Re: align left and hyphenation

[Helge Hafting]

Marcelo Acuÿf1a wrote:


So you have to fill in the index entry, but no need to worry
about how to write the name. Just paste it.
   



I think that this idea is not a solution well.
 


Sure.  It is not a solution, but a way of easing the work with the
existing lyx.  Getting your index dialog will take some time, even
if someone is eager to implement it.


* That index entry is now in the paste buffer.  Move through the
text, whenever you need the index entry, just position the cursor
and press ctrl+v (or the edit-paste menu choice)
   


This method is better than previous, for now I am using
this, but I think that my suggestion generate lowest load
of work for author.
 


Indeed, but there is a feature freeze right now.


This work very well!
Before I posted about index entry I search in Google for 
“Lyx multi-level index entry” and I can't get nothing of this.

I need reference manuals, Where I can download it?
 


I don't think there is a index manual for lyx, but there are
manuals for latex.  Some must be bought, some are free.

On a linux system, you typically get all the free documentation with
your latex installation. On a debian linux system, see the file
/usr/share/doc/texmf/latex/tex-refs/makeindex-special-effects.html
On other systems, search for this file on the harddisk or on the internet.
For example: 
http://www.miwie.org/tex-refs/html/makeindex-special-effects.html


Note that this file describes the index commands like this:
\indexentry{test}{4}
The stuff in the first set of braces is what you'll type into the lyx
index entry box.  The second brace holds the page number which you never
worry about - page numbers are generated automatically. Also ignore
instructions about how to run the makeindex and latex programs, lyx 
will do

all that for you.

The document describes:
* multilevel indexes (first level!second!third)

* the |see command for see other index entry

* how to apply special formatting to  the word in the index. Useful if 
you want
  small-caps names in the index as well.  This technique is also useful 
if you
  want to put  nonword stuff into the index (small pictures, formulas, 
words
  in non-latin script) as you can separate the sorting key and the 
appearance.


* how to apply special formatting to the page number. This is useful
 if you have lots of references to an entry but one of them is
 more important than the others.

* how you set up page ranges, i.e.  something|( followed by
 something|) on a later page could turn into something, 14-47
 That avoids entering a lot of index entries for  a word that gets
 mentioned over and over.

Last but not least:  Don't go overboard with indexing. My publisher
told me to try for maximum three references for any word, and preferably
just one.  This because people reading the book are usually not going to 
look

up 23 different references anyway, so such an index is useless.

Perhaps your kind of writing requires you to index each and every use of 
a name,

but still, consider the advice for any words where you are free to choose.
More generic: How the reader will _use_ the index is the important thing,
not the softwares ability to deal with a really complex index .  .  .



About left align vs justify I suggest
 http://desktoppub.about.com/od/typelayout/


Thanks, lots of interesting stuff there.

Helge Hafting

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Marcelo Acuÿfffff1a]

Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
On a linux system, you typically get all the free documentation with
your latex installation. On a debian linux system, see the file
/usr/share/doc/texmf/latex/tex-refs/makeindex-special-effects.html
On other systems, search for this file on the harddisk or on the internet.
For example: 
http://www.miwie.org/tex-refs/html/makeindex-special-effects.html

Note that this file describes the index commands like this:
\indexentry{test}{4}
The stuff in the first set of braces is what you'll type into the lyx
index entry box. The second brace holds the page number which you never
worry about - page numbers are generated automatically. Also ignore
instructions about how to run the makeindex and latex programs, lyx 
will do
all that for you.

About left align vs justify I suggest
 http://desktoppub.about.com/od/typelayout/

Thanks, lots of interesting stuff there.

Helge Hafting
   
  Thanks. 
  Marcelo Acuña
  
 



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Re: align left and hyphenation

[Helge Hafting]

Marcelo Acuÿf1a wrote:


So you have to fill in the index entry, but no need to worry
about how to write the name. Just paste it.
   



I think that this idea is not a solution well.
 


Sure.  It is not a solution, but a way of easing the work with the
existing lyx.  Getting your index dialog will take some time, even
if someone is eager to implement it.


* That index entry is now in the paste buffer.  Move through the
text, whenever you need the index entry, just position the cursor
and press ctrl+v (or the edit-paste menu choice)
   


This method is better than previous, for now I am using
this, but I think that my suggestion generate lowest load
of work for author.
 


Indeed, but there is a feature freeze right now.


This work very well!
Before I posted about index entry I search in Google for 
“Lyx multi-level index entry” and I can't get nothing of this.

I need reference manuals, Where I can download it?
 


I don't think there is a index manual for lyx, but there are
manuals for latex.  Some must be bought, some are free.

On a linux system, you typically get all the free documentation with
your latex installation. On a debian linux system, see the file
/usr/share/doc/texmf/latex/tex-refs/makeindex-special-effects.html
On other systems, search for this file on the harddisk or on the internet.
For example: 
http://www.miwie.org/tex-refs/html/makeindex-special-effects.html


Note that this file describes the index commands like this:
\indexentry{test}{4}
The stuff in the first set of braces is what you'll type into the lyx
index entry box.  The second brace holds the page number which you never
worry about - page numbers are generated automatically. Also ignore
instructions about how to run the makeindex and latex programs, lyx 
will do

all that for you.

The document describes:
* multilevel indexes (first level!second!third)

* the |see command for see other index entry

* how to apply special formatting to  the word in the index. Useful if 
you want
  small-caps names in the index as well.  This technique is also useful 
if you
  want to put  nonword stuff into the index (small pictures, formulas, 
words
  in non-latin script) as you can separate the sorting key and the 
appearance.


* how to apply special formatting to the page number. This is useful
 if you have lots of references to an entry but one of them is
 more important than the others.

* how you set up page ranges, i.e.  something|( followed by
 something|) on a later page could turn into something, 14-47
 That avoids entering a lot of index entries for  a word that gets
 mentioned over and over.

Last but not least:  Don't go overboard with indexing. My publisher
told me to try for maximum three references for any word, and preferably
just one.  This because people reading the book are usually not going to 
look

up 23 different references anyway, so such an index is useless.

Perhaps your kind of writing requires you to index each and every use of 
a name,

but still, consider the advice for any words where you are free to choose.
More generic: How the reader will _use_ the index is the important thing,
not the softwares ability to deal with a really complex index .  .  .



About left align vs justify I suggest
 http://desktoppub.about.com/od/typelayout/


Thanks, lots of interesting stuff there.

Helge Hafting

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Marcelo Acuÿfffff1a]

Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
On a linux system, you typically get all the free documentation with
your latex installation. On a debian linux system, see the file
/usr/share/doc/texmf/latex/tex-refs/makeindex-special-effects.html
On other systems, search for this file on the harddisk or on the internet.
For example: 
http://www.miwie.org/tex-refs/html/makeindex-special-effects.html

Note that this file describes the index commands like this:
\indexentry{test}{4}
The stuff in the first set of braces is what you'll type into the lyx
index entry box. The second brace holds the page number which you never
worry about - page numbers are generated automatically. Also ignore
instructions about how to run the makeindex and latex programs, lyx 
will do
all that for you.

About left align vs justify I suggest
 http://desktoppub.about.com/od/typelayout/

Thanks, lots of interesting stuff there.

Helge Hafting
   
  Thanks. 
  Marcelo Acuña
  
 



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Re: align left and hyphenation

[Helge Hafting]

Marcelo Acuÿf1a wrote:


So you have to fill in the index entry, but no need to worry
about how to write the name. Just paste it.
   



I think that this idea is not a solution well.
 


Sure.  It is not a solution, but a way of easing the work with the
existing lyx.  Getting your index dialog will take some time, even
if someone is eager to implement it.


* That index entry is now in the paste buffer.  Move through the
text, whenever you need the index entry, just position the cursor
and press ctrl+v (or the edit->paste menu choice)
   


This method is better than previous, for now I am using
this, but I think that my suggestion generate lowest load
of work for author.
 


Indeed, but there is a feature freeze right now.


This work very well!
Before I posted about index entry I search in Google for 
“Lyx multi-level index entry” and I can't get nothing of this.

I need reference manuals, Where I can download it?
 


I don't think there is a index manual for lyx, but there are
manuals for latex.  Some must be bought, some are free.

On a linux system, you typically get all the free documentation with
your latex installation. On a debian linux system, see the file
/usr/share/doc/texmf/latex/tex-refs/makeindex-special-effects.html
On other systems, search for this file on the harddisk or on the internet.
For example: 
http://www.miwie.org/tex-refs/html/makeindex-special-effects.html


Note that this file describes the index commands like this:
\indexentry{test}{4}
The stuff in the first set of braces is what you'll type into the lyx
index entry box.  The second brace holds the page number which you never
worry about - page numbers are generated automatically. Also ignore
instructions about how to run the "makeindex" and "latex" programs, lyx 
will do

all that for you.

The document describes:
* multilevel indexes (first level!second!third)

* the "|see" command for "see other index entry"

* how to apply special formatting to  the word in the index. Useful if 
you want
  small-caps names in the index as well.  This technique is also useful 
if you
  want to put  nonword stuff into the index (small pictures, formulas, 
words
  in non-latin script) as you can separate the sorting key and the 
appearance.


* how to apply special formatting to the page number. This is useful
 if you have lots of references to an entry but one of them is
 more important than the others.

* how you set up page ranges, i.e.  "something|(" followed by
 "something|)" on a later page could turn into "something, 14-47"
 That avoids entering a lot of index entries for  a word that gets
 mentioned over and over.

Last but not least:  Don't go overboard with indexing. My publisher
told me to try for maximum three references for any word, and preferably
just one.  This because people reading the book are usually not going to 
look

up 23 different references anyway, so such an index is useless.

Perhaps your kind of writing requires you to index each and every use of 
a name,

but still, consider the advice for any words where you are free to choose.
More generic: How the reader will _use_ the index is the important thing,
not the softwares ability to deal with a really complex index .  .  .



About left align vs justify I suggest
 http://desktoppub.about.com/od/typelayout/


Thanks, lots of interesting stuff there.

Helge Hafting

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Marcelo Acuÿfffff1a]

Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:>
>On a linux system, you typically get all the free documentation with
>your latex installation. On a debian linux system, see the file
>/usr/share/doc/texmf/latex/tex-refs/makeindex-special-effects.html
>On other systems, search for this file on the harddisk or on the >internet.
>For example: 
>http://www.miwie.org/tex-refs/html/makeindex-special-effects.html
>
>Note that this file describes the index commands like this:
>\indexentry{test}{4}
>The stuff in the first set of braces is what you'll type into the lyx
>index entry box. The second brace holds the page number which you >never
>worry about - page numbers are generated automatically. Also ignore
>instructions about how to run the "makeindex" and "latex" programs, >lyx 
>will do
>all that for you.
>
>>About left align vs justify I suggest
>> http://desktoppub.about.com/od/typelayout/
>>
>Thanks, lots of interesting stuff there.
>
>Helge Hafting
   
  Thanks. 
  Marcelo Acuña
  
 



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Re: align left and hyphenation

[Eric S Fraga]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 11:24:38PM +, Jose' Matos wrote:
   I find it ironic defending a subject because it is pseudo-WYSIWYG in a lyx 
 list. ;-)

Actually, I would suggest that HTML is actually closer in concept to LyX
than it is to anything wysiwyg...  but please don't take this as support for
HTML email!

cheers,
eric
-- 
 Eric S. Fraga, Department of Chemical Engineering, UCL, London
***.*..**.*.*...***.***.*...*...***.*...

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Marcelo Acuÿfffff1a]

  Thanks for help me, Helge!

   I think that Lyx is very good for mathematics 
   but for history, sociology, etc. advantage is
   reduced for difficult to learn and poor tool
   for index entry.
 
  1) Difficult for index entry without assist.
  Examples:
  
   a) I have in my book: Otto von Bismark-Schonhausen
   I put the cursor at the end of this name, click on 
  Insert  Index Entry and get a dialog box with the
  word Schonhausen, then I must add the rest of name
  without any misspelling each time that this name
  appears.
  
   Note that in a book, after first mention, author
  only write last name but when make index entry he need
  remember the whole name. When the author make index
  entry and arrive at the middle of book encounter
  hundred of last names: Bismark? ... ehh ... with or
  without von? ... Oto or Otto? ... Schonhauser?
  ... Schonhaussen? ... Schomberg?
  Of course, Germans have not problem with names
  like this, but Germans have problems with French,
  Spanish, Russian, etc.
 

 I see the problem.  Of course lyx can't really know what part
 of the text is a name and what is just a word.

I put all names in Small Caps. This can be a criteria.
But not only names appears in Alphabetical Index,
too issues, names of institutions, etc., appears.

  So it guesses that you want to index a single word.
  Even if we had a name mode then lyx would be hard
 pressed to know exactly how many of the previous words
 belongs to a name.

 You can make this work easier bu using cut  paste
 smartly though. If I want to index Otto von
 Bismark-Schonhausen then I know that lyx is only going
 to get Schonhausen for me. So I mark Otto von Bismark-
 (using mouse or keyboard), then positions the cursor and insert
 an index entry.  Click on the entry, position the cursor in front
 of Schonhausen.  Then paste the rest, for linux users that
 usually done by pressing the middle mouse button.

So you have to fill in the index entry, but no need to worry
about how to write the name. Just paste it.

I think that this idea is not a solution well.

 Another trick, if you're indexing one author at a time:
 * Create a single index entry, as above
 * Now mark the entire index entry (not the text inside, but
 the entry itself)
 * Press ctrl+c (or the menu choice edit-copy)
 * That index entry is now in the paste buffer.  Move through the
 text, whenever you need the index entry, just position the cursor
 and press ctrl+v (or the edit-paste menu choice)

 This is much easier and faster than typing the name over and over.
 Probably not perfect for your use, but it can  make work easier
 while waiting for the next round of development in which
 new features _may_ be developed.

This method is better than previous, for now I am using
this, but I think that my suggestion generate lowest load
of work for author.
 
   I suggest a dialog box that show an alphabetical
 list of previous entries and that to allow choose
 and pick up a complete index entry of this list,
 or add a new entry.
 
 Seems like a good idea - it'd certainly make it easier to
 move through a text indexing hundreds of different people. 

 
 2) Absence of sub-issues.
 Example:
 I need get it.
 Bonaparte, Napoleon, 7,8, 56, 95.
Bonaparte in Egypt, 111-119, 142.
Bonaparte in Italy, 39, 160, 184.
 
 Lyx already has this:
 Index 
 Bonaparte!in Egypt 
 Bonaparte!in Italy

 To get the second level.  You can have three levels too
 if you like, such as Bonaparte!in Egypt!admiring pyramids

 
 3) Absence of item without page number.
 Examples:
 I need get it.
  Stalin (see Dzhugachvili, Iosif Visarionovich)
  von Radetz, count Radetzky (see Radetzky, Joseph) 
 

 Lyx has it, index this:
 Stalin|see Dzhugachvili, Iosif Visarionovich
 Well, you may have to do some tricks to get parantheses
  just like that.
 Note that symbols like |#65533;!{} and a few others have special meaning
 inside the index entry box.  You can do all index entry tricks that
 latex supports, which is a lot.  There are reference manuals
 for this if you're interested.
 
This work very well!
Before I posted about index entry I search in Google for 
“Lyx multi-level index entry” and I can't get nothing of this.
I need reference manuals, Where I can download it?


 I am not a C programmer. Sorry.
 
 Many aren't.  Consider asking about this again when lyx 1.5
 development opens up.  You might get a volunteer willing
 to make that dialog box you suggested.  It doesn't seem that
 hard.  Actually, go over to bugzilla.lyx.org and file a
 wishlist bug so it won't be forgotten!

 Non-programmers can still organize help, such as finding
 out exactly what would be useful for the most people without
 being too difficult to do, looking for volunteer programmers,
 or even raise money when a volunteer can't be found.

 Helge Hafting


About left align vs justify I suggest
  http://desktoppub.about.com/od/typelayout/
  “If someone insists that 

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Eric S Fraga]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 11:24:38PM +, Jose' Matos wrote:
   I find it ironic defending a subject because it is pseudo-WYSIWYG in a lyx 
 list. ;-)

Actually, I would suggest that HTML is actually closer in concept to LyX
than it is to anything wysiwyg...  but please don't take this as support for
HTML email!

cheers,
eric
-- 
 Eric S. Fraga, Department of Chemical Engineering, UCL, London
***.*..**.*.*...***.***.*...*...***.*...

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Marcelo Acuÿfffff1a]

  Thanks for help me, Helge!

   I think that Lyx is very good for mathematics 
   but for history, sociology, etc. advantage is
   reduced for difficult to learn and poor tool
   for index entry.
 
  1) Difficult for index entry without assist.
  Examples:
  
   a) I have in my book: Otto von Bismark-Schonhausen
   I put the cursor at the end of this name, click on 
  Insert  Index Entry and get a dialog box with the
  word Schonhausen, then I must add the rest of name
  without any misspelling each time that this name
  appears.
  
   Note that in a book, after first mention, author
  only write last name but when make index entry he need
  remember the whole name. When the author make index
  entry and arrive at the middle of book encounter
  hundred of last names: Bismark? ... ehh ... with or
  without von? ... Oto or Otto? ... Schonhauser?
  ... Schonhaussen? ... Schomberg?
  Of course, Germans have not problem with names
  like this, but Germans have problems with French,
  Spanish, Russian, etc.
 

 I see the problem.  Of course lyx can't really know what part
 of the text is a name and what is just a word.

I put all names in Small Caps. This can be a criteria.
But not only names appears in Alphabetical Index,
too issues, names of institutions, etc., appears.

  So it guesses that you want to index a single word.
  Even if we had a name mode then lyx would be hard
 pressed to know exactly how many of the previous words
 belongs to a name.

 You can make this work easier bu using cut  paste
 smartly though. If I want to index Otto von
 Bismark-Schonhausen then I know that lyx is only going
 to get Schonhausen for me. So I mark Otto von Bismark-
 (using mouse or keyboard), then positions the cursor and insert
 an index entry.  Click on the entry, position the cursor in front
 of Schonhausen.  Then paste the rest, for linux users that
 usually done by pressing the middle mouse button.

So you have to fill in the index entry, but no need to worry
about how to write the name. Just paste it.

I think that this idea is not a solution well.

 Another trick, if you're indexing one author at a time:
 * Create a single index entry, as above
 * Now mark the entire index entry (not the text inside, but
 the entry itself)
 * Press ctrl+c (or the menu choice edit-copy)
 * That index entry is now in the paste buffer.  Move through the
 text, whenever you need the index entry, just position the cursor
 and press ctrl+v (or the edit-paste menu choice)

 This is much easier and faster than typing the name over and over.
 Probably not perfect for your use, but it can  make work easier
 while waiting for the next round of development in which
 new features _may_ be developed.

This method is better than previous, for now I am using
this, but I think that my suggestion generate lowest load
of work for author.
 
   I suggest a dialog box that show an alphabetical
 list of previous entries and that to allow choose
 and pick up a complete index entry of this list,
 or add a new entry.
 
 Seems like a good idea - it'd certainly make it easier to
 move through a text indexing hundreds of different people. 

 
 2) Absence of sub-issues.
 Example:
 I need get it.
 Bonaparte, Napoleon, 7,8, 56, 95.
Bonaparte in Egypt, 111-119, 142.
Bonaparte in Italy, 39, 160, 184.
 
 Lyx already has this:
 Index 
 Bonaparte!in Egypt 
 Bonaparte!in Italy

 To get the second level.  You can have three levels too
 if you like, such as Bonaparte!in Egypt!admiring pyramids

 
 3) Absence of item without page number.
 Examples:
 I need get it.
  Stalin (see Dzhugachvili, Iosif Visarionovich)
  von Radetz, count Radetzky (see Radetzky, Joseph) 
 

 Lyx has it, index this:
 Stalin|see Dzhugachvili, Iosif Visarionovich
 Well, you may have to do some tricks to get parantheses
  just like that.
 Note that symbols like |#65533;!{} and a few others have special meaning
 inside the index entry box.  You can do all index entry tricks that
 latex supports, which is a lot.  There are reference manuals
 for this if you're interested.
 
This work very well!
Before I posted about index entry I search in Google for 
“Lyx multi-level index entry” and I can't get nothing of this.
I need reference manuals, Where I can download it?


 I am not a C programmer. Sorry.
 
 Many aren't.  Consider asking about this again when lyx 1.5
 development opens up.  You might get a volunteer willing
 to make that dialog box you suggested.  It doesn't seem that
 hard.  Actually, go over to bugzilla.lyx.org and file a
 wishlist bug so it won't be forgotten!

 Non-programmers can still organize help, such as finding
 out exactly what would be useful for the most people without
 being too difficult to do, looking for volunteer programmers,
 or even raise money when a volunteer can't be found.

 Helge Hafting


About left align vs justify I suggest
  http://desktoppub.about.com/od/typelayout/
  “If someone insists that 

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Eric S Fraga]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 11:24:38PM +, Jose' Matos wrote:
>   I find it ironic defending a subject because it is pseudo-WYSIWYG in a lyx 
> list. ;-)

Actually, I would suggest that HTML is actually closer in concept to LyX
than it is to anything wysiwyg...  but please don't take this as support for
HTML email!

cheers,
eric
-- 
 Eric S. Fraga, Department of Chemical Engineering, UCL, London
***.*..**.*.*...***.***.*...*...***.*...

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Marcelo Acuÿfffff1a]

  Thanks for help me, Helge!

>>>   I think that Lyx is very good for mathematics 
>>>   but for history, sociology, etc. advantage is
>>>   reduced for difficult to learn and poor tool
>>>   for index entry.
> 
>>  1) Difficult for index entry without assist.
>>  Examples:
>  
>>   a) I have in my book: Otto von Bismark-Schonhausen
>>   I put the cursor at the end of this name, click on 
>>  Insert > Index Entry and get a dialog box with the
>>  word Schonhausen, then I must add the rest of name
>>  without any misspelling each time that this name
>>  appears.
>>  
>>   Note that in a book, after first mention, author
>>  only write last name but when make index entry he need
>>  remember the whole name. When the author make index
>>  entry and arrive at the middle of book encounter
>>  hundred of last names: Bismark? ... ehh ... with or
>>  without von? ... Oto or Otto? ... Schonhauser?
>>  ... Schonhaussen? ... Schomberg?
>>  Of course, Germans have not problem with names
>>  like this, but Germans have problems with French,
>>  Spanish, Russian, etc.
>> 

> I see the problem.  Of course lyx can't really know what part
> of the text is a name and what is just a word.

I put all names in Small Caps. This can be a criteria.
But not only names appears in Alphabetical Index,
too issues, names of institutions, etc., appears.

>  So it guesses that you want to index a single word.
>  Even if we had a "name mode" then lyx would be hard
> pressed to know exactly how many of the previous words
> belongs to a name.

> You can make this work easier bu using cut & paste
> smartly though. If I want to index "Otto von
> Bismark-Schonhausen" then I know that lyx is only going
> to get "Schonhausen" for me. So I mark "Otto von Bismark-"
> (using mouse or keyboard), then positions the cursor and insert
> an index entry.  Click on the entry, position the cursor in front
> of "Schonhausen".  Then paste the rest, for linux users that
> usually done by pressing the middle mouse button.
>
>So you have to fill in the index entry, but no need to worry
>about how to write the name. Just paste it.

I think that this idea is not a solution well.

> Another trick, if you're indexing one author at a time:
> * Create a single index entry, as above
> * Now mark the entire index entry (not the text inside, but
> the entry itself)
> * Press ctrl+c (or the menu choice edit->copy)
> * That index entry is now in the paste buffer.  Move through the
> text, whenever you need the index entry, just position the cursor
> and press ctrl+v (or the edit->paste menu choice)

> This is much easier and faster than typing the name over and over.
> Probably not perfect for your use, but it can  make work easier
> while waiting for the next round of development in which
> new features _may_ be developed.

This method is better than previous, for now I am using
this, but I think that my suggestion generate lowest load
of work for author.
 
>>   I suggest a dialog box that show an alphabetical
>> list of previous entries and that to allow choose
>> and pick up a complete index entry of this list,
>> or add a new entry.
>> 
> Seems like a good idea - it'd certainly make it easier to
> move through a text indexing hundreds of different people. 

>> 
>> 2) Absence of sub-issues.
>> Example:
>> I need get it.
>> Bonaparte, Napoleon, 7,8, 56, 95.
>>Bonaparte in Egypt, 111-119, 142.
>>Bonaparte in Italy, 39, 160, 184.
>> 
> Lyx already has this:
> Index 
> "Bonaparte!in Egypt" 
> "Bonaparte!in Italy"
>
> To get the second level.  You can have three levels too
> if you like, such as "Bonaparte!in Egypt!admiring pyramids"
>
>> 
>> 3) Absence of item without page number.
>> Examples:
>> I need get it.
>>  Stalin (see Dzhugachvili, Iosif Visarionovich)
>>  von Radetz, count Radetzky (see Radetzky, Joseph) 
>> 
>
> Lyx has it, index this:
> "Stalin|see Dzhugachvili, Iosif Visarionovich"
> Well, you may have to do some tricks to get parantheses
>  just like that.
> Note that symbols like |!{}" and a few others have special meaning
> inside the index entry box.  You can do all index entry tricks that
> latex supports, which is a lot.  There are reference manuals
> for this if you're interested.
 
This work very well!
Before I posted about index entry I search in Google for 
“Lyx multi-level index entry” and I can't get nothing of this.
I need reference manuals, Where I can download it?


>> I am not a C programmer. Sorry.
>> 
> Many aren't.  Consider asking about this again when lyx 1.5
> development opens up.  You might get a volunteer willing
> to make that dialog box you suggested.  It doesn't seem that
> hard.  Actually, go over to bugzilla.lyx.org and file a
> "wishlist bug" so it won't be forgotten!
>
> Non-programmers can still organize help, such as finding
> out exactly what would be useful for the most people without
> being too difficult to do, looking for volunteer programmers,
> or even 

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Marcelo Acuÿfffff1a]

 I think that Lyx is very good for mathematics 
   but for history, sociology, etc. advantage is
   reduced for difficult to learn and poor tool
   for index entry.

 Lyx has multi-level index entries.  The question
 becomes - what is the problem?  We who don't do
 history/sociology can't really know what you're
 missing.

  A book of history, sociology, journalist research,
etc., have several pages with several hundred of
names, issues, sub-issues in alphabetical order.
  This index is a greatest, bored and very difficult
work without a smart tool for it.

 A good detailed description of the problem is a
 good base.


1) Difficult for index entry without assist.
 Examples:
 
  a) I have in my book: Otto von Bismark-Schonhausen
  I put the cursor at the end of this name, click on 
Insert  Index Entry and get a dialog box with the
word Schonhausen, then I must add the rest of name
without any misspelling each time that this name
appears.
 
  b) I have: Karl August von Hardenberg
 Again, I get in dialog box Hardenberg and I must
add the rest of the name without any error each time.

  Note that in a book, after first mention, author
only write last name but when make index entry he need
remember the whole name. When the author make index
entry and arrive at the middle of book encounter
hundred of last names: Bismark? ... ehh ... with or
without von? ... Oto or Otto? ... Schonhauser?
... Schonhaussen? ... Schomberg?
Of course, Germans have not problem with names
like this, but Germans have problems with French,
Spanish, Russian, etc.

  A book may contain several hundred of names in
foreign languages, each name may appears several
tens of times, and dialog box not have any assist
for this work.

  I suggest a dialog box that show an alphabetical
list of previous entries and that to allow choose
and pick up a complete index entry of this list,
or add a new entry.


2) Absence of sub-issues.
Example:
I need get it.
Bonaparte, Napoleon, 7,8, 56, 95.
   Bonaparte in Egypt, 111-119, 142.
   Bonaparte in Italy, 39, 160, 184.


3) Absence of item without page number.
Examples:
I need get it.
 Stalin (see Dzhugachvili, Iosif Visarionovich)
 von Radetz, count Radetzky (see Radetzky, Joseph) 



 If you can point out how the ideal solution ought to be,
 then that helps too of course.

For case 1 this was made. For case 3 may be add to the dialog box a check box 
with option for no page number. For case 2, dialog box must allow choose an 
index entry and mark a check box for sub-issue.

 The very best way to ask for new features is to provide  a patch 
 implementing them. :-)  Unfortunately, only
 programmers can do that.

I am not a C programmer. Sorry.

 Note that nothing new will be added to lyx right now,
   as all work goes into bugfixing before the release of
   the upcoming lyx 1.4.0. But feel free to plan future
 enhancements.

OK. I understand this.
  I was seduced for Lyx promise that Lyx will take it
the load of work and that the author will forget the
most of this routine work. I think that this idea is
brilliant and that implementing more assist to the
author the number of users of Lyx will be greater.
  Assist to index entry and other features (like a
front-end with radio buttons and check box for
several options that currently we get editing preamble
and adding several lines of code;
spell check “in flight”;
grammar check (in Spanish, please);
plug-in that show a list of synonymous of a word
(again, multi-language);
will extend Lyx from mathematical authors to
the rest of world.

 Helge Hafting

Ehh! I noted that, in this letter, right border
is very ragged ;-)

Regards.

Marcelo Acuña




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Re: align left and hyphenation

[Helge Hafting]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 11:55:37AM -0300, Marcelo Acuÿf1a wrote:
  I think that Lyx is very good for mathematics 
but for history, sociology, etc. advantage is
reduced for difficult to learn and poor tool
for index entry.
 
  Lyx has multi-level index entries.  The question
  becomes - what is the problem?  We who don't do
  history/sociology can't really know what you're
  missing.
 
   A book of history, sociology, journalist research,
 etc., have several pages with several hundred of
 names, issues, sub-issues in alphabetical order.
   This index is a greatest, bored and very difficult
 work without a smart tool for it.
 
  A good detailed description of the problem is a
  good base.
 
 
 1) Difficult for index entry without assist.
  Examples:
  
   a) I have in my book: Otto von Bismark-Schonhausen
   I put the cursor at the end of this name, click on 
 Insert  Index Entry and get a dialog box with the
 word Schonhausen, then I must add the rest of name
 without any misspelling each time that this name
 appears.
  
   b) I have: Karl August von Hardenberg
  Again, I get in dialog box Hardenberg and I must
 add the rest of the name without any error each time.
 
   Note that in a book, after first mention, author
 only write last name but when make index entry he need
 remember the whole name. When the author make index
 entry and arrive at the middle of book encounter
 hundred of last names: Bismark? ... ehh ... with or
 without von? ... Oto or Otto? ... Schonhauser?
 ... Schonhaussen? ... Schomberg?
 Of course, Germans have not problem with names
 like this, but Germans have problems with French,
 Spanish, Russian, etc.
 
I see the problem.  Of course lyx can't really know what part of the
text is a name and what is just a word.  So it guesses that
you want to index a single word.  Even if we had a name mode
then lyx would be hard pressed to know exactly how many of the
previous words belongs to a name.

You can make this work easier bu using cut  paste smartly though.
If I want to index Otto von Bismark-Schonhausen then I know that
lyx is only going to get Schonhausen for me. So I mark
Otto von Bismark- (using mouse or keyboard), then positions the
cursor and insert an index entry.  Click on the entry, position
the cursor in front of Schonhausen.  Then paste the rest, for
linux users that usually done by pressing the middle mouse button.

So you have to fill in the index entry, but no need to worry about how
to write the name. Just paste it.

Another trick, if you're indexing one author at a time:
* Create a single index entry, as above
* Now mark the entire index entry (not the text inside, but
  the entry itself)
* Press ctrl+c (or the menu choice edit-copy)
* That index entry is now in the paste buffer.  Move through the
  text, whenever you need the index entry, just position the cursor
  and press ctrl+v (or the edit-paste menu choice)

This is much easier and faster than typing the name over and over.
Probably not perfect for your use, but it can  make work easier
while waiting for the next round of development in which
new features _may_ be developed.

   A book may contain several hundred of names in
 foreign languages, each name may appears several
 tens of times, and dialog box not have any assist
 for this work.
 
   I suggest a dialog box that show an alphabetical
 list of previous entries and that to allow choose
 and pick up a complete index entry of this list,
 or add a new entry.
 
Seems like a good idea - it�'d certainly make it easier to
move through a text indexing hundreds of different people. 

 
 2) Absence of sub-issues.
 Example:
 I need get it.
 Bonaparte, Napoleon, 7,8, 56, 95.
Bonaparte in Egypt, 111-119, 142.
Bonaparte in Italy, 39, 160, 184.
 
Lyx already has this:
Index 
Bonaparte!in Egypt 
Bonaparte!in Italy

To get the second level.  You can have three levels too if you like,
such as Bonaparte!in Egypt!admiring pyramids

 
 3) Absence of item without page number.
 Examples:
 I need get it.
  Stalin (see Dzhugachvili, Iosif Visarionovich)
  von Radetz, count Radetzky (see Radetzky, Joseph) 
 

Lyx has it, index this:
Stalin|see Dzhugachvili, Iosif Visarionovich
Well, you may have to do some tricks to get parantheses just like that.

Note that symbols like |�!{} and a few others have special meaning
inside the index entry box.  You can do all index entry tricks that
latex supports, which is a lot.  There are reference manuals
for this if you're interested.
 
 
  If you can point out how the ideal solution ought to be,
  then that helps too of course.
 
 For case 1 this was made. For case 3 may be add to the dialog box a check box 
 with option for no page number. For case 2, dialog box must allow choose an 
 index entry and mark a check box for sub-issue.
 
  The very best way to ask for new features is to provide  a patch 
  implementing them. :-)  Unfortunately, only
  

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Jose' Matos]

On Monday 21 November 2005 17:26, Helge Hafting wrote:
 Sure, people insist on ascii/unicode email with no formatting.
 I can write justified email in html, but html is usually very
 unpopular on open-source lists due to all the people using
 non-html capable mailreaders.

  That is not the point and most of the people use capable html readers. Even 
most of the text based programs are html capable. I can found several of the 
reasons here:

  http://www.birdhouse.org/etc/evilmail.html

 Writing justified ascii can be done assuming all readers use a fixed-width
 font, but some doesn't. :-)

  What most email programs produce btw is a poor excuse of html, not even html 
is.

 Helge Hafting

  I find it ironic defending a subject because it is pseudo-WYSIWYG in a lyx 
list. ;-)
-- 
José Abílio

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Angus Leeming]

Jose' Matos wrote:

 On Monday 21 November 2005 17:26, Helge Hafting wrote:
 Sure, people insist on ascii/unicode email with no formatting.
 I can write justified email in html, but html is usually very
 unpopular on open-source lists due to all the people using
 non-html capable mailreaders.
 
   That is not the point and most of the people use capable html readers.
   Even most of the text based programs are html capable. I can found
   several of the reasons here:
 
   http://www.birdhouse.org/etc/evilmail.html

I think that the *real* point is that this is a religious issue. If you
write to an email list asking for help yet use html then you are likely to
be ignored by those who have taken the religious position that html email
is evil. Since this religion is followed by a very large percentage of
Open Source developers, you're removing many of those best able to answer
your question from your pool of answerers. It sort of defeats your purpose
for writing in the first place --- to ask for help.

The most coherent reason I've found to justify this religion is that html
email totally screws up many mail archiving softwares. Maybe that's a
reason to improve these softwares, but that doesn't really help us now.
Not posting html is today's solution.

Having said that, who said that religions need to be coherent?

-- 
Angus

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Jose' Matos]

On Tuesday 22 November 2005 00:10, Angus Leeming wrote:

 I think that the *real* point is that this is a religious issue. If you
 write to an email list asking for help yet use html then you are likely to
 be ignored by those who have taken the religious position that html email
 is evil. Since this religion is followed by a very large percentage of
 Open Source developers, you're removing many of those best able to answer
 your question from your pool of answerers. It sort of defeats your purpose
 for writing in the first place --- to ask for help.

  But so it does requiring the messages to be in (some sort of) english. Every 
group has its set of rules, even if sometimes not written. This seems to be 
one more example of that kind. :-)

 The most coherent reason I've found to justify this religion is that html
 email totally screws up many mail archiving softwares. Maybe that's a
 reason to improve these softwares, but that doesn't really help us now.
 Not posting html is today's solution.

1)  C'mon you are not telling me that phishing is a false problems, are you?

  So if we want to play safe we should be restricted to internal content.

2)  I have a distinct taste for high resolution screens, my laptop is 
1680*1050. (I know about those of 1920*1200).
  Most of the html messages I have seen look so different between them as they 
assume different sizes, different fonts...

  One solution to part of this is to control the css stylesheet used to render 
the page. I can do it, but then I defeat the reasons for html usage.

 Having said that, who said that religions need to be coherent?

  Not only that but they should not. It is always a question of referential.
-- 
José Abílio

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Stephen Harris]

- Original Message - 
From: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: align left and hyphenation



The most coherent reason I've found to justify this religion is that html
email totally screws up many mail archiving softwares. Maybe that's a
reason to improve these softwares, but that doesn't really help us now.
Not posting html is today's solution.

Having said that, who said that religions need to be coherent?

--
Angus




That brings up an interesting point. Due to the high volume of
email on the list I sometimes delete a message that I later want
to use. So I go to the Lyx Mailing list archive, do a search,
find the message, and then copy and paste it into my email
program which is set to use plain text. The result removes
spacing between words, lines and paragraphs, not as I view
it before sending, but when I later receive the copy I sent
from the mail list. Why is that? The LyXWiki also displays
creativity if you try to copy and paste it. It seems like there
are links built in that transport you to LyX on the internet
when you try to edit a line; the lined turned to purple and it
reminded me of the Damascus event, speaking of religion.

Plain Saul to Html Paul,
Stephen

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Marcelo Acuÿfffff1a]

 I think that Lyx is very good for mathematics 
   but for history, sociology, etc. advantage is
   reduced for difficult to learn and poor tool
   for index entry.

 Lyx has multi-level index entries.  The question
 becomes - what is the problem?  We who don't do
 history/sociology can't really know what you're
 missing.

  A book of history, sociology, journalist research,
etc., have several pages with several hundred of
names, issues, sub-issues in alphabetical order.
  This index is a greatest, bored and very difficult
work without a smart tool for it.

 A good detailed description of the problem is a
 good base.


1) Difficult for index entry without assist.
 Examples:
 
  a) I have in my book: Otto von Bismark-Schonhausen
  I put the cursor at the end of this name, click on 
Insert  Index Entry and get a dialog box with the
word Schonhausen, then I must add the rest of name
without any misspelling each time that this name
appears.
 
  b) I have: Karl August von Hardenberg
 Again, I get in dialog box Hardenberg and I must
add the rest of the name without any error each time.

  Note that in a book, after first mention, author
only write last name but when make index entry he need
remember the whole name. When the author make index
entry and arrive at the middle of book encounter
hundred of last names: Bismark? ... ehh ... with or
without von? ... Oto or Otto? ... Schonhauser?
... Schonhaussen? ... Schomberg?
Of course, Germans have not problem with names
like this, but Germans have problems with French,
Spanish, Russian, etc.

  A book may contain several hundred of names in
foreign languages, each name may appears several
tens of times, and dialog box not have any assist
for this work.

  I suggest a dialog box that show an alphabetical
list of previous entries and that to allow choose
and pick up a complete index entry of this list,
or add a new entry.


2) Absence of sub-issues.
Example:
I need get it.
Bonaparte, Napoleon, 7,8, 56, 95.
   Bonaparte in Egypt, 111-119, 142.
   Bonaparte in Italy, 39, 160, 184.


3) Absence of item without page number.
Examples:
I need get it.
 Stalin (see Dzhugachvili, Iosif Visarionovich)
 von Radetz, count Radetzky (see Radetzky, Joseph) 



 If you can point out how the ideal solution ought to be,
 then that helps too of course.

For case 1 this was made. For case 3 may be add to the dialog box a check box 
with option for no page number. For case 2, dialog box must allow choose an 
index entry and mark a check box for sub-issue.

 The very best way to ask for new features is to provide  a patch 
 implementing them. :-)  Unfortunately, only
 programmers can do that.

I am not a C programmer. Sorry.

 Note that nothing new will be added to lyx right now,
   as all work goes into bugfixing before the release of
   the upcoming lyx 1.4.0. But feel free to plan future
 enhancements.

OK. I understand this.
  I was seduced for Lyx promise that Lyx will take it
the load of work and that the author will forget the
most of this routine work. I think that this idea is
brilliant and that implementing more assist to the
author the number of users of Lyx will be greater.
  Assist to index entry and other features (like a
front-end with radio buttons and check box for
several options that currently we get editing preamble
and adding several lines of code;
spell check “in flight”;
grammar check (in Spanish, please);
plug-in that show a list of synonymous of a word
(again, multi-language);
will extend Lyx from mathematical authors to
the rest of world.

 Helge Hafting

Ehh! I noted that, in this letter, right border
is very ragged ;-)

Regards.

Marcelo Acuña




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Re: align left and hyphenation

[Helge Hafting]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 11:55:37AM -0300, Marcelo Acuÿf1a wrote:
  I think that Lyx is very good for mathematics 
but for history, sociology, etc. advantage is
reduced for difficult to learn and poor tool
for index entry.
 
  Lyx has multi-level index entries.  The question
  becomes - what is the problem?  We who don't do
  history/sociology can't really know what you're
  missing.
 
   A book of history, sociology, journalist research,
 etc., have several pages with several hundred of
 names, issues, sub-issues in alphabetical order.
   This index is a greatest, bored and very difficult
 work without a smart tool for it.
 
  A good detailed description of the problem is a
  good base.
 
 
 1) Difficult for index entry without assist.
  Examples:
  
   a) I have in my book: Otto von Bismark-Schonhausen
   I put the cursor at the end of this name, click on 
 Insert  Index Entry and get a dialog box with the
 word Schonhausen, then I must add the rest of name
 without any misspelling each time that this name
 appears.
  
   b) I have: Karl August von Hardenberg
  Again, I get in dialog box Hardenberg and I must
 add the rest of the name without any error each time.
 
   Note that in a book, after first mention, author
 only write last name but when make index entry he need
 remember the whole name. When the author make index
 entry and arrive at the middle of book encounter
 hundred of last names: Bismark? ... ehh ... with or
 without von? ... Oto or Otto? ... Schonhauser?
 ... Schonhaussen? ... Schomberg?
 Of course, Germans have not problem with names
 like this, but Germans have problems with French,
 Spanish, Russian, etc.
 
I see the problem.  Of course lyx can't really know what part of the
text is a name and what is just a word.  So it guesses that
you want to index a single word.  Even if we had a name mode
then lyx would be hard pressed to know exactly how many of the
previous words belongs to a name.

You can make this work easier bu using cut  paste smartly though.
If I want to index Otto von Bismark-Schonhausen then I know that
lyx is only going to get Schonhausen for me. So I mark
Otto von Bismark- (using mouse or keyboard), then positions the
cursor and insert an index entry.  Click on the entry, position
the cursor in front of Schonhausen.  Then paste the rest, for
linux users that usually done by pressing the middle mouse button.

So you have to fill in the index entry, but no need to worry about how
to write the name. Just paste it.

Another trick, if you're indexing one author at a time:
* Create a single index entry, as above
* Now mark the entire index entry (not the text inside, but
  the entry itself)
* Press ctrl+c (or the menu choice edit-copy)
* That index entry is now in the paste buffer.  Move through the
  text, whenever you need the index entry, just position the cursor
  and press ctrl+v (or the edit-paste menu choice)

This is much easier and faster than typing the name over and over.
Probably not perfect for your use, but it can  make work easier
while waiting for the next round of development in which
new features _may_ be developed.

   A book may contain several hundred of names in
 foreign languages, each name may appears several
 tens of times, and dialog box not have any assist
 for this work.
 
   I suggest a dialog box that show an alphabetical
 list of previous entries and that to allow choose
 and pick up a complete index entry of this list,
 or add a new entry.
 
Seems like a good idea - it�'d certainly make it easier to
move through a text indexing hundreds of different people. 

 
 2) Absence of sub-issues.
 Example:
 I need get it.
 Bonaparte, Napoleon, 7,8, 56, 95.
Bonaparte in Egypt, 111-119, 142.
Bonaparte in Italy, 39, 160, 184.
 
Lyx already has this:
Index 
Bonaparte!in Egypt 
Bonaparte!in Italy

To get the second level.  You can have three levels too if you like,
such as Bonaparte!in Egypt!admiring pyramids

 
 3) Absence of item without page number.
 Examples:
 I need get it.
  Stalin (see Dzhugachvili, Iosif Visarionovich)
  von Radetz, count Radetzky (see Radetzky, Joseph) 
 

Lyx has it, index this:
Stalin|see Dzhugachvili, Iosif Visarionovich
Well, you may have to do some tricks to get parantheses just like that.

Note that symbols like |�!{} and a few others have special meaning
inside the index entry box.  You can do all index entry tricks that
latex supports, which is a lot.  There are reference manuals
for this if you're interested.
 
 
  If you can point out how the ideal solution ought to be,
  then that helps too of course.
 
 For case 1 this was made. For case 3 may be add to the dialog box a check box 
 with option for no page number. For case 2, dialog box must allow choose an 
 index entry and mark a check box for sub-issue.
 
  The very best way to ask for new features is to provide  a patch 
  implementing them. :-)  Unfortunately, only
  

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Jose' Matos]

On Monday 21 November 2005 17:26, Helge Hafting wrote:
 Sure, people insist on ascii/unicode email with no formatting.
 I can write justified email in html, but html is usually very
 unpopular on open-source lists due to all the people using
 non-html capable mailreaders.

  That is not the point and most of the people use capable html readers. Even 
most of the text based programs are html capable. I can found several of the 
reasons here:

  http://www.birdhouse.org/etc/evilmail.html

 Writing justified ascii can be done assuming all readers use a fixed-width
 font, but some doesn't. :-)

  What most email programs produce btw is a poor excuse of html, not even html 
is.

 Helge Hafting

  I find it ironic defending a subject because it is pseudo-WYSIWYG in a lyx 
list. ;-)
-- 
José Abílio

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Angus Leeming]

Jose' Matos wrote:

 On Monday 21 November 2005 17:26, Helge Hafting wrote:
 Sure, people insist on ascii/unicode email with no formatting.
 I can write justified email in html, but html is usually very
 unpopular on open-source lists due to all the people using
 non-html capable mailreaders.
 
   That is not the point and most of the people use capable html readers.
   Even most of the text based programs are html capable. I can found
   several of the reasons here:
 
   http://www.birdhouse.org/etc/evilmail.html

I think that the *real* point is that this is a religious issue. If you
write to an email list asking for help yet use html then you are likely to
be ignored by those who have taken the religious position that html email
is evil. Since this religion is followed by a very large percentage of
Open Source developers, you're removing many of those best able to answer
your question from your pool of answerers. It sort of defeats your purpose
for writing in the first place --- to ask for help.

The most coherent reason I've found to justify this religion is that html
email totally screws up many mail archiving softwares. Maybe that's a
reason to improve these softwares, but that doesn't really help us now.
Not posting html is today's solution.

Having said that, who said that religions need to be coherent?

-- 
Angus

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Jose' Matos]

On Tuesday 22 November 2005 00:10, Angus Leeming wrote:

 I think that the *real* point is that this is a religious issue. If you
 write to an email list asking for help yet use html then you are likely to
 be ignored by those who have taken the religious position that html email
 is evil. Since this religion is followed by a very large percentage of
 Open Source developers, you're removing many of those best able to answer
 your question from your pool of answerers. It sort of defeats your purpose
 for writing in the first place --- to ask for help.

  But so it does requiring the messages to be in (some sort of) english. Every 
group has its set of rules, even if sometimes not written. This seems to be 
one more example of that kind. :-)

 The most coherent reason I've found to justify this religion is that html
 email totally screws up many mail archiving softwares. Maybe that's a
 reason to improve these softwares, but that doesn't really help us now.
 Not posting html is today's solution.

1)  C'mon you are not telling me that phishing is a false problems, are you?

  So if we want to play safe we should be restricted to internal content.

2)  I have a distinct taste for high resolution screens, my laptop is 
1680*1050. (I know about those of 1920*1200).
  Most of the html messages I have seen look so different between them as they 
assume different sizes, different fonts...

  One solution to part of this is to control the css stylesheet used to render 
the page. I can do it, but then I defeat the reasons for html usage.

 Having said that, who said that religions need to be coherent?

  Not only that but they should not. It is always a question of referential.
-- 
José Abílio

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Stephen Harris]

- Original Message - 
From: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: align left and hyphenation



The most coherent reason I've found to justify this religion is that html
email totally screws up many mail archiving softwares. Maybe that's a
reason to improve these softwares, but that doesn't really help us now.
Not posting html is today's solution.

Having said that, who said that religions need to be coherent?

--
Angus




That brings up an interesting point. Due to the high volume of
email on the list I sometimes delete a message that I later want
to use. So I go to the Lyx Mailing list archive, do a search,
find the message, and then copy and paste it into my email
program which is set to use plain text. The result removes
spacing between words, lines and paragraphs, not as I view
it before sending, but when I later receive the copy I sent
from the mail list. Why is that? The LyXWiki also displays
creativity if you try to copy and paste it. It seems like there
are links built in that transport you to LyX on the internet
when you try to edit a line; the lined turned to purple and it
reminded me of the Damascus event, speaking of religion.

Plain Saul to Html Paul,
Stephen

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Marcelo Acuÿfffff1a]

  >>   I think that Lyx is very good for mathematics 
>>   but for history, sociology, etc. advantage is
>>   reduced for difficult to learn and poor tool
>>   for index entry.

> Lyx has multi-level index entries.  The question
> becomes - what is the problem?  We who don't do
> history/sociology can't really know what you're
> missing.

  A book of history, sociology, journalist research,
etc., have several pages with several hundred of
names, issues, sub-issues in alphabetical order.
  This index is a greatest, bored and very difficult
work without a smart tool for it.

> A good detailed description of the problem is a
> good base.


1) Difficult for index entry without assist.
 Examples:
 
  a) I have in my book: Otto von Bismark-Schonhausen
  I put the cursor at the end of this name, click on 
Insert > Index Entry and get a dialog box with the
word Schonhausen, then I must add the rest of name
without any misspelling each time that this name
appears.
 
  b) I have: Karl August von Hardenberg
 Again, I get in dialog box Hardenberg and I must
add the rest of the name without any error each time.

  Note that in a book, after first mention, author
only write last name but when make index entry he need
remember the whole name. When the author make index
entry and arrive at the middle of book encounter
hundred of last names: Bismark? ... ehh ... with or
without von? ... Oto or Otto? ... Schonhauser?
... Schonhaussen? ... Schomberg?
Of course, Germans have not problem with names
like this, but Germans have problems with French,
Spanish, Russian, etc.

  A book may contain several hundred of names in
foreign languages, each name may appears several
tens of times, and dialog box not have any assist
for this work.

  I suggest a dialog box that show an alphabetical
list of previous entries and that to allow choose
and pick up a complete index entry of this list,
or add a new entry.


2) Absence of sub-issues.
Example:
I need get it.
Bonaparte, Napoleon, 7,8, 56, 95.
   Bonaparte in Egypt, 111-119, 142.
   Bonaparte in Italy, 39, 160, 184.


3) Absence of item without page number.
Examples:
I need get it.
 Stalin (see Dzhugachvili, Iosif Visarionovich)
 von Radetz, count Radetzky (see Radetzky, Joseph) 



> If you can point out how the ideal solution ought to be,
> then that helps too of course.

For case 1 this was made. For case 3 may be add to the dialog box a check box 
with option for no page number. For case 2, dialog box must allow choose an 
index entry and mark a check box for sub-issue.

> The very best way to ask for new features is to provide > a patch 
> implementing them. :-)  Unfortunately, only
> programmers can do that.

I am not a C programmer. Sorry.

> Note that nothing new will be added to lyx right now,
  > as all work goes into bugfixing before the release of
  > the upcoming lyx 1.4.0. But feel free to plan future
> enhancements.

OK. I understand this.
  I was seduced for Lyx promise that Lyx will take it
the load of work and that the author will forget the
most of this routine work. I think that this idea is
brilliant and that implementing more assist to the
author the number of users of Lyx will be greater.
  Assist to index entry and other features (like a
front-end with radio buttons and check box for
several options that currently we get editing preamble
and adding several lines of code;
spell check “in flight”;
grammar check (in Spanish, please);
plug-in that show a list of synonymous of a word
(again, multi-language);
will extend Lyx from mathematical authors to
the rest of world.

> Helge Hafting

Ehh! I noted that, in this letter, right border
is very ragged ;-)

Regards.

Marcelo Acuña




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Re: align left and hyphenation

[Helge Hafting]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 11:55:37AM -0300, Marcelo Acuÿf1a wrote:
>   >>   I think that Lyx is very good for mathematics 
> >>   but for history, sociology, etc. advantage is
> >>   reduced for difficult to learn and poor tool
> >>   for index entry.
> 
> > Lyx has multi-level index entries.  The question
> > becomes - what is the problem?  We who don't do
> > history/sociology can't really know what you're
> > missing.
> 
>   A book of history, sociology, journalist research,
> etc., have several pages with several hundred of
> names, issues, sub-issues in alphabetical order.
>   This index is a greatest, bored and very difficult
> work without a smart tool for it.
> 
> > A good detailed description of the problem is a
> > good base.
> 
> 
> 1) Difficult for index entry without assist.
>  Examples:
>  
>   a) I have in my book: Otto von Bismark-Schonhausen
>   I put the cursor at the end of this name, click on 
> Insert > Index Entry and get a dialog box with the
> word Schonhausen, then I must add the rest of name
> without any misspelling each time that this name
> appears.
>  
>   b) I have: Karl August von Hardenberg
>  Again, I get in dialog box Hardenberg and I must
> add the rest of the name without any error each time.
> 
>   Note that in a book, after first mention, author
> only write last name but when make index entry he need
> remember the whole name. When the author make index
> entry and arrive at the middle of book encounter
> hundred of last names: Bismark? ... ehh ... with or
> without von? ... Oto or Otto? ... Schonhauser?
> ... Schonhaussen? ... Schomberg?
> Of course, Germans have not problem with names
> like this, but Germans have problems with French,
> Spanish, Russian, etc.
> 
I see the problem.  Of course lyx can't really know what part of the
text is a name and what is just a word.  So it guesses that
you want to index a single word.  Even if we had a "name mode"
then lyx would be hard pressed to know exactly how many of the
previous words belongs to a name.

You can make this work easier bu using cut & paste smartly though.
If I want to index "Otto von Bismark-Schonhausen" then I know that
lyx is only going to get "Schonhausen" for me. So I mark
"Otto von Bismark-" (using mouse or keyboard), then positions the
cursor and insert an index entry.  Click on the entry, position
the cursor in front of "Schonhausen".  Then paste the rest, for
linux users that usually done by pressing the middle mouse button.

So you have to fill in the index entry, but no need to worry about how
to write the name. Just paste it.

Another trick, if you're indexing one author at a time:
* Create a single index entry, as above
* Now mark the entire index entry (not the text inside, but
  the entry itself)
* Press ctrl+c (or the menu choice edit->copy)
* That index entry is now in the paste buffer.  Move through the
  text, whenever you need the index entry, just position the cursor
  and press ctrl+v (or the edit->paste menu choice)

This is much easier and faster than typing the name over and over.
Probably not perfect for your use, but it can  make work easier
while waiting for the next round of development in which
new features _may_ be developed.

>   A book may contain several hundred of names in
> foreign languages, each name may appears several
> tens of times, and dialog box not have any assist
> for this work.
> 
>   I suggest a dialog box that show an alphabetical
> list of previous entries and that to allow choose
> and pick up a complete index entry of this list,
> or add a new entry.
> 
Seems like a good idea - it�'d certainly make it easier to
move through a text indexing hundreds of different people. 

> 
> 2) Absence of sub-issues.
> Example:
> I need get it.
> Bonaparte, Napoleon, 7,8, 56, 95.
>Bonaparte in Egypt, 111-119, 142.
>Bonaparte in Italy, 39, 160, 184.
> 
Lyx already has this:
Index 
"Bonaparte!in Egypt" 
"Bonaparte!in Italy"

To get the second level.  You can have three levels too if you like,
such as "Bonaparte!in Egypt!admiring pyramids"

> 
> 3) Absence of item without page number.
> Examples:
> I need get it.
>  Stalin (see Dzhugachvili, Iosif Visarionovich)
>  von Radetz, count Radetzky (see Radetzky, Joseph) 
> 

Lyx has it, index this:
"Stalin|see Dzhugachvili, Iosif Visarionovich"
Well, you may have to do some tricks to get parantheses just like that.

Note that symbols like |�!{}" and a few others have special meaning
inside the index entry box.  You can do all index entry tricks that
latex supports, which is a lot.  There are reference manuals
for this if you're interested.
 
> 
> > If you can point out how the ideal solution ought to be,
> > then that helps too of course.
> 
> For case 1 this was made. For case 3 may be add to the dialog box a check box 
> with option for no page number. For case 2, dialog box must allow choose an 
> index entry and mark a check box for sub-issue.
> 
> > 

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Jose' Matos]

On Monday 21 November 2005 17:26, Helge Hafting wrote:
> Sure, people insist on ascii/unicode email with no formatting.
> I can write justified email in html, but html is usually very
> unpopular on open-source lists due to all the people using
> non-html capable mailreaders.

  That is not the point and most of the people use capable html readers. Even 
most of the text based programs are html capable. I can found several of the 
reasons here:

  http://www.birdhouse.org/etc/evilmail.html

> Writing justified ascii can be done assuming all readers use a fixed-width
> font, but some doesn't. :-)

  What most email programs produce btw is a poor excuse of html, not even html 
is.

> Helge Hafting

  I find it ironic defending a subject because it is pseudo-WYSIWYG in a lyx 
list. ;-)
-- 
José Abílio

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Angus Leeming]

Jose' Matos wrote:

> On Monday 21 November 2005 17:26, Helge Hafting wrote:
>> Sure, people insist on ascii/unicode email with no formatting.
>> I can write justified email in html, but html is usually very
>> unpopular on open-source lists due to all the people using
>> non-html capable mailreaders.
> 
>   That is not the point and most of the people use capable html readers.
>   Even most of the text based programs are html capable. I can found
>   several of the reasons here:
> 
>   http://www.birdhouse.org/etc/evilmail.html

I think that the *real* point is that this is a religious issue. If you
write to an email list asking for help yet use html then you are likely to
be ignored by those who have taken the religious position that html email
is evil. Since this religion is followed by a very large percentage of
Open Source developers, you're removing many of those best able to answer
your question from your pool of answerers. It sort of defeats your purpose
for writing in the first place --- to ask for help.

The most coherent reason I've found to justify this religion is that html
email totally screws up many mail archiving softwares. Maybe that's a
reason to improve these softwares, but that doesn't really help us now.
Not posting html is today's solution.

Having said that, who said that religions need to be coherent?

-- 
Angus

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Jose' Matos]

On Tuesday 22 November 2005 00:10, Angus Leeming wrote:
>
> I think that the *real* point is that this is a religious issue. If you
> write to an email list asking for help yet use html then you are likely to
> be ignored by those who have taken the religious position that html email
> is evil. Since this religion is followed by a very large percentage of
> Open Source developers, you're removing many of those best able to answer
> your question from your pool of answerers. It sort of defeats your purpose
> for writing in the first place --- to ask for help.

  But so it does requiring the messages to be in (some sort of) english. Every 
group has its set of rules, even if sometimes not written. This seems to be 
one more example of that kind. :-)

> The most coherent reason I've found to justify this religion is that html
> email totally screws up many mail archiving softwares. Maybe that's a
> reason to improve these softwares, but that doesn't really help us now.
> Not posting html is today's solution.

1)  C'mon you are not telling me that phishing is a false problems, are you?

  So if we want to play safe we should be restricted to internal content.

2)  I have a distinct taste for high resolution screens, my laptop is 
1680*1050. (I know about those of 1920*1200).
  Most of the html messages I have seen look so different between them as they 
assume different sizes, different fonts...

  One solution to part of this is to control the css stylesheet used to render 
the page. I can do it, but then I defeat the reasons for html usage.

> Having said that, who said that religions need to be coherent?

  Not only that but they should not. It is always a question of referential.
-- 
José Abílio

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Stephen Harris]

- Original Message - 
From: "Angus Leeming" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: align left and hyphenation



The most coherent reason I've found to justify this religion is that html
email totally screws up many mail archiving softwares. Maybe that's a
reason to improve these softwares, but that doesn't really help us now.
Not posting html is today's solution.

Having said that, who said that religions need to be coherent?

--
Angus




That brings up an interesting point. Due to the high volume of
email on the list I sometimes delete a message that I later want
to use. So I go to the Lyx Mailing list archive, do a search,
find the message, and then copy and paste it into my email
program which is set to use plain text. The result removes
spacing between words, lines and paragraphs, not as I view
it before sending, but when I later receive the copy I sent
from the mail list. Why is that? The LyXWiki also displays
creativity if you try to copy and paste it. It seems like there
are links built in that transport you to LyX on the internet
when you try to edit a line; the lined turned to purple and it
reminded me of the Damascus event, speaking of religion.

Plain Saul to Html Paul,
Stephen

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Helge Hafting]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 05:12:10PM -0300, Marcelo Acuÿf1a wrote:
 
   I don´t know PageMaker or Scribus.
   I think that Lyx is very good for mathematics 
   but for history, sociology, etc. advantage is
   reduced for dificult to learn and poor tool for
   index entry.

Lyx has multi-level index entries.  The question becomes - what is the problem?
We who don't do history/sociology can't really know what you're missing.

   Analitic index is a greatest, bored and very
   dificult work in social science without a
   smart tool for it.
   How I can suggest this feature to the
   Lyx develop team?

A good detailed description of the problem is a good base.
If you can point out how the ideal solution ought to be, then
that helps too of course.  If you can point out latex packages
doing what you want then it usually gets much easier to code.

The very best way to ask for new features is to provide a patch
implementing them. :-)  Unfortunately, only programmers can do that.

Note that nothing new will be added to lyx right now, as all work
goes into bugfixing before the re�lease of the upcomng lyx 1.4.0.
But feel free to plan future enhancements.

Helge Hafting

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Helge Hafting]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 05:12:10PM -0300, Marcelo Acuÿf1a wrote:
 
   I don´t know PageMaker or Scribus.
   I think that Lyx is very good for mathematics 
   but for history, sociology, etc. advantage is
   reduced for dificult to learn and poor tool for
   index entry.

Lyx has multi-level index entries.  The question becomes - what is the problem?
We who don't do history/sociology can't really know what you're missing.

   Analitic index is a greatest, bored and very
   dificult work in social science without a
   smart tool for it.
   How I can suggest this feature to the
   Lyx develop team?

A good detailed description of the problem is a good base.
If you can point out how the ideal solution ought to be, then
that helps too of course.  If you can point out latex packages
doing what you want then it usually gets much easier to code.

The very best way to ask for new features is to provide a patch
implementing them. :-)  Unfortunately, only programmers can do that.

Note that nothing new will be added to lyx right now, as all work
goes into bugfixing before the re�lease of the upcomng lyx 1.4.0.
But feel free to plan future enhancements.

Helge Hafting

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Helge Hafting]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 05:12:10PM -0300, Marcelo Acuÿf1a wrote:
> 
>   I don´t know PageMaker or Scribus.
>   I think that Lyx is very good for mathematics 
>   but for history, sociology, etc. advantage is
>   reduced for dificult to learn and poor tool for
>   index entry.

Lyx has multi-level index entries.  The question becomes - what is the problem?
We who don't do history/sociology can't really know what you're missing.

>   Analitic index is a greatest, bored and very
>   dificult work in social science without a
>   smart tool for it.
>   How I can suggest this feature to the
>   Lyx develop team?
>
A good detailed description of the problem is a good base.
If you can point out how the ideal solution ought to be, then
that helps too of course.  If you can point out latex packages
doing what you want then it usually gets much easier to code.

The very best way to ask for new features is to provide a patch
implementing them. :-)  Unfortunately, only programmers can do that.

Note that nothing new will be added to lyx right now, as all work
goes into bugfixing before the re�lease of the upcomng lyx 1.4.0.
But feel free to plan future enhancements.

Helge Hafting

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Eric S Fraga]

On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 12:51:18PM -0300, Marcelo Acuÿf1a wrote:
Usually, it is quite ugly and looks unprofessional.

   Left align with ugly right border ( irregular )
   make more easy to the eye find next line.

Studies were done in the 80's (sorry, no references at hand but I do
remember a PhD thesis on this topic at U of Waterloo, Canada) indicating
that although justified text looked better, text that was left-aligned
(for european languages, say) was definitely easier to read.

-- 
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***.*..**.*.*...***.***.*...*...***.*...

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Helge Hafting]

Marcelo Acuÿf1a wrote:


I wonder though, why you would even want to print a book left
aligned. Some special reason?
   

  
 Yes.
  


Seems you are lucky then, the answer is elsewhere in this thread.


 Thanks for write me!
 Excuse me for my English. I tried explain me.
 Left align with ugly right border ( irregular )
 make more easy to the eye find next line.
 


Indeed, but at a cost.

 My publisher want left align with hyphenation 
 and indent for paragraph separation.

 Hyphenation save a lot of pages.
 Several magazines turn to this mode.
 


I have seen magazines do that, but then they usually have narrow
columns where good justification is impossible. Left align is
prettier than badly done justification.


 I can see that Lyx, when I selected left align,
 toogle from indent to skip.
 Now, I am in problem with my publisher.
 He said, Drop Lyx, take PageMaker!.
 


Bad advice. ;-)  If you try - you will find that pagemaker can easily
do some things that is hard in lyx.  But also the converse - lyx, and
sometimes a few latex commands, can do things you'd be hard pressed
to do elsewhere.

I wrote a book in lyx, while my colleagues wrote books in framemaker.
We all got the work done, but I don't envy them some of the problems
they had.  I don't remember all of it, but I shook my head sometimes . . .

Helge Hafting

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Marcelo Acuÿfffff1a]

   Now, I am in problem with my publisher.
 He said, Drop Lyx, take PageMaker!.
 

 Bad advice. ;-) If you try - you will find that pagemaker can easily
 do some things that is hard in lyx. But also the converse - lyx, and
 sometimes a few latex commands, can do things you'd be hard
   pressed to do elsewhere.

 I wrote a book in lyx, while my colleagues wrote books in
   framemaker.
 We all got the work done, but I don't envy them some of the
   problems they had. I don't remember all of it, but I shook
   my head sometimes . . .

 Helge Hafting

  I don´t know PageMaker or Scribus.
  I think that Lyx is very good for mathematics 
  but for history, sociology, etc. advantage is
  reduced for dificult to learn and poor tool for
  index entry.
  Analitic index is a greatest, bored and very
  dificult work in social science without a
  smart tool for it.
  How I can suggest this feature to the
  Lyx develop team?
   
  Regards
  Marcelo
   
   
  
 

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Re: align left and hyphenation - Solved!

[Marcelo Acuÿfffff1a]

   How I can get align left and hyphention?

 \usepackage{ragged2e}

 At the begin of the document
 \RaggedRight
 
 HTH,
 Jürgen

  Thanks! This work Ok.
  Marcelo
   





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Re: align left and hyphenation

[Eric S Fraga]

On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 12:51:18PM -0300, Marcelo Acuÿf1a wrote:
Usually, it is quite ugly and looks unprofessional.

   Left align with ugly right border ( irregular )
   make more easy to the eye find next line.

Studies were done in the 80's (sorry, no references at hand but I do
remember a PhD thesis on this topic at U of Waterloo, Canada) indicating
that although justified text looked better, text that was left-aligned
(for european languages, say) was definitely easier to read.

-- 
 Eric S. Fraga, Department of Chemical Engineering, UCL, London
***.*..**.*.*...***.***.*...*...***.*...

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Helge Hafting]

Marcelo Acuÿf1a wrote:


I wonder though, why you would even want to print a book left
aligned. Some special reason?
   

  
 Yes.
  


Seems you are lucky then, the answer is elsewhere in this thread.


 Thanks for write me!
 Excuse me for my English. I tried explain me.
 Left align with ugly right border ( irregular )
 make more easy to the eye find next line.
 


Indeed, but at a cost.

 My publisher want left align with hyphenation 
 and indent for paragraph separation.

 Hyphenation save a lot of pages.
 Several magazines turn to this mode.
 


I have seen magazines do that, but then they usually have narrow
columns where good justification is impossible. Left align is
prettier than badly done justification.


 I can see that Lyx, when I selected left align,
 toogle from indent to skip.
 Now, I am in problem with my publisher.
 He said, Drop Lyx, take PageMaker!.
 


Bad advice. ;-)  If you try - you will find that pagemaker can easily
do some things that is hard in lyx.  But also the converse - lyx, and
sometimes a few latex commands, can do things you'd be hard pressed
to do elsewhere.

I wrote a book in lyx, while my colleagues wrote books in framemaker.
We all got the work done, but I don't envy them some of the problems
they had.  I don't remember all of it, but I shook my head sometimes . . .

Helge Hafting

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Marcelo Acuÿfffff1a]

   Now, I am in problem with my publisher.
 He said, Drop Lyx, take PageMaker!.
 

 Bad advice. ;-) If you try - you will find that pagemaker can easily
 do some things that is hard in lyx. But also the converse - lyx, and
 sometimes a few latex commands, can do things you'd be hard
   pressed to do elsewhere.

 I wrote a book in lyx, while my colleagues wrote books in
   framemaker.
 We all got the work done, but I don't envy them some of the
   problems they had. I don't remember all of it, but I shook
   my head sometimes . . .

 Helge Hafting

  I don´t know PageMaker or Scribus.
  I think that Lyx is very good for mathematics 
  but for history, sociology, etc. advantage is
  reduced for dificult to learn and poor tool for
  index entry.
  Analitic index is a greatest, bored and very
  dificult work in social science without a
  smart tool for it.
  How I can suggest this feature to the
  Lyx develop team?
   
  Regards
  Marcelo
   
   
  
 

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Re: align left and hyphenation - Solved!

[Marcelo Acuÿfffff1a]

   How I can get align left and hyphention?

 \usepackage{ragged2e}

 At the begin of the document
 \RaggedRight
 
 HTH,
 Jürgen

  Thanks! This work Ok.
  Marcelo
   





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Re: align left and hyphenation

[Eric S Fraga]

On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 12:51:18PM -0300, Marcelo Acuÿf1a wrote:
>   > Usually, it is quite ugly and looks unprofessional.

>   Left align with "ugly" right border ( irregular )
>   make more easy to the eye find next line.

Studies were done in the 80's (sorry, no references at hand but I do
remember a PhD thesis on this topic at U of Waterloo, Canada) indicating
that although justified text "looked better", text that was left-aligned
(for european languages, say) was definitely easier to read.

-- 
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Re: align left and hyphenation

[Helge Hafting]

Marcelo Acuÿf1a wrote:


I wonder though, why you would even want to print a book left
aligned. Some special reason?
   

  
 Yes.
  


Seems you are lucky then, the answer is elsewhere in this thread.


 Thanks for write me!
 Excuse me for my English. I tried explain me.
 Left align with "ugly" right border ( irregular )
 make more easy to the eye find next line.
 


Indeed, but at a cost.

 My publisher want left align with hyphenation 
 and indent for paragraph separation.

 Hyphenation save a lot of pages.
 Several magazines turn to this mode.
 


I have seen magazines do that, but then they usually have narrow
columns where good justification is impossible. Left align is
prettier than badly done justification.


 I can see that Lyx, when I selected left align,
 toogle from indent to skip.
 Now, I am in problem with my publisher.
 He said, "Drop Lyx, take PageMaker!".
 


Bad advice. ;-)  If you try - you will find that pagemaker can easily
do some things that is hard in lyx.  But also the converse - lyx, and
sometimes a few latex commands, can do things you'd be hard pressed
to do elsewhere.

I wrote a book in lyx, while my colleagues wrote books in framemaker.
We all got the work done, but I don't envy them some of the problems
they had.  I don't remember all of it, but I shook my head sometimes . . .

Helge Hafting

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Marcelo Acuÿfffff1a]

  >> Now, I am in problem with my publisher.
>> He said, "Drop Lyx, take PageMaker!".
>> 
>>
> Bad advice. ;-) If you try - you will find that pagemaker can easily
> do some things that is hard in lyx. But also the converse - lyx, and
> sometimes a few latex commands, can do things you'd be hard
  > pressed to do elsewhere.
>
> I wrote a book in lyx, while my colleagues wrote books in
  > framemaker.
> We all got the work done, but I don't envy them some of the
  > problems they had. I don't remember all of it, but I shook
  > my head sometimes . . .
>
> Helge Hafting

  I don´t know PageMaker or Scribus.
  I think that Lyx is very good for mathematics 
  but for history, sociology, etc. advantage is
  reduced for dificult to learn and poor tool for
  index entry.
  Analitic index is a greatest, bored and very
  dificult work in social science without a
  smart tool for it.
  How I can suggest this feature to the
  Lyx develop team?
   
  Regards
  Marcelo
   
   
  
 

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Re: align left and hyphenation - Solved!

[Marcelo Acuÿfffff1a]

  >> How I can get align left and hyphention?

> \usepackage{ragged2e}
>
> At the begin of the document
> \RaggedRight
> 
> HTH,
> Jürgen

  Thanks! This work Ok.
  Marcelo
   





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Re: align left and hyphenation

[Marcelo Acuÿfffff1a]

 Hello,
 I want use align left in my book but when
 changed from align justified I lost 
 hyphenation.
 This spent a lot of pages.
 How I can get align left and hyphention?
 
 I don't know if this is even possible. It could be, but
 as far as I know, hyphenation is turned on _because_ you
 use justification. Good justification is impossible
 without hyphenation, or the interword spacing would be
 way too big sometimes. This problem doesn't exist with left 
 align - then the line simply ends when there isn't
 enough room for the next word. Some will also say that the point of
 using left align is to avoid the hyphens.

 I wonder though, why you would even want to print a book left
 aligned. Some special reason?
   
  Yes.
   
   Usually, it is quite ugly and looks unprofessional.
   Like it was made with an amateur tool like word 
   
  ;-)
   
   - or by someone who don't know better. But of course there
 may be valid and good reasons for doing so. Still, look at
 some random books from ordinary publishers and I don't think you 
 find any set left aligned.
  
 Helge Hafting

  Thanks for write me!
  Excuse me for my English. I tried explain me.
  Left align with ugly right border ( irregular )
  make more easy to the eye find next line.
  My publisher want left align with hyphenation 
  and indent for paragraph separation.
  Hyphenation save a lot of pages.
  Several magazines turn to this mode.
  I can see that Lyx, when I selected left align,
  toogle from indent to skip.
  Now, I am in problem with my publisher.
  He said, Drop Lyx, take PageMaker!.
   
  I have option in Scribus (DTP for Linux) 
  but, for now, I don´t know how work this program.
   
  I want know if with Latex I can get:
  left align + hyphenation + indent separation paragraph
   
  Thanks in advance.
   
  Marcelo Acuña
   
   
   



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Re: align left and hyphenation

[Juergen Spitzmueller]

Marcelo Acuÿf1a wrote:
 How I can get align left and hyphention?

\usepackage{ragged2e}

At the begin of the document
\RaggedRight

HTH,
Jürgen

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Marcelo Acuÿfffff1a]

 Hello,
 I want use align left in my book but when
 changed from align justified I lost 
 hyphenation.
 This spent a lot of pages.
 How I can get align left and hyphention?
 
 I don't know if this is even possible. It could be, but
 as far as I know, hyphenation is turned on _because_ you
 use justification. Good justification is impossible
 without hyphenation, or the interword spacing would be
 way too big sometimes. This problem doesn't exist with left 
 align - then the line simply ends when there isn't
 enough room for the next word. Some will also say that the point of
 using left align is to avoid the hyphens.

 I wonder though, why you would even want to print a book left
 aligned. Some special reason?
   
  Yes.
   
   Usually, it is quite ugly and looks unprofessional.
   Like it was made with an amateur tool like word 
   
  ;-)
   
   - or by someone who don't know better. But of course there
 may be valid and good reasons for doing so. Still, look at
 some random books from ordinary publishers and I don't think you 
 find any set left aligned.
  
 Helge Hafting

  Thanks for write me!
  Excuse me for my English. I tried explain me.
  Left align with ugly right border ( irregular )
  make more easy to the eye find next line.
  My publisher want left align with hyphenation 
  and indent for paragraph separation.
  Hyphenation save a lot of pages.
  Several magazines turn to this mode.
  I can see that Lyx, when I selected left align,
  toogle from indent to skip.
  Now, I am in problem with my publisher.
  He said, Drop Lyx, take PageMaker!.
   
  I have option in Scribus (DTP for Linux) 
  but, for now, I don´t know how work this program.
   
  I want know if with Latex I can get:
  left align + hyphenation + indent separation paragraph
   
  Thanks in advance.
   
  Marcelo Acuña
   
   
   



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Re: align left and hyphenation

[Juergen Spitzmueller]

Marcelo Acuÿf1a wrote:
 How I can get align left and hyphention?

\usepackage{ragged2e}

At the begin of the document
\RaggedRight

HTH,
Jürgen

Re: align left and hyphenation

[Marcelo Acuÿfffff1a]

>> Hello,
>> I want use align left in my book but when
>> changed from align justified I lost 
>> hyphenation.
>> This spent a lot of pages.
>> How I can get align left and hyphention?
>> 
> I don't know if this is even possible. It could be, but
> as far as I know, hyphenation is turned on _because_ you
> use justification. Good justification is impossible
> without hyphenation, or the interword spacing would be
> way too big sometimes. This problem doesn't exist with left 
> align - then the line simply ends when there isn't
> enough room for the next word. Some will also say that the point of
> using left align is to avoid the hyphens.

> I wonder though, why you would even want to print a book left
> aligned. Some special reason?
   
  Yes.
   
  > Usually, it is quite ugly and looks unprofessional.
  > Like it was made with an amateur tool like word 
   
  ;-)
   
  > - or by someone who don't know better. But of course there
> may be valid and good reasons for doing so. Still, look at
> some random books from ordinary publishers and I don't think you 
> find any set left aligned.
  
> Helge Hafting

  Thanks for write me!
  Excuse me for my English. I tried explain me.
  Left align with "ugly" right border ( irregular )
  make more easy to the eye find next line.
  My publisher want left align with hyphenation 
  and indent for paragraph separation.
  Hyphenation save a lot of pages.
  Several magazines turn to this mode.
  I can see that Lyx, when I selected left align,
  toogle from indent to skip.
  Now, I am in problem with my publisher.
  He said, "Drop Lyx, take PageMaker!".
   
  I have option in Scribus (DTP for Linux) 
  but, for now, I don´t know how work this program.
   
  I want know if with Latex I can get:
  left align + hyphenation + indent separation paragraph
   
  Thanks in advance.
   
  Marcelo Acuña
   
   
   



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Re: align left and hyphenation

[Juergen Spitzmueller]

Marcelo Acuÿf1a wrote:
> How I can get align left and hyphention?

\usepackage{ragged2e}

At the begin of the document
\RaggedRight

HTH,
Jürgen

align left and hyphenation

[Marcelo Acuÿfffff1a]

Hello,
  I want use align left in my book but when
  changed from align justified I lost 
  hyphenation.
  This spent a lot of pages.
  How I can get align left and hyphention?
   
  Thanks in advance.
   
  Marcelo Acuña
   


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Re: align left and hyphenation

[Helge Hafting]

On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 06:15:48PM -0300, Marcelo Acuÿf1a wrote:
 Hello,
   I want use align left in my book but when
   changed from align justified I lost 
   hyphenation.
   This spent a lot of pages.
   How I can get align left and hyphention?

I don'�t know if this is even possible.  It could be, but
as far as I know, hyphenation is turned on _because_ you
use justification.  Good justification is impossible
without hyphenation, or the interword spacing would be
way too big sometimes. This problem doesn't exist with left 
align - then the line simply ends when there isn't
enough room for the next word.  Some will also say that the point of
using left align is to avoid the hyphens.

I wonder though, why you would even want to print a book left
aligned.  Some special reason?  Usually, it is quite ugly
and looks unprofessional.  Like it was made with an amateur tool
like word - or by someone who don't know better.  But of course there
may be valid and good reasons for doing so.  Still, look at
some random books from ordinary publishers and I don't think you 
find any set left aligned.

Helge Hafting

align left and hyphenation

[Marcelo Acuÿfffff1a]

Hello,
  I want use align left in my book but when
  changed from align justified I lost 
  hyphenation.
  This spent a lot of pages.
  How I can get align left and hyphention?
   
  Thanks in advance.
   
  Marcelo Acuña
   


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Re: align left and hyphenation

[Helge Hafting]

On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 06:15:48PM -0300, Marcelo Acuÿf1a wrote:
 Hello,
   I want use align left in my book but when
   changed from align justified I lost 
   hyphenation.
   This spent a lot of pages.
   How I can get align left and hyphention?

I don'�t know if this is even possible.  It could be, but
as far as I know, hyphenation is turned on _because_ you
use justification.  Good justification is impossible
without hyphenation, or the interword spacing would be
way too big sometimes. This problem doesn't exist with left 
align - then the line simply ends when there isn't
enough room for the next word.  Some will also say that the point of
using left align is to avoid the hyphens.

I wonder though, why you would even want to print a book left
aligned.  Some special reason?  Usually, it is quite ugly
and looks unprofessional.  Like it was made with an amateur tool
like word - or by someone who don't know better.  But of course there
may be valid and good reasons for doing so.  Still, look at
some random books from ordinary publishers and I don't think you 
find any set left aligned.

Helge Hafting

align left and hyphenation

[Marcelo Acuÿfffff1a]

Hello,
  I want use align left in my book but when
  changed from align justified I lost 
  hyphenation.
  This spent a lot of pages.
  How I can get align left and hyphention?
   
  Thanks in advance.
   
  Marcelo Acuña
   


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Re: align left and hyphenation

[Helge Hafting]

On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 06:15:48PM -0300, Marcelo Acuÿf1a wrote:
> Hello,
>   I want use align left in my book but when
>   changed from align justified I lost 
>   hyphenation.
>   This spent a lot of pages.
>   How I can get align left and hyphention?
>
I don'�t know if this is even possible.  It could be, but
as far as I know, hyphenation is turned on _because_ you
use justification.  Good justification is impossible
without hyphenation, or the interword spacing would be
way too big sometimes. This problem doesn't exist with left 
align - then the line simply ends when there isn't
enough room for the next word.  Some will also say that the point of
using left align is to avoid the hyphens.

I wonder though, why you would even want to print a book left
aligned.  Some special reason?  Usually, it is quite ugly
and looks unprofessional.  Like it was made with an amateur tool
like word - or by someone who don't know better.  But of course there
may be valid and good reasons for doing so.  Still, look at
some random books from ordinary publishers and I don't think you 
find any set left aligned.

Helge Hafting