Dave Wood wrote: How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can print by viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would like to be able to print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes want to print old files and not have to preview them first. Printing from one of the viewers is pretty much the recommended method. Should we then have a 'print' entry in the File-menu? I wonder about that myself. I never use it (I always print from a viewer), although that's partly because I don't have a PS-aware printer. Beyond that, it's not entirely obvious (at least to a newbie) just what File-Print is going to print, since DVI, PS and PDF outputs of the same doc tend to differ a bit. /Paul
Re: Using a network printer
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Paul A. Rubin wrote: How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can print by viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would like to be able to print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes want to print old files and not have to preview them first. Printing from one of the viewers is pretty much the recommended method. Should we then have a 'print' entry in the File-menu? I wonder about that myself. I never use it (I always print from a viewer), although that's partly because I don't have a PS-aware printer. Beyond that, it's not entirely obvious (at least to a newbie) just what File-Print is going to print, since DVI, PS and PDF outputs of the same doc tend to differ a bit. Does it seem strange to have a document processor that cannot print? I'd be ok with using the viewer, but it's confusing with a File-Print that doesn't work. /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Using a network printer
On Wednesday 19 March 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Paul A. Rubin wrote: How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can print by viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would like to be able to print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes want to print old files and not have to preview them first. Printing from one of the viewers is pretty much the recommended method. Should we then have a 'print' entry in the File-menu? I wonder about that myself. I never use it (I always print from a viewer), although that's partly because I don't have a PS-aware printer. Beyond that, it's not entirely obvious (at least to a newbie) just what File-Print is going to print, since DVI, PS and PDF outputs of the same doc tend to differ a bit. Does it seem strange to have a document processor that cannot print? I'd be ok with using the viewer, but it's confusing with a File-Print that doesn't work. Christian, The problem with that thought is that on my system it Just Works, without any arcane settings. And mine is not a particularly simple setup: I'm running Gentoo Linux, with CUPS printing, on a rather complicated network, and LyX just defaults to running a document through dvips and sending it to the default printer. However . . . as many LyX users do, I usually use pdflatex for my default preview and most common export. And some figures which work perfectly with pdflatex do not work at all with latex. When I try to print a document with such figures, the printing fails with the message: Could not print document name.lyx. Check that your printer is set up correctly. Perhaps this is exactly the problem Paul has encountered: the error message gives the impression it is a printer problem, whereas the real problem is the difference between latex and pdflatex. -- Les ~~ Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
Re: Using a network printer
Les Denham wrote: Perhaps this is exactly the problem Paul has encountered: the error message gives the impression it is a printer problem, whereas the real problem is the difference between latex and pdflatex. That's the more dramatic version, but even when the document compiles successfully, it may look different generated one way versus another. For instance, I think that font substitutions can occur with, say, a PDF file that would not occur (or would occur differently) with a DVI file, and I believe that graphics are handled somewhat differently by one approach versus another. If all you want is the printed output, this might be ok, but if you are printing a copy (as PS output, perhaps without realizing it) while generating a file (say PDF) for distribution, you might get short-hopped by the differences. I always try to print from a viewer looking at the final distribution version. /Paul
Re: Using a network printer
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 05:02:54PM +, Dave Wood wrote: How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can print by viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would like to be able to print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes want to print old files and not have to preview them first. Printing from one of the viewers is pretty much the recommended method. Should we then have a 'print' entry in the File-menu? /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Using a network printer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 05:02:54PM +, Dave Wood wrote: How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can print by viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would like to be able to print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes want to print old files and not have to preview them first. Printing from one of the viewers is pretty much the recommended method. Should we then have a 'print' entry in the File-menu? I wonder about that myself. I never use it (I always print from a viewer), although that's partly because I don't have a PS-aware printer. Beyond that, it's not entirely obvious (at least to a newbie) just what File->Print is going to print, since DVI, PS and PDF outputs of the same doc tend to differ a bit. /Paul
Re: Using a network printer
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Paul A. Rubin wrote: > > How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can > > print by viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would > > like to be able to print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes > > want to print old files and not have to preview them first. > > Printing from one of the viewers is pretty much the recommended > method. Should we then have a 'print' entry in the File-menu? I wonder about that myself. I never use it (I always print from a viewer), although that's partly because I don't have a PS-aware printer. Beyond that, it's not entirely obvious (at least to a newbie) just what File->Print is going to print, since DVI, PS and PDF outputs of the same doc tend to differ a bit. Does it seem strange to have a "document processor" that cannot print? I'd be ok with using the viewer, but it's confusing with a File->Print that doesn't work. /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Using a network printer
On Wednesday 19 March 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Paul A. Rubin wrote: > >> > > How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can > >> > > print by viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would > >> > > like to be able to print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes > >> > > want to print old files and not have to preview them first. > >> > > >> > Printing from one of the viewers is pretty much the recommended > >> > method. > >> > >> Should we then have a 'print' entry in the File-menu? > > > > I wonder about that myself. I never use it (I always print from a > > viewer), although that's partly because I don't have a PS-aware printer. > > Beyond that, it's not entirely obvious (at least to a newbie) just what > > File->Print is going to print, since DVI, PS and PDF outputs of the same > > doc tend to differ a bit. > > Does it seem strange to have a "document processor" that cannot print? > > I'd be ok with using the viewer, but it's confusing with a File->Print > that doesn't work. Christian, The problem with that thought is that on my system it Just Works, without any arcane settings. And mine is not a particularly simple setup: I'm running Gentoo Linux, with CUPS printing, on a rather complicated network, and LyX just defaults to running a document through dvips and sending it to the default printer. However . . . as many LyX users do, I usually use pdflatex for my default preview and most common export. And some figures which work perfectly with pdflatex do not work at all with latex. When I try to print a document with such figures, the printing fails with the message: "Could not print document name.lyx. Check that your printer is set up correctly." Perhaps this is exactly the problem Paul has encountered: the error message gives the impression it is a printer problem, whereas the real problem is the difference between latex and pdflatex. -- Les ~~ Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
Re: Using a network printer
Les Denham wrote: Perhaps this is exactly the problem Paul has encountered: the error message gives the impression it is a printer problem, whereas the real problem is the difference between latex and pdflatex. That's the more dramatic version, but even when the document compiles successfully, it may look different generated one way versus another. For instance, I think that font substitutions can occur with, say, a PDF file that would not occur (or would occur differently) with a DVI file, and I believe that graphics are handled somewhat differently by one approach versus another. If all you want is the printed output, this might be ok, but if you are printing a copy (as PS output, perhaps without realizing it) while generating a file (say PDF) for distribution, you might get short-hopped by the differences. I always try to print from a viewer looking at the final distribution version. /Paul
Re: Using a network printer
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 05:02:54PM +, Dave Wood wrote: How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can print by viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would like to be able to print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes want to print old files and not have to preview them first. Printing from one of the viewers is pretty much the recommended method. Andre'
Re: Using a network printer
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 05:02:54PM +, Dave Wood wrote: How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can print by viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would like to be able to print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes want to print old files and not have to preview them first. Printing from one of the viewers is pretty much the recommended method. Andre'
Re: Using a network printer
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 05:02:54PM +, Dave Wood wrote: > How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can print by > viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would like to be able to > print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes want to print old files and > not have to preview them first. Printing from one of the viewers is pretty much the recommended method. Andre'
Using a network printer
How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can print by viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would like to be able to print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes want to print old files and not have to preview them first. I have tried using the cups printer name, the server address:port etc to no avail. -- The ladies men admire, I've heard, Would shudder at a wicked word. Their candle gives a single light; They'd rather stay at home at night. They do not keep awake till three, Nor read erotic poetry. They never sanction the impure, Nor recognize an overture. They shrink from powders and from paints ... So far, I've had no complaints. -- Dorothy Parker
Re: Using a network printer
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, Dave Wood wrote: How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can print by viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would like to be able to print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes want to print old files and not have to preview them first. I have tried using the cups printer name, the server address:port etc to no avail. I might have the same problem (Ubuntu), where other programs see the network printer, but not LyX. I can of course provide the details if that'll help. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Using a network printer
How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can print by viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would like to be able to print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes want to print old files and not have to preview them first. I have tried using the cups printer name, the server address:port etc to no avail. -- The ladies men admire, I've heard, Would shudder at a wicked word. Their candle gives a single light; They'd rather stay at home at night. They do not keep awake till three, Nor read erotic poetry. They never sanction the impure, Nor recognize an overture. They shrink from powders and from paints ... So far, I've had no complaints. -- Dorothy Parker
Re: Using a network printer
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, Dave Wood wrote: How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can print by viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would like to be able to print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes want to print old files and not have to preview them first. I have tried using the cups printer name, the server address:port etc to no avail. I might have the same problem (Ubuntu), where other programs see the network printer, but not LyX. I can of course provide the details if that'll help. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Using a network printer
How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can print by viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would like to be able to print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes want to print old files and not have to preview them first. I have tried using the cups printer name, the server address:port etc to no avail. -- The ladies men admire, I've heard, Would shudder at a wicked word. Their candle gives a single light; They'd rather stay at home at night. They do not keep awake till three, Nor read erotic poetry. They never sanction the impure, Nor recognize an overture. They shrink from powders and from paints ... So far, I've had no complaints. -- Dorothy Parker
Re: Using a network printer
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, Dave Wood wrote: How do I set up Lyx to use a network printer? At the moment I can print by viewing as pdf in kpdf which sees my printer. I would like to be able to print direct from Lyx though, as I sometimes want to print old files and not have to preview them first. I have tried using the cups printer name, the server address:port etc to no avail. I might have the same problem (Ubuntu), where other programs see the network printer, but not LyX. I can of course provide the details if that'll help. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
