Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
Hello Matthew, Matthew wrote: I've been trying to use the candidate release for 1.6. While there are some nice new features, like the ability to cut and paste graphics there are some changes and perhaps bugs which negatively impact lyx. My first pet peeve is that the export document command doesn't appear to generate any output, unless it's doing so in an unknown directory different from the directory of the .lyx source. In particular I'm trying to convert a lyx 1.6 file back into a 1.5.3 file so that I can run a more 'stable' version. Are you using WinXP? If yes, this is a known bug that was detailled in Uwe's announcement: !Important note!: Due to a bug in LyX you are first be able to export documents to e.g. PDF after opening the preferences dialog and clicking there on the save button. [...] My next peeve that I've found is that tab no longer navigates through the cells in an eqnarray. I haven't tried it with tables yet, but if it has the same behavior there, that would also be bad. This is being worked on. Hopefully fixed in the next rc. After these problems I will stop testing 1.6 because I need to actually get some work done. Now if I could just convert my document back.. Try the Prefs dialog work around. In general 1.6rc is pretty stable but that is not a dot zero yet so, unless you know what you are doing, I suggest to keep using 1.5.x. Abdel.
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
On 8.09.08, Matthew wrote:
... the export document command doesn't appear to generate any output,
... In particular I'm trying to convert a lyx 1.6 file back into a
1.5.3 file so that I can run a more 'stable' version.
Besides the bug mentionend in another reply: The default settings will
use the extension .lyx15 for the exported file and the file-open
dialogue in LyX-1.5 will not show it, as it expects a .lyx extension.
My next problem is the bold font toggling in math mode. ctrl-B generates a
default \mathsymbol{} command which is wrong wrong wrong!
No, not generally!
A bold math character should almost always be non-italicized. The one
exception may be Greek characters, but only because Latex has issues
with that anyway. The reason is that a bold letter represents a vector
or matrix, which should never be in italic font.
The `International Union of Pure and Applied Physics` (IUPAP) and other
international bodies recommend typsetting math according to International
Standards ISO 31-0:1992 to ISO 31-13:1992 (see also [NIST]_).
The traditional `LaTeX-style` deviates in some points from this rules:
* The ``\vec`` command produces an array accent, while ISO 31 recommends
an italic-bold typeface for vector symbols.
.. [NIST] Typefaces for Symbols in Scientific Manuscripts:
http://physics.nist.gov/Document/typefaces.pdf
-- http://pylit.berlios.de/examples/isomath.sty.html
Günter
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
G. Milde wrote: Besides the bug mentionend in another reply: The default settings will use the extension .lyx15 for the exported file and the file-open dialogue in LyX-1.5 will not show it, as it expects a .lyx extension. At least here on the Mac LyX-1.5.6 DOES show the .lyx15-files. /Konrad
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
On 9.09.08, Konrad Hofbauer wrote: G. Milde wrote: Besides the bug mentionend in another reply: The default settings will use the extension .lyx15 for the exported file and the file-open dialogue in LyX-1.5 will not show it, as it expects a .lyx extension. At least here on the Mac LyX-1.5.6 DOES show the .lyx15-files. Here at Debian Linux; LyX 1.5.6 the file-open dialogue does * NOT show *.lyx15 with the default filter setting LyX files (*.lyx), * show them (of course) with All files (*). But in the second case also all sort of irrelevant files are shown. I solved this (partially) with changing the settings under ToolsPreferencesFile HandlingFile formats Format: Lyx 1.5 Extension from lyx15 to 15.lyx. Günter
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
On 09.09.2008, at 11:25, G. Milde wrote: On 9.09.08, Konrad Hofbauer wrote: G. Milde wrote: Besides the bug mentionend in another reply: The default settings will use the extension .lyx15 for the exported file and the file-open dialogue in LyX-1.5 will not show it, as it expects a .lyx extension. At least here on the Mac LyX-1.5.6 DOES show the .lyx15-files. Here at Debian Linux; LyX 1.5.6 the file-open dialogue does * NOT show *.lyx15 with the default filter setting LyX files (*.lyx), IMHO it should be configurable via a preferences setting that a new LyX version uses by default the file format of the previous one, still named with the extension .lyx. (MS Word has such an option, which is quite useful.) Of course, using the old file format may imply that some new features are not available or do not become permanent in the saved file. Nevertheless, it would be of tremendous help to restrict newer LyX versions to the older format -- especially during transition times (e.g., while trying out release candidates or when not all co-authors have already updated to the newest version.) Daniel
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
James Sutherland wrote: My next peeve that I've found is that tab no longer navigates through the cells in an eqnarray. I haven't tried it with tables yet, but if it has the same behavior there, that would also be bad. I agree with this. The tab key has been taken over by the (VERY NICE) word completion system. I suppose that if enough people vote on this issue, we may succeed in convincing the developers to use a different approach to word completion (like emacs-style Esc-/). This is a known issue, and there has been a lot of work on it in the last few days. Exactly what will end up happening isn't clear yet. Richard
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
Daniel Lohmann wrote: On 09.09.2008, at 11:25, G. Milde wrote: On 9.09.08, Konrad Hofbauer wrote: G. Milde wrote: Besides the bug mentionend in another reply: The default settings will use the extension .lyx15 for the exported file and the file-open dialogue in LyX-1.5 will not show it, as it expects a .lyx extension. At least here on the Mac LyX-1.5.6 DOES show the .lyx15-files. Here at Debian Linux; LyX 1.5.6 the file-open dialogue does * NOT show *.lyx15 with the default filter setting LyX files (*.lyx), IMHO it should be configurable via a preferences setting that a new LyX version uses by default the file format of the previous one, still named with the extension .lyx. (MS Word has such an option, which is quite useful.) Of course, using the old file format may imply that some new features are not available or do not become permanent in the saved file. Nevertheless, it would be of tremendous help to restrict newer LyX versions to the older format -- especially during transition times (e.g., while trying out release candidates or when not all co-authors have already updated to the newest version.) Feel free to file an enhancement bug about this. Whether anyone would implement it, I don't know. Part of the difficulty is that writing old versions is done in a very different way from writing new versions. The core LyX sources only know about the current version. The conversion is done with a python program called lyx2lyx which can, by the way, be called from outside LyX. Richard rh
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
I do like the new features and would love to continue working with
1.60cr2 if there are some workarounds. If there is a way to map ctrl-B
back to \mathbf{} instead of \boldsymbol{} it would do it for me.
As for the export files bug, so far I have discovered that the export
function sends the files to a subdirectory in the temp folder. I
haven't tried the workaround you mentioned here, though I'm not sure if
I completely understand what you are saying.
As for the keymapping issue. I see that one can map keys to lyx
commands, one of which is something like font-bold. However how do you
change the behavior of the lyx command? Perhaps there is another lyx
command that allows for generic latex macro substitution that could be
keyboard mapped. I will scour the documentation for that. Also I
suspect there is a way to make ctrl-B toggle like it used to, but I'm
not sure how. There wasn't anything in the keyboard mapping
documentation to suggest it.
Thanks,
Matt
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Hello Matthew,
Matthew wrote:
I've been trying to use the candidate release for 1.6. While there
are some
nice new features, like the ability to cut and paste graphics there
are some
changes and perhaps bugs which negatively impact lyx.
My first pet peeve is that the export document command doesn't appear to
generate any output, unless it's doing so in an unknown directory
different
from the directory of the .lyx source. In particular I'm trying to
convert
a lyx 1.6 file back into a 1.5.3 file so that I can run a more 'stable'
version.
Are you using WinXP? If yes, this is a known bug that was detailled in
Uwe's announcement:
!Important note!: Due to a bug in LyX you are first be able to export
documents to e.g. PDF after opening the preferences dialog and
clicking there on the save button.
[...]
My next peeve that I've found is that tab no longer navigates through
the
cells in an eqnarray. I haven't tried it with tables yet, but if it
has the
same behavior there, that would also be bad.
This is being worked on. Hopefully fixed in the next rc.
After these problems I will stop testing 1.6 because I need to
actually get
some work done. Now if I could just convert my document back..
Try the Prefs dialog work around. In general 1.6rc is pretty stable
but that is not a dot zero yet so, unless you know what you are doing,
I suggest to keep using 1.5.x.
Abdel.
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
Matthew Bromberg wrote:
I do like the new features and would love to continue working with
1.60cr2 if there are some workarounds. If there is a way to map
ctrl-B back to \mathbf{} instead of \boldsymbol{} it would do it for me.
There seems motivation to do this. But we have to figure out exactly how.
As for the export files bug, so far I have discovered that the export
function sends the files to a subdirectory in the temp folder. I
haven't tried the workaround you mentioned here, though I'm not sure
if I completely understand what you are saying.
This is a bug connected with the preferences file, which you'll find in
your local LyX directory. Do ToolsPreferences, and then hit OK or Save
or whatever. That should do it.
As for the keymapping issue. I see that one can map keys to lyx
commands, one of which is something like font-bold. However how do
you change the behavior of the lyx command?
You can't really do that. You can just change which command it gets
mapped to. But try this. Map Ctrl-Shift-B to math-insert \mathbf. It
won't toggle, but it doesn't really need to in math. You can just hit
spacebar when you are done with bold, and that will take you out of bold.
I suspect there is a way to make ctrl-B toggle like it used to, but
I'm not sure how.
This is a problem in the source code somewhere.
Richard
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
Hello Matthew, Matthew wrote: I've been trying to use the candidate release for 1.6. While there are some nice new features, like the ability to cut and paste graphics there are some changes and perhaps bugs which negatively impact lyx. My first pet peeve is that the export document command doesn't appear to generate any output, unless it's doing so in an unknown directory different from the directory of the .lyx source. In particular I'm trying to convert a lyx 1.6 file back into a 1.5.3 file so that I can run a more 'stable' version. Are you using WinXP? If yes, this is a known bug that was detailled in Uwe's announcement: !Important note!: Due to a bug in LyX you are first be able to export documents to e.g. PDF after opening the preferences dialog and clicking there on the save button. [...] My next peeve that I've found is that tab no longer navigates through the cells in an eqnarray. I haven't tried it with tables yet, but if it has the same behavior there, that would also be bad. This is being worked on. Hopefully fixed in the next rc. After these problems I will stop testing 1.6 because I need to actually get some work done. Now if I could just convert my document back.. Try the Prefs dialog work around. In general 1.6rc is pretty stable but that is not a dot zero yet so, unless you know what you are doing, I suggest to keep using 1.5.x. Abdel.
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
On 8.09.08, Matthew wrote:
... the export document command doesn't appear to generate any output,
... In particular I'm trying to convert a lyx 1.6 file back into a
1.5.3 file so that I can run a more 'stable' version.
Besides the bug mentionend in another reply: The default settings will
use the extension .lyx15 for the exported file and the file-open
dialogue in LyX-1.5 will not show it, as it expects a .lyx extension.
My next problem is the bold font toggling in math mode. ctrl-B generates a
default \mathsymbol{} command which is wrong wrong wrong!
No, not generally!
A bold math character should almost always be non-italicized. The one
exception may be Greek characters, but only because Latex has issues
with that anyway. The reason is that a bold letter represents a vector
or matrix, which should never be in italic font.
The `International Union of Pure and Applied Physics` (IUPAP) and other
international bodies recommend typsetting math according to International
Standards ISO 31-0:1992 to ISO 31-13:1992 (see also [NIST]_).
The traditional `LaTeX-style` deviates in some points from this rules:
* The ``\vec`` command produces an array accent, while ISO 31 recommends
an italic-bold typeface for vector symbols.
.. [NIST] Typefaces for Symbols in Scientific Manuscripts:
http://physics.nist.gov/Document/typefaces.pdf
-- http://pylit.berlios.de/examples/isomath.sty.html
Günter
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
G. Milde wrote: Besides the bug mentionend in another reply: The default settings will use the extension .lyx15 for the exported file and the file-open dialogue in LyX-1.5 will not show it, as it expects a .lyx extension. At least here on the Mac LyX-1.5.6 DOES show the .lyx15-files. /Konrad
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
On 9.09.08, Konrad Hofbauer wrote: G. Milde wrote: Besides the bug mentionend in another reply: The default settings will use the extension .lyx15 for the exported file and the file-open dialogue in LyX-1.5 will not show it, as it expects a .lyx extension. At least here on the Mac LyX-1.5.6 DOES show the .lyx15-files. Here at Debian Linux; LyX 1.5.6 the file-open dialogue does * NOT show *.lyx15 with the default filter setting LyX files (*.lyx), * show them (of course) with All files (*). But in the second case also all sort of irrelevant files are shown. I solved this (partially) with changing the settings under ToolsPreferencesFile HandlingFile formats Format: Lyx 1.5 Extension from lyx15 to 15.lyx. Günter
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
On 09.09.2008, at 11:25, G. Milde wrote: On 9.09.08, Konrad Hofbauer wrote: G. Milde wrote: Besides the bug mentionend in another reply: The default settings will use the extension .lyx15 for the exported file and the file-open dialogue in LyX-1.5 will not show it, as it expects a .lyx extension. At least here on the Mac LyX-1.5.6 DOES show the .lyx15-files. Here at Debian Linux; LyX 1.5.6 the file-open dialogue does * NOT show *.lyx15 with the default filter setting LyX files (*.lyx), IMHO it should be configurable via a preferences setting that a new LyX version uses by default the file format of the previous one, still named with the extension .lyx. (MS Word has such an option, which is quite useful.) Of course, using the old file format may imply that some new features are not available or do not become permanent in the saved file. Nevertheless, it would be of tremendous help to restrict newer LyX versions to the older format -- especially during transition times (e.g., while trying out release candidates or when not all co-authors have already updated to the newest version.) Daniel
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
James Sutherland wrote: My next peeve that I've found is that tab no longer navigates through the cells in an eqnarray. I haven't tried it with tables yet, but if it has the same behavior there, that would also be bad. I agree with this. The tab key has been taken over by the (VERY NICE) word completion system. I suppose that if enough people vote on this issue, we may succeed in convincing the developers to use a different approach to word completion (like emacs-style Esc-/). This is a known issue, and there has been a lot of work on it in the last few days. Exactly what will end up happening isn't clear yet. Richard
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
Daniel Lohmann wrote: On 09.09.2008, at 11:25, G. Milde wrote: On 9.09.08, Konrad Hofbauer wrote: G. Milde wrote: Besides the bug mentionend in another reply: The default settings will use the extension .lyx15 for the exported file and the file-open dialogue in LyX-1.5 will not show it, as it expects a .lyx extension. At least here on the Mac LyX-1.5.6 DOES show the .lyx15-files. Here at Debian Linux; LyX 1.5.6 the file-open dialogue does * NOT show *.lyx15 with the default filter setting LyX files (*.lyx), IMHO it should be configurable via a preferences setting that a new LyX version uses by default the file format of the previous one, still named with the extension .lyx. (MS Word has such an option, which is quite useful.) Of course, using the old file format may imply that some new features are not available or do not become permanent in the saved file. Nevertheless, it would be of tremendous help to restrict newer LyX versions to the older format -- especially during transition times (e.g., while trying out release candidates or when not all co-authors have already updated to the newest version.) Feel free to file an enhancement bug about this. Whether anyone would implement it, I don't know. Part of the difficulty is that writing old versions is done in a very different way from writing new versions. The core LyX sources only know about the current version. The conversion is done with a python program called lyx2lyx which can, by the way, be called from outside LyX. Richard rh
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
I do like the new features and would love to continue working with
1.60cr2 if there are some workarounds. If there is a way to map ctrl-B
back to \mathbf{} instead of \boldsymbol{} it would do it for me.
As for the export files bug, so far I have discovered that the export
function sends the files to a subdirectory in the temp folder. I
haven't tried the workaround you mentioned here, though I'm not sure if
I completely understand what you are saying.
As for the keymapping issue. I see that one can map keys to lyx
commands, one of which is something like font-bold. However how do you
change the behavior of the lyx command? Perhaps there is another lyx
command that allows for generic latex macro substitution that could be
keyboard mapped. I will scour the documentation for that. Also I
suspect there is a way to make ctrl-B toggle like it used to, but I'm
not sure how. There wasn't anything in the keyboard mapping
documentation to suggest it.
Thanks,
Matt
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Hello Matthew,
Matthew wrote:
I've been trying to use the candidate release for 1.6. While there
are some
nice new features, like the ability to cut and paste graphics there
are some
changes and perhaps bugs which negatively impact lyx.
My first pet peeve is that the export document command doesn't appear to
generate any output, unless it's doing so in an unknown directory
different
from the directory of the .lyx source. In particular I'm trying to
convert
a lyx 1.6 file back into a 1.5.3 file so that I can run a more 'stable'
version.
Are you using WinXP? If yes, this is a known bug that was detailled in
Uwe's announcement:
!Important note!: Due to a bug in LyX you are first be able to export
documents to e.g. PDF after opening the preferences dialog and
clicking there on the save button.
[...]
My next peeve that I've found is that tab no longer navigates through
the
cells in an eqnarray. I haven't tried it with tables yet, but if it
has the
same behavior there, that would also be bad.
This is being worked on. Hopefully fixed in the next rc.
After these problems I will stop testing 1.6 because I need to
actually get
some work done. Now if I could just convert my document back..
Try the Prefs dialog work around. In general 1.6rc is pretty stable
but that is not a dot zero yet so, unless you know what you are doing,
I suggest to keep using 1.5.x.
Abdel.
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
Matthew Bromberg wrote:
I do like the new features and would love to continue working with
1.60cr2 if there are some workarounds. If there is a way to map
ctrl-B back to \mathbf{} instead of \boldsymbol{} it would do it for me.
There seems motivation to do this. But we have to figure out exactly how.
As for the export files bug, so far I have discovered that the export
function sends the files to a subdirectory in the temp folder. I
haven't tried the workaround you mentioned here, though I'm not sure
if I completely understand what you are saying.
This is a bug connected with the preferences file, which you'll find in
your local LyX directory. Do ToolsPreferences, and then hit OK or Save
or whatever. That should do it.
As for the keymapping issue. I see that one can map keys to lyx
commands, one of which is something like font-bold. However how do
you change the behavior of the lyx command?
You can't really do that. You can just change which command it gets
mapped to. But try this. Map Ctrl-Shift-B to math-insert \mathbf. It
won't toggle, but it doesn't really need to in math. You can just hit
spacebar when you are done with bold, and that will take you out of bold.
I suspect there is a way to make ctrl-B toggle like it used to, but
I'm not sure how.
This is a problem in the source code somewhere.
Richard
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
Hello Matthew, Matthew wrote: I've been trying to use the candidate release for 1.6. While there are some nice new features, like the ability to cut and paste graphics there are some changes and perhaps bugs which negatively impact lyx. My first pet peeve is that the export document command doesn't appear to generate any output, unless it's doing so in an unknown directory different from the directory of the .lyx source. In particular I'm trying to convert a lyx 1.6 file back into a 1.5.3 file so that I can run a more 'stable' version. Are you using WinXP? If yes, this is a known bug that was detailled in Uwe's announcement: !Important note!: Due to a bug in LyX you are first be able to export documents to e.g. PDF after opening the preferences dialog and clicking there on the save button. [...] My next peeve that I've found is that tab no longer navigates through the cells in an eqnarray. I haven't tried it with tables yet, but if it has the same behavior there, that would also be bad. This is being worked on. Hopefully fixed in the next rc. After these problems I will stop testing 1.6 because I need to actually get some work done. Now if I could just convert my document back.. Try the Prefs dialog work around. In general 1.6rc is pretty stable but that is not a dot zero yet so, unless you know what you are doing, I suggest to keep using 1.5.x. Abdel.
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
On 8.09.08, Matthew wrote:
> ... the export document command doesn't appear to generate any output,
> ... In particular I'm trying to convert a lyx 1.6 file back into a
> 1.5.3 file so that I can run a more 'stable' version.
Besides the bug mentionend in another reply: The default settings will
use the extension ".lyx15" for the exported file and the file-open
dialogue in LyX-1.5 will not show it, as it expects a ".lyx" extension.
> My next problem is the bold font toggling in math mode. ctrl-B generates a
> default \mathsymbol{} command which is wrong wrong wrong!
No, not generally!
> A bold math character should almost always be non-italicized. The one
> exception may be Greek characters, but only because Latex has issues
> with that anyway. The reason is that a bold letter represents a vector
> or matrix, which should never be in italic font.
The `International Union of Pure and Applied Physics` (IUPAP) and other
international bodies recommend typsetting math according to International
Standards ISO 31-0:1992 to ISO 31-13:1992 (see also [NIST]_).
The traditional `LaTeX-style` deviates in some points from this rules:
* The ``\vec`` command produces an array accent, while ISO 31 recommends
an italic-bold typeface for vector symbols.
.. [NIST] Typefaces for Symbols in Scientific Manuscripts:
http://physics.nist.gov/Document/typefaces.pdf
-- http://pylit.berlios.de/examples/isomath.sty.html
Günter
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
G. Milde wrote: Besides the bug mentionend in another reply: The default settings will use the extension ".lyx15" for the exported file and the file-open dialogue in LyX-1.5 will not show it, as it expects a ".lyx" extension. At least here on the Mac LyX-1.5.6 DOES show the .lyx15-files. /Konrad
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
On 9.09.08, Konrad Hofbauer wrote: > G. Milde wrote: >> Besides the bug mentionend in another reply: The default settings will >> use the extension ".lyx15" for the exported file and the file-open >> dialogue in LyX-1.5 will not show it, as it expects a ".lyx" extension. > At least here on the Mac LyX-1.5.6 DOES show the .lyx15-files. Here at Debian Linux; LyX 1.5.6 the file-open dialogue does * NOT show *.lyx15 with the default filter setting "LyX files (*.lyx)", * show them (of course) with "All files (*)". But in the second case also all sort of irrelevant files are shown. I solved this (partially) with changing the settings under Tools>Preferences>File Handling>File formats> Format: Lyx 1.5 > Extension from lyx15 to 15.lyx. Günter
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
On 09.09.2008, at 11:25, G. Milde wrote: On 9.09.08, Konrad Hofbauer wrote: G. Milde wrote: Besides the bug mentionend in another reply: The default settings will use the extension ".lyx15" for the exported file and the file-open dialogue in LyX-1.5 will not show it, as it expects a ".lyx" extension. At least here on the Mac LyX-1.5.6 DOES show the .lyx15-files. Here at Debian Linux; LyX 1.5.6 the file-open dialogue does * NOT show *.lyx15 with the default filter setting "LyX files (*.lyx)", IMHO it should be configurable via a preferences setting that a new LyX version uses by default the file format of the previous one, still named with the extension .lyx. (MS Word has such an option, which is quite useful.) Of course, using the old file format may imply that some new features are not available or do not become permanent in the saved file. Nevertheless, it would be of tremendous help to restrict newer LyX versions to the older format -- especially during transition times (e.g., while trying out release candidates or when not all co-authors have already updated to the newest version.) Daniel
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
James Sutherland wrote: My next peeve that I've found is that tab no longer navigates through the cells in an eqnarray. I haven't tried it with tables yet, but if it has the same behavior there, that would also be bad. I agree with this. The tab key has been taken over by the (VERY NICE) word completion system. I suppose that if enough people vote on this issue, we may succeed in convincing the developers to use a different approach to word completion (like emacs-style Esc-/). This is a known issue, and there has been a lot of work on it in the last few days. Exactly what will end up happening isn't clear yet. Richard
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
Daniel Lohmann wrote: On 09.09.2008, at 11:25, G. Milde wrote: On 9.09.08, Konrad Hofbauer wrote: G. Milde wrote: Besides the bug mentionend in another reply: The default settings will use the extension ".lyx15" for the exported file and the file-open dialogue in LyX-1.5 will not show it, as it expects a ".lyx" extension. At least here on the Mac LyX-1.5.6 DOES show the .lyx15-files. Here at Debian Linux; LyX 1.5.6 the file-open dialogue does * NOT show *.lyx15 with the default filter setting "LyX files (*.lyx)", IMHO it should be configurable via a preferences setting that a new LyX version uses by default the file format of the previous one, still named with the extension .lyx. (MS Word has such an option, which is quite useful.) Of course, using the old file format may imply that some new features are not available or do not become permanent in the saved file. Nevertheless, it would be of tremendous help to restrict newer LyX versions to the older format -- especially during transition times (e.g., while trying out release candidates or when not all co-authors have already updated to the newest version.) Feel free to file an enhancement bug about this. Whether anyone would implement it, I don't know. Part of the difficulty is that writing old versions is done in a very different way from writing new versions. The core LyX sources only know about the current version. The conversion is done with a python program called lyx2lyx which can, by the way, be called from outside LyX. Richard rh
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
I do like the new features and would love to continue working with
1.60cr2 if there are some workarounds. If there is a way to map ctrl-B
back to \mathbf{} instead of \boldsymbol{} it would do it for me.
As for the export files bug, so far I have discovered that the export
function sends the files to a subdirectory in the temp folder. I
haven't tried the workaround you mentioned here, though I'm not sure if
I completely understand what you are saying.
As for the keymapping issue. I see that one can map keys to lyx
commands, one of which is something like font-bold. However how do you
change the behavior of the lyx command? Perhaps there is another lyx
command that allows for generic latex macro substitution that could be
keyboard mapped. I will scour the documentation for that. Also I
suspect there is a way to make ctrl-B toggle like it used to, but I'm
not sure how. There wasn't anything in the keyboard mapping
documentation to suggest it.
Thanks,
Matt
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Hello Matthew,
Matthew wrote:
I've been trying to use the candidate release for 1.6. While there
are some
nice new features, like the ability to cut and paste graphics there
are some
changes and perhaps bugs which negatively impact lyx.
My first pet peeve is that the export document command doesn't appear to
generate any output, unless it's doing so in an unknown directory
different
from the directory of the .lyx source. In particular I'm trying to
convert
a lyx 1.6 file back into a 1.5.3 file so that I can run a more 'stable'
version.
Are you using WinXP? If yes, this is a known bug that was detailled in
Uwe's announcement:
!Important note!: Due to a bug in LyX you are first be able to export
documents to e.g. PDF after opening the preferences dialog and
clicking there on the save button.
[...]
My next peeve that I've found is that tab no longer navigates through
the
cells in an eqnarray. I haven't tried it with tables yet, but if it
has the
same behavior there, that would also be bad.
This is being worked on. Hopefully fixed in the next rc.
After these problems I will stop testing 1.6 because I need to
actually get
some work done. Now if I could just convert my document back..
Try the Prefs dialog work around. In general 1.6rc is pretty stable
but that is not a dot zero yet so, unless you know what you are doing,
I suggest to keep using 1.5.x.
Abdel.
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
Matthew Bromberg wrote:
I do like the new features and would love to continue working with
1.60cr2 if there are some workarounds. If there is a way to map
ctrl-B back to \mathbf{} instead of \boldsymbol{} it would do it for me.
There seems motivation to do this. But we have to figure out exactly how.
As for the export files bug, so far I have discovered that the export
function sends the files to a subdirectory in the temp folder. I
haven't tried the workaround you mentioned here, though I'm not sure
if I completely understand what you are saying.
This is a bug connected with the preferences file, which you'll find in
your local LyX directory. Do Tools>Preferences, and then hit OK or Save
or whatever. That should do it.
As for the keymapping issue. I see that one can map keys to lyx
commands, one of which is something like font-bold. However how do
you change the behavior of the lyx command?
You can't really do that. You can just change which command it gets
mapped to. But try this. Map Ctrl-Shift-B to "math-insert \mathbf". It
won't toggle, but it doesn't really need to in math. You can just hit
spacebar when you are done with bold, and that will take you out of bold.
I suspect there is a way to make ctrl-B toggle like it used to, but
I'm not sure how.
This is a problem in the source code somewhere.
Richard
lyx 1.60cr2 issues
I've been trying to use the candidate release for 1.6. While there are some
nice new features, like the ability to cut and paste graphics there are some
changes and perhaps bugs which negatively impact lyx.
My first pet peeve is that the export document command doesn't appear to
generate any output, unless it's doing so in an unknown directory different
from the directory of the .lyx source. In particular I'm trying to convert
a lyx 1.6 file back into a 1.5.3 file so that I can run a more 'stable'
version.
My next problem is the bold font toggling in math mode. ctrl-B generates a
default \mathsymbol{} command which is wrong wrong wrong! A bold math
character should almost always be non-italicized. The one exception may be
Greek characters, but only because Latex has issues with that anyway. The
reason is that a bold letter represents a vector or matrix, which should
never be in italic font. Instead the old behavior of using \mathbf{} is
probably the correct one. I am also annoyed by the 'feature' that ctrl-B
no longer toggles bold on and off. How do I undo a bold or revert back to
normal font? I need to be able to toggle back and forth with one keystroke
or I literally don't want anything to do with the program. It's just too
inefficient for maths that contain vectors or matrices.
My next peeve that I've found is that tab no longer navigates through the
cells in an eqnarray. I haven't tried it with tables yet, but if it has the
same behavior there, that would also be bad.
After these problems I will stop testing 1.6 because I need to actually get
some work done. Now if I could just convert my document back..
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Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
My first pet peeve is that the export document command doesn't
appear to
generate any output, unless it's doing so in an unknown directory
different
from the directory of the .lyx source. In particular I'm trying to
convert
a lyx 1.6 file back into a 1.5.3 file so that I can run a more
'stable'
version.
I have seen no problems on exporting. The exported files (in whatever
format you choose) show up as normal in the same directory as the
original LyX file. I just tried exporting to a 1.5x format and that
worked fine too. Can you export to other file formats (e.g. PDF)?
My next problem is the bold font toggling in math mode. ctrl-B
generates a
default \mathsymbol{} command which is wrong wrong wrong! A bold math
character should almost always be non-italicized. The one exception
may be
Greek characters, but only because Latex has issues with that
anyway. The
reason is that a bold letter represents a vector or matrix, which
should
never be in italic font. Instead the old behavior of using
\mathbf{} is
probably the correct one. I am also annoyed by the 'feature' that
ctrl-B
no longer toggles bold on and off. How do I undo a bold or revert
back to
normal font? I need to be able to toggle back and forth with one
keystroke
or I literally don't want anything to do with the program. It's
just too
inefficient for maths that contain vectors or matrices.
You can customize this in your math bind file. The location of this
file is system-dependent. On the mac, it is inside the LyX package
folder.
My next peeve that I've found is that tab no longer navigates
through the
cells in an eqnarray. I haven't tried it with tables yet, but if it
has the
same behavior there, that would also be bad.
I agree with this. The tab key has been taken over by the (VERY NICE)
word completion system. I suppose that if enough people vote on this
issue, we may succeed in convincing the developers to use a different
approach to word completion (like emacs-style Esc-/)
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
My next problem is the bold font toggling in math mode. ctrl-B
generates a
default \mathsymbol{} command which is wrong wrong wrong! A bold math
character should almost always be non-italicized. The one exception
may be
Greek characters, but only because Latex has issues with that
anyway. The
reason is that a bold letter represents a vector or matrix, which
should
never be in italic font. Instead the old behavior of using
\mathbf{} is
probably the correct one.
One other thing: it isn't clear to me if the default should be
\mathbf{} or \boldsymbol{}, since either one may be appropriate
depending on the context. You can bind either to ctrl-b.
lyx 1.60cr2 issues
I've been trying to use the candidate release for 1.6. While there are some
nice new features, like the ability to cut and paste graphics there are some
changes and perhaps bugs which negatively impact lyx.
My first pet peeve is that the export document command doesn't appear to
generate any output, unless it's doing so in an unknown directory different
from the directory of the .lyx source. In particular I'm trying to convert
a lyx 1.6 file back into a 1.5.3 file so that I can run a more 'stable'
version.
My next problem is the bold font toggling in math mode. ctrl-B generates a
default \mathsymbol{} command which is wrong wrong wrong! A bold math
character should almost always be non-italicized. The one exception may be
Greek characters, but only because Latex has issues with that anyway. The
reason is that a bold letter represents a vector or matrix, which should
never be in italic font. Instead the old behavior of using \mathbf{} is
probably the correct one. I am also annoyed by the 'feature' that ctrl-B
no longer toggles bold on and off. How do I undo a bold or revert back to
normal font? I need to be able to toggle back and forth with one keystroke
or I literally don't want anything to do with the program. It's just too
inefficient for maths that contain vectors or matrices.
My next peeve that I've found is that tab no longer navigates through the
cells in an eqnarray. I haven't tried it with tables yet, but if it has the
same behavior there, that would also be bad.
After these problems I will stop testing 1.6 because I need to actually get
some work done. Now if I could just convert my document back..
--
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Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
My first pet peeve is that the export document command doesn't
appear to
generate any output, unless it's doing so in an unknown directory
different
from the directory of the .lyx source. In particular I'm trying to
convert
a lyx 1.6 file back into a 1.5.3 file so that I can run a more
'stable'
version.
I have seen no problems on exporting. The exported files (in whatever
format you choose) show up as normal in the same directory as the
original LyX file. I just tried exporting to a 1.5x format and that
worked fine too. Can you export to other file formats (e.g. PDF)?
My next problem is the bold font toggling in math mode. ctrl-B
generates a
default \mathsymbol{} command which is wrong wrong wrong! A bold math
character should almost always be non-italicized. The one exception
may be
Greek characters, but only because Latex has issues with that
anyway. The
reason is that a bold letter represents a vector or matrix, which
should
never be in italic font. Instead the old behavior of using
\mathbf{} is
probably the correct one. I am also annoyed by the 'feature' that
ctrl-B
no longer toggles bold on and off. How do I undo a bold or revert
back to
normal font? I need to be able to toggle back and forth with one
keystroke
or I literally don't want anything to do with the program. It's
just too
inefficient for maths that contain vectors or matrices.
You can customize this in your math bind file. The location of this
file is system-dependent. On the mac, it is inside the LyX package
folder.
My next peeve that I've found is that tab no longer navigates
through the
cells in an eqnarray. I haven't tried it with tables yet, but if it
has the
same behavior there, that would also be bad.
I agree with this. The tab key has been taken over by the (VERY NICE)
word completion system. I suppose that if enough people vote on this
issue, we may succeed in convincing the developers to use a different
approach to word completion (like emacs-style Esc-/)
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
My next problem is the bold font toggling in math mode. ctrl-B
generates a
default \mathsymbol{} command which is wrong wrong wrong! A bold math
character should almost always be non-italicized. The one exception
may be
Greek characters, but only because Latex has issues with that
anyway. The
reason is that a bold letter represents a vector or matrix, which
should
never be in italic font. Instead the old behavior of using
\mathbf{} is
probably the correct one.
One other thing: it isn't clear to me if the default should be
\mathbf{} or \boldsymbol{}, since either one may be appropriate
depending on the context. You can bind either to ctrl-b.
lyx 1.60cr2 issues
I've been trying to use the candidate release for 1.6. While there are some
nice new features, like the ability to cut and paste graphics there are some
changes and perhaps bugs which negatively impact lyx.
My first pet peeve is that the export document command doesn't appear to
generate any output, unless it's doing so in an unknown directory different
from the directory of the .lyx source. In particular I'm trying to convert
a lyx 1.6 file back into a 1.5.3 file so that I can run a more 'stable'
version.
My next problem is the bold font toggling in math mode. ctrl-B generates a
default \mathsymbol{} command which is wrong wrong wrong! A bold math
character should almost always be non-italicized. The one exception may be
Greek characters, but only because Latex has issues with that anyway. The
reason is that a bold letter represents a vector or matrix, which should
never be in italic font. Instead the old behavior of using \mathbf{} is
probably the correct one. I am also annoyed by the 'feature' that ctrl-B
no longer toggles bold on and off. How do I undo a bold or revert back to
normal font? I need to be able to toggle back and forth with one keystroke
or I literally don't want anything to do with the program. It's just too
inefficient for maths that contain vectors or matrices.
My next peeve that I've found is that tab no longer navigates through the
cells in an eqnarray. I haven't tried it with tables yet, but if it has the
same behavior there, that would also be bad.
After these problems I will stop testing 1.6 because I need to actually get
some work done. Now if I could just convert my document back..
--
View this message in context:
http://n2.nabble.com/lyx-1.60cr2-issues-tp1076619p1076619.html
Sent from the LyX - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
My first pet peeve is that the export document command doesn't
appear to
generate any output, unless it's doing so in an unknown directory
different
from the directory of the .lyx source. In particular I'm trying to
convert
a lyx 1.6 file back into a 1.5.3 file so that I can run a more
'stable'
version.
I have seen no problems on exporting. The exported files (in whatever
format you choose) show up as normal in the same directory as the
original LyX file. I just tried exporting to a 1.5x format and that
worked fine too. Can you export to other file formats (e.g. PDF)?
My next problem is the bold font toggling in math mode. ctrl-B
generates a
default \mathsymbol{} command which is wrong wrong wrong! A bold math
character should almost always be non-italicized. The one exception
may be
Greek characters, but only because Latex has issues with that
anyway. The
reason is that a bold letter represents a vector or matrix, which
should
never be in italic font. Instead the old behavior of using
\mathbf{} is
probably the correct one. I am also annoyed by the 'feature' that
ctrl-B
no longer toggles bold on and off. How do I undo a bold or revert
back to
normal font? I need to be able to toggle back and forth with one
keystroke
or I literally don't want anything to do with the program. It's
just too
inefficient for maths that contain vectors or matrices.
You can customize this in your math bind file. The location of this
file is system-dependent. On the mac, it is inside the LyX package
folder.
My next peeve that I've found is that tab no longer navigates
through the
cells in an eqnarray. I haven't tried it with tables yet, but if it
has the
same behavior there, that would also be bad.
I agree with this. The tab key has been taken over by the (VERY NICE)
word completion system. I suppose that if enough people vote on this
issue, we may succeed in convincing the developers to use a different
approach to word completion (like emacs-style Esc-/)
Re: lyx 1.60cr2 issues
My next problem is the bold font toggling in math mode. ctrl-B
generates a
default \mathsymbol{} command which is wrong wrong wrong! A bold math
character should almost always be non-italicized. The one exception
may be
Greek characters, but only because Latex has issues with that
anyway. The
reason is that a bold letter represents a vector or matrix, which
should
never be in italic font. Instead the old behavior of using
\mathbf{} is
probably the correct one.
One other thing: it isn't clear to me if the default should be
\mathbf{} or \boldsymbol{}, since either one may be appropriate
depending on the context. You can bind either to ctrl-b.
